Quoting Erik Krause <erik.krause@...>:
again.
>
> > http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f234/bugbear33/workshop.jpg
>
> Nice old smoothing planes you have!
where is the jar of rabbit skin glue ?


regards

mick

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Steven-

Yes, you are quite correct about a UV map being the wrong approach. We will
be projecting the 20 panos from their camera tracked positions on the 3d
model, then using perspective projection, in effect a slide projector of the
image back onto it's subject. We will use Wavgen's plugin to apply the full
gigapixel resolution onto the model, then use a 3d slitscan camera (first
that I know of), to fly down a determined path to render the final image, an
"unwrap" of the valley. I call it a taxidermy of the valley walls as an easy
explanation for those unfamiliar w/ 3d.

BTW, we just returned and are reviewing the images now. We were graced with
beautiful weather conditions, and all 16 Gigapans performed flawlessly. The
event was well documented w/ a few HD crews filming and even a studio
backing in the campground for portraits, take a look:

http://www.flickr.com/groups/xrez_yosemite/pool/page2/

We'll be posting updates and progress as we get them!

Best,

Eric

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Hi all :)

Interesting topic :) I plan to try 360 video. Does someone could
advise me about the purchase of the most affordable but suitable
camcorder to use with a one-shot lens please ?

Thanks a lot
Regards.



--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Giorgio Marchetto - GIS
Solution" <giorgio.marchetto@...> wrote:
>
> Hello panofriends
> My question is: which is the best Windows workflow to create 360
videos
> [using a HDV camcorder and a one shot lens]
> to view with Pano2VR flash player or Lucid flash player?
>
> I have a CanonHV20 and a One Shot Lens.
>
> Actually my workflow is:
> 1-shot 25p spherical mirror video
> 2-convert .mpeg2 to .avi and import into Imatronics Interactive
video
> 3-create panoramic video with the same program
> 4-confert to .flv or desired format
>
> #2 point is critical because the program is buggy
> most times it crashes in my PC
> and I only evaluate it (I don't want to spend 200$ for this program)
>
> A solution could be using special version of the Panotools plugin of
> Mr.Dersch
> to convert frame by frame donut (raw circular) video to panoramic
video.
>
> thanks in advance for your help
>
> G.Marchetto
>

Hello All,

I am hosting an informal "Panoheads" meeting in Toronto in a few weeks.
("Panoheads" in this context are people whose minds think panoramically,
not just the device we put on our tripods!) All are welcome to attend,
and the more friends with cameras you can bring, the bigger an event it
will be!

There is no firm agenda for the day, but my employer has graciously
loaned me the use of our state-of-the-art meeting center in downtown
Toronto for the day (the 21st is a Saturday, BTW). So that comes with
room for up to 150 in comfy chairs, a multi-projector "powerwall," free
beverages, and a convenient location. I will also have our Spheron "HDR
scanning panoramic camera" set up for the curious, and I might even talk
about HDR if there is enough interest. Otherwise we are free to talk
about whatever we'd like, get to know each other, show off our gear, and
get outside and shoot some panos! (And if it goes late enough, head out
for food and drink in the city...)

A coincidence is that June 21st falls firmly within the dates for the
World Wide Panorama's second event for 2008:
http://geoimages.berkeley.edu/worldwidepanorama/wwp/practical/NextEvent.\
html
<http://geoimages.berkeley.edu/worldwidepanorama/wwp/practical/NextEvent\
.html%20>

We can hopefully "elevate" things to get everyone involved in this as
well!


Now the details:

2008 Panoheads Meet, Toronto.

Saturday, June 21st, 2008
1 PM - ?

Autodesk Canada offices
210 King St. East
Toronto, ON, M5A1J7
(Google Map
<http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=210+King+St.+East,+Tor\
onto,+ON&sll=43.655656,-79.463006&sspn=0.011954,0.021458&ie=UTF8&ll=43.6\
51106,-79.369032&spn=0.011955,0.021458&z=16&iwloc=addr>  )

RSVP and add to the ideas for the meeting or the WWP shoot via the
Panoheads Yahoo Group <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/panoheads/>
(join us, it's free!), or send me an email directly.

Hope to see you all there!

-Mark


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On Tuesday, June 03, 2008 at 19:08, crane@... wrote:

> > > http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f234/bugbear33/workshop.jpg
> >
> > Nice old smoothing planes you have!
> where is the jar of rabbit skin glue ?

In this panorama it's partly hidden behind the ladder:
http://pano.erik-krause.de/ateliers/werkstatt.jpg

That was my workshop shortly after we moved to the new rooms - its
far messier now...

best regards
Erik Krause
http://www.erik-krause.de

Hello,

I have a lot of photographs taken handheld everyday from the same place.
I have used PTGui to align them and I am very satisfied of the result.

Now I would like to create a movie from those images, with a cross fade
among them. Something like an Irfanview slideshow.

I have tried QuickTime Pro, but it does not have the cross fade.

Can anybody recommend me a software that does what I need?

Thanks in advance

Fulvio Senore

I have seen several commercials like this.. that are very neat.

Otherwise, for the ken burns (crap) you might try many of the dvd slideshow
programs
I'm sure they might have intermediate avi/mpg files.

For the main software co, I would try
http://www.photodex.com/products/proshowgold/


Sacha Griffin
Southern Digital Solutions LLC
http://www.southern-digital.com
http://www.seeit360.net
404-551-4275




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Behalf Of Fulvio Senore
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 3:49 PM
To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Help for a timelapse software

Hello,

I have a lot of photographs taken handheld everyday from the same place.
I have used PTGui to align them and I am very satisfied of the result.

Now I would like to create a movie from those images, with a cross fade
among them. Something like an Irfanview slideshow.

I have tried QuickTime Pro, but it does not have the cross fade.

Can anybody recommend me a software that does what I need?

Thanks in advance

Fulvio Senore

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Quoting Fulvio Senore <mailing@...>:

> Hello,
>
> I have a lot of photographs taken handheld everyday from the same place.
> I have used PTGui to align them and I am very satisfied of the result.
>
> Now I would like to create a movie from those images, with a cross fade
> among them. Something like an Irfanview slideshow.
>
> I have tried QuickTime Pro, but it does not have the cross fade.
>
> Can anybody recommend me a software that does what I need?
I would have done that in the camera, drive the rostrum cameraman crazy.
what is it called adobe premier or something ?
regards

mick

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Hi,
It's an old and very, very, long story.
Part of Oxaal's version can be read here:

http://www.pictosphere.com/kwx/patents-more.html

he claims to be the inventor of immersive image. And he patented his
invention in the USA, around 2000.
Then some people from Ipix (his former partner or boss) has also patented
Oxaal's invention. There was a law suit Oxaal X Ipix.
Oxaal won Ipix...but Ipix has lots of money and starts suing or threatening
people from USA, Europe, Australia doing panos or immersive images (>180°)
using fisheye lenses. They sue Helmut Dersch, making shut down he's site and
email list.
And so on. Sounds like a nightmare or a tale.

Fernando Chaves
1 514 667-6281
1 514 467-9800


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Envoyé : 3 juin 2008 14:39
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Objet : [PanoToolsNG] Re: The return of IPIX

Hmm, so Ford Oxaal is now IPIX?  Did not know that.  I am also struggling to
think what
IPIX/PictoSphere has that Realviz/Autodesk could want to license.  Anybody
understand
what that is all about?

I have never heard a single person on this list or elsewhere say that they
use Ford's
PictoStitch Pro.  Has anyone here even tried it?  Anyone use it?

John

I ended up putting the Pushkar Camel Fair panorama on the Gigapan.org
site, here's the link to it.
http://share.gigapan.org/viewGigapan.php?id=5735

Enjoy,
Roger Berry


--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Bernhard Vogl" <bvogl@...> wrote:
>
> > > Also the only program I have for posting this full size on the
internet
> > > is Zoomify and I don't like not being able to view it full
screen [...]
>
> You actually can display Zoomify - like any other plugin -
  "fullscreen".
> See this example at http://www.austria-
360.at/ooe/200706_gmunden2.htm
>
> HTH
> Bernhard
>

On Tue 03-Jun-2008 at 09:54 +0100, paul womack wrote:
>I've just taken a pano sequence. There were several
>people moving about during the shooting.
>
>In some cases I took multiple exposures in a single
>position to get "whole" people in shot (as opposed
>to a person on a picture boundary).

>I assume my core editing task is to render data areas
>I don't want transparent.

Yes, in though in practice you can be quite approximate about this.
Creating transparent areas for enblend has two purposes:

1. Indicating groups of pixels that you don't want contributing to
the final blended image.  With enough blend levels is is conceivable
that every available source pixel in every photo contributes to
every pixel in the output.

2. Guiding the blend seam, which is actually a path, this seam is
placed as far away from transparent areas as possible, so just a
single transparent pixel can move the seam significantly.

>How do I proceed in Hugin? Do I stitch and then
>edit the (cropped) mapped tiffs?
>(which may be difficult - I'm not sure Gimp
>handles cropped tiff correctly).

Don't save cropped tiffs, as far as I remember cinepaint is the
only tool that handles them properly.

>Or should I remove data I don't want from the
>un-mapped images?

You can do that too, but it is very difficult to see which bits you
need to edit without seeing them in a stack.

>Or is there another option?

If you are feeling adventurous then you can do it in Inkscape:

http://hugin.sourceforge.net/tutorials/enblend-svg/

..though hopefully this this summer, the google summer of code
'masking' project will make all this redundant.

--
Bruno

On 04/06/2008, at 3:38 AM, johncharlesriley wrote:
> Hmm, so Ford Oxaal is now IPIX?  Did not know that.

ROFL!!! I nearly fell off my chair when I read that story! Well, well
how the worm has turned.

>   I am also struggling to think what
> IPIX/PictoSphere has that Realviz/Autodesk could want to license.
> Anybody understand
> what that is all about?

Really short synopsis without digging through years of old mail ...
Ford (when much younger and inexperienced in the ways of "big-
business") took his (fortunately patented) idea to Ipix (or
TeleRobotics International (TRI) as they were called at the time) and
gave them a demo. They said (effectively) nice but don't call us
we'll call you. Thereafter they came out with their "own" product
which (surprise, surprise) was what Ford had basically shown them.

http://tinyurl.com/3sczng

There ensued a lengthy, costly law suit for patent infringement which
took years (as these things do) during which Ipoo (er sorry, Ipix ;-)
built their empire, sued Helmut (and everyone else they thought they
could bluff) and basically single-handedly dragged VR tours back into
the dark ages with their poor quality, cheap prices and crazy
licencing scheme, in the fall-out driving a lot of good pano-graphers
into other fields to survive.

Then as the court case drew to it's inevitable conclusion, they
basically filleted their businesses, selling off parts of it left
right and center (oh and all this time they kept getting heaps of
investors to sink capital in to keep them afloat).

Ford won, they agreed to "licence" his technology, but by now they
were in deep do-do.

I seem to recall not that long ago (so probably a few years back??)
Realviz licencing something from someone ... details are hazy, would
have to dig through old mail ...

I completely missed the part where Ford got his hands (as CEO) on the
Ipix business, but there is poetic justice for you!

Does this portend anything for us? Good or "evil" ... dunno. Ford has
always insisted he was not interested in pursuing people the way Ipoo
did ... but that was when he was younger and less experienced in the
ways of "big business" ... I think I wish him well, I certainly
appreciate the irony!

Cheers,
KathyW.

> --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Tamas Varga" <tvarga@...> wrote:
>> just to let you know that IPIX is not dead
>> http://www.securityinfowatch.com/online/The-Latest-for-
>> Manufacturers/IPIX-readies-
> for-a-comeback/15897SIW304
>>

I usually use QuickTime Pro or Sony Vegas and create an image Sequence -
works really well.



Rick



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Quoting Kathy Wheeler <kathyw@...>:

>
> On 04/06/2008, at 3:38 AM, johncharlesriley wrote:
> > Hmm, so Ford Oxaal is now IPIX?  Did not know that.
>
> ROFL!!! I nearly fell off my chair when I read that story! Well, well
> how the worm has turned.

I just remember reading he got stiffed by the bad guys( what does that mean )
I think he is welcome aboard.

regards


mick

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On 03 Jun 2008, at 17:44, crane@... wrote:

> Quoting Kathy Wheeler <kathyw@home. albury.net. au>:
>
> >
> > On 04/06/2008, at 3:38 AM, johncharlesriley wrote:
> > > Hmm, so Ford Oxaal is now IPIX? Did not know that.
> >
> > ROFL!!! I nearly fell off my chair when I read that story! Well,
> well
> > how the worm has turned.
>
> I just remember reading he got stiffed by the bad guys( what does
> that mean )
> I think he is welcome aboard.
>
> regards
>
> mick
>
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Along the way I've met Ford few times and also talk on the phone with
him. He has a cowboy personality with a wiry sense of humor and
choses to live in a small rural town in upstate New York with his
family. During Pictosphere he was like a one man shop along with his
lawyers fighting ipix. In the end he took ipix home on a plate. The
recent news with the licensing deals with Grandeye and Autodesk shows
he is a mighty shrew business guy.

With ipix now a Minds Eye View subsidiary, he's a 2 man operation
with the former head of ipix software engineering. They do customer
support for existing ipix customers and is moving into 360 video for
entertainment venues.

Here's a 360VR of Ford Oxaal with his ipix 6mm fisheye:
http://360vr.com/Ford_Oxaal/


Jook


On Jun 3, 2008, at 1:38 PM, johncharlesriley wrote:

> Hmm, so Ford Oxaal is now IPIX? Did not know that. I am also
> struggling to think what
> IPIX/PictoSphere has that Realviz/Autodesk could want to license.
> Anybody understand
> what that is all about?
>
> I have never heard a single person on this list or elsewhere say
> that they use Ford's
> PictoStitch Pro. Has anyone here even tried it? Anyone use it?
>
> John
>
> --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Tamas Varga" <tvarga@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > just to let you know that IPIX is not dead
> > http://www.securityinfowatch.com/online/The-Latest-for-
> Manufacturers/IPIX-readies-
> for-a-comeback/15897SIW304
> >
> > and "Welcome to PictoSphere™, inventors of spherical photography."
> > http://www.pictosphere.com/
> >
> > Now we are a more relaxed community of panographers / VRists that we
> > know who is the deity, though we will not worship them :-)
> >
> > My best
> > Tamas
> >
> > http://www.panograph.hu
> > http://www.budapest360.hu
> > http://www.beijing360.cn
> > http://www.worldpanoramastock.com
> >
>
>
>

Jook Leung Photography
360VR Images - 360 degree Panoramic photography
Web: http://360vr.com
E-mail: jook@...
Mobile: 201 679 6177





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On Jun 3, 2008, at 10:16 PM, Jook Leung wrote:

> Here's a 360VR of Ford Oxaal with his ipix 6mm fisheye:
> http://360vr.com/Ford_Oxaal/


LOL!  Seeing him holding that lens immediately made me recall the old
Burger King advertisement slogan: "It takes two hands to handle a
Whopper."

Thanks for the history review from some of you, but I actually know
all of that.  I just didn't quite grasp what Realviz could want from
IPIX/Oxaal.  They already apparently have a license to use two
circular fisheyes to make a pano, so what else could they want?

And seriously, has anyone ever tried out Ford's PictoStitch Pro
software?

John Riley
johnriley@...
jriley@...

Here's another large panoramic view showing the golden city of
Jaisalmer, on the northwest fringe of India in the Thar Desert.
http://www.gigapan.org/viewGigapan.php?id=5757

Enjoy,
Roger Berry

i'm using the doctype

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">

based on the panotools wiki and my own experimenting along with
Fiero's detectvr.js script.


this doctype puts browsers in quirks mode which prevents most other
nifty javascripts from working.

my question is, is there some other valid doctype that will show
movies (qt and swf) properly with detectvr.js ?


cheers
michael medina
http://pdxvr.com
http://medina-photo.com

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Fulvio Senore <mailing@...> wrote:
>

>
> I have tried QuickTime Pro, but it does not have the cross fade.
>
> Can anybody recommend me a software that does what I need?
>
Hi Fulvio,
ProShow Gold
www.photodex.com

Best regards
gianpietro frabetti

crane@... wrote:
> Quoting Erik Krause <erik.krause@...>:
> again.
>>> http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f234/bugbear33/workshop.jpg
>> Nice old smoothing planes you have!
> where is the jar of rabbit skin glue ?

Hidden behind other stuff on the shelves.

    BugBear (with several old tools)

Erik Krause wrote:
> In this panorama it's partly hidden behind the ladder:
> http://pano.erik-krause.de/ateliers/werkstatt.jpg

Ah - hah! A luthier!

    BugBear

Erik Krause wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 03, 2008 at 16:27, paul womack wrote:
>
>> I've used "panorama" before,
>
> My versions of hugin (the oldest is 0.7 beta 5) don't have "Panorama"
> :-( Which version do you use?

About gives me 0.7.0

>> My pano is being wrapped top-to-bottom, and opposed to the nice 360
>> wrap round I want.
>> So - how do I control this?
>
> First choose cylindrical. Then try "Straighten" in Pano Preview. If
> this doesn't work, set pitch to 0.0 for all images, then optimize
> again.
>
>> http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f234/bugbear33/workshop.jpg
>
> Nice old smoothing planes you have!

Why, thank you.

    BugBear

Actually QuickTime Pro does crossfade - that's the default.  So does Sony
Vegas.



Rick



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paul womack wrote:
> Erik Krause wrote:
>> On Tuesday, June 03, 2008 at 16:27, paul womack wrote:
>>
>>> I've used "panorama" before,
>> My versions of hugin (the oldest is 0.7 beta 5) don't have "Panorama"
>> :-( Which version do you use?
>
> About gives me 0.7.0
>
>>> My pano is being wrapped top-to-bottom, and opposed to the nice 360
>>> wrap round I want.
>>> So - how do I control this?

It appears my optimiser had got stuck in a "loop"

resetting all the images to be 0,0,0, and then setting
roll to 270 (to allow for the portrait mode
when taking the shots) and re-optimising
suddenly gave me what I wanted.

Thanks to all who helped.

    BugBear

Quoting Roger Berry <onezebra1@...>:

> Here's another large panoramic view showing the golden city of
> Jaisalmer, on the northwest fringe of India in the Thar Desert.
> http://www.gigapan.org/viewGigapan.php?id=5757

In those hippy days I recall being on the kyber pass and the sky went green
there in the distance was a little cloud which was making it's very own
thunderstorm.

regrads

mick

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Quoting Roger Berry <onezebra1@...>:

> Here's another large panoramic view showing the golden city of
> Jaisalmer, on the northwest fringe of India in the Thar Desert.
> http://www.gigapan.org/viewGigapan.php?id=5757

actually as you are there could you go to Benares and take some photos at
night.
regards

mick

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Hi Michael,

Download the latest version
http://www.devalvr.com/instalacion/detectvr.zip , I did some changes
to work with DOCTYPE DTD XHTML 1.x, in this package you can see the
example "example viewer selection links.html" with the DOCTYPE:

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"
    "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">

detectvr.js will work correctly if you add this code to your CSS file
or  <style> tag (this code "fix" a problem in IExplorer to get the
window size):

html,body { width:100%; height:100% }

You can see the source code of "example viewer selection links.html" page.


regards!
fiero



--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, aiwetir <aiwetir@...> wrote:
>
> i'm using the doctype
>
> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
>
> based on the panotools wiki and my own experimenting along with
> Fiero's detectvr.js script.
>
>
> this doctype puts browsers in quirks mode which prevents most other
> nifty javascripts from working.
>
> my question is, is there some other valid doctype that will show
> movies (qt and swf) properly with detectvr.js ?
>
>
> cheers
> michael medina
> http://pdxvr.com
> http://medina-photo.com
>

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "fierodeval" <fierodeval@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Michael,
>
> Download the latest version
> http://www.devalvr.com/instalacion/detectvr.zip , I did some changes
> to work with DOCTYPE DTD XHTML 1.x, in this package you can see the
> example "example viewer selection links.html" with the DOCTYPE:
>
> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"
>    "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
>
> detectvr.js will work correctly if you add this code to your CSS file
> or  <style> tag (this code "fix" a problem in IExplorer to get the
> window size):
>

Hi Fiero

All your examples gives me Quicktime in Safari  what ever I choose.
Safari 3.1.1

In Firefox the detection works but SPiV does not display.
Both version 2.0 and 3

Hans

Rick Drew wrote:
> Actually QuickTime Pro does crossfade - that's the default.
I thought that with QT it was possible to store as just a sequence of
images and set it to have the player do the fading and save a tone of
intermediate frames from being stored.  I don't have QT pro to test.

You could use PowerPoint to do this.


--
Jim Watters

jwatters @ photocreations . ca
http://photocreations.ca