> No, I called it a few months ago. :-)
>
> Sorry.

G'day Sacha,  I must have missed that call ;)  So I guess FPP playing
QTVR adds some extra nails to the coffin?

Aaron.

For legacy content I would say so.

Its an amazing time, not to have to worry about plugins any more or even
detection scripts.



Except for the spiv viewer, which can do some interesting things too that
flash can't do, you can forget about the rest.

Sacha Griffin
Southern Digital Solutions LLC - Atlanta, Georgia
www.southern-digital.com
www.seeit360.net
www.ezphotosafe.com
404-551-4275
404-731-7798

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Behalf Of Aaron Spence
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 2:51 AM
To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Re: QTVR Player Dead?



> No, I called it a few months ago. :-)
>
> Sorry.

G'day Sacha, I must have missed that call ;) So I guess FPP playing
QTVR adds some extra nails to the coffin?

Aaron.





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Well, it always crashes Safari on my Mac, so not "pefectly".

Safari 2.0.4, OSX 10.4.10, dual G4 with 2 GB RAM.



--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Spence" <aaron@...> wrote:
>
> Can I be the first to declare Quicktime, as a QTVR player, dead?
>
> http://flashpanoramas.com/blog/
>
> Dennis now has his Flash Panorama Player (FPP) natively playing
> QTVR.mov's with preview tiles etc working perfectly. The user does not
> require Quicktime on their system, only flash 9. I haven't used
> Quicktime for a while, but now we can play QTVR .mov's back via FPP
> what need is there for the QTVR playback engine of Quicktime?
>
> Let's not forget the really good 'tour' functionality Dennis has built
> into FPP as well.  Kills Quicktime in the QTVR arena.
>
> Amazing stuff, you can check out a demo on the blog, with the latest
> player (2.2) out next week.
>
> Aaron.
> www.pano.com.au
>

With all attempts to kill QT you have to consider that is still the
best software which works on WIN  and MACOS
Deval is only WIN ;(

Willy

On Oct 1, 2007, at 8:48, Aaron Spence wrote:

> Hmmm... I should point out that Fieros brilliant DevalVR
> http://devalvr.com/ (The best VR player there is IMHO, with its 250kb
> size and silky smooth hardware acceleration) has been able to play
> QTVR.mov's for a long time.
>
> In fact on my Vista64 system (and the XP64 system before that) I use
> DevalVR to play back QTVR as Quicktime can't do it.
> (Special DevalVR version set up as the default player for .mov's)
>
> But, FPP 2.2 is special 'cause it has the installed user base of Flash
> + the ability to play QTVR's. No hardware acceleration, but we can't
> have everything.
>
> Aaron.
>
>
>



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I am just setting out to make a wooden
pano head for my Canon a630.

Along these lines:

http://www.worth1000.com/tutorial.asp?sid=161123

I understand about the nodal point, and
needing to rotate about it.

But HOW precise do I need to be in
evaluating and building the nodal
point?

1/2 a mm?
1 mm?
5 mm?

     BugBear

Hello members of this group.
Let me introduce myself. I'm by origine a Dutch photographer and will
stay so. Since some time now we live in Hungary starting a new life
and also starting up a new business-life. Making images with a 20
meter tall mast is addictive and will be also our main goal here.
Since not to long we also make pano's with the mast.
Using PTQui Pro for the stitch and transfering them into QuickTime.
Also we have the programm Pleinpot and so we cann also make them
fullpage, but...... how the H do we publish those full pages?
Since photography came into my life, and that's about 40 years ago, I
had to learn and adapt...and now digital is not even any problem
anymore, but this publishing is still a thing that keeps me awake.
Have a look at my website and see some of the examples if you want but
please, do help me a little, please?

The website is  www.hansio.com

Thanks for any critics and support......
Hans from Hungary.

I am looking for a one shot pano camera setup
cubic or 360x360
can yous help?
I am a first time user (with real pano hardware)

On Monday, October 01, 2007 at 10:10, paul womack wrote:

> But HOW precise do I need to be in
> evaluating and building the nodal
> point?
>
> 1/2 a mm?
> 1 mm?
> 5 mm?

As always: It depends. If you have structures in the near forground
it should be more precise than if you shoot in wide open places. For
general use I'd say 3mm precision is enough. However, if you use a
fisheye lens the no-parallax-point moves anyway:
http://tinyurl.com/94g7c (scroll down to Results and look at the
Graph)

Apologies that I didn't write the wiki article I proposed more than
one year ago about how to calculate the possible error. Perhaps I
should do it right now...

best regards
--
http://www.erik-krause.de

Erik Krause wrote:
> On Monday, October 01, 2007 at 10:10, paul womack wrote:
>
>> But HOW precise do I need to be in
>> evaluating and building the nodal
>> point?
>>
>> 1/2 a mm?
>> 1 mm?
>> 5 mm?
>
> As always: It depends. If you have structures in the near forground
> it should be more precise than if you shoot in wide open places. For
> general use I'd say 3mm precision is enough. However, if you use a
> fisheye lens the no-parallax-point moves anyway:
> http://tinyurl.com/94g7c (scroll down to Results and look at the
> Graph)

My widest lens (wide end of zoom) is 41 mm

    BugBear

Hi Hans,

> Also we have the programm Pleinpot and so we cann also make them
> fullpage, but...... how the H do we publish those full pages?

Pleinpot will export (almost) everything you need.
Once you have setup the pages in the preferences lets say  for qt, devalVR
and spi-v.
You then import yourmovie.mov
adjust your settings and enter your captions and export.
The directory created will give you:
A folder dswmedia
A folder media
yourmovie.html  (for quicktime)
yourmovie_Dv.html  (for DevalVR)
yourmovie_SPi.html  (for SPi-V )

You then have to add the equirectangular yourmovie.jpg and SPi-V.dcr files
into the dswmedia folder manually.
Thats all you have to do to publish. Transfer the directory to your ftp
server and keep this stucture as is.
The media folder contains all the scripts and media files.
Now just hyperlink to your pages and a a new browser window or tab will
come up for each page you link to.

Cheers, Milko





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Skype me @ vrdundee
Member of IVRPA.org
Contributor to the World Wide Panorama Project

Hi Tom,

On 10/1/07, tom_a_sparks <tom_a_sparks@...> wrote:
>
> I am looking for a one shot pano camera setup
>  cubic or 360x360


No such animal for 360x360 except for Agno's MrotatorR
http://www.agnos.com/prodotti.htm?v_lingua=ENG&v_iss_web=00000000071001150543094\
02847&v_categ_lista=P0000-P0005-P0509
that I'm aware.

Hope this helps,
Robert~

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But all Macs have QT< right? So, with DevalVR as a plugin to view QTs on
PCs one can put only QTs on the site - or at least this is the way I
thought it should be, in this case (please, correct me if I´m wrong).
Regards,
Rodolpho Pajuaba

panokaemena@... escreveu:
> With all attempts to kill QT you have to consider that is still the
> best software which works on WIN  and MACOS
> Deval is only WIN ;(
>
> Willy
>
>
>


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On Monday, October 01, 2007 at 13:21, paul womack wrote:

> > As always: It depends. If you have structures in the near forground
> > it should be more precise than if you shoot in wide open places. For
> > general use I'd say 3mm precision is enough. However, if you use a
> > fisheye lens the no-parallax-point moves anyway:
> > http://tinyurl.com/94g7c (scroll down to Results and look at the
> > Graph)
>
> My widest lens (wide end of zoom) is 41 mm

And which angle do you intend to rotate between shots? Meanwhile I've
added the formula to http://wiki.panotools.org/Parallax
Some more info and a neat diagram (someone volunteer?) is still
missing, but may be it helps...

best regards

--
http://www.erik-krause.de

Daniel,
I live in Seattle but I am in Victoria for work all the time, (I work
on one of the ferries that services downtown Victoria).  I would love
to attend/meet other panographers in our area.  Let me know when and
where.
Jim

Anyone has any exprience in printing panoramic images in very good quality
somewhere? Something like you can see in galleries... I want to let someone do
ths for me rather than buy the whole equipment and start test&errors.

Size? As big as possible... 60x20 or even bigger.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance


      
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Have you tried "Sign Shops" in your area.

The one I use does an excellent job and uses high-end color calibration
software.

They tend to be cheaper than labs while my supplier uses an Epson there are
many machines like the "roland" devices that can do an amazing job.

IMHO the higher end wide formats from "roland" printers are the best and use
UV inks that are even waterproof as well as sunlight safe.



Kevin





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Behalf Of Michael Asgian
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 2:01 PM
To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Panorama Printing Services?



Anyone has any exprience in printing panoramic images in very good quality
somewhere? Something like you can see in galleries... I want to let someone
do ths for me rather than buy the whole equipment and start test&errors.

Size? As big as possible... 60x20 or even bigger.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance

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Rodolpho Pajuaba-2 wrote:
>
> But all Macs have QT< right? So, with DevalVR as a plugin to view QTs on
> PCs one can put only QTs on the site - or at least this is the way I
> thought it should be, in this case (please, correct me if I´m wrong).
> Regards,
> Rodolpho Pajuaba
>

DevalVR also provides great javascript, to check the available plugin on a
browser and serve up the pano in that format. One of the great assets of
Fiero's detectvr.js is that you can also set the max display size and limits
to aspect ratio, so that your carefully prepared panorama does not look
distorted on those new jumbo widescreen LCDs.

Carel

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--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, paul womack <pwomack@...> wrote:
>
> I am just setting out to make a wooden
> pano head for my Canon a630.

[snip]

> But HOW precise do I need to be in
> evaluating and building the nodal
> point?
>
> 1/2 a mm?
> 1 mm?
> 5 mm?

The actual precision needed will depend on the angular field of view
of your lens, how far you rotate the camera between adjacent shots,
how close to the no-parallax point the objects in the field of view
approach, especially at the seams, and in general the amount of
parallax mismatch you can tolerate in your panorama.  For landscapes
and even for most indoor shots, 5 mm would be accurate enough.  For
tabletop setups and the like where the subject approaches very close,
you might need greater accuracy than that.

Alan Ball
scoundrel1728

This is entirely possible.

I built a wooden panorama head a few years ago as a "prototype," but
never got around to the next step of refinement.  Other than being
rather larger and heavier than I'd like, it works fine!  :)

Since I thought I might be using different lenses or cameras (and
because I expected that my "first cut" would not be perfect), I
included fore and aft + left/right adjustment capability by including
a couple of "Manfrotto 3273 Quick Release Adapter with 2372 Plate"s
installed at right angles between the camera attachment point and the
rotating base.  The 3273/3272 pair seems to be priced about $45.00-
50.00 (US).

[And GOOD LUCK finding the product on the Impossibly Awful To Use
Manfrotto site.  Good Grief!!]

If you don't mind re-creating your pano head several times ("OK, now
drill the hole 1/64 inch *lower* this time"), then you don't need
that stuff.

Also, my camera is attached by way of a Quick Release Clamp, which
allows some vertical adjustment.

If you're using only a single camera and lens, you in theory could
get away without using such things.  You might have to make several
versions before you decided that your positioning was good enough.


A very useful tool in all this:  a self-leveling Laser plumb/level
thingy!

It is easy to pay far too much for such a thing.  Hunt around during
the "holiday/Father's Day sales" times and see what you can find.
Mine cost about $35.00 (US).  The principle is astonishingly
simple...  A horizontal and/or vertical laser line is projected from
an emitter that is DANGLING from an attachment inside the unit.
Dangle means pendulum means... GRAVITY is running the show.  What a
deal... thank you Mr. Newton.


ASSUMING that the little tiny laser emitter was correctly calibrated/
oriented during manufacture, it will project a *very* accurate
horizontal or vertical line.  Get out your string-and-weight plumb
bob or 6 foot (2 metre) construction level and challenge the results.

What this is useful for:  Adjusting or Confirming that the center of
the lens is aligned with the vertical rotation axis (yaw) of the pano
head.  Similarly, that the center of the lens is aligned with the
*horizontal* rotation axis (pitch) of the pano head.

That is:  you can project a laser line against your pano head, and
pretty easily see how close the pivot points (holes) you've created
match up with the center of the lens axis.

Have Fun!!

eo


On Oct 1, 2007, at 2:10 AM, paul womack wrote:

> I am just setting out to make a wooden
> pano head for my Canon a630.
>
> Along these lines:
>
> http://www.worth1000.com/tutorial.asp?sid=161123
>
> I understand about the nodal point, and
> needing to rotate about it.
>
> But HOW precise do I need to be in
> evaluating and building the nodal
> point?
>
> 1/2 a mm?
> 1 mm?
> 5 mm?
>
>     BugBear

I took this panorama from Mount Washington a week ago. I used a
handheld 20D+Sigma 8mm f/3.5. No snow there but it was very cold.

homepage.ntlworld.com/j.houghton/mtwash.htm

John

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Milko Amorth" <panotools@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Hans,
>
> > Also we have the programm Pleinpot and so we cann also make them
> > fullpage, but...... how the H do we publish those full pages?
>
> Pleinpot will export (almost) everything you need.
> Once you have setup the pages in the preferences lets say  for qt,
devalVR
> and spi-v.
> You then import yourmovie.mov
> adjust your settings and enter your captions and export.
> The directory created will give you:
> A folder dswmedia
> A folder media
> yourmovie.html  (for quicktime)
> yourmovie_Dv.html  (for DevalVR)
> yourmovie_SPi.html  (for SPi-V )
>
> You then have to add the equirectangular yourmovie.jpg and SPi-V.dcr
files
> into the dswmedia folder manually.
> Thats all you have to do to publish. Transfer the directory to your
ftp
> server and keep this stucture as is.
> The media folder contains all the scripts and media files.
> Now just hyperlink to your pages and a a new browser window or tab
will
> come up for each page you link to.
>
> Cheers, Milko
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Milko Amorth
> 360° Immersive Imaging
> Photographic Virtual Reality
> VRCanada.ca
> 604.561.5101
>
> PhotoScrapbook at Flickr.com/photos/vrdundee
> Skype me @ vrdundee
> Member of IVRPA.org
> Contributor to the World Wide Panorama Project
>Hi Milko,
Thanks for your quick answer but it does not ring any bell. That
yourmovie, is that a programm? I seem to get lost this way.
I do publish my website via my pages at .mac and I can't get the
fullframes there despite the fact that evrone tells tat it 's so easy.
Can you give me a hint where to find info on this matter?
I would be very greatfull.
By the way, did you look at my pano's, for example the vineyards?

Oh, one other q. How do I publish in Java so that also window users
can see them?

Bye from the other side of the big pond.
Hans

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "John Houghton" <j.houghton@...>
wrote:
>
> I took this panorama from Mount Washington a week ago. I used a
> handheld 20D+Sigma 8mm f/3.5. No snow there but it was very cold.
>
John


Hi John,

Welcome back, it is a nice panorama. I bet the quality of air was
something else, I use to get that when I was in Portillo,(ski resort),
in Chile 4000mtrs altitude up in the Andes.

kind regards

Rodrigo

Hi Michael,

I own a Large Format Print Shop located in Lisbon, Portugal.
Our clients upload the files to our servers, we print them and send it
by post or DHL depending on the client address.
We can print up to 100" (2,64m) wide by any length (well, the rolls
usually come in 50m length).
Usually the limiting factor is not our machines but most clients don't
have good enough files to print this big!!!
We charge on average 20 EUR/ Square meter but can be less or more
depending on the material to be printed on.
We have many local photographers and digital artists printing their
works here.

Contact-me off list if you need more info.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Carlos Chegado

Olho de Peixe Lda

====================================

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Michael Asgian escreveu:
>
> Anyone has any exprience in printing panoramic images in very good
> quality somewhere? Something like you can see in galleries... I want
> to let someone do ths for me rather than buy the whole equipment and
> start test&errors.
>
> Size? As big as possible... 60x20 or even bigger.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> .
>
>


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Hi James,

      I am in Kent.

CHEERS...Mathew

Hi Michael,

      I found some internet mail order companies doing high res large
format inkjet printing. Anything as large as you want and bigger will
probably not be standard exposure photos. I have wanted to do something
really big too but there may be limiting factors you need to consider.
It takes money, which has been my limiting factor to do this. Not to
mention a big wall.
      Other problems come into play also.

1. Large printed images. The larger the paper image the greater chance
    you will kink the paper just in handling it, before actually doing
    the framing work. Have you got a large enough flat work surface to
    deal with a seriously large paper sheet?

2. Matting and framing.

    A. Mat board comes in 60" lengths. Allowing a 2" miminum mat border
       limits the image to about 56.25" and allowing a 1/8" overlap of
       the image.

    B. Framing lengths are probably longer tham 60" but I am not sure.

    C. Glass or Plexiglas front. Glass will break if you flex the long
       framing. Its also expensive and weighty. Coated UV glass is cool
       and makes it look like there is no glass, but the price is
       hideous. Plex is your best protection against flexing. Again
       there is the weight consideration, but also take into account it
       scratches easily if you try to clean it or wipe dust off of the
       surface. Do you smoke?

3. Are you going to attempt this work or will you farm it out? $$$

4. Considering the potential weight: How will you mount it to the wall?
    Have you got a wall big enough? Will the significant other put up
    with it?  :-)

      The local Michaels craft supply store is framing up two prints
with a 10" x 35" image size. It is actually on 12 x 36 paper done at
Costco on their new printer. At half price for the work, it is
expensive.
And they were concerned about the flexing on the glass. Final framed
size will be about 15" x 40". It will be eye popping even at that size.
Before this new machine came in, the largest I could get was 18".
Quading the image size really made an impact.
      I still want to do a 56" image at some point. Once I get the
framed prints around Wednesday, I will have a better idea of the
framing logistics coupled with the weight issue. Plex might have to be
the front of choice.
      Another point for printing: I prep them all at 300 PPI 8 bit tiff
but a 12 x 36 comes in at 111 mbs. Costco can handle this. However, I
did look into one local company for an inkjet print but their machine
could only take max file size of 25 mbs. I created a high res JPG of the
300 ppi tiff and it still was 40mbs. I was unwilling to compress the jpg
and loose quality. So I did not attempt to do the print with them.
      Getting the best quality before a larger size should be you first
choice. Once you have tested yourself with a large image like 35", then
consider going larger. I am certainly having fun when I can afford it.

CHEERS...Mathew

I print my panoramas as digital c-prints, skipping
over messy stuff like inkjets and such. you should
find a OCE lightjet or Lamda printer (up to 72 inch
wide) in almost every city that has a base for
professional photographers. NYC has at least 4 72inch
wide "printers" like this. but keep in mind that you
need really good files for those printers, since they
print with light at 300 dpi on photopaper.

for mounting, i use nothing else but diasec: face
mounted photopaper against plexiglass, and backed by
dibond, alu or sintra. then they get a alu framework
in the back for hanging, and you are done.

the process is probably the most expensive one, but
the nicest, longest lasting and valuable solution.

my 96x40inch panoramas are hanging in redhook,
brooklyn right now, in case you wanna see. but you can
go to your nearest photo museum and should find all
the big&good stuff mounted in this fashion (like
andreas gursky and thomas struth).

http://newyorkpanorama.com/2007/09/14/panoramas-at-the-bwac-art-show-in-redhook/

joergen


--- Michael Asgian <michaelasgian@...> wrote:

> Anyone has any exprience in printing panoramic
> images in very good quality somewhere? Something
> like you can see in galleries... I want to let
> someone do ths for me rather than buy the whole
> equipment and start test&errors.
>
> Size? As big as possible... 60x20 or even bigger.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>
>
>
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yourmovie means exactly what it spells, your movie, i.e. the movie you
just made and want to publish. It´s just that yourmovie is way smaller
than "write here the name of the QTVR movie you want to publish".html,
for instance.
And Windows users can see practically every format you publish your
movie, it only depends if they have the right plugin/program/whatever
installed. And no, "whatever" is not a new program to view panos, is an
expression to tell you to substitute by any other thing capable to view
panos; it´s just that it´s smaller than... well you got the point.
Regards,
Rodolpho Pajuaba

hansart2002 escreveu:
>
> Thanks for your quick answer but it does not ring any bell. That
> yourmovie, is that a programm? I seem to get lost this way.
> I do publish my website via my pages at .mac and I can't get the
> fullframes there despite the fact that evrone tells tat it 's so easy.
> Can you give me a hint where to find info on this matter?
> I would be very greatfull.
> By the way, did you look at my pano's, for example the vineyards?
>
> Oh, one other q. How do I publish in Java so that also window users
> can see them?
>
> Bye from the other side of the big pond.
> Hans
>
>
>
>


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To have the whole process under control I'm starting to print with a
HP Z3100 24", and the quality is excellent. Together with a color
calibrated 26" monitor from NEC this is a fabulous "darkroom".

Info about durability and lightfastness (>230 years framed under glass):
http://www.wilhelm-research.com/hp/WIR_HP_Z3100_2007_04_15.pdf
http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press_kits/2006/photokina/fs_finearts.pdf

Good infos and discussions about various printers can be found at the
forum "Printers, Papers and Inks" in Luminous Landscapes:
http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showforum=6

Thomas

I had some OCE (= Cymbolic Science) Lightjet prints made as well, and I
am very happy with them! Mine were scaled up to a size corresponding
with 200 dpi and they were VERY sharp (and BIG). Contrast and/or colour
saturation seem to be a little less then inkjet but very natural. I
also had them mounted sandwiched between plexiglass and Dibond and I
can really recommend that too.
The only thing not perfect were the 'steps' in fine gradients in skies,
probably caused by the 8-bit colourdepth RIP that was used.
Mine were done in Amsterdam, the Netherlands by 'Kleurgamma'
http://www.kleurgamma.com

Regards,

erik leeman

(www.erikleeman.com)

Joergen,

I don't agree with you when you say:

"I print my panoramas as digital c-prints................longest lasting
and valuable solution."

The RA4 C-Process is not the safest neither the long lasting way to
print images.
The dyes used in the C-Process change over time and color will fade away
in a mater of decades.

I am not that old but I have seen many color photographs faded.
If you where talking about processing the images on CibaChrome,
IlfordChrome or the like, well, those where processes that if made
properly indeed had very good fade resistance. I used to process my own
Ciba's and still have pristine images framed and displayed close to
windows in my home, RA4 it's another story.

Another thing I don't like about the RA4 C-Process is the chemical waist
and pollution it generates, even with machines recovering the heavy
metals from the waist liquid, the thing is a mess and I don't understand
why is such a process still allowed in a modern world, messing with very
aggressive chemicals and dumping them away in the drain as most of the
labs do it's a thing of the past imo.

The bottom line is every color pigment or dye eventually will fade away
but dyes will fade faster than pigment ink.

Even the B&W process has it's pitfalls, many pictures of mine made 20
years ago start to show yellow spots probably due to the images not
being sufficiently washed after the fixing process.

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Carlos Chegado

Olho de Peixe Lda

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