... theme is "Crossroads".  The open shooting period begins at 00:01
on Saturday September 18th and ends at 24:00 on Sunday September 26th.
Those times are relative to the time zone the panorama is shot in.  This
gives you 9 full days to shoot your interpretation of "crossroads".

According to Dictionary.com crossroads are:

cross·road [kraws-rohd, kros-]
--noun
1. a road that crosses another road, or one that runs transversely to
main roads.
2. a by-road.
3. Often, crossroads. ( used with a singular or plural verb )
    a. the place where roads intersect.
    b. a point at which a vital decision must be made.
    c. a main center of activity.

Origin:
1710--20; cross-  + road

I'm sure you get the idea, it's a place where roads, well, cross.
Crossroads have existed for as long as there have been creatures
anywhere in the Universe.  So I'm sure you'll find something that's both
representative of where you are at the time and your personal
experiences with roads that cross.

There are *serious* bonus points for a pano that has Robert Johnson,
Eric Clapton, Tommy Johnson and a chicken all on different corners from
one another at the aforementioned crossroads.




Pat Swovelin
World Wide Panorama Event Coordinator

Get out there and shoot some panoramas!


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what are people using to view panos locally on their mac?

is there a free one?

Jeffrey


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It would appear to be an ongoing - and impressive, undisputed - pissing contest
on the part of Canon without any real application in real life.

Go Canon!

But really, I wish they'd start thinking about more reasonable features.

-GPS chip (i mean *really* - come on!!!)
-accelerometer / gyroscope (for recording position, and/or reducing motion blur)
-faster multiexposure (without mirror flip)
-in-camera exposure blending
-more than 2 stops / 3 shots bracketing
-wifi / local or web uploading from camera

not as romantic as 120MP or 8" x 8" sensor, i know.... maybe the above features
have little value to anyone but me. but i somehow doubt that....




--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Keith Martin <keith@...> wrote:
>
> Sometime around 31/8/10 (at 11:03 -0400) Mark D. Fink said:
>
> >not knowing what the resolution is, maybe not. They are quite
> >vague on that, or did I miss something?
>
> Hard to nail down vapour, but I imagine that the huge jump in light
> sensisitivy is down to much larger sensor sites. Which would mean the
> resolution would not be increased all that much - if at all.
>
> k
>

Here is my choice:
Quicktime  7 Player
Flashplayer
CubicNavigator

Willy


On Sep 1, 2010, at 13:17, Jeffrey Martin | 360Cities.net wrote:

> what are people using to view panos locally on their mac?
>
> is there a free one?
>
> Jeffrey
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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Sometime around 1/9/10 (at 13:17 +0200) Jeffrey Martin | 360Cities.net said:

>what are people using to view panos locally on their mac?

Either QuickTime Player, for QTVR panoramas (still a useful
quick-n-easy way to test things), or any browser window, for
Flash-based panos from Pano2VR. For some reason the Adobe Flash
Player app annoys me... :-)

This is just for quick checking of final output settings; the end
product could be in one or more of a variety of forms.

k

Willy,

There is nothing like the FSPViewer
<http://www.fsoft.it/panorama/FSPViewer.htm> for Mac yet???

I use FSPViewer everyday as part of my workflow, to check
equirectangular files that come out of PTGui I just drop them on the
FSPViewer and I can see in full detail how it looks.

FSP is really great, no need to generate additional flash or mov files
just to dheck how the pano is at some stage in the workflow.

Os melhores cumprimentos,
Best regards,

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Carlos Chegado

Olho de Peixe Lda
Rua Miguel Pais, 48 - B, 2830-356 Barreiro, Portugal
Tel: (+351) 210 88 91 92, Fax: (+351) 210 88 91 99

|| Skype: carloschegado || facebook.com/carloschegado ||
twitter.com/carloschegado ||

|| Fotografia 360º »» www.carloschegado.com || www.olhodepeixe.pt ||
www.xprints.com ||

|| 360cities.net/profile/carlos-chegado || ivrpa.org/user/2153 ||


On 01-09-2010 13:56, Willy Kaemena wrote:
>
>
> Here is my choice:
> Quicktime 7 Player
> Flashplayer
> CubicNavigator
>


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FSPViewer is not for Mac OS available

For checking an equirectangular in the workflow in Photoshop, I use the Pangea
PanoPreviewer plugin

Willy


On Sep 1, 2010, at 15:15, Carlos Chegado - carloschegado.com wrote:

> Willy,
>
> There is nothing like the FSPViewer
> <http://www.fsoft.it/panorama/FSPViewer.htm> for Mac yet???
>
> I use FSPViewer everyday as part of my workflow, to check
> equirectangular files that come out of PTGui I just drop them on the
> FSPViewer and I can see in full detail how it looks.
>
> FSP is really great, no need to generate additional flash or mov files
> just to dheck how the pano is at some stage in the workflow.
>
> Os melhores cumprimentos,
> Best regards,
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Carlos Chegado
>
> Olho de Peixe Lda
> Rua Miguel Pais, 48 - B, 2830-356 Barreiro, Portugal
> Tel: (+351) 210 88 91 92, Fax: (+351) 210 88 91 99
>
> || Skype: carloschegado || facebook.com/carloschegado ||
> twitter.com/carloschegado ||
>
> || Fotografia 360º »» www.carloschegado.com || www.olhodepeixe.pt ||
> www.xprints.com ||
>
> || 360cities.net/profile/carlos-chegado || ivrpa.org/user/2153 ||
>
> On 01-09-2010 13:56, Willy Kaemena wrote:
> >
> >
> > Here is my choice:
> > Quicktime 7 Player
> > Flashplayer
> > CubicNavigator
> >
>
>
>
>
>



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For smooth playback, bookmarks, slideshow mode etc. there's nothing out there on
a Mac that can beat CubicNavigator.

For utility-style viewing, the Pangea plugin for Photoshop is probably the best.

Ian

On 1 Sep 2010, at 12:17, "Jeffrey Martin | 360Cities.net" <360cities@...>
wrote:

> what are people using to view panos locally on their mac?

Hi,
Some colleagues of mine are interested in shooting a number of panoramas in and
around their offices in Grand Rapids, MI.
Alex

It's for orbiting spy satellites or astronomical telescopes.


prague wrote:
> It would appear to be an ongoing - and impressive, undisputed - pissing
contest on the part of Canon without any real application in real life.
>
> Go Canon!
>
> But really, I wish they'd start thinking about more reasonable features.
>
> -GPS chip (i mean *really* - come on!!!)
> -accelerometer / gyroscope (for recording position, and/or reducing motion
blur)
> -faster multiexposure (without mirror flip)
> -in-camera exposure blending
> -more than 2 stops / 3 shots bracketing
> -wifi / local or web uploading from camera
>
> not as romantic as 120MP or 8" x 8" sensor, i know.... maybe the above
features have little value to anyone but me. but i somehow doubt that....
>
>
>
>
> --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Keith Martin <keith@...> wrote:
>> Sometime around 31/8/10 (at 11:03 -0400) Mark D. Fink said:
>>
>>> not knowing what the resolution is, maybe not. They are quite
>>> vague on that, or did I miss something?
>> Hard to nail down vapour, but I imagine that the huge jump in light
>> sensisitivy is down to much larger sensor sites. Which would mean the
>> resolution would not be increased all that much - if at all.
>>
>> k
>>
>
>
>

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Ian Wood <panolists@...> wrote:
>
> For smooth playback, bookmarks, slideshow mode etc. there's nothing out there
on a Mac that can beat CubicNavigator.
>
> For utility-style viewing, the Pangea plugin for Photoshop is probably the
best.

Yes but please Brian lets get it updated for 64 Bit CS5.
I would be happy to pay.

Hans

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Hans <hans@...> wrote:

> --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Ian Wood <panolists@...> wrote:
> >
> > For smooth playback, bookmarks, slideshow mode etc. there's nothing out
> there on a Mac that can beat CubicNavigator.
> >
> > For utility-style viewing, the Pangea plugin for Photoshop is probably
> the best.
>



>
> Yes but please Brian lets get it updated for 64 Bit CS5.
> I would be happy to pay.
>

Me TOO
I'm ready to pay for it !
but I need an update urgent :-)

best
AYRTON

>
> Hans
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
>


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Couldn't agree more, Jeffrey.

  > -more than 2 stops / 3 shots bracketing

This is the dumbest. I bet that when Canon release the US$ 100K 8"x8"
sensor camera, it will have only 2 stop / 3 shots bracketing.

It definitely seems that the evolution of SLR camera's interface is not
in sync with the rest of the UI's world. We're kept stuck with such old
design vices that it even amazes me.

Let me add some more features I'd like to see in future cameras:

- Bluetooth remote with real functions instead of the dumb
wired-focus-and-shutter we've been using for decades. A remote that
allows you to control f-stop, exposure, ISO etc.
- Touchscreen (doh!)
- Hard disk storage
- Better file and folder naming
- More presets to save configurations
- Fully customizable time lapse shooting (preferably with option to
output as full HD video for those movie capable cameras)
- Audio notes
- Maybe getting rid of the shutter? Does a CMOS actually need a physical
shutter in front of it? All I can say is that it limits flash sync
speed, reduces MTBF (medium time between fails) and raises maintenance
costs.
- Definitely better I.S. (image stabilization).

A friend of mine has one of those Sony full HD camcorders (gorgeous
image on a full hd tv, BTW). The effect of the camera's stabilization is
so brutal that it makes my IS lenses look like cheap toys. Really, it
seems you're using some magical steadycam. I don't know how different
their IS technology is from Canon's or if it could be applied to 21mp
photo sensors, but I would *really* like to have something like that in
my camera.

Finally once I thought about a feature to try to raise the chances of
recovering stolen cameras (I had a Canon 5D and several lenses stolen
from me in Chile once). It would work more or less like this: every once
in a while (once every two months, for example - configured by owner)
the camera displays some fake random error message - but very believable
- such as "CMOS Error #23-b please take camera to authorized service".
The camera will then stop working. To disable the fake message the owner
would have to press a specific secret, pre-configured sequence of buttons.

If the equipment was stolen and sold to someone, the new owner would
eventually take the camera to a Canon service. At Canon people would be
able to access the true owner's information stored by him at the camera
including name, address, phone and email, and then contact him to see if
he did sell the camera or if it was stolen.

Of course professional robbers and dealers would know it and try to
break this security as best as they can, but still I believe some people
would fall for that. :-)

Em 01/09/2010 08:32, prague escreveu:
> It would appear to be an ongoing - and impressive, undisputed - pissing
contest on the part of Canon without any real application in real life.
>
> Go Canon!
>
> But really, I wish they'd start thinking about more reasonable features.
>
> -GPS chip (i mean *really* - come on!!!)
> -accelerometer / gyroscope (for recording position, and/or reducing motion
blur)
> -faster multiexposure (without mirror flip)
> -in-camera exposure blending
> -more than 2 stops / 3 shots bracketing
> -wifi / local or web uploading from camera
>
> not as romantic as 120MP or 8" x 8" sensor, i know.... maybe the above
features have little value to anyone but me. but i somehow doubt that....
>
>

Am 01.09.2010 01:21, schrieb Paul D. DeRocco:
>> >  You need a large format lens of course, but the aperture has not
>> >  necessarily be larger than normal. If a sensor pixel captures
>> >  a certain
>> >  number of photons from a given lens at a given aperture 100
>> >  pixels will
>> >  capture 100 times as much photons. If now one pixel is as
>> >  large as 100
>> >  pixels in the other sensor it captures 100 times as much
>> >  photons, too.
>> >  Always with the same lens and aperture.
> It only does that if the FOV is 10 times as large (linearly), doesn't it?

No. You simply need a different lens - a large format one as they where
in use for ages - to have an image circle that is big enough for that
sensor. Such a lens has a much longer focal length if it covers the same
field of view as a lens for a DSLR.

But this has nothing to do with the pixel size. You can have large
pixels in a small sensor which would result in low resolution. If you
increase sensor size (but not pixel size) and focal length
proportionally you get more resolution at same field of view.

If you increase sensor size, pixel size and focal length proportionally
you have always the same resolution and the same field of view but any
single pixel gathers more light and hence produces less noise.

That is what makes the difference between a full format sensor and the
match head sized sensor of a compact digital. And that makes the
difference between a large format sensor and a DSLR.

--
Erik Krause
http://www.erik-krause.de

Just to let know to anybody interested in project:

There is 0.2 version release of SaladoPlayer
with some usability fixes and swf hotspots.

http://github.com/mstandio/SaladoPlayer/downloads

Also, there are some new entries in wiki

http://panozona.com/wiki/

Am 01.09.2010 15:15, schrieb Carlos Chegado - carloschegado.com:
> FSP is really great, no need to generate additional flash or mov files
> just to dheck how the pano is at some stage in the workflow.

Same applies to DevalVR standalone player.

BTW.: Isn't it possible to use a Java based player standalone on Mac?

--
Erik Krause
http://www.erik-krause.de

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Erik Krause <erik.krause@...> wrote:
>
> Am 01.09.2010 15:15, schrieb Carlos Chegado - carloschegado.com:
> > FSP is really great, no need to generate additional flash or mov files
> > just to dheck how the pano is at some stage in the workflow.
>
> Same applies to DevalVR standalone player.
>
> BTW.: Isn't it possible to use a Java based player standalone on Mac?
>

I can view 20.000x10.000 with previewer.
Can you do that with Java.?

I hope that I can view even larger when it gets updated to 64 bit.


Hans

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "mstandio" <mstandio@...> wrote:
>
> Just to let know to anybody interested in project:
>
> There is 0.2 version release of SaladoPlayer
> with some usability fixes and swf hotspots.
>
> http://github.com/mstandio/SaladoPlayer/downloads
>
> Also, there are some new entries in wiki
>
> http://panozona.com/wiki/
>

Super!  Thanks for doing this!  BTW, you should consider creating some sort of
'logo' for your stuff to put on web pages that feature your code (right?).  On
my pages that feature your stuff, I have a logo for 'PanoSalado' that I found,
but nothing (yet) for 'SaladoPlayer'.

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Darren" <darethehair@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "mstandio" <mstandio@> wrote:
> >
> > Just to let know to anybody interested in project:
> >
> > There is 0.2 version release of SaladoPlayer
> > with some usability fixes and swf hotspots.
> >
> > http://github.com/mstandio/SaladoPlayer/downloads
> >
> > Also, there are some new entries in wiki
> >
> > http://panozona.com/wiki/
> >
>
> Super!  Thanks for doing this!  BTW, you should consider creating some sort of
'logo' for your stuff to put on web pages that feature your code (right?).  On
my pages that feature your stuff, I have a logo for 'PanoSalado' that I found,
but nothing (yet) for 'SaladoPlayer'.
>

Thanks for your kind words!
I have plans for some customizations in NavigationBar since version 0.3 I will
think about logo when I will be closer to 1.0 release.
Cant tell when will this happen though, I dont know for how long I will have
steam for doing this ;]

dude! you're shooting too many shots. and with the seam in the middle you might
get some funky stuff.

with 1.6 sensor and samyang 8mm you only need to shoot 4 around + 1 up (+ 1
down)
"up" and "down" specifically i mean only 50 or 60 degrees.

forget about the 'down' shot if you don't mind a hole.

but if 8 shots works for you, really, then go for it...


--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Darren" <darethehair@...> wrote:
>
> FYI:
>
> For now, as mentioned previously on this thread, I have settled into an
> '8 shot' (4 tilted up & 4 tilted down) for use with my 1.6 sensor Canon
> and 8mm Samyang lens.  However, realizing that I would be *terrible* at
> guessing where 20 degree tilt up/down would be, I fumbled with some
> bubble levels and scrap metal pieces to make a 'panorama tilt assistant'
> for my camera:
>
> http://darethehair.no-ip.org/dmenns/photos.html#gadgets
> <http://darethehair.no-ip.org/dmenns/photos.html#gadgets>
>
> I also put these photos in the 'Photos' section of this Yahoo group, but
> more than a day later they still don't seem to show up properly (?).
>
> To me, this is a application of the 'Philopod Pitch Variation'
> technique:
>
> http://wiki.panotools.org/Philopod_pitch_variation
> <http://wiki.panotools.org/Philopod_pitch_variation>
>
> It is an alternative to the following implementations:
>
> http://www.nutemple.com/templetalk/level-guide/
> <http://www.nutemple.com/templetalk/level-guide/>
> http://www.californiaphotoforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2501
> <http://www.californiaphotoforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2501>
>
> I would be curious if anyone else has done something like this too (?).
>
>
>
>
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>

Sorry. I forgot to specify -

an EQUIRECT player.

like on a PC, the beautiful DevalVR player - drop an equirect on it, and view
the pano.

I absolutely don't want Quicktime or Flash player - building a pano file in
order to view it locally seems like a waste of time...

thanks,
jeffrey

This just stunned me:

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/canon-expo.shtml

Scroll down to the Ultra High Resolution Panorama Camera

What the heck?
I thought Canon didn't give shit about the panoramas niche market, given
their misses in the current camera lineup!
My mouth is watering already...

And don't miss the movie in the bottom of the page too, check the
gorgeous circular displays there too, could use some panoramas tough ;-)


--

Os melhores cumprimentos,
Best regards,

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Carlos Chegado

Olho de Peixe Lda
Rua Miguel Pais, 48 - B, 2830-356 Barreiro, Portugal
Tel: (+351) 210 88 91 92, Fax: (+351) 210 88 91 99

|| Skype: carloschegado || facebook.com/carloschegado ||
twitter.com/carloschegado ||

|| Fotografia 360º »» www.carloschegado.com || www.olhodepeixe.pt ||
www.xprints.com ||

|| 360cities.net/profile/carlos-chegado || ivrpa.org/user/2153 ||



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there's a good chance i'll be in munich around oktoberfest....

is anyone up for a small panos/beers meeting? i hear those 1 liter beer
glasses make good tabletop panoheads.....

jeffrey


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--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "prague" <360cities@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry. I forgot to specify -
>
> an EQUIRECT player.
>
> like on a PC, the beautiful DevalVR player - drop an equirect on it, and view
the pano.
>
> I absolutely don't want Quicktime or Flash player - building a pano file in
order to view it locally seems like a waste of time...
>
> thanks,
As already mentioned Brians Panopreviwer in Photoshop
http://www.pangeasoft.net/pano/plugin/panopreviewer.html

I do not  understand why he says that it does not work properly in CS4.
It is not updated for CS5 64bit so you need to run CS5 as 32bit. It's the same
for Noise Ninja, they have also not updated to 64 bit yet.

I actually run both CS4 in 32 and CS5 in CS5 because of this.

Panopreviewer for large panoramas works best if you reduce the memory in
Photoshop just like other plugins because this allows more memory to the plugin.
To view a 20.000 pano I need to set my CS4 to only 1 Gb. This is why an update
to 64 bit will improve it conciderably.


Another option nobody has mentioned is Spi-V. Aldo still has it for download
here
http://fieldofview.com/spv-dev/downloads

I have not used it for many years but I just downloded the standalone and it
works fine.
Tested it with an 14800x7400 and to my surprise it worked. (iMac i7 8 GB ram)

However it took 20 sec with black window to convert the equirectangular to cubes
for viewing. A 6000x3000 opens in 3 sec.

Hans

there's a good chance i'll be in munich around oktoberfest....

is anyone up for a small panos/beers meeting? i hear those 1 liter beer
glasses make good tabletop panoheads.....

jeffrey


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a much improved version is now  available  for iPhone and iPad. The whole
interface was changed and is now MUCH better than the first version which was
introduced in April 2010.

http://itunes.apple.com/de/app/tour-wrist/id335671384?mt=8



TourWrist is a panoviewer app.  which makes use of all available sensors of the
iPhone/iPad  and is an impressive showcase for panoramas.


I am not  involved in that company,  but   I think it could be interesting to
have  a look at that much improved version.


Willy


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Sometime around 2/9/10 (at 07:57 +0000) prague said:

>I absolutely don't want Quicktime or Flash player - building a pano
>file in order to view it locally seems like a waste of time...

I see what you mean. Although it does depend partly what you're
looking for when you view it. I generally want to see the effect of a
particular combination of pixel size and JPEG compression derived
from my max-size 16-bit TIFF equirect. Can't do that without building
a pano, really. Or spitting out an optimised JPEG equirect, at least,
at which point it makes little difference. :-)

k

Sometime around 2/9/10 (at 11:01 +0200) Jeffrey Martin | 360Cities.net said:

>i hear those 1 liter beer
>glasses make good tabletop panoheads.....

Steinopod! Beer with a (four-) shot chaser.
But too many of these and you'll end up on your nadir...

k

I am do some research about my option for doing panoramic videos

I have chosen dual-fisheye setup (spherecam like)
two full-HD (1920×1080)@25fps cameras

Witch one of the projection types (Equirectangular, cubic) give me the best
image quality to file size?

What screen size should I focus for (320x240, 640x480, 800x600)?

I know about flash video (Sorenson Spark or VP6) and  H.264
but what about using Mjpeg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_JPEG) ?

tom_a_sparks
Light travels faster then sound, which is why some people appear bright, until
you hear them speak

So the 120 mega pixel CMOS is for panos... could we ask for anything more?
:)

Trausti



On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 3:22 AM, Carlos Chegado - carloschegado.com <
mail@...> wrote:

>
>
> This just stunned me:
>
> http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/canon-expo.shtml
>
> Scroll down to the Ultra High Resolution Panorama Camera
>
> What the heck?
> I thought Canon didn't give shit about the panoramas niche market, given
> their misses in the current camera lineup!
> My mouth is watering already...
>
> And don't miss the movie in the bottom of the page too, check the
> gorgeous circular displays there too, could use some panoramas tough ;-)
>
> --
>
> Os melhores cumprimentos,
> Best regards,
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Carlos Chegado
>
> Olho de Peixe Lda
> Rua Miguel Pais, 48 - B, 2830-356 Barreiro, Portugal
> Tel: (+351) 210 88 91 92, Fax: (+351) 210 88 91 99
>
> || Skype: carloschegado || facebook.com/carloschegado ||
> twitter.com/carloschegado ||
>
> || Fotografia 360º »» www.carloschegado.com || www.olhodepeixe.pt ||
> www.xprints.com ||
>
> || 360cities.net/profile/carlos-chegado || ivrpa.org/user/2153 ||
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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