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--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Robert Fisher <bob@...> wrote:
>
> Last time I checked the ladybug is $25k. I am talking about 3-4 still
> cameras with lenses. cosumer cameras and the ladybug don't have the
> resolution but if your goal is to do the same as Streetview then
> that's a pretty low standard of quality. I would aim higher.
>
> Also I would bet that crazy looking lens has a mirror in it otherwise
> the image would be shaped differently.
>
> On Jul 1, 2009, at 12:37 PM, Jan Martin wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > thanks for your input.
> >
> > Ken:
> > I am aware of the GoPro cameras.
> >
> > One would "just" have to solve these problems:
> > - Reliably adjust the cameras so one could use same templates for
> > hugin all
> > the time.
> > - Arrange power supply while in water-proof casing.
> > - Control 4 cameras to fire at once.
> > - Get the pictures out of 4 cameras without disassembling everything.
> >
> > And yes, I need drivers very soon, but you need to bring your own
> > car and
> > gas. ;)
> >
> > Robert:
> > Of course I could spend more.
> > But I am building a prototype and complete workflow for a grass-root
> > project.
> > So a 15.000 USD entry fee for a Ladybug rig is a pretty hight
> > hurdle for
> > anyone to join.
> >
> > There is no mirror, just a crazy-looking lens. And I get an better
> > one in a
> > few months.
> >
> > 6.000- 16.000 USD that is the price range of a Ladybug rig.
> > Therefore I wouldn't construct a rig for that money myself anymore.
> >
> > The example pictures have been taken from a moving car, so no
> > motion blur
> > problem at all.
> >
> > Mark:
> > GPS-idea not going to work for lots of GPS reasons.
> > Periscope idea not working for lots of die-hard-math optical reasons.
> >
> > There is a commercial solution for the periscope idea of yours. Its
> > 50.000
> > USD minimum. Used on aircraft carriers mostly. So no luck.
> >
> > All you can hope for is to put 3 or 4 cameras back to back and do
> > the best
> > (e.g. blending) to cover for parallax problems arising from that
> > scenario.
> >
> > Jan
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> Cheers
> Robert Fisher
> VR Photography / Cinematography
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
There is a community of radio controlled model aeroplane fanatics interested in
monitoring their flights in realtime via a video feed and they are working on
hacking the cheap Aiptek A-HD+ video camera so that the tiny camera sensor part
of the video camera can be detached and tethered with a cable to the rest of the
camera. This sensor has a M12 lens mount and can be fitted with a miniature
Sunex fisheye lens. Quality for stills and video with this is much better in my
tests than the GoPro. (5M stills) When the detaching problem is solved (soon
apparently) it will be possible to build a 3 lens fisheye module that will fit
in a 1" cube I think (for about $1000US). The only problem then will be
overriding the automatic exposure of the camera.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=936068&page=44


Peter M

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "panovrx" <panovrx@...> wrote:
>

> > I have made a two handed camera grip for use with my laser plum bob (and
general overhead handheld use)
> > http://www.mediavr.com/lasergrip.jpg
> >
> > The idea is you stand a little behind the laser pointer (so your stomach
doesnt obstruct the beam -- motivation to not get fat) and hold the camera
overhead so that the beam goes between your arms and hits the underneath of the
lens. It is easy to find the beam because you are holding the camera
symmetrically. It is possible to hold the beam on the required spot without too
much effort to within a few mm. But you have to keep looking at it really to
keep it there. So not ideal but pretty good for very accurate stitching with
just a handheld grip and a laser gadget. You can take sharp shots with it down
to about 1/50th.
> >

I did some tests yesterday (at a local Chinese Garden) with the laser plumbbob
(Dewalt)and two handed camera grip. You can see from my shadow in a couple of
them what's going on. There were a couple of issues but generally the
stitchability was very good for handheld panoramas. First issue, hard to see the
laser dot on the underneath of the lens when looking into the sun. Second issue,
I had put the laser in a camera bag (so it didnt look conspicuous), and as the
breeze blew it made the bag move and the laser swing. Indoors, with no wind, if
you concentrate hard you can keep the dot right where it should be and get
almost perfect stitching but outdoors it is harder to do that. Here are the
panoramas straight as they came out of PTGui without retouching or nadir shot
incorporation.
http://www.mediavr.com/flash/chinagarden2.htm
http://www.mediavr.com/flash/chinagarden4.htm
http://www.mediavr.com/flash/chinagarden5.htm

Peter M

When I started in this business back in the mid-90s you didn't have to
choose between cylindricals and sphericals because cylindricals were all
that were available via QTVRAS the tool I was using at the time.
Several years ago sphericals became popular, and they certainly have
their place, like inside buildings, but I always felt like those pixels
in the sky and the dirt at your feet were wasted, that my customers were
better served with a panorama of a view from the top of a mountain with
a strip cylindrical shot with a 50 mm lens than they were with spherical
image shot with a 15 mm, or even worse, with the advent of the DX
format, a 10 mm lens.  But sometimes sphericals are really good, even
for scenery, like for example, at the edge of the abyss at Toroweap at
the Grand Canyon.

Well, on my current project, a CD offering VR Illustrated Topo Maps of
the Sierra Nevada, I have been stuck for a couple of weeks on a panorama
shot at the top of New Army Pass, a few miles south of the Mt. Whitney
uplift.  The views from there are incredibly expansive, and I had shot a
3 row with a 50 mm lens and my D200 at its highest NEF resolution.  When
I input the finished cylinder to Pano2VR, it crashed repeatedly.  Then,
this afternoon I tried cropping the stitched image down to more of a
cylindrical orientation, getting rid of a lot of clear blue sky and some
nondescript rocks at my feet (no plants grow at the pass, it's too
elevated) and now Pano2VR is able to produce a pretty good panorama.

The Black Kaweahs, a strange and very remote range, rises about 30 miles
distant from New Army Pass, and that's what I used as a marker to decide
when the image could not be reduced any further without losing important
detail.  So I just sized the image down with Photoshop's Image command
until the Black Kaweah started to diminish more than I wanted and then
started cropping out sky and rock until it worked.  Now Pano2VR is able
to produce a pretty good panorama from a source tiff 26880 x 2920.

But there is a noticeable degradation of the image.  What is Pano2VR
doing to the image between the tif and the .swf?  Could I be making
manual steps in creating the pieces of the spherical, or whatever it
does, to maintain image detail better than the automated functions of
Pano2VR?

So I proved to myself what I have long felt, that there is still good
reason for cylindrical panoramas in the scenic art photography world.
Now if I could just figure out how to keep Pano2VR from turning the
image into a piece of crap I would be happy.

Paul Fretheim

Some of you didn't make it to the Neverland Ranch for the Michael Jackson media
circus today.  I enjoyed seeing all of the equipment and talking to some of the
professionals there.
When I got there no-parking signs were being placed along the road for miles,
when leaving they had set up a road block about 2 miles away and were not
allowing anyone down the road.  Here's my first pano, sorry the quality setting
had to be set low in Photoshop and even the file is larger that I would like.
http://www.indiavrtours.com/vrphotos/jackson4.html

Hi Paul

What interpolation filter do you use in Pano2VR?

regards!
fiero

Well, gee whiz.  It might be helpful to be abit more technically specific as to
which settings you used to create your pano2vr output image.

Which version of pano2vr are you using?
What format are your original images?
What stitching software did you use to stitch your panorama?
What file size and was it 8bit or 16bit Tif?

There are a lot of preliminary issues that might have caused your concerns.

Is your browser using Flash Version 10?

Help us ... just bit more.

You might help us by replying here in this forum or in the Pano2vr forum.

Our first panorama were taken back in 1989.

dave still at 360texas.com

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Paul Fretheim <paul@...> wrote:
>
> When I started in this business back in the mid-90s you didn't have to
> choose between cylindricals and sphericals because cylindricals were all
> that were available via QTVRAS the tool I was using at the time.
> Several years ago sphericals became popular, and they certainly have
> their place, like inside buildings, but I always felt like those pixels
> in the sky and the dirt at your feet were wasted, that my customers were
> better served with a panorama of a view from the top of a mountain with
> a strip cylindrical shot with a 50 mm lens than they were with spherical
> image shot with a 15 mm, or even worse, with the advent of the DX
> format, a 10 mm lens.  But sometimes sphericals are really good, even
> for scenery, like for example, at the edge of the abyss at Toroweap at
> the Grand Canyon.
>
> Well, on my current project, a CD offering VR Illustrated Topo Maps of
> the Sierra Nevada, I have been stuck for a couple of weeks on a panorama
> shot at the top of New Army Pass, a few miles south of the Mt. Whitney
> uplift.  The views from there are incredibly expansive, and I had shot a
> 3 row with a 50 mm lens and my D200 at its highest NEF resolution.  When
> I input the finished cylinder to Pano2VR, it crashed repeatedly.  Then,
> this afternoon I tried cropping the stitched image down to more of a
> cylindrical orientation, getting rid of a lot of clear blue sky and some
> nondescript rocks at my feet (no plants grow at the pass, it's too
> elevated) and now Pano2VR is able to produce a pretty good panorama.
>
> The Black Kaweahs, a strange and very remote range, rises about 30 miles
> distant from New Army Pass, and that's what I used as a marker to decide
> when the image could not be reduced any further without losing important
> detail.  So I just sized the image down with Photoshop's Image command
> until the Black Kaweah started to diminish more than I wanted and then
> started cropping out sky and rock until it worked.  Now Pano2VR is able
> to produce a pretty good panorama from a source tiff 26880 x 2920.
>
> But there is a noticeable degradation of the image.  What is Pano2VR
> doing to the image between the tif and the .swf?  Could I be making
> manual steps in creating the pieces of the spherical, or whatever it
> does, to maintain image detail better than the automated functions of
> Pano2VR?
>
> So I proved to myself what I have long felt, that there is still good
> reason for cylindrical panoramas in the scenic art photography world.
> Now if I could just figure out how to keep Pano2VR from turning the
> image into a piece of crap I would be happy.
>
> Paul Fretheim
>

On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 08:04:46 +0900, panovrx <panovrx@...> wrote:

> --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "panovrx" <panovrx@...> wrote:
>>
>
>> > I have made a two handed camera grip for use with my laser plum bob
>> (and general overhead handheld use)
>> > http://www.mediavr.com/lasergrip.jpg
>> >
>> > The idea is you stand a little behind the laser pointer (so your
>> stomach doesnt obstruct the beam -- motivation to not get fat) and hold
>> the camera overhead so that the beam goes between your arms and hits
>> the underneath of the lens. It is easy to find the beam because you are
>> holding the camera symmetrically. It is possible to hold the beam on
>> the required spot without too much effort to within a few mm. But you
>> have to keep looking at it really to keep it there. So not ideal but
>> pretty good for very accurate stitching with just a handheld grip and a
>> laser gadget. You can take sharp shots with it down to about 1/50th.
>> >
>
> I did some tests yesterday (at a local Chinese Garden) with the laser
> plumbbob (Dewalt)and two handed camera grip. You can see from my shadow
> in a couple of them what's going on. There were a couple of issues but
> generally the stitchability was very good for handheld panoramas. First
> issue, hard to see the laser dot on the underneath of the lens when
> looking into the sun. Second issue, I had put the laser in a camera bag
> (so it didnt look conspicuous), and as the breeze blew it made the bag
> move and the laser swing. Indoors, with no wind, if you concentrate hard
> you can keep the dot right where it should be and get almost perfect
> stitching but outdoors it is harder to do that. Here are the panoramas
> straight as they came out of PTGui without retouching or nadir shot
> incorporation.
> http://www.mediavr.com/flash/chinagarden2.htm
> http://www.mediavr.com/flash/chinagarden4.htm
> http://www.mediavr.com/flash/chinagarden5.htm

Wow! Very impressive demonstration of concept. Beautiful spot for panoramas
and amazing results without either retouching or nadir fixing.

I was letting alll this "laser this and that" go past me, thinking all
the while "not for me..." but now I think I'll have to check it out.
Especially as I prefer handheld to monopod and monopod to tripod. I
guess it would be more difficult for panoramas that require more shots
to square the circle--like the 10.5mm Nikor on my Fujifilm S5 Pro,
which requires six around plus up and/or down...

Roger W.

--
Work: www.adex-japan.com

I have been working on a multi-camera rig for shooting panorama video.
I used inexpensive web-cams because we already had them.
http://photocreations.ca/panhead/index.html


Jim Watters

http://photocreations.ca


Jan Martin wrote:
> I'd like to do a kind of Google streetview website and therefore need to
> take a panos every 1 second.
> From rooftop of a moving car, motorbike, bicycle or on foot.
> Alternatives (that are robust enough)?
>
> Thanks,
> Jan

Here's showing the more down to earth human side of this event.
http://www.indiavrtours.com/vrphotos/michael4.html

Roger Berry

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Berry" <onezebra1@...> wrote:
>
> Some of you didn't make it to the Neverland Ranch for the Michael Jackson
media circus today.  I enjoyed seeing all of the equipment and talking to some
of the professionals there.
> When I got there no-parking signs were being placed along the road for miles,
when leaving they had set up a road block about 2 miles away and were not
allowing anyone down the road.  Here's my first pano, sorry the quality setting
had to be set low in Photoshop and even the file is larger that I would like.
> http://www.indiavrtours.com/vrphotos/jackson4.html
>

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas Demolliens" <bemol73@...> wrote:
>
> You can check my latest project that was delivered a few days ago to the
official website of Champs Elysées in Paris: www.champselysees.org/365visit
> In a few words, almost 1000 spherical panoramas taken by Daniel Donzel
(CyclopeVR) with a Roundshot D3 in one day, lots of PS postproduction as the
weather was partly coudly, WebWalk technology to get the walktrough effect.
> Your opinion?
> Thomas (www.immersium.fr)

[resending 4rd time (this time using web interface), 4 day and post has not
shown up]

I have seen the NeuStep viewer before, to show a hotel walkthrough so I was
familiar with the interface.
I have a current interest in creating immersive videos, and figuring out how to
interact with them.

I found it did not take very long to down load the hi res version, only took a
few seconds.  I did interrupt the low res version because I started panning
after a second.  But still had have of the frames.

Once you go full screen there are no buttons to get the High res version.
The files are not locally cached, so had to be downloaded each time. The High
res version is not high enough.

I did not notice the map for a long time.  I was already familiar with the
interface and did not read the instructions.  An overlay with the current
position and directions would be best.

The following mostly come from my comments on another list ([1]vrscripting)
about another NeuStep project:

As a observer I often want to see what something looks like from a particular
spot. The panoramic viewers (or walkthrough) that add hot spots to move the
point-of-view to an adjacent location often jumps too much and I no longer have
any idea of where I am in relation to the previous location.
- No smooth transition.
- The original direction is not maintained
- It jumps through walls to some other location.

As a creator I to want to be doing the next big thing.

Google Street View is good because the distance to the next node is predictable.
There is a nice zoom effect that reflects the the next
location that does not force the viewer to be pointing in the direction they
must travel. There are choices at each intersection. The nadir is filled in with
an image taken from an adjacent location. It could all be improved. Better
resolution. Less parallax in there camera setup. More nodes. They need to
reverse the mouse movements to first person style! (Question posted to Google
Maps Feature Requests/Suggestion forum.)

Google's most recent improvements to Street View has implemented semi-3D "Smart
Navigation," which makes your virtual walking a lot easier

Google's new Smart Navigation system has your cursor mapped on a rough
3D model of the scene, with a convincing sense of depth. Just click
where you want to go, and Street View takes you there, making the
transition with an unexpectedly convincing pseudo-3D effect.

http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2009/06/introducing-smart-navigation-in-stree\
t.html

Showing Champs Elysées in Paris
<http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Champs+Elys%C3%A9es\
+Paris&mrt=kmlkmz&sll=51.532101,-0.177391&sspn=0,359.991535&ie=UTF8&t=h&layer=c&\
cbll=48.869217,2.309345&panoid=DW-JGEaiWzT1TW-0Q5zBQg&cbp=12,227.81,,0,-2.72&ll=\
48.869097,2.309757&spn=0,359.987447&z=17>
or
http://tinyurl.com/kl8dtr

If there is only a forward or backward movement, then
http://www.neustep.com/ is ok. The gray line indicating the direction
helps but I would prefer a physical line on the floor showing the
entire  path. The scale on  the side give no indication of the position of the
camera.  Google Street View is much more intuitive.

Why limit the view to only yaw and rotate; there are many more degrees
of freedom to explore.


[1]vrscripting   http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/vrscripting/

--
Jim Watters

jwatters @ photocreations . ca
http://photocreations.ca

Congratulations Jim!

Seems you managed to do what Bill Meikle over at
http://www.vrhotwires.com/InexpensivePanoramicVideo.html
gave up on.

In the end he purchased a Ladybug rig and went on 6 month around-the-world
trip with his family.

I thought about a rig like yours.

However I would have gone for circuit board cameras with a proper lens mount
and machine the rack from a block of aluminum.

Given your experience, what camera and setup would you got for when doing it
again?

Jan

On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 6:25 AM, Jim Watters <jwatters@...>wrote:

>
>
> I have been working on a multi-camera rig for shooting panorama video.
> I used inexpensive web-cams because we already had them.
> http://photocreations.ca/panhead/index.html
>
> Jim Watters
>
> http://photocreations.ca
>
>
> Jan Martin wrote:
> > I'd like to do a kind of Google streetview website and therefore need to
> > take a panos every 1 second.
> > From rooftop of a moving car, motorbike, bicycle or on foot.
> > Alternatives (that are robust enough)?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jan
>
>


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--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Paul Fretheim <paul@...> wrote:
>
> When I started in this business back in the mid-90s you didn't have to
> choose between cylindricals and sphericals because cylindricals were all
> that were available via QTVRAS the tool I was using at the time.
> Several years ago sphericals became popular, and they certainly have
> their place, like inside buildings, but I always felt like those pixels
> in the sky and the dirt at your feet were wasted, that my customers were
> better served with a panorama of a view from the top of a mountain with
> a strip cylindrical shot with a 50 mm lens than they were with spherical
> image shot with a 15 mm, or even worse, with the advent of the DX
> format, a 10 mm lens.  But sometimes sphericals are really good, even
> for scenery, like for example, at the edge of the abyss at Toroweap at
> the Grand Canyon.
>
> Well, on my current project, a CD offering VR Illustrated Topo Maps of
> the Sierra Nevada, I have been stuck for a couple of weeks on a panorama
> shot at the top of New Army Pass, a few miles south of the Mt. Whitney
> uplift.  The views from there are incredibly expansive, and I had shot a
> 3 row with a 50 mm lens and my D200 at its highest NEF resolution.  When
> I input the finished cylinder to Pano2VR, it crashed repeatedly.  Then,
> this afternoon I tried cropping the stitched image down to more of a
> cylindrical orientation, getting rid of a lot of clear blue sky and some
> nondescript rocks at my feet (no plants grow at the pass, it's too
> elevated) and now Pano2VR is able to produce a pretty good panorama.
>
> The Black Kaweahs, a strange and very remote range, rises about 30 miles
> distant from New Army Pass, and that's what I used as a marker to decide
> when the image could not be reduced any further without losing important
> detail.  So I just sized the image down with Photoshop's Image command
> until the Black Kaweah started to diminish more than I wanted and then
> started cropping out sky and rock until it worked.  Now Pano2VR is able
> to produce a pretty good panorama from a source tiff 26880 x 2920.
>
> But there is a noticeable degradation of the image.  What is Pano2VR
> doing to the image between the tif and the .swf?  Could I be making
> manual steps in creating the pieces of the spherical, or whatever it
> does, to maintain image detail better than the automated functions of
> Pano2VR?
>

Poul

I already answered this once before.

If you are talking about making swf again I do not understand  what you are
doing.

There is absolutelly no way you can make a full resolution panorama in flash
from this size in Pano2VR
Pano2VR sets a max cubeface size of 2880x2880 for flash panoramas.
This is a panorama from a cylinder or a spherical which is  11520 pixels wide.

Using a 26000 as source will cause severe degradation not just in resolution but
also degradation in sharpness because the default interpolator is not supposed
to do this.
You have to reduce the size first in photoshop and I also recomend you to change
the interpolator in the Pano2VR preferences to Lanczoes 3 or Blackmann Sinc. The
conversion will take 3 times longer at least but you get max quality.

The 2880x2880 maximum is a maximum size Adobe seems to have claimed once for
Flash 9 but from the tests we made with FPP I can tell you that it is not true.
You can see panoramas with FPP at cubeface sizes as large as 6000x6000 but you
need the latest supercomputer and  a lot of Ram.
Actually what sets the max is also the browser as they are not at all supposed
to handle this sizes.
I recommend not using larger then 2400x2400 as that is what you can see with
512mb ram  also in Explorer which is very bad handling large sizes.

The only way to see large panoramas like this in flash is to use  KRpano tiling
technics which only  loads the tiles  you see. If the browser can not keep them
in memory it unloads the tiles you do not currently see in the window.

You may also know that Quicktime can not show these large sizes either if you do
not have the memory. However Quicktime has a built in quality reduction which
automatically reduces quality if you show it on a computer which does not have
the memory.

Hans
www.panoramas.dk

Hi Willy,

Thanks for the links - stunning panoramics!

I've made a 3m pole from a lighting stand and centre column tripod.
Haven't tried it yet, but will give it a test run today.

I am curious about the cherry picker platform. How did you rotatate
about the NPP? Did you move the camera, or the cherry picker?

Best wishes,
Robert
--

Willy Kaemena wrote:
> Some ideas :
>
> here from a Cherry Picker kind of platform
> http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Innotrans2008/InnotransOutdoor/
>
> or from a Cam boom
> http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Photokina/Cambo
>
> or simply a monopod tripod combo
> http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Bremen/MarktLichtshow3/
>
> Willy Kaemena
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FSPanos/Menu268.html
> http://360cities.net/profile/willy-kaemena
> http://360cities.net/area/damascus-syria
> http://360cities.net/area/bremen-germany
> http://360cities.net/area/rio-de-janeiro-brazil-2
> http://360cities.net/area/lisbon-portugal
>
>
>
> On Jun 30, 2009, at 22:54, Sacha Griffin wrote:
>
>>
>> You can use the cherry picker just shoot out of one side and move
>> the cherry
>> picker around your nadir.
>>
>> I've done this with a fork lift to success.
>>
>> Sacha Griffin
>>
>> Southern Digital Solutions LLC
>>
>> http://www.southern-digital.com
>>
>> http://www.seeit360.net
>>
>> GMAIL IM: sachagriffin007@...
>>
>> 404-551-4275
>>
>> From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Robert Slade
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:39 PM
>> To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Elevated pano help
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I've been requested to create a 360x180 virtual tour of a factory
>> assembly area. It consists of rows of desks where workers sit and
>> assemble electronic components. From ground level, all of the desks
>> are
>> at the same height. The best viewpoint will be three or four metres
>> above the ground.
>>
>> I thought about a pole pano, but the factory is not well lit. Would
>> the
>> pole be steady enough to support a heavy camera with a slow shutter
>> speed?
>>
>> A cherry picker would have a guard rail which would interfere with the
>> image.
>>
>> A scaffold platform at that height would be too dangerous to stand on
>> without any safety rails.
>>
>> I'd be grateful for any suggestions!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Robert
>>
>> --
>> Robert Slade, Photographer
>> Manor Photography 07890 564889
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Robert Slade, Photographer
Manor Photography 07890 564889
http://www.manor-photography.com

Thanks all for the help on this. I've made a 3m pole from a lighting
stand and a centre column tripod. It has a very stable base with the
tripod legs spread, but the top sways around a lot and takes a long time
(minutes) to settle down.

It will be fine for indoor use with no breeze. But outdoors could be
more of a problem! Any hints on how to dampen down the swaying?

Many thanks,
Robert
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Sacha Griffin wrote:
> You can use the cherry picker just shoot out of one side and move the cherry
> picker around your nadir.
>
> I've done this with a fork lift to success.
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> Sacha Griffin
>
> Southern Digital Solutions LLC
>
> http://www.southern-digital.com
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> http://www.seeit360.net
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> GMAIL IM: sachagriffin007@...
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> 404-551-4275
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> From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Robert Slade
> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:39 PM
> To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Elevated pano help
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> Hello,
>
> I've been requested to create a 360x180 virtual tour of a factory
> assembly area. It consists of rows of desks where workers sit and
> assemble electronic components. From ground level, all of the desks are
> at the same height. The best viewpoint will be three or four metres
> above the ground.
>
> I thought about a pole pano, but the factory is not well lit. Would the
> pole be steady enough to support a heavy camera with a slow shutter speed?
>
> A cherry picker would have a guard rail which would interfere with the
> image.
>
> A scaffold platform at that height would be too dangerous to stand on
> without any safety rails.
>
> I'd be grateful for any suggestions!
>
> Regards,
> Robert
>

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Robert Slade, Photographer
Manor Photography 07890 564889
http://www.manor-photography.com

Hi,
i recently saw the discussion about "http://www.breezesys.com/" to control
multiple cameras from a PC.
Is there anything like that for Mac available?
I would like to control (set up an interval) only ONE D200 or Fuji S5pro from my
MacBook...

I tried Nikons Capture Control 4.4.2 - but this was not very reliable :-(

Anything else???

Thanks - Peter

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Braatz" <panotools@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> i recently saw the discussion about "http://www.breezesys.com/" to control
multiple cameras from a PC.
> Is there anything like that for Mac available?
> I would like to control (set up an interval) only ONE D200 or Fuji S5pro from
my MacBook...
>
> I tried Nikons Capture Control 4.4.2 - but this was not very reliable :-(
>
> Anything else???
>
> Thanks - Peter
>


Have you tried this
http://www.sofortbildapp.com/

Hans

hi peter!

checked this? http://www.sofortbildapp.com

looks useful (at least for me as a canonist ;-) )

cheers from vienna
thomas

Peter Braatz schrieb:
>
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>
> Hi,
> i recently saw the discussion about "http://www.breezesys.com/
> <http://www.breezesys.com/>" to control multiple cameras from a PC.
> Is there anything like that for Mac available?
> I would like to control (set up an interval) only ONE D200 or Fuji S5pro
> from my MacBook...
>
> I tried Nikons Capture Control 4.4.2 - but this was not very reliable :-(
>
> Anything else???
>
> Thanks - Peter
>
>

Hi.
You can use two other tethered app for Nikon with your MacBook :

• Studio Tether :
http://www.mountainstorm.co.uk/photography/Tether-Overview/Tether-Overview.html
• Sofortbuild : http://www.sofortbildapp.com/
• Capture One Pro : http://www.phaseone.com/
• On FlickR : http://www.flickr.com/groups/d80/discuss/72157603787246133/

Best regards


Le 2 juil. 09 à 09:34, Peter Braatz a écrit :

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> Hi,
> i recently saw the discussion about "http://www.breezesys.com/" to
> control multiple cameras from a PC.
> Is there anything like that for Mac available?
> I would like to control (set up an interval) only ONE D200 or Fuji
> S5pro from my MacBook...
>
> I tried Nikons Capture Control 4.4.2 - but this was not very
> reliable :-(
>
> Anything else???
>
> Thanks - Peter


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Robert when you are a bit away from near objects the NPP is of no big
issue anymore:

here some examples:

at least about 15m off NPP 
http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Muenchen/Olympiaturm/
see the platform  http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Muenchen/Olympiaturm3/

and the cherry picker was about 1.5m off NPP
> http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Innotrans2008/InnotransOutdoor/
>
Making some shots from the  guard-rail around the platform.


or here http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Berkeley2007/Campanile/
and the corresponding platform
http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Berkeley2007/Campanile3/


So don't worry about NPP when in  heights . This is also  valid from
a  3 m pole  a little bit swaying makes no big difference.

Willy Kaemena

http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FSPanos/Menu268.html



On Jul 2, 2009, at 8:57, Robert Slade wrote:

>
>
> Hi Willy,
>
> Thanks for the links - stunning panoramics!
>
> I've made a 3m pole from a lighting stand and centre column tripod.
> Haven't tried it yet, but will give it a test run today.
>
> I am curious about the cherry picker platform. How did you rotatate
> about the NPP? Did you move the camera, or the cherry picker?
>
> Best wishes,
> Robert
> --
>
> Willy Kaemena wrote:
> > Some ideas :
> >
> > here from a Cherry Picker kind of platform
> > http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Innotrans2008/InnotransOutdoor/
> >
> > or from a Cam boom
> > http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Photokina/Cambo
> >
> > or simply a monopod tripod combo
> > http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Bremen/MarktLichtshow3/
> >
> > Willy Kaemena
> >
> > http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FSPanos/Menu268.html
> > http://360cities.net/profile/willy-kaemena
> > http://360cities.net/area/damascus-syria
> > http://360cities.net/area/bremen-germany
> > http://360cities.net/area/rio-de-janeiro-brazil-2
> > http://360cities.net/area/lisbon-portugal
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jun 30, 2009, at 22:54, Sacha Griffin wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> You can use the cherry picker just shoot out of one side and move
> >> the cherry
> >> picker around your nadir.
> >>
> >> I've done this with a fork lift to success.
> >>
> >> Sacha Griffin
> >>
> >> Southern Digital Solutions LLC
> >>
> >> http://www.southern-digital.com
> >>
> >> http://www.seeit360.net
> >>
> >> GMAIL IM: sachagriffin007@...
> >>
> >> 404-551-4275
> >>
> >> From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
> >> [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On
> >> Behalf Of Robert Slade
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:39 PM
> >> To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
> >> Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Elevated pano help
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I've been requested to create a 360x180 virtual tour of a factory
> >> assembly area. It consists of rows of desks where workers sit and
> >> assemble electronic components. From ground level, all of the desks
> >> are
> >> at the same height. The best viewpoint will be three or four metres
> >> above the ground.
> >>
> >> I thought about a pole pano, but the factory is not well lit. Would
> >> the
> >> pole be steady enough to support a heavy camera with a slow shutter
> >> speed?
> >>
> >> A cherry picker would have a guard rail which would interfere
> with the
> >> image.
> >>
> >> A scaffold platform at that height would be too dangerous to
> stand on
> >> without any safety rails.
> >>
> >> I'd be grateful for any suggestions!
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Robert
> >>
> >> --
> >> Robert Slade, Photographer
> >> Manor Photography 07890 564889
> >> http://www.manor-photography.com
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> Manor Photography 07890 564889
> http://www.manor-photography.com
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Willy Kaemena
(0049) 0177 327 2935
http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FSPanos/Menu268.html
http://360cities.net/profile/willy-kaemena
http://360cities.net/area/damascus-syria
http://360cities.net/area/bremen-germany
http://360cities.net/area/rio-de-janeiro-brazil-2
http://360cities.net/area/lisbon-portugal











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Thanks Willy - I did wonder about the importance of NPP position further
away, the parallax error decreasing with distance. But I've never shot a
pano under these conditions before.

That's an amazing pano of the Olympic Park - taken from a helicopter?

Regards,
Rob
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Willy Kaemena wrote:
> Robert when you are a bit away from near objects the NPP is of no big
> issue anymore:
>
> here some examples:
>
> at least about 15m off NPP 
http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Muenchen/Olympiaturm/
> see the platform  http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Muenchen/Olympiaturm3/
>
> and the cherry picker was about 1.5m off NPP
>> http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Innotrans2008/InnotransOutdoor/
>>
> Making some shots from the  guard-rail around the platform.

--
Robert Slade, Photographer
Manor Photography 07890 564889
http://www.manor-photography.com

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Hans Nyberg" <hans@...> wrote:
>
> --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Braatz" <panotools@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > i recently saw the discussion about "http://www.breezesys.com/" to control
multiple cameras from a PC.
> > Is there anything like that for Mac available?
> > I would like to control (set up an interval) only ONE D200 or Fuji S5pro
from my MacBook...
> >
> > I tried Nikons Capture Control 4.4.2 - but this was not very reliable :-(
> >
> > Anything else???
> >
> > Thanks - Peter
> >
>
>
> Have you tried this
> http://www.sofortbildapp.com/
>
He seems to be interested in making a version for Canon also.
That would be much appreciated and I think we should give him some support.

Hans

noooo  taken from here:  > see the platform
http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Muenchen/Olympiaturm3/


On Jul 2, 2009, at 10:25, Robert Slade wrote:

> Thanks Willy - I did wonder about the importance of NPP position
> further
> away, the parallax error decreasing with distance. But I've never
> shot a
> pano under these conditions before.
>
> That's an amazing pano of the Olympic Park - taken from a helicopter?
>
> Regards,
> Rob
> --
>
> Willy Kaemena wrote:
> > Robert when you are a bit away from near objects the NPP is of no
> big
> > issue anymore:
> >
> > here some examples:
> >
> > at least about 15m off NPP
http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Muenchen/Olympiaturm/
> > see the platform http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Muenchen/Olympiaturm3/
> >
> > and the cherry picker was about 1.5m off NPP
> >> http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Innotrans2008/InnotransOutdoor/
> >>
> > Making some shots from the guard-rail around the platform.

Willy Kaemena























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Willy Kaemena wrote:

> noooo  taken from here:  > see the platform
http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Muenchen/Olympiaturm3/

Hi Willy - sorry, didn't make the connection between the two links
initially.

That must be you in the platform pano? What big hands you have! ;-)

Regards,
Rob
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> On Jul 2, 2009, at 10:25, Robert Slade wrote:
>
>> Thanks Willy - I did wonder about the importance of NPP position
>> further
>> away, the parallax error decreasing with distance. But I've never
>> shot a
>> pano under these conditions before.
>>
>> That's an amazing pano of the Olympic Park - taken from a helicopter?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob
>> --

--
Robert Slade, Photographer
Manor Photography 07890 564889
http://www.manor-photography.com

transplanted hands..,..


On Jul 2, 2009, at 10:53, Robert Slade wrote:

>
>
> Willy Kaemena wrote:
>
> > noooo taken from here: > see the platform
http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/FS/Muenchen/Olympiaturm3/
>
> Hi Willy - sorry, didn't make the connection between the two links
> initially.
>
> That must be you in the platform pano? What big hands you have! ;-)
>
> Regards,
> Rob
> --
>
> > On Jul 2, 2009, at 10:25, Robert Slade wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks Willy - I did wonder about the importance of NPP position
> >> further
> >> away, the parallax error decreasing with distance. But I've never
> >> shot a
> >> pano under these conditions before.
> >>
> >> That's an amazing pano of the Olympic Park - taken from a
> helicopter?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Rob
> >> --
>
> --
> Robert Slade, Photographer
> Manor Photography 07890 564889
> http://www.manor-photography.com
>
>






















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Sometime around 2/7/09 (at 00:59 +0000) Dave 360texas.com said:

>Which version of pano2vr are you using?
>What format are your original images?
>What stitching software did you use to stitch your panorama?
>What file size and was it 8bit or 16bit Tif?

Also, what interpolator is set (as fiero asked),
and what JPEG compression setting is used?

k

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Keith Martin <keith@...> wrote:
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> Sometime around 2/7/09 (at 00:59 +0000) Dave 360texas.com said:
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> >Which version of pano2vr are you using?
> >What format are your original images?
> >What stitching software did you use to stitch your panorama?
> >What file size and was it 8bit or 16bit Tif?
>
> Also, what interpolator is set (as fiero asked),
> and what JPEG compression setting is used?
>

According to his last post about this a couple of weeks ago
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PanoToolsNG/message/30061

he uses the last version 2.2.3  which has the restriction to 2880x2880.

I also told  Paul that time about this and that it was ridiculous to use an
26000 pixel panorama for a flash version.

Hans

Is gphoto2 not available on Mac OS X?

CU Lars.

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Lars O. Grobe" <grobe@...> wrote:
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> Is gphoto2 not available on Mac OS X?
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> CU Lars.
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Commandline software?
Uff!

You do not know much about commercial photographers.
Most of us hate these things.

Hans

Hans Nyberg schrieb:
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> --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lars O. Grobe" <grobe@...> wrote:
>  >
>  > Is gphoto2 not available on Mac OS X?
>  >
>  > CU Lars.
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> Uff!
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> You do not know much about commercial photographers.
> Most of us hate these things.
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> Hans

gtkam is a gui/frontend for gphoto2


Volker

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