--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Martin <360cities@...> wrote:
>
> I don't see that. But overall I'm not happy with Flash 10. It sucks
> every ounce of my one year-old dual-core processor, and the frame rate
> of panos is lower. I'd rather have the wavy lines of flash 9. I hope
> they improve flash 10 soon.
>

Thats because he has the stupid idea that the movequality should be high by
default.
Denis has done the same for FPP which means I also need to change the
motionQuality2 to
low when updating to the flash 10 viewer

I can see that the KRPano developer (sorry can not remember his name) claims
that he did
it because it is no difference.
Really if it was no difference between low and high why the h... does he supply
us with a
special setting for the Flash 10 quality.

I checked the difference on my Mac in Fullscreen  and framerate on my old
DualCore G5 is
only 14 with High quality but 19 with low.
If I change to Flash 9 I get only 9 for HIGH quality and 14 for LOW

So my Framerate is faster with KRPano Flash 10

Hans

Hi All,

I take back my recommendation of Rosco Cinegels, they aren't true ND
filters, there is a red shift and you can see this on the color
information on their website (and my test photos).  They degrade the
image also.  I wouldn't even use them in a pinch.

Michael Medina
http://pdxvr.com
http://medina-photo.com


On 26 Feb 2009, at 06:58, robert_harshman wrote:

> HI All,
>
> A couple of notes on this little project. First those of you
> contacting me offline with interest please note I need to know your
> lens choice as the sizes for a Sigma 8mm and Nikon 10.5 are slightly
> different. Unfortunately the Nikon is 2mm too big to cut up the 3 by 3
> inch gel efficiently so they will cost more. If you have some other
> lens that you want to try this with, I need to know the exact mm for
> the size.
>
> The first test of this will only include a Kodak Wratten ND 3.0
> filter, I just ordered one. It only lets in 1% and is estimated at 10
> stops. This may be the beginning and end of this test for me.
>
> And Roscoe Cinagels sample packs can still be found, you don't even
> have to leave home to get one. B&H has them for the ridiculous price
> of 1 cent, plus shipping. But these are really for lights, not lenses,
> so I'm assuming they would degrade the images quality quite a bit
> compared to the Kodak wratten filters and as you might guess, I want
> really, really long exposures for this test.
>
> Also, while I swear I saw it somewhere, Kodak does NOT make 20 or 30
> stop ND filters. the highest they go is a 4.0 which lets in 1/10 of
> 1%, estimated to be 13.5 stops and this is a special order items that
> no one seems to carry in-stock if they carry it at all. so, the 3.0
> ten stop ND is on it's way.
>
> Regards,
>
> Robert
>
> And Phil, I'm in Austin at this moment and perhaps Precision is worth
> a look too, but I doubt they have a 3.0 ND in stock as it's a
> relatively rare item.
>
>



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--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Roger D. Williams" <roger@...> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 04:01:34 +0900, tksharpless <TKSharpless@...>
> wrote:
>
> > --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Roger D. Williams" <roger@>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks, Tom. I appreciate the answer in his list, as it is my main
> >> source of panorama information. I really like the ability that
> >> your "sandwich" gives me to display panoramas in a more visually
> >> acceptable way... And it is a fun tool, too!
> >>
> >> Roger W.
> >
> > Now if only it were good to eat, too... :->
>
> Well, it's good enough to eat!
>
> > Seriously, I think we will soon be seeing lots of 150 - 200 degree
> > wide views that are not just "more visually acceptable" but downright
> > natural looking.
> >
> > Have a look at http://www.flickr.com/groups/vedutismo/pool/ for the
> > first examples of the "new vedutismo".
>
> Some of these are said to have been debulged and/or math-mapped to make
> them look more natural.
>
> Is that capability going to become a part of Panini (the program)?
>
> Roger W.
>

Yes, it is.  It will be a bit more flexible than the Mathmap script,
and way easier to use.  Take a while, though.

-- Tom

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "tksharpless" <TKSharpless@...> wrote:
>
> OooPs, sorry again.  Forgot to post the file -- it is there now.
> I guess you really need MM3 (or is it MM2? anyhow the latest one) on
> Linux to run it.
>

Having now actually looked, I see that the latest version of MathMap
is 1.3 and the one available for Windows is 1.2.  PVFlat does require
version 1.3.

-- Tom

I've been playing around with a Java object viewer.

It takes a zip archive with jpeg, gif or png files.  Shows them
in the order loaded in the zip archive.  Gif and png supports transparency.
Jpeg does not.

Click/Drag mouse to rotate.  The farther you drag, the faster it rotates in
the direction you drag.

To AutoRotate, use Left/Right arrow keys.

That's pretty much all it does.  I'm trying to keep it minimal.  The
Java viewer is about 22kb.
f
I'm using the Cow that someone posted in this group a while ago.  My apologies
but I've forgotten who did that.  Whoever posted the Cow, tell me what
attribution and website you would like the viewer linked to and I'll fix it up
so that the viewer shows the correct attribution and will open your website
when it's clicked.

     http://pancyl.com/Cow.htm

Ken

tom_a_sparks wrote:
> I am looking ptviewer/ptoject like
> or are there any tutorials on ptobject
>
> http://users.telenet.be/kim1-6502/pics/ptobject/kuifje2bs.html
> http://www.all-in-one.ee/~dersch/PTVJ/helpers.html
>
> --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Henri Smeets <henri@...> wrote:
>
>>
>>I guess  http://gardengnomesoftware.com/object2vr.php Garden Gnomes
>
> Object2VR
>
>>should be an option!
>>
>>Henri
>>--
>>View this message in context:
>
> http://www.nabble.com/objectVR-viewers-tp22219440p22219687.html
>
>>Sent from the PanoToolsNG mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>
>
>
>
>

Sorry Ken,

"Object Movie Creation Failed"

WinXP Pro SP2, Firefox 3.0.6, Java6SE build 1.6.0_11_b03

Kind regards,

Erik Leeman

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Ken Warner wrote:
>
> I've been playing around with a Java object viewer.
> ...snip...
> http://pancyl.com/Cow.htm
> ...snip...
> Ken

Kathy Wheeler wrote:

> It certainly did Mark, at least with Mac Mail. It's certainly quicker
> and easier than running off to tinyurl

You can put tinyURL as bookmarklet into your toolbar, which is very fast
and convenient: http://tinyurl.com/#toolbar

This works for other pages, too. Put this line
javascript:void(location.href='http://wiki.panotools.org/Special:Search?search='\
+document.getSelection()+'&go=Go')
in the location field of a bookmark and you get instant search of a
selected word in the panotools wiki :-)

--
Erik Krause
http://www.erik-krause.de

I've output 3 16-bit TIF's of a pano shot +/-2EV - enfused them, and wanted
to adjust the white balance in PS3 - I'm running into a problem across the
180° boundary... it's showing a visible seam - any suggestions for workflow
or tools to make this happen?  TIA - Blake


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Blake Michaelson wrote:

> I've output 3 16-bit TIF's of a pano shot +/-2EV - enfused them, and wanted
> to adjust the white balance in PS3 - I'm running into a problem across the
> 180° boundary... it's showing a visible seam - any suggestions for workflow
> or tools to make this happen?

Where the panos ok before enfusing? Where they ok immediately after
enfusing? If not, did you specify the -w switch in order to enfuse
around the +/-180° seam?

White balance is a global operation, hence it should not create any seam
problem. Didn't you do any local operations like shadows/highlights,
large radius USM etc.?

--
Erik Krause
http://www.erik-krause.de

I just loaded the RAW files into PTGui 8.1, made a template from the 0 EV,
applied the template to the +/-2EV's...  each of the resulting panos was off
on color cast, but figured I could correct the final image rather than mess
with 3 individual images - I enfused (with your 360° droplet batch file -
thanks btw) and came up with a pretty good image, just the wrong color cast
and WB... everything is too warm.

I can correct the image to my liking in CS3 (the only thing I'm doing is
defining the white point via CTL-L, and selecting a white point with the
dropper), but when I export that to a jpg for use in krpano I end up with a
very visible seam across the 180° boundary...

Currently playing with the 3 exposures and photomatix to see what i can come
up with, but definitely prefer the look of enfuse...

On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Erik Krause <erik.krause@...> wrote:

>   Blake Michaelson wrote:
>
> > I've output 3 16-bit TIF's of a pano shot +/-2EV - enfused them, and
> wanted
> > to adjust the white balance in PS3 - I'm running into a problem across
> the
> > 180° boundary... it's showing a visible seam - any suggestions for
> workflow
> > or tools to make this happen?
>
> Where the panos ok before enfusing? Where they ok immediately after
> enfusing? If not, did you specify the -w switch in order to enfuse
> around the +/-180° seam?
>
> White balance is a global operation, hence it should not create any seam
> problem. Didn't you do any local operations like shadows/highlights,
> large radius USM etc.?
>
> --
> Erik Krause
> http://www.erik-krause.de
>
>


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--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Blake Michaelson <blake.michaelson@...>
wrote:
>
> I've output 3 16-bit TIF's of a pano shot +/-2EV - enfused them, and wanted
> to adjust the white balance in PS3 - I'm running into a problem across the
> 180° boundary... it's showing a visible seam - any suggestions for workflow
> or tools to make this happen?  TIA - Blake
>

180 degree boundary?

I assume you men the 360 degree boundary.
180 is the zenith.

Hans

That's odd.  There were problems with 6u11.  Click on the Java icon
in the right hand corner and update your Java when you have time.

I had FF3 installed -- for a day.  Was very unstable on my machine.

Not trying to point fingers.  Just offering perspective.

erik leeman wrote:
> Sorry Ken,
>
> "Object Movie Creation Failed"
>
> WinXP Pro SP2, Firefox 3.0.6, Java6SE build 1.6.0_11_b03
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Erik Leeman
>
> --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Ken Warner wrote:
>
>>I've been playing around with a Java object viewer.
>>...snip...
>>http://pancyl.com/Cow.htm
>>...snip...
>>Ken
>
>
>

THE seam - 0/360° is probably a better term

On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Hans Nyberg <hans@...> wrote:

>   --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com <PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Blake Michaelson <blake.michaelson@...> wrote:
> >
> > I've output 3 16-bit TIF's of a pano shot +/-2EV - enfused them, and
> wanted
> > to adjust the white balance in PS3 - I'm running into a problem across
> the
> > 180° boundary... it's showing a visible seam - any suggestions for
> workflow
> > or tools to make this happen? TIA - Blake
> >
>
> 180 degree boundary?
>
> I assume you men the 360 degree boundary.
> 180 is the zenith.
>
> Hans
>
>
>


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Roger,

That horse pano is just awesome. I really enjoy your panos :) Please
post more here on the list.

I only wish your "pano page" was a fluid size, to be bigger in my
browser window. The fullscreen on flash 10 is always too choppy for
me, with any site / flash pano viewer.



Jeffrey Martin


www.360cities.net - The World in Virtual Reality

tel. +420 608 076 502 / skype jeffrey.s.martin

http://twitter.com/360cities

Hans Nyberg wrote:

>
> 180 degree boundary?
>
> I assume you men the 360 degree boundary.

Depends on where you put the point of origin. If 0° is the center the
seam is at +/- 180°. Zenith would then be +90°, nadir -90°. This is how
Yaw and Pitch is used in panotools, PTGui and so on...

--
Erik Krause
http://www.erik-krause.de

Blake Michaelson wrote:

> I can correct the image to my liking in CS3 (the only thing I'm doing is
> defining the white point via CTL-L, and selecting a white point with the
> dropper), but when I export that to a jpg for use in krpano I end up with a
> very visible seam across the 180° boundary...

You can check the +/-180° seam inside photoshop already if you use the
offset filter on the flattened image (Filter->Other->Offset, check Wrap
Around and Preview and shift f.e. half the width). The CTL-L levels
adjustment (which BTW isn't a proper white balance) should by no means
cause the seam.

How did you shoot the images? AFAIK dcraw (from within PTGui) uses the
camera white balance hence if you shot them on auto white balance the
problem might be there. On the other hand the blender should eliminate
any hard seam. However, RAW file handling inside PTGui is not suitable
for high quality work anyway, hence I recommend using your favorite RAW
converter which would not only solve the white balance problem...

--
Erik Krause
http://www.erik-krause.de

I had a feeling somebody might say that about using PTGui with RAW... it was
just too easy!

Back to my old workflow of exporting RAW to 16-Bit TIFF...

BTW - where ARE you correcting the WB?  And what setting are you using on
your camera?

I was under the impression that the on-camera WB didn't affect the RAW -
only the JPG that was created...


On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Erik Krause <erik.krause@...> wrote:

>   Blake Michaelson wrote:
>
> > I can correct the image to my liking in CS3 (the only thing I'm doing is
> > defining the white point via CTL-L, and selecting a white point with the
> > dropper), but when I export that to a jpg for use in krpano I end up with
> a
> > very visible seam across the 180° boundary...
>
> You can check the +/-180° seam inside photoshop already if you use the
> offset filter on the flattened image (Filter->Other->Offset, check Wrap
> Around and Preview and shift f.e. half the width). The CTL-L levels
> adjustment (which BTW isn't a proper white balance) should by no means
> cause the seam.
>
> How did you shoot the images? AFAIK dcraw (from within PTGui) uses the
> camera white balance hence if you shot them on auto white balance the
> problem might be there. On the other hand the blender should eliminate
> any hard seam. However, RAW file handling inside PTGui is not suitable
> for high quality work anyway, hence I recommend using your favorite RAW
> converter which would not only solve the white balance problem...
>
> --
> Erik Krause
> http://www.erik-krause.de
>
>


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Those gells are for use on lights not on lenses.

As you've noted .. they're not optical quality.

They are not sold for any uses but light gels.



The cine industry uses high quality glass ND filter that are color neutral.



Chris Thomas

Photographer

cell... 604-649-5352

(Vancouver)

In North America

1-800-870-5110

  <http://www.christhomas.com/> http://www.christhomas.com



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From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of aiwetir
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 2:28 PM
To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PanoToolsNG] Re: ND filters, shared expense?



Hi All,

I take back my recommendation of Rosco Cinegels, they aren't true ND
filters, there is a red shift and you can see this on the color
information on their website (and my test photos). They degrade the
image also. I wouldn't even use them in a pinch.

Michael Medina
http://pdxvr. <http://pdxvr.com> com
http://medina- <http://medina-photo.com> photo.com

snip

.


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Am Thursday, February 26, 2009 um 15:03 schrieb Blake Michaelson:

> BTW - where ARE you correcting the WB?  And what setting are you using
> on your camera?

Depends. Easy subjects can be shot with fixed WB - either a preset or
measured from a white card (or a piece of paper). Difficult subjects
are better adjusted individually in RAW converter.


> I was under the impression that the on-camera WB didn't affect the RAW -
> only the JPG that was created...

That's true. But the WB setting is stored in Metadata as well. Since
PTGui doesn't allow to adjust WB during RAW conversion it tells dcraw
to use this stored WB.

best regards
--
Erik Krause
Offenburger Str. 33
79108 Freiburg

Thanks Erik - good knowledge to know!

I was using the latest enfuse 360° droplets from here:
http://www.erik-krause.de/enfuse_droplets.zip

I am using the enfuse_droplet_360 as my droplet of choice...

If I use the offset filter to view THE seam of an equi - each source image
0EV, +2EV and -2EV - none of them have a seam.

If I drop each of these TIFF equi's onto the enfuse_droplet_360, open the
resulting _enfused TIFF in PS3, and use the offset filter - I end up with a
visible deviation on the blended seam...  any suggestions?



On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Erik Krause <erik.krause@...> wrote:

>   Am Thursday, February 26, 2009 um 15:03 schrieb Blake Michaelson:
>
>
> > BTW - where ARE you correcting the WB? And what setting are you using
> > on your camera?
>
> Depends. Easy subjects can be shot with fixed WB - either a preset or
> measured from a white card (or a piece of paper). Difficult subjects
> are better adjusted individually in RAW converter.
>
> > I was under the impression that the on-camera WB didn't affect the RAW -
> > only the JPG that was created...
>
> That's true. But the WB setting is stored in Metadata as well. Since
> PTGui doesn't allow to adjust WB during RAW conversion it tells dcraw
> to use this stored WB.
>
> best regards
> --
> Erik Krause
> Offenburger Str. 33
> 79108 Freiburg
>
>
>


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One additional bit of info - if I use Ingemar's EnfuseGui with the -180/+180
option checked - I do not get the seam error... perhaps my droplet batch
file is corrupt?

On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Blake Michaelson <
blake.michaelson@...> wrote:

> Thanks Erik - good knowledge to know!
>
> I was using the latest enfuse 360° droplets from here:
> http://www.erik-krause.de/enfuse_droplets.zip
>
> I am using the enfuse_droplet_360 as my droplet of choice...
>
> If I use the offset filter to view THE seam of an equi - each source image
> 0EV, +2EV and -2EV - none of them have a seam.
>
> If I drop each of these TIFF equi's onto the enfuse_droplet_360, open the
> resulting _enfused TIFF in PS3, and use the offset filter - I end up with a
> visible deviation on the blended seam...  any suggestions?
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Erik Krause <erik.krause@...> wrote:
>
>>   Am Thursday, February 26, 2009 um 15:03 schrieb Blake Michaelson:
>>
>>
>> > BTW - where ARE you correcting the WB? And what setting are you using
>> > on your camera?
>>
>> Depends. Easy subjects can be shot with fixed WB - either a preset or
>> measured from a white card (or a piece of paper). Difficult subjects
>> are better adjusted individually in RAW converter.
>>
>> > I was under the impression that the on-camera WB didn't affect the RAW -
>> > only the JPG that was created...
>>
>> That's true. But the WB setting is stored in Metadata as well. Since
>> PTGui doesn't allow to adjust WB during RAW conversion it tells dcraw
>> to use this stored WB.
>>
>> best regards
>> --
>> Erik Krause
>> Offenburger Str. 33
>> 79108 Freiburg
>>
>>
>>
>
>


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Hi Jeffrey,

I do these panos in high quality and low quality so people with slow
connections and older computers can enjoy them too.
When shooting the horse pano and a lot of the others I was also
shooting HD video at the same time, you can see the camcorder when
looking down in the dancing horse pano.

Here are the photos I've gotten done so far from this last trip to
India.
Use the buttons at the lower right of the panos for going to the
next one.
More will be added later.

Nagaur Cattle Fair. Dancing horse and dancing camel competition.
http://indiavrtours.com/nagaur/dancing_horse4.html

Jaisalmer Desert Festival. Camel parade staging area near the lake,
and following the camels going through town to the fort. This link
has about 5 photos.
http://indiavrtours.com/jaisalmer/camel_staging4.html

Here are some other views from around the Jama Masjid and Red Fort
in Delhi. This link has about 6 photos.
http://indiavrtours.com/delhi/jama_masjid_tower4.html

Cheers,
Roger Berry


--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Martin <360cities@...>
wrote:
>
> Roger,
>
> That horse pano is just awesome. I really enjoy your panos :)
Please
> post more here on the list.
>
> I only wish your "pano page" was a fluid size, to be bigger in my
> browser window. The fullscreen on flash 10 is always too choppy for
> me, with any site / flash pano viewer.
>
>
>
> Jeffrey Martin
>
>
> www.360cities.net - The World in Virtual Reality
>
> tel. +420 608 076 502 / skype jeffrey.s.martin
>
> http://twitter.com/360cities
>

Blake Michaelson wrote:

> I was using the latest enfuse 360° droplets from here:
> http://www.erik-krause.de/enfuse_droplets.zip

My apologies! For one or the other reason the version in the zip was
missing the relevant switch. Please download again, it should work now...

--
Erik Krause
http://www.erik-krause.de

I seem to keep getting the files from Tuesday, April 08, 2008, 10:57:00 PM
on the enfuse_droplet_360... still gives me a seam error...

On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Erik Krause <erik.krause@...> wrote:

>   Blake Michaelson wrote:
>
> > I was using the latest enfuse 360° droplets from here:
> > http://www.erik-krause.de/enfuse_droplets.zip
>
> My apologies! For one or the other reason the version in the zip was
> missing the relevant switch. Please download again, it should work now...
>
> --
> Erik Krause
> http://www.erik-krause.de
>
>


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http://bbayles.googlepages.com/antivundo.html

Firefox cannot load certain web sites (Vundo trojan)

On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Ken Warner <kwarner000@...> wrote:

> http://bbayles.googlepages.com/antivundo.html
>
> Firefox cannot load certain web sites (Vundo trojan)


Jesus Christ
Easier,
Just
GET A MAC   :-)





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--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Blake Michaelson
<blake.michaelson@...> wrote:
>
> I seem to keep getting the files from Tuesday, April 08, 2008,
> 10:57:00 PM on the enfuse_droplet_360...

Maybe there's a cacheing problem.  I just downloaded the zip file and
found that the enblend_droplet_360.bat has a date stamp of 27/02/09.

John

Hi all,

I had not posted a notice here yet, but recently PTGui 8.1 was released.
Among the new features are a Batch Builder in the Pro version and
several new projections.

Details can be found here:
http://www.ptgui.com/versionhistory.html

Download here:
http://www.ptgui.com/download.html

Joost

Robert Harshman wrote:
>
> I'm planning to buy some ND filters; a 10, 20, and 30 stop Kodak
> gelatin filters. They are expensive considering you have to buy at
> least a 3 by 3 inch square for about $50-60 US.
>

For special requests you can ask www.Heliopan.de / info at heliopan.de


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--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Krueger <krueger@...> wrote:

> For special requests you can ask www.Heliopan.de / info at heliopan.de

thanks Thomas, but they only make very high quality glass filters from
what I can tell, the nikon 10.5 and Sigma 8 require a gelatin filter
for their back location. At least I don't think you could put glass in
their, a bit too thick.

But they do make great filters, I have one of their 77mm circular
polarizing filters and it's great - but very expensive.

And FYI - if you've not emailed me already then I'm afraid its too
late, all the little bits of gelatin are spoken for.

Regards,

Robert