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#4393 From: "August F. Young III" <august@...>
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2006 8:06 am
Subject: RE: 3.8 spherical of Yosemite and others.
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From: greg downing [mailto:greg@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 11:52 PM
To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PanoToolsNG] 3.8 spherical of Yosemite and others.



Hi Everyone,

I just posted a website of some very high resolution panoramas that can be
navigated via the google maps API. This is the culmination of a few years of
work that I have done w/ Eric Hanson, a fellow Photography/Visual Effects
Pro. We used a PixOrb, a 1Ds Mark II and a 100mm lens to shoot ~350 images
for the spherical panoramas, we got 3.8 gigapixels out of that
configuration. If you reload the main page you will get one of the 5
multi-gigapixel images that will open fullscreen or you can go into the
gallery and select them directly. In the "Divingboard" image see if you can
spot the climber on the face of halfdome!

http://www.xrez. <http://www.xrez.com/> com/

-Greg

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#4394 From: Blake Michaelson <blake.michaelson@...>
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2006 8:07 am
Subject: Re: Re: Consistent stitching errors
blakemichaelson
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Thank you all for the excellent information!  I tore down my system
(Canon 350D / Peleng 8mm / Panosaurus - for the next guy who searches
for this issue) and set it all up once again (I have to admit that the
link below to eppos.jpg was a nice simplistic approach to checking the
alignment).  I took another 4+1+2 (2 nadir opposed 180), things
stitched a little better, but not much different than before.

However, I did have GREAT success with going into advanced mode of
PTGui, selecting the Optimizer tab, keeping the Optimizer in simple
mode, selecting optimize lens Field of View, and selecting Minimize lens
distortion to "Heavy + lens shift", then ran the optimizer.  I ended up
with an average of 1.03, max of 2.47 and min 0.04 - significantly better
points, and subsequently significantly better stitched panos!  This
almost completely eliminated the "nautilus" effect with regard to the
unpatched nadir.  I went back and restitched some panos I took prior to
realigning my setup and they stitched just as precisely as well...

Thanks for the all the continued assistance - I appreciate it tremendously!

Blake

John Houghton wrote:
>
> --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>, Blake Michaelson
> <blake.michaelson@...> wrote:
> >
> > Imagine a nautilus shell put on its side, and shifted 60 about
> > it's "nodal point" - there's a bit of a lip from each pano image
> > that contributes to making the circle look a bit like a pinwheel...
> > if you can imagine what I'm attempting to describe.
>
> This suggests that the lateral positioning of the camera is not
> correct. The entrance pupil may be located correctly front to back,
> but not side to side. Whatever instructions you are following, they
> don't seem to have worked. Try checking the entrance pupil position
> visually using this simple arrangement:
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/j.houghton/eppos.jpg
> <http://homepage.ntlworld.com/j.houghton/eppos.jpg>
> Point the eyepiece at a bright light source to illuminate the
> entrance pupil. Make sure you have the pano head level and use the
> plumb line to check that the entrance pupil is centered on the axis
> point.
>
> Generally, there is no requirement to accurately level the panorama
> head and/or the camera to ensure good stitching. Rotating the camera
> about the no-parallax point is the important thing to get right.
>
> John
>
>

#4395 From: Pat Swovelin <Panoramas@...>
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2006 6:38 am
Subject: Re: FW: PanoTools Group Invitation
nthriwz
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Robert C. Fisher wrote:
> sad isn't it!
>
> I wish John S. would just give it up!

The problem is: you can't tell someone with an attitude they've got an
attitude because they're got an attitude and they don't want to listen.

We *MUST* respond to his lies and accusations now.  Waiting for him to
stop won't ever happen even if we wait until the Earth crashes into the
Sun or Bill Gates goes broke (which ever comes first).

> On Nov 30, 2006, at 8:30 PM, PanoToolsNG.10.m8@... wrote:
>
>> I was just going to compare the recent changes between the two wikis.
>>
>> http://www.panotools.info/mediawiki/index.php?
>> title=Special:Recentchanges
>> compared to, for example...
>> http://wiki.panotools.org/Special:Recentchanges
>>
>> Cheers,
>> DM
>>
>
> Cheers
> Robert C. Fisher
> VR Photography/Cinematography




Pat Swovelin
Cool Guy @ Large

#4396 From: "Roger D. Williams" <roger@...>
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2006 8:25 am
Subject: Re: Re: Consistent stitching errors
roger_d_will...
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Blake, I am so glad you got what you needed. As a moderator of the
list I must say it gives the very greatest satisfaction to think
that we have such knowledgeable and helpful people in the group.
I am only a few years ahead of you, and still groping around near
the bottom of the learning curve but I would still be trying to
warp images in PaintShop pro if it weren't for this list!

Roger W.

On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 17:07:07 +0900, Blake Michaelson
<blake.michaelson@...> wrote:

> Thank you all for the excellent information!  I tore down my system
> (Canon 350D / Peleng 8mm / Panosaurus - for the next guy who searches
> for this issue) and set it all up once again (I have to admit that the
> link below to eppos.jpg was a nice simplistic approach to checking the
> alignment).  I took another 4+1+2 (2 nadir opposed 180), things
> stitched a little better, but not much different than before.
>
> However, I did have GREAT success with going into advanced mode of
> PTGui, selecting the Optimizer tab, keeping the Optimizer in simple
> mode, selecting optimize lens Field of View, and selecting Minimize lens
> distortion to "Heavy + lens shift", then ran the optimizer.  I ended up
> with an average of 1.03, max of 2.47 and min 0.04 - significantly better
> points, and subsequently significantly better stitched panos!  This
> almost completely eliminated the "nautilus" effect with regard to the
> unpatched nadir.  I went back and restitched some panos I took prior to
> realigning my setup and they stitched just as precisely as well...
>
> Thanks for the all the continued assistance - I appreciate it
> tremendously!

--
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#4397 From: Carl von Einem <einem@...>
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2006 9:48 am
Subject: THREAD CLOSED (was: FW: PanoTools Group Invitation)
disiszarl
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Let me please close this thread and ask everyone to not forward such a
message to this list in the first place. Instead (and according to the User
Guidelines <http://wiki.panotools.org/User_Guidelines>) please inform the
moderators at <PanoToolsNG-owner@yahoogroups.com>. You can always find that
address e.g. at the bottom of
<http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PanoToolsNG/>

A better place to discuss topics like this is
<http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PanoTools-List/>

Carl
(Moderator)
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#4398 From: jeffrey <panoramas@...>
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2006 10:23 am
Subject: Re: PanoTools Group Invitation
jefffreymartin
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the psychobaby is at it again! :-O

mister spikowski, you should find a new hobby. how about selling
weapons to third world dictators? or starting your own meth lab.
ANYTHING! Leave us alone.

thanks!

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: PanoTools List <panotools_list@...>

PanoTools Next Generation Members,

Are you tired of the restrictions the moderators have placed on the
mailing list? Are you missing important product announcements
because they aren't allowed on the list? Are you worried about the
mailing list being turned into an corporation you must be a member
of to continue to post?

The original PanoTools group would like to invite you join our forum
and announcement list. The PanoTools group is non-profit and
sponsored by panorama vendors through the use of banners to cover
operational costs. The PanoTools groups is the caretaker of the
PanoTools wiki which is well indexed in the major search engines.
The forum has a gallery you can post your full screen QTVR panorama
to and receive comments from the viewers.

If you have a software or hardware offering that you would like to
promote or make product announcement about, we are here to help. The
PanoTools photographer directory is available and a great way to
receive referrals.

There is no need to unsubscribe from the NG list to join the
PanoTools group. It would no different then joining the PanoGuide
forum, QTVR list or any other panorama community resource that's
available.

Stop on by and check out the PanoTools group site and compare it
with what the NG moderators have to offer.


John Spikowski
PanoTools Admin. Support
http://www.panotools.info
support@...

#4399 From: "mdgrosse" <adv@...>
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2006 11:06 am
Subject: Re: Sigma 10-20 any experiance?
mdgrosse
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Hi
I have a Sigma 10-20 (with Nikon D80) and also used it to shoot a
panorama (http://mdgrosse.net/PanoramaNacht.mov). I often get those
green spots in the image (http://mdgrosse.net/DSC_0088_small.jpg ,
http://mdgrosse.net/DSC_0090_small.jpg). I am very new to photography
so I don't know if this is normal and how the spots are called :-) .

Apart from that the lens is great.

regards
   Michael

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Hans-Dieter Teschner"
<hd_pano@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> does anybody in the list has experiance with the Sigma 10-20mm?
>
> regards
> Hans-Dieter
>

#4400 From: "Bert Vierstra" <vierstra@...>
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2006 11:39 am
Subject: Re: Re: Sigma 10-20 any experiance?
bertvier
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On 12/1/06, mdgrosse <adv@...> wrote:
> Hi
> I have a Sigma 10-20 (with Nikon D80) and also used it to shoot a
> panorama (http://mdgrosse.net/PanoramaNacht.mov). I often get those
> green spots in the image (http://mdgrosse.net/DSC_0088_small.jpg ,
> http://mdgrosse.net/DSC_0090_small.jpg). I am very new to photography
> so I don't know if this is normal and how the spots are called :-) .


UFOs :)

Seems like lens flare to me.....

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best regards,

Bert Vierstra

http://www.360rage.com/
http://www.bali3d.com/

#4401 From: "Paul" <paul.housley@...>
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2006 1:11 pm
Subject: Script generating utilities
paul2698
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What options are there for generating scripts usable by PTmender?

What programs will generate these scripts?

#4402 From: "Ian" <panolists@...>
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2006 2:00 pm
Subject: Re: Script generating utilities
azurevision2003
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--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <paul.housley@...> wrote:
>
> What options are there for generating scripts usable by PTmender?
>
> What programs will generate these scripts?

Anything that can generate a text file. :-) Personally I use Runtime Revolution,
but that's
probably overkill and I mainly use it for other programming purposes.

Ian

#4403 From: "udedomenico" <udedomenico@...>
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2006 3:24 pm
Subject: HDR and RAW processing
udedomenico
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Hello,

In Panotools Florian Bertzbach recommends the following steps for a
simple and effective approach to RAW extraction:
http://www.panotools.info/mediawiki/index.php?
title=Working_with_RAW_files_in_CS2

In the same site Eric Krause tells us about dynamic extraction fro
RAW files:
http://www.panotools.info/mediawiki/index.php?
title=RAW_dynamic_range_extraction

This information is extremely useful to me but I seem to be missing a
very simple detail which is giving me headache in my experiments, and
it's regarding RAW bracketed images:

For instance in the last link I read:
"...To determine this point draw up and down the exposure slider.
..."

The problem I see in my experiments is as follows:
1] I shoot in bracketing and RAW format
2] When I go and treat RAW files I face a serious problem with
exposure.
In fact the exposure should be fixed to say for instance 0,-2, +2.
If I do not do that then later on when I go and merge the 3 pics
together the results will be very poor as the dynamic range is not
well balanced.

If I do not blend 3 pics and I use only one then the high dynamic
range I can achieve is good (one way or the other, especially thanks
for the great tips in panotools).
But some time (especially as far as I can see indoor pics, you really
need to use bracketing)


So to cut the long story short, if you have 3 pics (0,-2,+2) my guess
is that the exposure value should be kept strictly 0,-2,+2 and I
should not be playing with the exposure slider.
Am I correct?

Thanks in advance to you all.
Dedo

#4404 From: "robert_harshman" <image360@...>
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2006 4:40 pm
Subject: Re: 3.8 spherical of Yosemite and others.
robert_harshman
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We used a PixOrb, a 1Ds Mark II and a 100mm lens to shoot ~350 images
> for the spherical panoramas,

Hi Greg, very nice work, would love to see the "real" or full sized
images, thanks for showing this.

I'm curious about one thing however. When you shoot a spherical with a
100mm lens, at what point(s) are you changing the focus point(s) to
shoot the down shots and with a setup like this you must be using a
boom arm to shoot the final nadir work?

Regards,

Robert Harshman
www.robertharshman.com

#4405 From: "smarfingerfeulcher" <rmlcd@...>
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2006 4:47 pm
Subject: Code to insert Quictime movie into web page?
smarfingerfe...
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I want to insert a quicktime movie into an existing web page, into a
table. The movie is 565x350. Is it unreasonable to ask for the bit of
"code" needed for this?
I tried the QVTR html generator but can't figure how to translate that
to the existing page.

I should add that I'm using Front Page, which assures me I can easily
do this, but that they can't help, probably because they didn't invent
or steal Quicktime.....  Hmmm. Does that reflect frustration and a
sense that one vendor isn't what they could be?  Yup.

Thank you!

#4406 From: "Szymon \"Zbooy\" Madej" <panoramy@...>
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2006 12:03 pm
Subject: Central Europe panoramic website - redesigned
zbujcio
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Hello everyone,

Some time ago I started redesigned my panoramic webpage. Graphically it is
now inspired by the Simple PHP Blog, though the underlying CMS is 100% my
own. Every panorama is georeferenced and its location can be shown in Google
Maps or Google Earth; coordinates are also used to find images that were
captured near the current one. If you choose the DevalVR viewer, you get
hotspot functionality in many panoramas too, with links to the neighbouring
ones and tooltips giving more information about some objects (eg. names of
peaks in mountain views). A simple comment system is included as well.

I'd like to invite you to have a look at http://panoramy.zbooy.pl/360/ then.
Any comments, regarding either visual or functional aspects would be most
welcome.

zbooy

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#4407 From: Jim Watters <jwatters@...>
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2006 6:01 pm
Subject: Re: 3.8 spherical of Yosemite and others.
j1vvy
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greg downing wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I just posted a website of some very high resolution panoramas that can be
> navigated via the google maps API. [snip]
> http://www.xrez.com/
>
> -Greg
>
This is simply amazing.  The Google maps API is perfect for this.

--
Jim Watters

jwatters @ photocreations . ca
http://photocreations.ca

#4408 From: Jook Leung <jook360@...>
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2006 7:08 pm
Subject: Re: Central Europe panoramic website - redesigned
jook360
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Wonderful blog site. I need to do one myself. Is there a Wiki page
for setting one up?
The Pod Trzema Koronami panorama made my heart beat faster! Looked
really perilous.

Jook


On Dec 1, 2006, at 7:03 AM, Szymon "Zbooy" Madej wrote:

>
> Hello everyone,
>
> Some time ago I started redesigned my panoramic webpage.
> Graphically it is
> now inspired by the Simple PHP Blog, though the underlying CMS is
> 100% my
> own. Every panorama is georeferenced and its location can be shown
> in Google
> Maps or Google Earth; coordinates are also used to find images that
> were
> captured near the current one. If you choose the DevalVR viewer,
> you get
> hotspot functionality in many panoramas too, with links to the
> neighbouring
> ones and tooltips giving more information about some objects (eg.
> names of
> peaks in mountain views). A simple comment system is included as well.
>
> I'd like to invite you to have a look at http://panoramy.zbooy.pl/
> 360/ then.
> Any comments, regarding either visual or functional aspects would
> be most
> welcome.
>
> zbooy
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Central-Europe-
> panoramic-website---redesigned-tf2737408.html#a7637297
> Sent from the PanoToolsNG mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

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#4409 From: Kathy Wheeler <kathyw@...>
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2006 8:01 am
Subject: Good idea, let it die. Was FW: PanoTools Group Invitation
kwrinkling
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On 01/12/2006, at 6:39 PM, Blake Michaelson wrote:

> A simple "word to the wise" would have sufficed, but thanks for the
> head's up!  Now let's end this worthless thread.  There is so much
> intelligence in this particular community there has got to be a better
> way to rise above these types of petty discussions.  Beat me up with
> link after link to perspicacious PTGui workflows highlighting my
> inability to correctly stitch panos instead, now that would be useful!

Thank you Blake for your insightful suggestion. I wholeheartedly
agree. Then I can go back to hunting for links to full screen QT file
size / quality / compression type / etc recommendations and code ...
got a wonderful pano of a series of storms that went through here a
couple of weeks ago (my first PTGui Mac project!! So much easier than
stitching by hand with the PanoTools photoshop plugin') and there is
soooo much info to wade throu ....

Cheers,
KathyW.

#4410 From: "Ian" <panolists@...>
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2006 9:57 pm
Subject: FW: PanoTools Group Invitation
azurevision2003
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Political and management discussions have no place on this list as it is for
discussion of
panoramas and related topics. This is the kind of off-topic discussion that
bought the
previous Yahoo group to it's knees and is irritating for those who are trying to
discuss
panoramas.

There is a specific place for these discussions and that place is
PanoTools-List. The topic is
being discussed there, if you are interested please sign up at
http://groups.yahoo.com/
group/Panotools-List/ .


Ian Wood, on behalf of the moderators of the PanoToolsNG list.

#4411 From: "Roger Howard" <rogerhoward@...>
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2006 9:49 pm
Subject: catadioptric lens
rogerxhoward
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Interesting new lens design:

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Inexpensive_Design_Aims_To_Improve_Indoor_Secu\
rity_Robot_Navigation_999.html

Not going to dump my fisheye anytime soon, despite all the anti-fisheye
rhetoric, but if these are really so inexpensive it could be fun for
playing with (and based on the samples on the product web site I doubt
it'll be much good for anything beyond play!).

Certainly interesting to see such extreme wide rectilinear images...

-Rh

#4412 From: "gregoryallandowning" <greg@...>
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2006 11:36 pm
Subject: Re: 3.8 spherical of Yosemite and others.
gregoryallan...
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> Hi Greg, very nice work, would love to see the "real" or full sized
> images, thanks for showing this.

Hi Robert, think you may have missed that you can click on the image
and it will open full screen allowing you to explore the full resolution.

> I'm curious about one thing however. When you shoot a spherical with a
> 100mm lens, at what point(s) are you changing the focus point(s) to
> shoot the down shots and with a setup like this you must be using a
> boom arm to shoot the final nadir work?

We did not shoot the nadir nor did we change the focus. In the spi-v
view we cloned the rock we were standing on into the nadir, in the
flat view we just cropped it out because it is so distorted anyway.

#4413 From: "Juergen Schrader" <panorama@...>
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2006 11:43 pm
Subject: Re: HDR and RAW processing
jrgen_schrader
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Well, I haven't yet read the articles but from my own worflow I know
that you usually wouldn't touch exposure sliders when you have real
backeted shots (preferably I shoot them as JPGs).

You only fiddle with the sliders if you want to get "artificially"
bracketed shots from a single RAW exposure. But that's a different
(and long) story ;).

Just try it out and you will see.

Cheers
Jrgen


--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "udedomenico" <udedomenico@...>
wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> In Panotools Florian Bertzbach recommends the following steps for a
> simple and effective approach to RAW extraction:
> http://www.panotools.info/mediawiki/index.php?
> title=Working_with_RAW_files_in_CS2
>
> In the same site Eric Krause tells us about dynamic extraction fro
> RAW files:
> http://www.panotools.info/mediawiki/index.php?
> title=RAW_dynamic_range_extraction
>
> This information is extremely useful to me but I seem to be missing
a
> very simple detail which is giving me headache in my experiments,
and
> it's regarding RAW bracketed images:
>
> For instance in the last link I read:
> "...To determine this point draw up and down the exposure slider.
> ..."
>
> The problem I see in my experiments is as follows:
> 1] I shoot in bracketing and RAW format
> 2] When I go and treat RAW files I face a serious problem with
> exposure.
> In fact the exposure should be fixed to say for instance 0,-2, +2.
> If I do not do that then later on when I go and merge the 3 pics
> together the results will be very poor as the dynamic range is not
> well balanced.
>
> If I do not blend 3 pics and I use only one then the high dynamic
> range I can achieve is good (one way or the other, especially
thanks
> for the great tips in panotools).
> But some time (especially as far as I can see indoor pics, you
really
> need to use bracketing)
>
>
> So to cut the long story short, if you have 3 pics (0,-2,+2) my
guess
> is that the exposure value should be kept strictly 0,-2,+2 and I
> should not be playing with the exposure slider.
> Am I correct?
>
> Thanks in advance to you all.
> Dedo
>

#4414 From: Ylmaz Twofun <twofundesign@...>
Date: Sat Dec 2, 2006 1:08 am
Subject: Maiden Tower / stanbul View
yilmaztufan
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Maiden Tower QTVR from stanbul

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HYPERLINK
"http://www.360tr.com/english/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=271&
Itemid=41"http://www.360tr.com/english/index.php?option=com_content&task=vie
w&id=271&Itemid=41


Hope you like it.


Best Regards


Ylmaz Tufan
HYPERLINK "http://www.360TR.com/english"www.360TR.com/english





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#4415 From: Pat Swovelin <Panoramas@...>
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2006 7:25 pm
Subject: Re: Code to insert Quictime movie into web page?
nthriwz
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smarfingerfeulcher wrote:
> I want to insert a quicktime movie into an existing web page, into a
> table. The movie is 565x350. Is it unreasonable to ask for the bit of
> "code" needed for this?
> I tried the QVTR html generator but can't figure how to translate that
> to the existing page.

Knowing the size of the .MOV can't you simply create a table in FP, look
at the code (there's got to be a way to do that in FP) and set the
table/cell's dimensions to the required size (you should be able to do
that without looking at the code but this IS FP we're talking about),
then merely drop the .MOV into the table cell?

> I should add that I'm using Front Page, which assures me I can easily
> do this, but that they can't help, probably because they didn't invent
> or steal Quicktime..... Hmmm. Does that reflect frustration and a
> sense that one vendor isn't what they could be? Yup.
>
> Thank you!




Pat Swovelin
Cool Guy @ Large

#4416 From: Pat Swovelin <Panoramas@...>
Date: Fri Dec 1, 2006 7:25 am
Subject: Re: FW: PanoTools Group Invitation
nthriwz
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Bert Vierstra wrote:
> On 12/1/06, Robert C. Fisher <bob@...> wrote:
>
>> I wish John S. would just give it up!
>
> He will not, never. He does exactly what he likes, and feels great.
>
> This is just where its all about, getting attention, searching for
> conflicts.

And by not responding we risk all. Keep in mind what Joseph Goebbels said:

If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will
eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such
time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic
and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally
important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for
the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the
truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

No, I'm not sinking to the level of Godwin's Law, rather I won't go
meekly to the showers, I WILL FIGHT all the way until I'm either free or
dead.

We *MUST* respond to his lies and allegations and we must do it now.

> He never did anything wrong, and knows best. The world is against him,
> and he feels he has the right to defend himself against all the injustice.
> Its all their fault.
>
> Here some wikis for JS:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder





Pat Swovelin
Cool Guy @ Large

#4417 From: "Sacha Griffin" <sachagriffin@...>
Date: Sat Dec 2, 2006 2:18 am
Subject: RE: catadioptric lens
sachagriffin
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Couldn't anyone find the image it makes?
Wouldn't that be the thing you'd really want to see?
I checked their site and nada...

Sacha Griffin
Southern Digital Solutions LLC
www.southern-digital.com
www.seeit360.net
www.ezphotosafe.com
404-551-4275
404-731-7798

-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Howard [mailto:rogerhoward@...]
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 4:49 PM
To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PanoToolsNG] catadioptric lens

Interesting new lens design:

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Inexpensive_Design_Aims_To_Improve_Indoor_
Security_Robot_Navigation_999.html

Not going to dump my fisheye anytime soon, despite all the anti-fisheye
rhetoric, but if these are really so inexpensive it could be fun for
playing with (and based on the samples on the product web site I doubt
it'll be much good for anything beyond play!).

Certainly interesting to see such extreme wide rectilinear images...

-Rh



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#4418 From: "Roger D. Williams" <roger@...>
Date: Sat Dec 2, 2006 3:02 am
Subject: Re: catadioptric lens
roger_d_will...
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On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 06:49:02 +0900, Roger Howard
<rogerhoward@...> wrote:

> Interesting new lens design:
>
>
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Inexpensive_Design_Aims_To_Improve_Indoor_Secu\
rity_Robot_Navigation_999.html
>
> Not going to dump my fisheye anytime soon, despite all the anti-fisheye
> rhetoric, but if these are really so inexpensive it could be fun for
> playing with (and based on the samples on the product web site I doubt
> it'll be much good for anything beyond play!).
>
> Certainly interesting to see such extreme wide rectilinear images...

As you say, Roger. But it is always surprising to me how the fact that
straight lines remain straight in the final images is seen as implying
that there is no distortion. In fact there is simply a substitution of
one form of distortion for another. The extreme spatial distortion you
get in the corners of rectilinear images is quite as disturbing to me
as the curvilinear distortion your get from fisheyes. And at the kinds
of FOV they are achieving this becomes VERY pronounced.

Roger W.

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#4419 From: Pat Swovelin <Panoramas@...>
Date: Sat Dec 2, 2006 2:16 am
Subject: Re: Maiden Tower / İstanbul View
nthriwz
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Yılmaz Twofun wrote:
>
> Maiden Tower QTVR from Ýstanbul
>
> HYPERLINK
> "http://www.360tr.com/english/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=275&
> Itemid=46"http://www.360tr.com/english/index.php?option=com_content&task=vie
> w&id=275&Itemid=46
> HYPERLINK
> "http://www.360tr.com/english/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=274&
> Itemid=45"http://www.360tr.com/english/index.php?option=com_content&task=vie
> w&id=274&Itemid=45
> HYPERLINK
> "http://www.360tr.com/english/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=273&
> Itemid=43"http://www.360tr.com/english/index.php?option=com_content&task=vie
> w&id=273&Itemid=43
> HYPERLINK
> "http://www.360tr.com/english/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=272&
> Itemid=42"http://www.360tr.com/english/index.php?option=com_content&task=vie
> w&id=272&Itemid=42
> HYPERLINK
> "http://www.360tr.com/english/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=271&
> Itemid=41"http://www.360tr.com/english/index.php?option=com_content&task=vie
> w&id=271&Itemid=41
>
>
> Hope you like it.

If you use TinyURL.com your readers won't have to repair the broken URLs
in your mail (like you see above).  It's the hot tip for short URLs.

Nice work.  Is this a lighthouse?

> Best Regards
>
>
> Yýlmaz Tufan
> HYPERLINK "http://www.360TR.com/english"www.360TR.com/english




Pat Swovelin
Cool Guy @ Large

#4420 From: Pat Swovelin <Panoramas@...>
Date: Sat Dec 2, 2006 2:48 am
Subject: Re: catadioptric lens
nthriwz
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Sacha Griffin wrote:
> Couldn't anyone find the image it makes?
> Wouldn't that be the thing you'd really want to see?
> I checked their site and nada...

I was only able to find shots OF product but nothing shot BY the
product.  That's not a plus advertising wise.

> Sacha Griffin
> Southern Digital Solutions LLC
> www.southern-digital.com
> www.seeit360.net
> www.ezphotosafe.com
> 404-551-4275
> 404-731-7798
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Howard [mailto:rogerhoward@...]
> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 4:49 PM
> To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PanoToolsNG] catadioptric lens
>
> Interesting new lens design:
>
> http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Inexpensive_Design_Aims_To_Improve_Indoor_
> Security_Robot_Navigation_999.html
>
> Not going to dump my fisheye anytime soon, despite all the anti-fisheye
> rhetoric, but if these are really so inexpensive it could be fun for
> playing with (and based on the samples on the product web site I doubt
> it'll be much good for anything beyond play!).
>
> Certainly interesting to see such extreme wide rectilinear images...
>
> -Rh




Pat Swovelin
Cool Guy @ Large

#4421 From: cyberneddy <bazura@...>
Date: Sat Dec 2, 2006 3:47 am
Subject: Re: catadioptric lens
margaretbazura
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Click on the button "Development History" and scroll down.
mb

On 12/1/06, Pat Swovelin <Panoramas@...> wrote:
>
>   Sacha Griffin wrote:
> > Couldn't anyone find the image it makes?
> > Wouldn't that be the thing you'd really want to see?
> > I checked their site and nada...
>
> I was only able to find shots OF product but nothing shot BY the
> product. That's not a plus advertising wise.
>
> > Sacha Griffin
> > Southern Digital Solutions LLC
> > www.southern-digital.com
> > www.seeit360.net
> > www.ezphotosafe.com
> > 404-551-4275
> > 404-731-7798
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roger Howard
[mailto:rogerhoward@...<rogerhoward%40rogerroger.org>
> ]
> > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 4:49 PM
> > To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com <PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [PanoToolsNG] catadioptric lens
> >
> > Interesting new lens design:
> >
> >
> http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Inexpensive_Design_Aims_To_Improve_Indoor_
> > Security_Robot_Navigation_999.html
> >
> > Not going to dump my fisheye anytime soon, despite all the anti-fisheye
> > rhetoric, but if these are really so inexpensive it could be fun for
> > playing with (and based on the samples on the product web site I doubt
> > it'll be much good for anything beyond play!).
> >
> > Certainly interesting to see such extreme wide rectilinear images...
> >
> > -Rh
>
> Pat Swovelin
> Cool Guy @ Large
>
>


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#4422 From: Fabio Bustamante <contato@...>
Date: Sat Dec 2, 2006 4:21 am
Subject: Computer generated panos
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Hello everybody,

While digging into old things (specially old backup cds) I found
something I would like to share with you - some computer generated pano
I made at university. Here's the link:

www.fabiobustamante.com.br/tfg/

For those interested, some background:

Before I became a photographer I graduated as an architect. That was 3-4
years ago. At the time I was a panorama toddler (I think I was still
considering buying a fisheye) but my 'knowledge' was enough for me to
create some virtual panos. These are virutal panos of my 'Final
Graduation Project', i.e. the project that is the final test for the
architecture student.

At the time I decided to create a residential apartment with a different
desing, as a critic to the unbelievably monotonous and designless
brazilian apartment buildings that keep popping nonstop in our cities.

The apartment consists basically of 6 similar sized spaces - one being
the kitchen, the rest being 'wildcard' ambients that could be used as
bedrooms, library, office, TV room, etc. Five huge folding wooden doors
could be opened and closed to isolate each ambient thus creating radical
- and everyday - changes in the apartment. The kitchen in the heart of
the apartment relates to the brazilian strong habit of spending a lot of
time at the kitchen, even with friends and guests.

I also included 2 images of the facade of the building. For the project
I created a precast facade system composed of 4 different pieces that
were intended to produce an apparent randomness. These concrete pieces
would also define an unique wardrobes layout for each apartment.

The panos were created with 3d Studio by rendering the 6 faces of a cube
for each scene. Each face has 900x900 pixels and still it used to take
more than an hour to render each pano in my old Pentium III 500.

Hope you enjoy it!

All the best,


Fabio.

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