Hi - relatively new to this group - been reading all that I can on
panos over the last couple months, this group is terrific - thanks to
you all for such fantastic input!

I've got a Canon 350D and, after reading as much as humanly possible
(and doing all the requisite searching), have decided to go forward
with purchasing a Peleng 8mm.

My big questions remaining are:

1)  It appears as though there is a single type of Peleng 8mm with a
whole host of different types of mounting adapters... the question -
is there an EOS-specific version of this lens, or do I just need to
make sure I've got the correct EOS adapter?

2)  Where do I purchase this thing?  I've yet to hear positive remarks
for any internet supplier, or ebay seller (although some have good
ratings)... any specific dealer I could be directed towards?

Thanks in advance,
Blake

Helmuth Dersch made a sample doing that with PTVviewer, but I can't find the
link to a working sample ;-(
and I can't remember how it was done; !

Spi-V has another approach with splits creen
http://www.fieldofview.com/spv/show.php?dcr=split.dcr&file=euromast.xml



----- Original Message -----
From: "jeffreycb2000"


> There was a web site I saw last year that had a before and after
> panorama in separate movies with both reacting together from the
> interaction from either movie window.
> I have read that Livestage can do this function, is there any other
> package that makes this possible?
>
> Jeffrey
>
>
>

Dear Friends,

I recently started delving into HDR photography using the CS2 built in
facility. I have been taking 6 RAW bracketed sets of 3 photos each.
The bracketing was set at -1, 0, +1; then I have converted them
straight from RAW to .tif 16bit photos, without doing any CA or
vigneting.
I am using a Canon350D with a peleng lens. The result has been very
encouraging. Is there a workflow anywhere that show a step by step on
how to do HDR?, I have looked at the wiki but it has been written to
use Photomatix?

kind regards,

Rodrigo

Hi Blake,

I use the Peleng with the Canon 350D, very pleased with it. I bought
mine through Ebay. As I placed the order I stated in it that I
required the Canon mount, it came ready assemble. Haven't had any
problems with it.

kind regards,

Rodrigo

thanks!  I've noticed that same thing with the focus markings.  It's
definitely more complicated than using a CP4500/FC-E8 combo :)


On 10/31/06, Alex <aspielberg@...> wrote:
>
>   An F-stop is an F-stop. No 'conversion' factor.
>
> BTW I use the Peleng on a Canon 400D and find that (1) F/8 is typically
> my best overall option, and (2) do not trust the focus scale markings!
> Depending upon
> which T-mount adapter is on the lens the scale WILL be incorrect. Not a
> hugh deal considering the
> extreme depth of field, but noticeable none the less.
>
> Alex
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marlon Moyer
> To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com <PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 1:15 PM
> Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Simple camera question
>
> I'm transitioning from my trusty ol CP4500 with the FC-E8 to a D50
> with a Peleng on it. Now that everything is manual, I've been paying
> more attention to the lens/aperture settings that the CP4500 uses. My
> question is, given that the lens may be marked 7.85-32mm and that has
> an equivalent in terms of the 35mm format, does the aperture have the
> same kind of conversion to it? My CP4500 uses an aperture of 2.6
> quite often and that's quite a bit brighter than the Peleng is able to
> go, especially since it seems most people step it up to around 8 to
> get the dof larger.
>
> --
> Marlon
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



--
Marlon


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Hmmm ok it sounds like I need to learn about making a template.  That may solve
my
problem with symmetrical rooms.  I will try it and let you all know my progress.
Thank you
all for your help!  By the way I am using a Nikon and a 10.5mm lens for my pans.

Thanks again!

David Palermo

Kievcamera.com has them. Bought mine from them. Specify EOS adapter when
ordering.
Then enjoy! It's really a lot of glass for the price. I've been using the Peleng
on a 350D and recently a 400D
with great results.
Alex

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: blakemichaelson
   To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 1:56 AM
   Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Peleng 8mm - Reliable source


   Hi - relatively new to this group - been reading all that I can on
   panos over the last couple months, this group is terrific - thanks to
   you all for such fantastic input!

   I've got a Canon 350D and, after reading as much as humanly possible
   (and doing all the requisite searching), have decided to go forward
   with purchasing a Peleng 8mm.

   My big questions remaining are:

   1) It appears as though there is a single type of Peleng 8mm with a
   whole host of different types of mounting adapters... the question -
   is there an EOS-specific version of this lens, or do I just need to
   make sure I've got the correct EOS adapter?

   2) Where do I purchase this thing? I've yet to hear positive remarks
   for any internet supplier, or ebay seller (although some have good
   ratings)... any specific dealer I could be directed towards?

   Thanks in advance,
   Blake





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Jason,

How did you manage to get a license to use the music that you have on
your page?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Olho de Peixe Lda

====================================

Fotografias 360º »» www.carloschegado.com <http://www.carloschegado.com>

====================================





lishisman wrote:
>
> These were done with pano2qtvr, ptgui, corel X3, and dreamweaver.
>
> http://www.720tours.com/newdimensions/index.html
> <http://www.720tours.com/newdimensions/index.html>
> http://www.720tours.com/expressions/index.html
> <http://www.720tours.com/expressions/index.html>
>
> I am interested to know what you guys think and possibly any pointers
> you may have...
>
> Thank you so much!
> Jason
>
>
> __


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hello everyone

I'm having difficulty in stitching a perfect panorama with images
taken using my Nikon E4300 and FC-E8/UR E4 lens.

theres just a teeny weeny misalignment which cannot be corrected.
Could anyone please tell me how to set the lens settings tab of the
PTGui. WOuld the focal length differ when I mount FCE8 with URE4 ring.

I would also like to know the nodal point distance in millimeters for
E4300/FCE8 fish eye lens.( from the camera mount hole to the tripod
mount)

Hope im clear.
ANy help would be appreciated

ahmed

Set a few control points manually, near the area of misalignment, then
optimize. I've had great results with the same camera and FC-E8 using three
shots.
Alex

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: miarenge
   To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:04 AM
   Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Stitching with PTGui, Image taken with Nikon
E4300/Fc-E8


   hello everyone

   I'm having difficulty in stitching a perfect panorama with images
   taken using my Nikon E4300 and FC-E8/UR E4 lens.

   theres just a teeny weeny misalignment which cannot be corrected.
   Could anyone please tell me how to set the lens settings tab of the
   PTGui. WOuld the focal length differ when I mount FCE8 with URE4 ring.

   I would also like to know the nodal point distance in millimeters for
   E4300/FCE8 fish eye lens.( from the camera mount hole to the tripod
   mount)

   Hope im clear.
   ANy help would be appreciated

   ahmed





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

hello Alex

thanx for the rep. Ive tried manual control points it wouldn't do.
WHen I manage the top part of hte image the bottom goes wrong. I
beleive this is due to nodal point may be.

Could you help me in setting up the lens settings(PTGui). Do I leave
it to the Exif data. Or perhaps you could give me the nodal point
specifications for the the above mentioned camera n lens.

thank you
ahmed

IVRPA Europe Meeting Scheduled for Nuernberg,1-3 December 2006

In an effort to follow up on our success at the Photokina
<photokina.ivrpa.org>  photo imaging trade show last month,
IVRPA is pleased to announce that a follow up meeting and VR
photography weekend featuring Hans
Nyberg (Panoramas.dk), Matthias Taugwalder (VR photographer and
Alpine climber),
and Aldo Hoeben (IVRPA webmaster and SPi-V creator), will be held 1-3
December 2006
in Nuernberg, Germany.

The cost for the meeting is 39 Euros for current IVRPA members and 89
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a full day meeting (lunch included, and coffee break) 8am to 2pm on
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Tentative Agenda

(1)    Welcome and introductions
(2)     A look at the markets for VR Photography in Europe
(3)     Introduction to IVRPA;  future activities, what can we do to
help ourselves.
(4)     How We Survived Photokina including the hotography, the
event, and the online
           panorama gallery.  Preview of Photokina/IVRPA video clip.
Coffee Break
(5)    Discussion of hardware and cameras and lens
LUNCH
(6)    Sample Workflow Demonstration.  Hans Nyberg will speed stitch
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(7)    Wrap up
(8)    Adjourn

Saturday afternoon photography in town
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Space for the event is limited.  We have a block of single rooms at
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This is a great opportunity to network with some of the top European
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in historic Nuernberg.  Reserve your space soon.  Thank you to all
our IVRPA members for your continued support.

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president
IVRPA

IVRPA has announced a VR photography conference to be held 20-24 May
2007 on
the campus of the University of California Berekeley campus.

Mark your calendars!  Get those passports renewed!
More details and the schedule will be announced in the next several
weeks.

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Mike Quan
president
IVRPA

I find that the point of rotation is directly under the front edge of the FC-E8.
I use a simple bracket atop the tripod which seems to work very well.
The EXIF as I recall is enough info for PTGui to do well, but I have not used
this setup in a while. What version of PTGui do you have?
Alex

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: miarenge
   To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:27 AM
   Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Re: Stitching with PTGui, Image taken with Nikon
E4300/Fc-E8


   hello Alex

   thanx for the rep. Ive tried manual control points it wouldn't do.
   WHen I manage the top part of hte image the bottom goes wrong. I
   beleive this is due to nodal point may be.

   Could you help me in setting up the lens settings(PTGui). Do I leave
   it to the Exif data. Or perhaps you could give me the nodal point
   specifications for the the above mentioned camera n lens.

   thank you
   ahmed





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--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Rodrigo Alarcon-Cielock" <alarcon@...>
wrote:
>
> I recently started delving into HDR photography using the CS2 built in
>..... Is there a workflow anywhere that show a step by step on
> how to do HDR?, I have looked at the wiki but it has been written to
> use Photomatix?
> The bracketing was set at -1, 0, +1;

Might be better to try bracketing -2, 0, +2

Here's a HDR tutorial for Photoshop CS2:

http://www.backingwinds.blogspot.com/2006/10/how-to-create-professional-hdr-
images.html

can't find even the trace in the photo shops.

Hi John

Thank you very much for your suggestion and the link.

kind regards,

Rodrigo

If you want I can send you my template.
Works fine - just YPR and that´s it,
used it sometimes with PTGUI 5.6 (??)
I think John could have an even better one though.
Ciao
Mike

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
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M. Hundrieser

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   -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
   Von: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com]Im
Auftrag von david_in_sb
   Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. November 2006 12:31
   An: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
   Betreff: [PanoToolsNG] Re: PTGui and stitching symmetrical rooms


   Hmmm ok it sounds like I need to learn about making a template. That may solve
my
   problem with symmetrical rooms. I will try it and let you all know my
progress. Thank you
   all for your help! By the way I am using a Nikon and a 10.5mm lens for my
pans.

   Thanks again!

   David Palermo






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speaking of the focus markings.....uhmmm....how exactly do those work.  My
first stab at it thinks that if you're at f8, and you want a deep dof, you'd
move the focus ring until the infinity mark is aligned with the rightmost f8
marking, leaving the leftmost f8 marking with .3m or so....

Is this correct?


On 11/1/06, Marlon Moyer <marlon.moyer@...> wrote:
>
> thanks!  I've noticed that same thing with the focus markings.  It's
> definitely more complicated than using a CP4500/FC-E8 combo :)
>
>
> On 10/31/06, Alex <aspielberg@...> wrote:
> >
> >   An F-stop is an F-stop. No 'conversion' factor.
> >
> > BTW I use the Peleng on a Canon 400D and find that (1) F/8 is typically
> > my best overall option, and (2) do not trust the focus scale markings!
> > Depending upon
> > which T-mount adapter is on the lens the scale WILL be incorrect. Not a
> > hugh deal considering the
> > extreme depth of field, but noticeable none the less.
> >
> > Alex
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Marlon Moyer
> > To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com <PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 1:15 PM
> > Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Simple camera question
> >
> > I'm transitioning from my trusty ol CP4500 with the FC-E8 to a D50
> > with a Peleng on it. Now that everything is manual, I've been paying
> > more attention to the lens/aperture settings that the CP4500 uses. My
> > question is, given that the lens may be marked 7.85-32mm and that has
> > an equivalent in terms of the 35mm format, does the aperture have the
> > same kind of conversion to it? My CP4500 uses an aperture of 2.6
> > quite often and that's quite a bit brighter than the Peleng is able to
> > go, especially since it seems most people step it up to around 8 to
> > get the dof larger.
> >
> > --
> > Marlon
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Marlon
>
>


--
Marlon


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On Wednesday, November 01, 2006 at 15:20, Andrey Ilyin wrote:

> can't find even the trace in the photo shops.

Why should this be gel filters? Or the other way round: What do you
want to achieve?

best regards
--
Erik Krause
Resources, not only for panorama creation:
http://www.erik-krause.de/

On Wednesday, November 01, 2006 at 6:56, blakemichaelson wrote:

> 1)  It appears as though there is a single type of Peleng 8mm with a
> whole host of different types of mounting adapters... the question -
> is there an EOS-specific version of this lens, or do I just need to
> make sure I've got the correct EOS adapter?

The lens itself has the front side of a T2-adapter where usually as
back side a M42 ring is attached. For EOS you can use any M42->EOS
adapter. Only for cameras with a longer sensor-bayonet distance you
need a special adapter the will screw on the T2 front piece with
three tiny screws.

> 2)  Where do I purchase this thing?  I've yet to hear positive remarks
> for any internet supplier, or ebay seller (although some have good
> ratings)... any specific dealer I could be directed towards?

I bought mine at rugift:
http://www.rugift.com/photocameras/canon_cameras_lenses.htm but if
you are outside the EU you probably have to add taxes...

best regards
--
Erik Krause
Resources, not only for panorama creation:
http://www.erik-krause.de/

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Andrey Ilyin" <andrey@...> wrote:
>
> can't find even the trace in the photo shops.
>

BH has most of the Kodaks. But you have to buy 3x3" and cut yourself.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?
A=search&Q=&b=49&mnp=0.0&mxp=0.0&cmpsrch=&cltp=&clsgr=&Submit.x=15&Submit.y
=8&Submit=Go&shs=&ci=5037&ac=

Must say I have not used them for many years.
You can do everything in Photoshop now.


Hans
www.panoramas.dk

hello Alex

Iuse the latest version of PTGui.
Ill try to set my lens rotation point and chek it out.

I also use Pano2Qtvr and sometimes the stitched image may have a
misalignement at just one point but my QTVR may show alignment errors
at several places.

Any idea why.

thanx again for the reply
ahmed

On Wednesday, November 01, 2006 at 18:40, Hans Nyberg wrote:

> You can do everything in Photoshop now.

...except polarizing. But polarizing on fisheyes is another story of
course ;-)

W.J. Markerink used to ship circular polarizing foil cut to the
appropriate size, but I currently can't find any hint on his page (no
surprise if you know it ;-) :

http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/mainpage.htm

best regards
--
Erik Krause
Resources, not only for panorama creation:
http://www.erik-krause.de/

Hi,

Where can I find a detailed description of how to build the pano12.dll
with Visual Studio.Net?  I found a .Net project file (libpano.vcproj)
in the package of libpano12-2.8.4 download and could not build it.
Thanks.

I got mine from this seller and had no problems at all:

http://www.eastwave.ca/products/lenses.html

ymmv

Marlon

On 11/1/06, Erik Krause <erik.krause@...> wrote:
>
>   On Wednesday, November 01, 2006 at 6:56, blakemichaelson wrote:
>
> > 1) It appears as though there is a single type of Peleng 8mm with a
> > whole host of different types of mounting adapters... the question -
> > is there an EOS-specific version of this lens, or do I just need to
> > make sure I've got the correct EOS adapter?
>
> The lens itself has the front side of a T2-adapter where usually as
> back side a M42 ring is attached. For EOS you can use any M42->EOS
> adapter. Only for cameras with a longer sensor-bayonet distance you
> need a special adapter the will screw on the T2 front piece with
> three tiny screws.
>
> > 2) Where do I purchase this thing? I've yet to hear positive remarks
> > for any internet supplier, or ebay seller (although some have good
> > ratings)... any specific dealer I could be directed towards?
>
> I bought mine at rugift:
> http://www.rugift.com/photocameras/canon_cameras_lenses.htm but if
> you are outside the EU you probably have to add taxes...
>
> best regards
> --
> Erik Krause
> Resources, not only for panorama creation:
> http://www.erik-krause.de/
>
>
>



--
Marlon


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Hi Marlon,

That is the approach that I use, and it has worked just fine for me.
However, here is an interesting take on depth of field recently published on
the Luminous Landscape:

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/Digital%20Focusing.shtml
and part two here:
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/digital%20focusing%202.shtml.

I found part two especially interesting in his rule of thumb for acceptable
sharpness. Definitely worth reading.

Mark
www.pinnacle-vr.com
www.northernlight.net

> -----Original Message-----
> From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Marlon Moyer
> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 12:22 PM
> To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PanoToolsNG] Simple camera question
>
> speaking of the focus markings.....uhmmm....how exactly do those work.  My
> first stab at it thinks that if you're at f8, and you want a deep dof,
> you'd
> move the focus ring until the infinity mark is aligned with the rightmost
> f8
> marking, leaving the leftmost f8 marking with .3m or so....
>
> Is this correct?
>
>
> On 11/1/06, Marlon Moyer <marlon.moyer@...> wrote:
> >
> > thanks!  I've noticed that same thing with the focus markings.  It's
> > definitely more complicated than using a CP4500/FC-E8 combo :)
> >
> >
> > On 10/31/06, Alex <aspielberg@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >   An F-stop is an F-stop. No 'conversion' factor.
> > >
> > > BTW I use the Peleng on a Canon 400D and find that (1) F/8 is
> typically
> > > my best overall option, and (2) do not trust the focus scale markings!
> > > Depending upon
> > > which T-mount adapter is on the lens the scale WILL be incorrect. Not
> a
> > > hugh deal considering the
> > > extreme depth of field, but noticeable none the less.
> > >
> > > Alex
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Marlon Moyer
> > > To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com <PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 1:15 PM
> > > Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Simple camera question
> > >
> > > I'm transitioning from my trusty ol CP4500 with the FC-E8 to a D50
> > > with a Peleng on it. Now that everything is manual, I've been paying
> > > more attention to the lens/aperture settings that the CP4500 uses. My
> > > question is, given that the lens may be marked 7.85-32mm and that has
> > > an equivalent in terms of the 35mm format, does the aperture have the
> > > same kind of conversion to it? My CP4500 uses an aperture of 2.6
> > > quite often and that's quite a bit brighter than the Peleng is able to
> > > go, especially since it seems most people step it up to around 8 to
> > > get the dof larger.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Marlon
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Marlon
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Marlon
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> --
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Hi Andrey,


I have a couple Kodak filters I bought at B&H a long time ago (80a and
80b, I think). They come in about 10x10cm sheets (don't know why they're
called gel.. they feel exactly like plastic). I cut them to the right
size and could insert them within my Sigma 8mm whenever I wanted.

Yes, almost everything can be done in Photoshop... but still I like to
try to make the light hit the sensor in the closest way I want the
picture to be. For some reason I have the feeling that white balancing a
RAW file is not exactely a lossless thing - I feel that I'm always
losing some info (for example, I remember when I was adjusting a bunch
of pictures I took with 1600 ISO. Well, after the color balancing I had
the clear impression that the grains were always more visible).

So every now and then I use these filters when I'm shooting in an
ambient with too hot lights so I can "take easy" with the white balance
sliders. The filters are really fine. I did some tests on sharpness and
I must confess I couldn't notice any difference at all.

Best regards,

Fabio.

Andrey Ilyin wrote:
> can't find even the trace in the photo shops.
>
>
>
>
>

> ...except polarizing. But polarizing on fisheyes is another story of
> course ;-)

Hello,

I have a beginner question : I would like to use polarizing filter in
some of my panoramas.
In the summer, the amount of light is too important and the color are
not saturated.

Is it possible to use a polarizing filter on a 10.5 Nikon lens ?
Or should a use a normal 12-24 mm lens with a polarizer ?

Thanks
Philippe



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Erik Krause" <erik.krause@...> wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, November 01, 2006 at 18:40, Hans Nyberg wrote:
>
> > You can do everything in Photoshop now.
>
> ...except polarizing.

What about neutral density filters ?

Regards,
Krzysztof