On 31 Jul 2009 at 21:04, Ian Wood wrote:

>
> On 31 Jul 2009, at 20:17, robert_harshman wrote:
>
> > And I agree with you that the details are not quite the same, but
> > the overall room is, the windows, columns, carpet, chandeliers and
> > even the chairs and tables bear a similar look and feel. At least by
> > my eyes I think the 3D model was based on this room and at least
> > should give some credit to it. The same 3D modeler has another
> > version of this room on the site that uses windows that are
> > definitely more explicit copies from this room. But if you and
> > others do not see that then that's that.
>
> Definitely nice panos, but I have to agree that the 3D model is not
> based on the panorama. It's not that *some* of the details are not
> wuite the same, it's that *all* the details are different.
>
> I'm not sure how many dealings you've had with creating 3D models from
> panoramas but I'd be very surprised if they had used your pano as the
> basis for the model. Things like the differences in the shape of the
> seat backs (and having detail on the rear of the seats), different
> carpet designs etc. would have made it *more* work for the modeller to
> start from your panorama than to start from scratch and/or their own
> reference photos.
>
> It's also unlikely that your pano was used as a source for textures,
> as every surface I've looked at closely is different from the actual
> room - for instance herringbone parquet in the panorama and straight
> floorboards in the model, different paintings in the panels, most of
> the flat surfaces such as wooden surfaces using stock textures etc.
>
> The model is clearly based on that room, but then so is the
> panorama. ;-)

And/or that room in Chicago (as well as the 3D model) is most likely based on
one or more
different, similar rooms in Europe ;)

--
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Can´t wait to see this when it´s done. Take care up there!

Hi,

First of all I'd like to introduce myself (although iv'e been posting for quite
a while now) I'm Milo a web developer, and panographer(?)  from the philippines.
I've been working on a street view project here in my country using a motorized
pano head, a canon 450d and sigma 8mm (because i cant afford a 3 dslrs on an
agnos mrotatorR, or a ladybug).

My plan is to shoot the major city here (makati city) on weekends and early
mornings when there are not much people around. When I can afford a one shot
rig, then I will start shooting even with traffic.

Here is the link of that test shots. I had to go down the car to press the
button of the electronic box because the cord is not long enough to reach the
interior of the car. And on the first shot that's when I put the camera on the
roof, that's why i was on the ladder. :)

http://www.360philippines.com/street-view/yen-street/

It will eventually look like this

http://www.360philippines.com/makati360/map.html

That's it. Just sharing the link. Anyone here had a similar project? I know jan
is working on diystreetview and wim on pano cycle. I also saw panodrive on
360cities.

Thanks,
Milo

Here is a thread about taking pictures from heli with a Kenyon gyro:
http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=36634
Kenyon Gyro Stabilizers: http://www.ken-lab.com/

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Hi Milo,

in my opinion shooting "in the crowd" with a lot of people around is more
interesting, but also more difficult.
With a bit of experience you can shoot from a monopod, mounting the camera
with a lensring. Fullframe cameras are better for this job, because with a
Nikon 10.5 or a Tokina 10-17 fisheye (at 12) you need only 4 pictures for
360°.

Quite interesting is the wooden BoBracket from www.bophoto.com/bracket
Another do-it-yourself possiblity: www.langebilder.de/rohrschelle.htm



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Hi Milo,

nice project you have started.

Please allow me to advise on the time of day to take the panoramas:

Shooting in the early morning and at weekends does not work.

Check out this panorama site of Oslo, Norway:
http://kart.finn.no/?lng=10.7365&lat=59.91488&zoom=17&mapType=finnvector&streetv\
iew=true

They toke the same approach as you, and shot most pictures in the early
morning to avoid having to blur faces of people for privacy reasons.

Unfortunately the site leaves a kind of "The day after" impression: Like
there has been a nuclear war and nobody survived. No people to see.

I don't know how you will solve this problem, just to alert you to this.

Jan

P.S.:
I would like to work together with you and Wim to make free panosalado flash
viewer work for these kind of "unlimited" tours. I hope you carry a GPS
logger when shooting?


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--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "dorindxn" <Dorin@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Saturday, August 1st, 2009, 14.oo hours GMT
> I'll brodcast live panoramas from some street delivery/parade show.
>
> I have now the R1, I have borrowed a 5D from a friend so this time the sphere
will be complete - well.. allmost
>
> I'll increase the shooting frecvency to one pano at every 3 minutes though the
upload will be one at about 10 minutes so you will eperience some time
dilatation like being near to a black hole
>
> I'll post here the link. Works only in DevalVR.
>
> the recent info/history here
> http://www.panoguide.com/forums/commercial/6512/
>
> cheers, Dorin
> www.livepanoramas.com
>

Hi,

There will be some delays, because the event didn't begin yet.

Earlier today
http://www.livepanoramas.com/event/9080111/

Cheers, Dorin
www.livepanoramas.com

Hi Dorin,

I get an error at
http://www.livepanoramas.com/event/9080111/

"Sorry, this content can be seen with your Operating System."
Btw. I am on Ubuntu Linux.

Are you doing a Windows-only Live-Event?

Jan

P.S.:
Long live Ubuntu!

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 3:35 PM, dorindxn <Dorin@...> wrote:

>
>
> --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com <PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "dorindxn" <Dorin@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > Saturday, August 1st, 2009, 14.oo hours GMT
> > I'll brodcast live panoramas from some street delivery/parade show.
> >
> > I have now the R1, I have borrowed a 5D from a friend so this time the
> sphere will be complete - well.. allmost
> >
> > I'll increase the shooting frecvency to one pano at every 3 minutes
> though the upload will be one at about 10 minutes so you will eperience some
> time dilatation like being near to a black hole
> >
> > I'll post here the link. Works only in DevalVR.
> >
> > the recent info/history here
> > http://www.panoguide.com/forums/commercial/6512/
> >
> > cheers, Dorin
> > www.livepanoramas.com
> >
>
> Hi,
>
> There will be some delays, because the event didn't begin yet.
>
> Earlier today
> http://www.livepanoramas.com/event/9080111/
>
> Cheers, Dorin
> www.livepanoramas.com
>
>
>


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Unfortunately DevalVR only works on windows :(

I'm on a Mac and I also get that error :(

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Jan Martin <janmartin3@...>wrote:

>
>
> Hi Dorin,
>
> I get an error at
>
> http://www.livepanoramas.com/event/9080111/
>
> "Sorry, this content can be seen with your Operating System."
> Btw. I am on Ubuntu Linux.
>
> Are you doing a Windows-only Live-Event?
>
> Jan
>
> P.S.:
> Long live Ubuntu!
>
> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 3:35 PM, dorindxn <Dorin@... <Dorin%40dxn.ro>>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
<PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com><PanoToolsNG%
> 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "dorindxn" <Dorin@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > > Saturday, August 1st, 2009, 14.oo hours GMT
> > > I'll brodcast live panoramas from some street delivery/parade show.
> > >
> > > I have now the R1, I have borrowed a 5D from a friend so this time the
> > sphere will be complete - well.. allmost
> > >
> > > I'll increase the shooting frecvency to one pano at every 3 minutes
> > though the upload will be one at about 10 minutes so you will eperience
> some
> > time dilatation like being near to a black hole
> > >
> > > I'll post here the link. Works only in DevalVR.
> > >
> > > the recent info/history here
> > > http://www.panoguide.com/forums/commercial/6512/
> > >
> > > cheers, Dorin
> > > www.livepanoramas.com
> > >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > There will be some delays, because the event didn't begin yet.
> >
> > Earlier today
> > http://www.livepanoramas.com/event/9080111/
> >
> > Cheers, Dorin
> > www.livepanoramas.com
> >
> >
> >
>
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>
>
>



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The promised link to Live Panoramas from Timisoara
www.livepanoramas.com/event/9080117/

Cheers, Dorin
www.livepanoramas.com

This promise does NOT work !!!  :-)

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 11:52 AM, dorindxn <Dorin@...> wrote:

> The promised link to Live Panoramas from Timisoara
> www.livepanoramas.com/event/9080117/
>
> Cheers, Dorin
> www.livepanoramas.com
>
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Hi Ayrton, it only works on PC I think :(

No luck for us mac users, but in fairness it's a DevalVR limitation not
Dorin's :)

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 4:00 PM, AYRTON <avi@...> wrote:

>
>
> This promise does NOT work !!! :-)
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 11:52 AM, dorindxn <Dorin@... <Dorin%40dxn.ro>>
> wrote:
>
> > The promised link to Live Panoramas from Timisoara
> > www.livepanoramas.com/event/9080117/
> >
> > Cheers, Dorin
> > www.livepanoramas.com
> >
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> >
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Andrey Ilyin wrote:

>
> I plan to shoot lower hemisphere in two, maybe three rows (depends on
>  pilot's readyness) - it will give me 25000 pixels by width.

I assume you'll shoot from a pole pointing down such that you can shoot
from below the lowest part of the heli. In any case the pilot should
keep the position as precise as possible, especially if you have to pull
the camera and head up in order to adjust the next row.

If there are no tall buildings below parallax won't be an issue though,
not even for the row close to the nadir. If there are tall buildings you
can use one edge as a fix.

> Upper hemisphere will be shot from the ground by 10,5 nikkor and
> stretched to necessary size.

I'm sure you know that you can mix different lenses in PTGui or hugin.

So far my ideas...

best regards
--
Erik Krause
http://www.erik-krause.de

Hi all,

When creating interiors with an outside view, that outside view always looks (to
me at least) like it was pasted directly onto the windows or into the door
frame. What can I do to at least simulate some distance, like there really is an
'outside'? Would it somehow be possible to build some kind of layered parallax
into these images?
Or something else that would have the desired effect?
Technology of choice would be Flash10, but a solution using DevalVR would be
nice too :) Ideas anyone?

Here's an example of such an interior, but the same goes for car interiors or
anything similar of course.

<http://tinyurl.com/Hallenberg-livingroom-large> (3.9MB)

<http://tinyurl.com/Hallenberg-livingroom-small> (1.65MB)

Thanks!

Kind regards,

Erik Leeman

( www.erikleeman.com  www.flickr.com/photos/erik-nl/ )

Hi list,

The review of the shaved Samyang 8 mm lens has been complemented with
consideration apropos of flare resistance and radial mapping
comparison with other fisheyes. Some example panoramas were added.
http://tinyurl.com/n2hqna

Feedback would be welcome, including request for topics that still
could be missing.

Regards,

Michel Thoby

erik leeman wrote:

> What can I do to at least simulate some distance, like there really is
> an 'outside'? Would it somehow be possible to build some kind of layered
> parallax into these images?
> Or something else that would have the desired effect?

I think adaptive dynamic range would be good to realistically display
this kind of panos. Spi-V used to be good in doing this. No idea whether
one of the flash players can do it as well.

See two SPi-V examples here:
http://fieldofview.com/spv/show.php?file=adr.xml
(It seems as if the example is somehow broken, it loads sharp but gets
blurred then. But you can get the idea...)

best regards
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http://www.erik-krause.de

Erik Krause wrote:

> (It seems as if the example is somehow broken, it loads sharp but gets
> blurred then. But you can get the idea...)

Some better examples:
http://dativ.at/fotos/panoramas/adr/index.html

best regards
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http://www.erik-krause.de

Hello,
I just more or less understood the in's and out's of using wordpress when I
saw someone here mentioned drupal. I had not come across that so I installed
it locally to see what it was about. I see there is the k2 theme but it is not
fixed with 6 so I wonder can anyone suggest a theme which is good for showing
panoramas that is good with drupal 6 ?
Thanks

Mick


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Erik Krause schrieb:
> Erik Krause wrote:
>
>
>> (It seems as if the example is somehow broken, it loads sharp but gets
>> blurred then. But you can get the idea...)
>>
>
> Some better examples:
> http://dativ.at/fotos/panoramas/adr/index.html
>
> best regards
>
Wow, these are in fact quite impressive! The only thing I do not like
about it is how slow the transition between bright/dark is. But maybe
this can be fine-tuned when coding the XML files.

  I wonder if someone with ActionScript capabilities would be willing to
provide a FPP plug-in that does that...

Best regards, Philipp Koch

Wish I had one for my monopod...

Thomas Krueger wrote:
> Here is a thread about taking pictures from heli with a Kenyon gyro:
> http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=36634
> Kenyon Gyro Stabilizers: http://www.ken-lab.com/
>
> -----
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It works here.  You could do something with this.


dorindxn wrote:
> The promised link to Live Panoramas from Timisoara
> www.livepanoramas.com/event/9080117/
>
> Cheers, Dorin
> www.livepanoramas.com
>
>
>

Look at all the stuff the can't be removed...

http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?s=8ac6ec1ecfd7b0925deef596b29ed500&showtopic\
=134863


Thomas Krueger wrote:
> Let's wait a couple of months, with vLite you can tweak the install of
> Windows 7 disabling various features and services:
> http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showforum=153
>
>
>
>
> -----
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I would suggest not trying to utilize a pre-fab theme, since these sites,
basically look like they were put up in a couple hours. And essentially,
it's quite possible to do so.

You could try to start from an organized baseline and use the "framework"
theme built by my brother.

http://drupal.org/project/framework



A drupal site I've been working on is http://www.seeit360.net





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From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of crane@...
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 1:05 PM
To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Drupal theme






Hello,
I just more or less understood the in's and out's of using wordpress when I
saw someone here mentioned drupal. I had not come across that so I installed

it locally to see what it was about. I see there is the k2 theme but it is
not
fixed with 6 so I wonder can anyone suggest a theme which is good for
showing
panoramas that is good with drupal 6 ?
Thanks

Mick





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Thanks Erik, I completely overlooked that possibility!
I can see the effect really helping enhance the inside-outside impression. But I
think I would try a very subtle application, just enough to work, but hardly
noticeable, especially with really large windows (like in a car). Am I wrong in
thinking it would double the amount of data as well? That would be a rather high
price to pay then.
Hmmm, what else would work.....


--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Erik Krause wrote:
>
> Erik Krause wrote:
>
> Some better examples:
> http://dativ.at/fotos/panoramas/adr/index.html
>
> best regards
> --
> Erik Krause
> http://www.erik-krause.de

erik leeman wrote:

> I can see the effect really helping enhance the inside-outside
> impression. But I think I would try a very subtle application, just
> enough to work, but hardly noticeable, especially with really large
> windows (like in a car). Am I wrong in thinking it would double the
> amount of data as well? That would be a rather high price to pay then.
> Hmmm, what else would work.....

The Spi-V implemetation of ADR in fact needs two panoramas to blend
between. However, Helmut Dersch implemented an extension to jpeg (called
fjpg) in order to store a kind of HDR in jpeg format. AFAIK currently
only PTViewer 3 uses this format to display ADR panoramas. I ever
wondered why no one took this up...

The paper:
http://webuser.fh-furtwangen.de/~dersch/hdr/HDRViewer.pdf

An example:
http://webuser.fh-furtwangen.de/~dersch/hdr/hdrtest2.html

More info, including file conversion program PTConvert:
http://webuser.hs-furtwangen.de/~dersch/

best regards
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http://www.erik-krause.de

erik leeman wrote:
> When creating interiors with an outside view, that outside view always looks
(to me at least) like it was pasted directly onto the windows or into the door
frame.

> <http://tinyurl.com/Hallenberg-livingroom-large> (3.9MB)
>
> <http://tinyurl.com/Hallenberg-livingroom-small> (1.65MB)

Now, how did you actually get the exterior well exposed (or even too
dark)? If you blended it by hand you simply can increase brightness for
the exterior a bit. Anyone expects a sunlit exterior to be brighter than
the interior (and even a bit washed).

I bet you didn't use exposure fusion, since it normally doesn't create
such unrealistic looks.

best regards
--
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We are pleased to inform you that the United States Patent And Trademark
Office (USPTO) has granted Imatronics Founder -- Dr. Frank Edughom Ekpar
-- patent rights to a broad range of imaging systems, devices and
methods.

This patent grant is recorded in United States Patent Number 7567274
issued on July 28, 2009.

You can access the full text of the patent on the USPTO web site:


http://patft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?patentnumber=7567274
<http://patft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?patentnumber=7567274>


This invention introduces systems, devices and methods aimed at
simplifying
the creation and management of high-impact virtual tours as well as
novel
general-purpose imaging, multimedia and information processing systems.

Our founder has made and continues to make well recognized contributions
to the scientific community and to the advancement of humanity.

This patent grant is further recognition of our founder's abiding
commitment to the improvement of the human condition through scientific
research and development and to empowering you to create the best-valued
virtual tours.

Imatronics Software -- including Panorama Express, Interactive Video,
Cute Album, OmniViewer, Media Express, etc -- is based on the only
authentic and comprehensively patented virtual tour system. By using
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Please visit our web site to learn more about Imatronics:


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Thank you for your attention.


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> This patent grant is further recognition of our founder's abiding
> commitment to the improvement of the human condition through scientific
> research and development and to empowering you to create the best-valued
> virtual tours.

I fail to see how deliberately creating more overly-broad patents on
panoramic technology "improves the human condition".

Daniel Reetz

Thanks for the info,

but could you please clarify what exactly is patented?
I don't fully understand what is said in the link you provided, too much
legal talk for me ;)

For instance, from what I read it says that Imatronics now has the
patent for any device that produces panoramic video and video transitions
between panoramas?

Is this right? If so am I the only one that smells iPix...

or is it only the algorithm that converts and projects
the video onto a sphere?

Don't get me wrong it's a nice work and it should be protected, it's just
that
I'm a bit afraid of this patent thingies


On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 12:08 AM, imatronics <imatronics@...> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> We are pleased to inform you that the United States Patent And Trademark
> Office (USPTO) has granted Imatronics Founder -- Dr. Frank Edughom Ekpar
> -- patent rights to a broad range of imaging systems, devices and
> methods.
>
> This patent grant is recorded in United States Patent Number 7567274
> issued on July 28, 2009.
>
> You can access the full text of the patent on the USPTO web site:
>
> http://patft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?patentnumber=7567274
> <http://patft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?patentnumber=7567274>
>
> This invention introduces systems, devices and methods aimed at
> simplifying
> the creation and management of high-impact virtual tours as well as
> novel
> general-purpose imaging, multimedia and information processing systems.
>
> Our founder has made and continues to make well recognized contributions
> to the scientific community and to the advancement of humanity.
>
> This patent grant is further recognition of our founder's abiding
> commitment to the improvement of the human condition through scientific
> research and development and to empowering you to create the best-valued
> virtual tours.
>
> Imatronics Software -- including Panorama Express, Interactive Video,
> Cute Album, OmniViewer, Media Express, etc -- is based on the only
> authentic and comprehensively patented virtual tour system. By using
> Imatronics Software to create and manage your virtual tours, you
> leverage the results of over 15 years of cutting-edge scientific
> research and development to take your virtual tour business to greater
> heights.
>
> Please visit our web site to learn more about Imatronics:
>
> http://www.imatronics.com <http://www.imatronics.com>
>
> Thank you for your attention.
>
> Best regards,
> The Imatronics Team.
>
> http://www.imatronics.com <http://www.imatronics.com>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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Paulo Fernandes
Multimedia

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Go Go Pixel - Design, Fotografia e Multimédia
Calçada do Lidador, 1ºAndar
4480-690 Vila do Conde - Portugal
Tel. +351 252 119 375 - Fax. +351 252 119 375
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