On Friday, February 01, 2008 at 6:22, Ingemar Bergmark wrote:

> Note: Decimal values should be entered with a period "."

Sure? I would .NET expect to use the system defaults...

best regards
Erik Krause
http://www.erik-krause.de

On Friday, February 01, 2008 at 6:22, Ingemar Bergmark wrote:

> Note: Decimal values should be entered with a period "."

Sure? I would .NET expect to use the system defaults...

Unfortunately it doesn't work on my computer (other .NET 2.0 apps
work great). It does not even start and the OS want's to send an
error report to Microsoft. In the event log I find

Source: .NET Runtime 2.0 Error

Event ID: 5000

EventType clr20r3, P1 enfusegui.exe, P2 1.0.0.0, P3 47a18b12, P4
system.windows.forms, P5 2.0.0.0, P6 4333aefa, P7 16b3, P8 159, P9
system.componentmodel.win32, P10 NIL.

Windows 2000 SP4, AMD Athlon 1.4 GHz

best regards
Erik Krause
http://www.erik-krause.de

On Thursday, January 31, 2008 at 18:26, Paul D. DeRocco wrote:

> > Looks like a great sensor for high-end DSLRs. But the cost/performance
> > ratio of a 1.5x factor DSLR with a circular fisheye like the new Sigma
> > 4.5mm will probably win out for most of us. Similar numbers of pixels
> > and greater depth of focus in the latter case...
>
> Also, I suspect that 25Mp is well beyond the resolution of any fisheye lens.

...then 10MP on a crop factor 1.6 sensor is beyond the resolution of
any fisheye, too. 25MP on a full frame sensor has the same absolute
resolution (pixel density) like a 10MP sensor at crop faktor 1.6

best regards
Erik Krause
http://www.erik-krause.de

> From: Erik Krause
>
> ...then 10MP on a crop factor 1.6 sensor is beyond the resolution of
> any fisheye, too. 25MP on a full frame sensor has the same absolute
> resolution (pixel density) like a 10MP sensor at crop faktor 1.6

Probably. Even on my 6Mp 10D, which is a 1.6x crop sensor, I can see a lot
of CA near the edges, so it's obvious that I wouldn't be getting any more
sharpness if I stuck it on my 10Mp 40D. And a 25MP FF sensor would probably
be even worse, because it reaches into the worst part of the lens.

--

Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

> From: Paul D. DeRocco
>
> Probably. Even on my 6Mp 10D, which is a 1.6x crop sensor, I can see a lot
> of CA near the edges, so it's obvious that I wouldn't be getting any more
> sharpness if I stuck it on my 10Mp 40D. And a 25MP FF sensor
> would probably
> be even worse, because it reaches into the worst part of the lens.

BTW, that's a Sigma 8mm I'm talking about.

--

Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Erik Krause" <erik.krause@...>
> wrote:
>
> Unfortunately it doesn't work on my computer
> ...
> Windows 2000 SP4, AMD Athlon 1.4 GHz
>
> best regards
> Erik Krause
> http://www.erik-krause.de
>


Hmmm. Windows 2000... havn't tested that. I've only tested XP and Vista.
I'll have to set up a virtual machine to see what the problem is.

/ Ingemar

On Friday, February 01, 2008 at 1:42, Paul D. DeRocco wrote:

> > ...then 10MP on a crop factor 1.6 sensor is beyond the resolution of
> > any fisheye, too. 25MP on a full frame sensor has the same absolute
> > resolution (pixel density) like a 10MP sensor at crop faktor 1.6
>
> Probably. Even on my 6Mp 10D, which is a 1.6x crop sensor, I can see a lot
> of CA near the edges, so it's obvious that I wouldn't be getting any more
> sharpness if I stuck it on my 10Mp 40D. And a 25MP FF sensor would probably
> be even worse, because it reaches into the worst part of the lens.

TCA is not necessarily an indicator for the lens resolution, although
TCA might cause blurring even after correction, since correction
applies to a single channel only, which contains the average of a
relativly broad band of wavelenght.

And of course TCA looks far stronger than it really is if the image
is blurred: http://tinyurl.com/2q4ka8

best regards
Erik Krause
http://www.erik-krause.de

Yeah.
for professional work it is a big No for me.
it is heavy but does the job.
pretty sturdy aswell.
I also have a alu tripod from them. also heavy but for windy
conditions I use it.

I wanted to try this horizontal pieceand thought 30 bucks was not to
much money to try this first.

I do this for a hobby not for my job so money is a bit limited ;-).




--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Luca Vascon <crimsonkingit@...>
wrote:
>
> I had bad experience with Walimex products, cheap Manfrotto copies,
with
> all old manfrotto drawbacks and none of the plus.
> :-/ Is this any good?
>
> Freddy Stapersma ha scritto:
> >
> > I bought a cheap horizontal extention from walimex.
> > a bit heavy but I only use this for indoor hdr shoots anyway.
> > works like a charm!
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/ywdy4o <http://tinyurl.com/ywdy4o>
> >
> > bought it for 30 euros on Ebay.
> >
> > Regards.
> > discocandy
> >
> > --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>, Erik Krause <erik.krause@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > brenlikescheese wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Are there any tricks for getting the nadir shot??
> > > >
> > >
> > > Besides the already mentioned ones you can use a short
horizontal
> > pole
> > > mounted to your tripod or a construction like this:
> > > http://michel.thoby.free.fr/Nadir/Ninja/Ninja_Eng.html
> > <http://michel.thoby.free.fr/Nadir/Ninja/Ninja_Eng.html>
> > >
> > > best regards
> > >
> > >
> > > -----
> > > Erik Krause
> > > http://www.erik-krause.de <http://www.erik-krause.de>
> > > --
> > > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Nadir-shot--

> > <http://www.nabble.com/Nadir-shot-->
> > tp15186025p15200696.html
> > > Sent from the PanoToolsNG mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> > >
> >
> >
>

Always good to see new initiatives but they need to seriously do something
about their marketing skills, the site looks horrendous and the provided
examples from Rome even worse!

http://www.sunex.com/dslr/virtualtour.htm

They should stick to the tech end of this product and have a few
photographers do the actual shooting for them. And F/5.6 is not very
impressive either.
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Great news Kevin, thank you very much.  Don't forget the donations
everyone!

Best

Bruce

Bruce Hemming
Bruce Hemming Photography
Tel: +44 (0)1580 200277
Mobile: +44 (0)7974 918414
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Sometime around 1/2/08 (at 01:42 -0800) Paul D. DeRocco said:

>  > From: Erik Krause
>>
>>  ...then 10MP on a crop factor 1.6 sensor is beyond the resolution of
>>  any fisheye, too. 25MP on a full frame sensor has the same absolute
>>  resolution (pixel density) like a 10MP sensor at crop faktor 1.6
>
>Probably. Even on my 6Mp 10D, which is a 1.6x crop sensor, I can see a lot
>of CA near the edges, so it's obvious that I wouldn't be getting any more
>sharpness if I stuck it on my 10Mp 40D. And a 25MP FF sensor would probably
>be even worse, because it reaches into the worst part of the lens.

But then, a full-frame sensor camera does mean working with different
lenses to get the equivalent effect. So a rough equivalent of the
10.5mm would be 16mm, wouldn't it? Something like the old 16mm
fisheye that I used briefly on my old Canon A1. Assuming the
manufacturing and glass quality was similar, that would give
approximately the same view but reduced chromatic abberation.
(Slightly reduced depth of field too, but that's physics for ya!)

I don't think it is really a matter of being beyond the resolution of
a fisheye, as that's just analog-world optics. The Sigma 8mm and
Nikon 10.5mm fisheyes are designed to produce acceptable images on a
cropped-area sensor, and trying to capture an image using a broader
part of the image means going beyond the design intentions. So...
isn't the important thing simply using a lens that is actually meant
to cover a full-frame sensor?

(I think that's what you meant in your first post, but I wasn't sure...)

k

Thank you for your information.
So I understoof Michel Thobys test right.

This could be in my focus, becaus the Tokina gives you a lot of advantage on a
5D.

Think the focus, or better DOF, is not a problem at all.
A FF has lesser DOF than a Crop- but the Tokina should have sufficent DOF to get
objects sharp from 30cm to infinity.

Ciao
Mike

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Willy:
how was the camera set ?
I mean internal NR etc ?

Thanks
Mike

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On Friday, February 01, 2008 at 10:41, Keith Martin wrote:

> But then, a full-frame sensor camera does mean working with different
> lenses to get the equivalent effect. So a rough equivalent of the
> 10.5mm would be 16mm, wouldn't it? Something like the old 16mm
> fisheye that I used briefly on my old Canon A1.

This is what I would suspect people to do with a full frame sensor,
yes. But apparently most of them use a 10.5mm or even 8mm lens in
order to need less shots. With a 25MP full frame sensor they would
get roughly the same output resolution as with the same lens on a
10MP crop factor camera.

> Assuming the manufacturing and glass quality was similar, that would
> give approximately the same view but reduced chromatic abberation.

Yes, of course. But you always can go for even higher quality using
longer lenses and more shots...

> (Slightly reduced depth of field too, but that's physics for ya!)

There is a frequent misunderstanding about DOF and spherical
panoramas mostly because people use DOF values intended for single
printed images as a comparison. For spherical you have to calculate
differently: http://wiki.panotools.org/Depth_of_Field

> I don't think it is really a matter of being beyond the resolution of
> a fisheye, as that's just analog-world optics. The Sigma 8mm and
> Nikon 10.5mm fisheyes are designed to produce acceptable images on a
> cropped-area sensor, and trying to capture an image using a broader
> part of the image means going beyond the design intentions.

The corners of a crop factor 1.5 image from a 10.5mm lens are very
close to the outer image circle. Hence if you talk about fisheyes you
can't simply say "designed for...". Anyone should know that close to
the image circle there is a lower resolution, not only due to lens
design flaws but due to the fisheye mapping.

> So... isn't the important thing simply using a lens that is actually
> meant to cover a full-frame sensor?

The pre-digital Sigma 8mm lenses where meant to cover a full-frame
sensor. Nevertheless the image quality was bad near the image circle.

You could use it on a full-frame sensor for a 3-around workflow,
where each image contributes about 120° - which is pretty inside the
image circle and (coincidentally!) a crop by 1.5

Same applies if you use a 10.5mm lens on a full-frame. In a 3-around
workflow you more or less use only the parts visible on a 1.5 crop
sensor anyway. The ecxess parts are only necessary because you need
some overlap to find control points.

best regards


Erik Krause
http://www.erik-krause.de

I will send you the Metadata out of PS

the internal NR was on

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On Feb 1, 2008, at 9:47, ptgroup wrote:

> Willy:
> how was the camera set ?
> I mean internal NR etc ?
>
> Thanks
> Mike
>
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Willy Kaemena

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On Fri 01-Feb-2008 at 10:30 +0000, Bruce Hemming wrote:

> Great news Kevin, thank you very much.  Don't forget the donations
> everyone!

Indeed, here's the link for making a donation to the author of
enfuse:

http://sourceforge.net/project/project_donations.php?group_id=123407

--
Bruno

Williy,
if I read your exif right :
--
<crs:Shadows>9</crs:Shadows>
<crs:Brightness>+50</crs:Brightness>
<crs:Contrast>+25</crs:Contrast>
<crs:Saturation>0</crs:Saturation>
<crs:Sharpness>0</crs:Sharpness>
<crs:LuminanceSmoothing>90</crs:LuminanceSmoothing>
<crs:ColorNoiseReduction>28</crs:ColorNoiseReduction>
<crs:ChromaticAberrationR>0</crs:ChromaticAberrationR>
<crs:ChromaticAberrationB>0</crs:ChromaticAberrationB>
---

this means you set Luminanc NR to 90 , Color NR to 28 and
increased th Brightness by +50 and Contrast by +25

Is this correct ??

Ciao
Mike

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should be right,  that were the settings used in CS RAW

in the meantime I did another one  with 2600 ISO !!!  1/15 F5/6
   it was really dark there !!  in the turret of a huge cannon

http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Rio/FortTurret
http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Rio/FortTurret/index_swf.html

Willy

On Feb 1, 2008, at 11:04, ptgroup wrote:

> Williy,
> if I read your exif right :
> --
> <crs:Shadows>9</crs:Shadows>
> <crs:Brightness>+50</crs:Brightness>
> <crs:Contrast>+25</crs:Contrast>
> <crs:Saturation>0</crs:Saturation>
> <crs:Sharpness>0</crs:Sharpness>
> <crs:LuminanceSmoothing>90</crs:LuminanceSmoothing>
> <crs:ColorNoiseReduction>28</crs:ColorNoiseReduction>
> <crs:ChromaticAberrationR>0</crs:ChromaticAberrationR>
> <crs:ChromaticAberrationB>0</crs:ChromaticAberrationB>
> ---
>
> this means you set Luminanc NR to 90 , Color NR to 28 and
> increased th Brightness by +50 and Contrast by +25
>
> Is this correct ??
>
> Ciao
> Mike
>
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Willy this is really a competative one (the other too).
I can imagine that is was relly dark in there.
The camera did extremly good - about the D80 with 640/800 ISO,
so it´s a big increase.
Wonder how a Canon 5D would do.
Ciao
Mike

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digg it! :-) it's already at the top of "what's hot" which is a good sign
:-)
http://digg.com/space/360_panorama_See_Mars_in_first_person_perspective_Wooah



*Mars Daily, January 28, 2008
Panorama Inside Victoria Crater Four Years On Mars

[]
/Image Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/Cornell University

/
Pasadena CA (JPL) - During four months prior to the fourth anniversary
of its landing on Mars, NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Opportunity
examined rocks inside an alcove called "Duck Bay" in the western portion
of Victoria Crater *above*.

The main body of the crater appears in the upper right of this panorama,
with the far side of the crater lying about 800 meters (half a mile)
away. Bracketing that part of the view are two promontories on the
crater's rim at either side of Duck Bay.

They are "Cape Verde," about 6 meters (20 feet) tall, on the left, and
"Cabo Frio," about 15 meters (50 feet) tall, on the right. The rest of
the image, other than sky and portions of the rover, is ground within
Duck Bay.

Opportunity's targets of study during the last quarter of 2007 were rock
layers within a band exposed around the interior of the crater, about 6
meters (20 feet) from the rim. Bright rocks within the band are visible
in the foreground of the panorama. The rover science team assigned
informal names to three subdivisions of the band: "Steno," "Smith," and
"Lyell."

This view combines many images taken by Opportunity's panoramic camera
(Pancam) from the 1,332nd through 1,379th Martian days, or sols, of the
mission (Oct. 23 to Dec. 11, 2007). Images taken through Pancam filters
centered on wavelengths of 753 nanometers, 535 nanometers and 432
nanometers were mixed to produce an approximately true-color panorama.
Some visible patterns in dark and light tones are the result of
combining frames that were affected by dust on the front sapphire window
of the rover's camera.

Opportunity landed on Jan. 25, 2004, Universal Time, (Jan. 24, Pacific
Time) inside a much smaller crater about 6 kilometers (4 miles) north of
Victoria Crater, to begin a surface mission designed to last 3 months
and drive about 600 meters (0.4 mile). #




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Le 1 févr. 08 à 14:31, ptgroup a écrit :

> The camera did extremly good - about the D80 with 640/800 ISO,
> so it´s a big increase.
> Wonder how a Canon 5D would do.

As very low light photography is concerned, the panographers could
learn a lot from the astronomers community.
For instance Christian Buil has some interesting and pertinent
knowledge to share on his Website.

To answer Mike's question Christian wrote:

http://www.astrosurf.com/buil/nikon_test/test.htm
and sorry, I didn't find a possible English version for that one:
http://www.astrosurf.com/buil/5d/test.htm

Regards,

Michel

On Thursday, January 31, 2008 at 21:24, panokaemena@... wrote:

> http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Rio/ForteCanhao1/index_Dv.html

I like your use of the living sunscreen ;-) But I dislike Deval
autorotation starting immediately after I release the mouse. Why not
use "firstautoplay" parameter?

best regards
Erik Krause
http://www.erik-krause.de

On Friday, February 01, 2008 at 14:41, Jeffrey Martin wrote:

> Panorama Inside Victoria Crater Four Years On Mars

Pah, on mars! Who did ever believe it? Now we know that this mars
crater is just in the middle of Prague ;-)
http://www.prague360.com/fs.html?loc=mars-rover-panorama.p36

Ah, and Jeffrey, why don't you use "firstautoplay" Deval parameter? I
hate it when a panorama pans away as soon as I want to view something
in more detail...

best regards
Erik Krause
http://www.erik-krause.de

cool, jeffrey :)

>> an approximately true-color panorama
maybe we should ask them to glue a color reference card on top of it
next time ^^

cheers
juergen

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Jeffrey Martin" <360cities@...>
wrote:
>
> digg it! :-) it's already at the top of "what's hot" which is a
good sign
> :-)
> http://digg.com/space/
360_panorama_See_Mars_in_first_person_perspective_Wooah
>
>
>
> *Mars Daily, January 28, 2008
> Panorama Inside Victoria Crater Four Years On Mars
>
> []
> /Image Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/Cornell University
>
> /
> Pasadena CA (JPL) - During four months prior to the fourth
anniversary
> of its landing on Mars, NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Opportunity
> examined rocks inside an alcove called "Duck Bay" in the western
portion
> of Victoria Crater *above*.
>
> The main body of the crater appears in the upper right of this
panorama,
> with the far side of the crater lying about 800 meters (half a
mile)
> away. Bracketing that part of the view are two promontories on the
> crater's rim at either side of Duck Bay.
>
> They are "Cape Verde," about 6 meters (20 feet) tall, on the left,
and
> "Cabo Frio," about 15 meters (50 feet) tall, on the right. The
rest of
> the image, other than sky and portions of the rover, is ground
within
> Duck Bay.
>
> Opportunity's targets of study during the last quarter of 2007
were rock
> layers within a band exposed around the interior of the crater,
about 6
> meters (20 feet) from the rim. Bright rocks within the band are
visible
> in the foreground of the panorama. The rover science team assigned
> informal names to three subdivisions of the band:
"Steno," "Smith," and
> "Lyell."
>
> This view combines many images taken by Opportunity's panoramic
camera
> (Pancam) from the 1,332nd through 1,379th Martian days, or sols,
of the
> mission (Oct. 23 to Dec. 11, 2007). Images taken through Pancam
filters
> centered on wavelengths of 753 nanometers, 535 nanometers and 432
> nanometers were mixed to produce an approximately true-color
panorama.
> Some visible patterns in dark and light tones are the result of
> combining frames that were affected by dust on the front sapphire
window
> of the rover's camera.
>
> Opportunity landed on Jan. 25, 2004, Universal Time, (Jan. 24,
Pacific
> Time) inside a much smaller crater about 6 kilometers (4 miles)
north of
> Victoria Crater, to begin a surface mission designed to last 3
months
> and drive about 600 meters (0.4 mile). #
>
>
>
>
> --
> =========================
> Jeffrey Martin
> www.360cities.net - The World in Virtual Reality
> Terronska 49, 160 00 Prague 6, Czech Republic
> 4 Main St, Suite 60a, Los Altos CA 94022, USA
>
> tel. +420 608 076 502 / skype jeffrey.s.martin
>
> www.prague360.com / www.vrlog.net / www.jeffrey-martin.com
>
>
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If I would have had a tripod....  it would have been much better.. but
so I was restricted to as short time of only 1/15

Willy
On Feb 1, 2008, at 11:31, ptgroup wrote:

> Willy this is really a competative one (the other too).
> I can imagine that is was relly dark in there.
> The camera did extremly good - about the D80 with 640/800 ISO,
> so it´s a big increase.
> Wonder how a Canon 5D would do.
> Ciao
> Mike
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>Another Pole Shot
>Posted by: "Roger Berry" onezebra1@... onezebra1
>Date: Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:11 pm ((PST))

> By standing in one place holding the pole with one hand and turning
> it with the other you can keep if very staidly and centered.


How then are you releasing the shutter ?



Gregg.

Erik

I dont have a PC so I never saw my Deval output !! only once in an
Internet Cafe.
I am unaware of any parameters and the  code is made by pleinpot.

Willy


On Feb 1, 2008, at 12:18, Erik Krause wrote:

> On Thursday, January 31, 2008 at 21:24, panokaemena@... wrote:
>
> > http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Rio/ForteCanhao1/index_Dv.html
>
> I like your use of the living sunscreen ;-) But I dislike Deval
> autorotation starting immediately after I release the mouse. Why not
> use "firstautoplay" parameter?
>
> best regards
> Erik Krause
> http://www.erik-krause.de
>
>
>

Willy Kaemena

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I can't speak for the others, but in my case, I use my camera's built-in
intervalometer.



--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, <greggnixon@...> wrote:
>
> >Another Pole Shot
> >Posted by: "Roger Berry" onezebra1@... onezebra1
> >Date: Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:11 pm ((PST))
>
> > By standing in one place holding the pole with one hand and turning
> > it with the other you can keep if very staidly and centered.
>
>
> How then are you releasing the shutter ?
>
>
>
> Gregg.
>

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Juergen Schrader" <panorama@...> wrote:

> >> an approximately true-color panorama
> maybe we should ask them to glue a color reference card on top of it
> next time ^^

They already have a sort of color "reference card" on the rovers, it is part of
the MarsDial-
which incidentally, comes from Seattle :)

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/153690_mars23.html

Sometime around 1/2/08 (at 13:35 +0100) Erik Krause said:

>close to the image circle there is a lower resolution, not
>only due to lens design flaws but due to the fisheye mapping.

Got it. Although really it is is lower *quality* that we're talking
about. Resolution, although related in a sense, means something
slightly different. At least, with digital images it is used to refer
to the sensors and the final pixels.

Thanks for the further info and the DoF link! I was thinking in terms
of individual shots, but that's interesting data on that wiki. Stuff
for me to ponder. :-)

k