On Jan 30, 2011, at 2:01 PM, cscrrm wrote:

> that was a very detailed and accurate description of the state of VR today.
thanks for the advice and hopefully we can make some standards.
>
> How can the community help on this regard?

Rey, thanks for writing. A few things that you (and others) can do:

- create awesome VR panoramas so we can impress the world

- always put the words VR panorama and 360 somewhere on your web pages and in
the metadata

- participate in the World Wide Panorama, its free and you get your name in the
Meet the People section - there is one day left to enter Best of 2010, all you
need is one good pano you took in 2010 http://WorldWidePanorama.org

- join the IVRPA, the association for VR professionals http://ivrpa.org

-  attend one of the IVRPA conferences if you can, the next one is in Portugal
in June http://Palmela2011.com the last one was in Arizona http://Tucson2010.com

Hope to see you in Palmela!
Don

This may be too wide and I still need to do more work on the photos.
Shot with 2 cameras, 19 shots each, stitched with whole photos (not cropped to
smaller widths) didn't make template for the second image. The right Canon 5Dmk2
camera would not focus right with Canon 15mm lens, camera sent in for repairs.
http://www.indiavrtours.com/vrphotos/3d2.html

Roger Berry

taking you to a higher level - literally
http://bavaria360.de/baustelle/baustelle.html

cheers
jürgen

oh, yes, of course: single camera, 50 images, 5dmkii, tokina 10-17@12mm, offset
about 5cm

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "onezebra1" <onezebra1@...> wrote:
>
> This may be too wide ....

Roger, The images need to be transposed if there is to be any possibility of
viewing the images in 3D at this size, for which you can use the cross-eyed
method.  Only by zooming the window to less than 50% (on my screen) can I see
the 3D effect with the eyes straight ahead, but the image is then far too small.

John

Ok, how about this width? Problem will be different screens will be different
view sizes.
http://www.indiavrtours.com/vrphotos/3d.html

I'm looking at getting some 3-D TV Stereo Prism Glasses that they sell on
amazom.com
They say these will work on any size screen.

Roger Berry


--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "John Houghton" <j.houghton@...> wrote:
>
> --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "onezebra1" <onezebra1@> wrote:
> >
> > This may be too wide ....
>
> Roger, The images need to be transposed if there is to be any possibility of
viewing the images in 3D at this size, for which you can use the cross-eyed
method.  Only by zooming the window to less than 50% (on my screen) can I see
the 3D effect with the eyes straight ahead, but the image is then far too small.
>
> John
>

Yeah come on Don, give us a bit of credit. We're at least a 60-pound gorilla at
this point :-)

Jeffrey



--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Erik Krause <erik.krause@...> wrote:
>
> Am 29.01.2011 20:43, schrieb Don Bain:
> > Ask Google for a place name, even a rare one, and you get lots of links, but
not many panos.
>
> Ask in the right place - in Google Earth - and you get the panoramas at
> the same level as the other user contributed images: 360cities is no
> separate layer anymore you need to activate, it's active by default
> together with panoramio as photos layer in the primary database. Look
> for the small red squares (panoramio is blue)...
>
> I agree that there are too little of them. But 360cities is growing fast...
>
> --
> Erik Krause
> http://www.erik-krause.de
>

On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 18:09:27 +0900, onezebra1 <onezebra1@...> wrote:

> Ok, how about this width? Problem will be different screens will be
> different view sizes.
> http://www.indiavrtours.com/vrphotos/3d.html


The stereo prism glasses I use require the images to be one over the
other, which of course is ideal for panoramas with high aspect
ratios. They give an excellent stereo experience... But they are
so uncommon that I fear very few would get to enjoy your stereo
images.

But rather than reduce the width of the images so that straight on
viewing is possible, why not provide them for cross-eyed viewing
as John suggested?

This would allow you to make far better use of screen real estate.

Roger W,

>
> I'm looking at getting some 3-D TV Stereo Prism Glasses that they sell
> on amazom.com
> They say these will work on any size screen.
>
> Roger Berry
>
>
> --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "John Houghton" <j.houghton@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "onezebra1" <onezebra1@> wrote:
>> >
>> > This may be too wide ....
>>
>> Roger, The images need to be transposed if there is to be any
>> possibility of viewing the images in 3D at this size, for which you can
>> use the cross-eyed method.  Only by zooming the window to less than 50%
>> (on my screen) can I see the 3D effect with the eyes straight ahead,
>> but the image is then far too small.
>>
>> John
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>


--
Work: www.adex-japan.com

On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 19:01:58 +0900, Roger D. Williams
<roger@...> wrote:

> On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 18:09:27 +0900, onezebra1 <onezebra1@...>
> wrote:
>
>> Ok, how about this width? Problem will be different screens will be
>> different view sizes.
>> http://www.indiavrtours.com/vrphotos/3d.html
>

Roger, after searching for the Amazon glasses I see that they use a
different principle from my own, which are probably better called
"periscope" goggles. Mine uses mirrors to direct the L & R eyes
to images one above the other. As I said, this enables wide but
shallow images (like most non-VR panoramas) to be viewed spread
across the entire screen. But as I also said, this is pretty rare
and won't get you many viewers. It is highly effective and quite
free of eye strain for viewing my own images, which is what I use
it for...

Roger W.

--
Work: www.adex-japan.com

I had heard about cross-eye viewing but just now did a search and found out more
about it.
Right now I'm just playing with this style because I at work for the next few
days and can't work on the photos.

At Amazon I found 3 types of viewers:
Pokescope® 3D Stereo Viewer.
3-D TV Stereo Prism Glasses.
Adjustable 3D Stereo Wide Viewer for Monitor and 3D Prints.

Roger Berry


> The stereo prism glasses I use require the images to be one over the
> other, which of course is ideal for panoramas with high aspect
> ratios. They give an excellent stereo experience... But they are
> so uncommon that I fear very few would get to enjoy your stereo
> images.
>
> But rather than reduce the width of the images so that straight on
> viewing is possible, why not provide them for cross-eyed viewing
> as John suggested?
>
> This would allow you to make far better use of screen real estate.
>
> Roger W,
>

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "onezebra1" <onezebra1@...> wrote:
>
> Ok, how about this width? Problem will be different screens will be different
view sizes.

That's still slightly too big a separation on my screen (3 inches) but I can
manage to fuse the images if I move back a bit.  It's a poor viewing experience,
though.  Prism glasses would be essential.

Anyone not able to manage the straight ahead method might like to try this
autostereo image.  To see the proper effect, move close to the screen and look
through it to see a blurry image but let the repeating pattern snap into
alignment.  Then move away from the screen anf focus without losing the
alignment.  You should see a shark in front of the flat background.

John

Do you have plans or design specs for a home-made pole on which I can mount a
DSLR with fisheye lens and take VRs with a remote shutter release? Care to share
it here?

Thanks in advance.

Note to Willy: No Viaga jokes, please.

As I mentioned, I make a living selling interpretive DVDs that feature
VR imaging.

I have noticed that the general level of awareness of the technology and
acceptance of it as a standard media type has reached a new level in the
past year or so.

I recently visited the Grand Canyon to repair one of my kiosks. I met
two new managers of the stores there, and I didn't have to explain
anything to them. They both praised my product and there was none of the
hidden fear that I was probably an alien that has often in the past been
present in the meetings with new store managers. One of the managers
even told me that when a visitor asks about a location within the Canyon
she often goes to my product display with the visitor and uses my VR
imaging to show the tourist "exactly what the place they are looking
for" is like.

So although it may have taken about 15 years longer than expected in
1994 or whenever Apple introduced the technology for it to be understood
and and thought of as standard media, I do think that that sort of
quantum leap in the understanding of the uninitiated of our work is
happening. And not a moment too soon, I must admit from my business's
bottom line point of view.

I notice this change in meeting with the retail managers and executive
directors of National Park Associations too when I am bringing out a
product like the new series of DVDs on the Sierra Nevada I premiered
last season. I just have to show them the quality of my work now,
usually, in the context of presenting a new product. I don't have to
introduce them to the idea of 360 immersive imaging anymore.

Paul Fretheim

Make a simple pano head like this and mount it on a painters pole.
http://indiavrtours.com/pic/tokina10-17mm_shaved.jpg
Use a Pixie painter pole adapter, Converts standard painter pole into an aerial
camera mount.

Roger Berry

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Peter" <peter@...> wrote:
>
> Do you have plans or design specs for a home-made pole on which I can mount a
DSLR with fisheye lens and take VRs with a remote shutter release? Care to share
it here?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Note to Willy: No Viaga jokes, please.
>

I made one using a collapsible flag pole.



http://www.flickr.com/photos/rickthephotoguy/3087888675/#/photos/rickthephot
oguy/3087888675/in/set-72157610767007095/



Rick Drew



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On Jan 31, 2011, at 1:24 AM, prague wrote:

> Yeah come on Don, give us a bit of credit. We're at least a 60-pound gorilla
at this point :-)
> --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Erik Krause <erik.krause@...> wrote:
> > Ask in the right place - in Google Earth - and you get the panoramas at

Of course! I didn't mean to belittle your efforts and the success of 360Cities
in promoting VR and making it accessible. Many people will stumble upon
panoramas now while cruising around in Google Earth - people who would never go
looking for it (partly because they don't know what to call it). Too bad that
Panoramio confuses the nomenclature.

Also we are seeing panoramas in FaceBook and on WordPress sites, it is all
adding up.

The gorilla I was talking about is the sort of overwhelmingly large and powerful
company that can support a technology (remember we were talking about delivery
of VR) and let us ride along on their coat-tails as content producers.

There aren't many of those beasts out there - IBM has gone elsewhere, Microsoft
is in a coma, Apple has turned its back on us, Google has their own version of
VR, Macromedia was swallowed by Adobe, and Adobe doesn't seem to know about us.

So my conclusion is that our future lies in open-source technologies supported
by all major browsers. Just like jpegs and basic javascript, resources you can
take for granted. Our present experiments with html 5 are, IMHO, a glimpse of
the future.

The danger is that one of the gorillas may delay or even wreck the standards
compliance that is a necessary part of this. Luckily we are steadily approaching
a "balance of power" where no one browser dominates and support for standards
may actually be an asset.

PS- A 60 lb gorilla is just a kid. You might have more fun as a full-grown
bonobo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZiTzxL3Nh4
(Caution, adult content!)

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Ian Wood <panolists@...>wrote:

>
>
> A minor correction - on any current version of OS X you do not need to
> install *anything* to view a QTVR file in Safari or QuickLook via the
> Finder, it's only if you want to view QTVR files in the QT Player app.
>
>
> Also, it installs over the Internet, not from the Snow Leopard DVD, and it
only warns you the first time... so for the *few* people (mostly us here!)
wanting to view QuicktimeVR movies within Quicktime Player, there's an extra
step the first time... for people just viewing online, it's the same as it
always was.

I'd expect with the next major OS release this split between Quicktime and
Quicktime X will fade and QTX will fully support QTVR playback. Don't expect
major QTVR improvements, but I don't see it going away either (it doesn't
depend on legacy codecs or third-party code, like Sorensen or Cinepak).

-R


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Man if you guys feel like the step child, those of us that shoot
objects were thrown out with the bath water. We don't even have a name
as good as panoramic. For some reason it was cool to call other stuff
360.

OK, I'm done ranting, on with your normal programming.


Matt Smith
PhotoSpherix
317.396.5791
360 Product Photography
Indianapolis, Indiana USA
http://www.photospherix.com

On Jan 31, 2011, at 1:09 PM, Roger Howard wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Ian Wood <panolists@...
> >wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> A minor correction - on any current version of OS X you do not need
>> to
>> install *anything* to view a QTVR file in Safari or QuickLook via the
>> Finder, it's only if you want to view QTVR files in the QT Player
>> app.
>>
>>
>> Also, it installs over the Internet, not from the Snow Leopard DVD,
>> and it
> only warns you the first time... so for the *few* people (mostly us
> here!)
> wanting to view QuicktimeVR movies within Quicktime Player, there's
> an extra
> step the first time... for people just viewing online, it's the same
> as it
> always was.
>
> I'd expect with the next major OS release this split between
> Quicktime and
> Quicktime X will fade and QTX will fully support QTVR playback.
> Don't expect
> major QTVR improvements, but I don't see it going away either (it
> doesn't
> depend on legacy codecs or third-party code, like Sorensen or
> Cinepak).
>
> -R
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> --
>
>
>



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How about a poll/contest to come up with a meaningful name? Winner gets a
beer and mention in Wikipedia for having coined the name.

I shared my "Interactive Immersive Images" or I3 Eye cube, get it? :o)
Although much of that pun depends on the English language...

Mark

www.northernlight.net
www.virtual-travels.com
www.pinnacle-vr.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Don Bain
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:10 PM
> To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PanoToolsNG] Re: Future of VR Panoramas - WAS: Apple dropped
> QTVR
>
> On Jan 31, 2011, at 1:24 AM, prague wrote:
>
> > Yeah come on Don, give us a bit of credit. We're at least a 60-pound
> gorilla at this point :-)
> > --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Erik Krause <erik.krause@...> wrote:
> > > Ask in the right place - in Google Earth - and you get the panoramas
> at
>
> Of course! I didn't mean to belittle your efforts and the success of
> 360Cities in promoting VR and making it accessible. Many people will
> stumble upon panoramas now while cruising around in Google Earth - people
> who would never go looking for it (partly because they don't know what to
> call it). Too bad that Panoramio confuses the nomenclature.
>
> Also we are seeing panoramas in FaceBook and on WordPress sites, it is all
> adding up.
>
> The gorilla I was talking about is the sort of overwhelmingly large and
> powerful company that can support a technology (remember we were talking
> about delivery of VR) and let us ride along on their coat-tails as content
> producers.
>
> There aren't many of those beasts out there - IBM has gone elsewhere,
> Microsoft is in a coma, Apple has turned its back on us, Google has their
> own version of VR, Macromedia was swallowed by Adobe, and Adobe doesn't
> seem to know about us.
>
> So my conclusion is that our future lies in open-source technologies
> supported by all major browsers. Just like jpegs and basic javascript,
> resources you can take for granted. Our present experiments with html 5
> are, IMHO, a glimpse of the future.
>
> The danger is that one of the gorillas may delay or even wreck the
> standards compliance that is a necessary part of this. Luckily we are
> steadily approaching a "balance of power" where no one browser dominates
> and support for standards may actually be an asset.
>
> PS- A 60 lb gorilla is just a kid. You might have more fun as a full-grown
> bonobo.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZiTzxL3Nh4
> (Caution, adult content!)

I like "Interactive Panorama" myself. That what I use on my website.

Mark Houston
360Michigan
http://www.360michigan.net

On Jan 31, 2011, at 3:25 PM, "Mark D. Fink" <markdfink@...> wrote:

> How about a poll/contest to come up with a meaningful name? Winner gets a
> beer and mention in Wikipedia for having coined the name.
>
> I shared my "Interactive Immersive Images" or I3 Eye cube, get it? :o)
> Although much of that pun depends on the English language...
>
> Mark
>
> www.northernlight.net
> www.virtual-travels.com
> www.pinnacle-vr.com
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of Don Bain
> > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:10 PM
> > To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [PanoToolsNG] Re: Future of VR Panoramas - WAS: Apple dropped
> > QTVR
> >
> > On Jan 31, 2011, at 1:24 AM, prague wrote:
> >
> > > Yeah come on Don, give us a bit of credit. We're at least a 60-pound
> > gorilla at this point :-)
> > > --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Erik Krause <erik.krause@...> wrote:
> > > > Ask in the right place - in Google Earth - and you get the panoramas
> > at
> >
> > Of course! I didn't mean to belittle your efforts and the success of
> > 360Cities in promoting VR and making it accessible. Many people will
> > stumble upon panoramas now while cruising around in Google Earth - people
> > who would never go looking for it (partly because they don't know what to
> > call it). Too bad that Panoramio confuses the nomenclature.
> >
> > Also we are seeing panoramas in FaceBook and on WordPress sites, it is all
> > adding up.
> >
> > The gorilla I was talking about is the sort of overwhelmingly large and
> > powerful company that can support a technology (remember we were talking
> > about delivery of VR) and let us ride along on their coat-tails as content
> > producers.
> >
> > There aren't many of those beasts out there - IBM has gone elsewhere,
> > Microsoft is in a coma, Apple has turned its back on us, Google has their
> > own version of VR, Macromedia was swallowed by Adobe, and Adobe doesn't
> > seem to know about us.
> >
> > So my conclusion is that our future lies in open-source technologies
> > supported by all major browsers. Just like jpegs and basic javascript,
> > resources you can take for granted. Our present experiments with html 5
> > are, IMHO, a glimpse of the future.
> >
> > The danger is that one of the gorillas may delay or even wreck the
> > standards compliance that is a necessary part of this. Luckily we are
> > steadily approaching a "balance of power" where no one browser dominates
> > and support for standards may actually be an asset.
> >
> > PS- A 60 lb gorilla is just a kid. You might have more fun as a full-grown
> > bonobo.
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZiTzxL3Nh4
> > (Caution, adult content!)
>
>


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We call them "Imágenes Panorámicas Interactivas" in the subtropical regions
of México, which translates to "Interactive panoramic images".

2011/1/31 Mark Houston <Mark@...>

>
>
> I like "Interactive Panorama" myself. That what I use on my website.
>
> Mark Houston
> 360Michigan
> http://www.360michigan.net
>
>
> On Jan 31, 2011, at 3:25 PM, "Mark D. Fink"
<markdfink@...<markdfink%40northernlight.net>>
> wrote:
>
> > How about a poll/contest to come up with a meaningful name? Winner gets a
> > beer and mention in Wikipedia for having coined the name.
> >
> > I shared my "Interactive Immersive Images" or I3 Eye cube, get it? :o)
> > Although much of that pun depends on the English language...
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > www.northernlight.net
> > www.virtual-travels.com
> > www.pinnacle-vr.com
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com <PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:
> PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com <PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>] On
> > > Behalf Of Don Bain
> > > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:10 PM
> > > To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com <PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [PanoToolsNG] Re: Future of VR Panoramas - WAS: Apple
> dropped
> > > QTVR
> > >
> > > On Jan 31, 2011, at 1:24 AM, prague wrote:
> > >
> > > > Yeah come on Don, give us a bit of credit. We're at least a 60-pound
> > > gorilla at this point :-)
> > > > --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com <PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Erik Krause <erik.krause@...> wrote:
> > > > > Ask in the right place - in Google Earth - and you get the
> panoramas
> > > at
> > >
> > > Of course! I didn't mean to belittle your efforts and the success of
> > > 360Cities in promoting VR and making it accessible. Many people will
> > > stumble upon panoramas now while cruising around in Google Earth -
> people
> > > who would never go looking for it (partly because they don't know what
> to
> > > call it). Too bad that Panoramio confuses the nomenclature.
> > >
> > > Also we are seeing panoramas in FaceBook and on WordPress sites, it is
> all
> > > adding up.
> > >
> > > The gorilla I was talking about is the sort of overwhelmingly large and
> > > powerful company that can support a technology (remember we were
> talking
> > > about delivery of VR) and let us ride along on their coat-tails as
> content
> > > producers.
> > >
> > > There aren't many of those beasts out there - IBM has gone elsewhere,
> > > Microsoft is in a coma, Apple has turned its back on us, Google has
> their
> > > own version of VR, Macromedia was swallowed by Adobe, and Adobe doesn't
> > > seem to know about us.
> > >
> > > So my conclusion is that our future lies in open-source technologies
> > > supported by all major browsers. Just like jpegs and basic javascript,
> > > resources you can take for granted. Our present experiments with html 5
> > > are, IMHO, a glimpse of the future.
> > >
> > > The danger is that one of the gorillas may delay or even wreck the
> > > standards compliance that is a necessary part of this. Luckily we are
> > > steadily approaching a "balance of power" where no one browser
> dominates
> > > and support for standards may actually be an asset.
> > >
> > > PS- A 60 lb gorilla is just a kid. You might have more fun as a
> full-grown
> > > bonobo.
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZiTzxL3Nh4
> > > (Caution, adult content!)
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



--
L.D.I. Felipe B. González C.
felipe@...
1998-5246
www.fpk.com.mx
http://recorridosvirtualesmexico.blogspot.com/

Socio Director Maquetas Virtuales www.maquetasvirtuales.com
Socio Director Recorridos Virtuales www.recorridosvirtuales.com


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Actually this might be good Interactive Panoramic Images would give the same
initials IPI.

Greg

> -----Original Message-----
> From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of L.D.I. Felipe B. González
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:52 PM
> To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PanoToolsNG] Re: Future of VR Panoramas - WAS: Apple dropped
> QTVR
>
> We call them "Imágenes Panorámicas Interactivas" in the subtropical
regions
> of México, which translates to "Interactive panoramic images".
>
> 2011/1/31 Mark Houston <Mark@...>
>
> >
> >
> > I like "Interactive Panorama" myself. That what I use on my website.
> >
> > Mark Houston
> > 360Michigan
> > http://www.360michigan.net
> >
> >
> > On Jan 31, 2011, at 3:25 PM, "Mark D. Fink"
> <markdfink@...<markdfink%40northernlight.net>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > How about a poll/contest to come up with a meaningful name? Winner
gets a
> > > beer and mention in Wikipedia for having coined the name.
> > >
> > > I shared my "Interactive Immersive Images" or I3 Eye cube, get it? :o)
> > > Although much of that pun depends on the English language...
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > www.northernlight.net
> > > www.virtual-travels.com
> > > www.pinnacle-vr.com
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
> <PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:
> > PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com <PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>] On
> > > > Behalf Of Don Bain
> > > > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:10 PM
> > > > To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com <PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [PanoToolsNG] Re: Future of VR Panoramas - WAS: Apple
> > dropped
> > > > QTVR
> > > >
> > > > On Jan 31, 2011, at 1:24 AM, prague wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Yeah come on Don, give us a bit of credit. We're at least a
60-pound
> > > > gorilla at this point :-)
> > > > > --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
<PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Erik Krause <erik.krause@...> wrote:
> > > > > > Ask in the right place - in Google Earth - and you get the
> > panoramas
> > > > at
> > > >
> > > > Of course! I didn't mean to belittle your efforts and the success of
> > > > 360Cities in promoting VR and making it accessible. Many people will
> > > > stumble upon panoramas now while cruising around in Google Earth -
> > people
> > > > who would never go looking for it (partly because they don't know
what
> > to
> > > > call it). Too bad that Panoramio confuses the nomenclature.
> > > >
> > > > Also we are seeing panoramas in FaceBook and on WordPress sites, it
is
> > all
> > > > adding up.
> > > >
> > > > The gorilla I was talking about is the sort of overwhelmingly large
and
> > > > powerful company that can support a technology (remember we were
> > talking
> > > > about delivery of VR) and let us ride along on their coat-tails as
> > content
> > > > producers.
> > > >
> > > > There aren't many of those beasts out there - IBM has gone
elsewhere,
> > > > Microsoft is in a coma, Apple has turned its back on us, Google has
> > their
> > > > own version of VR, Macromedia was swallowed by Adobe, and Adobe
doesn't
> > > > seem to know about us.
> > > >
> > > > So my conclusion is that our future lies in open-source technologies
> > > > supported by all major browsers. Just like jpegs and basic
javascript,
> > > > resources you can take for granted. Our present experiments with
html 5
> > > > are, IMHO, a glimpse of the future.
> > > >
> > > > The danger is that one of the gorillas may delay or even wreck the
> > > > standards compliance that is a necessary part of this. Luckily we
are
> > > > steadily approaching a "balance of power" where no one browser
> > dominates
> > > > and support for standards may actually be an asset.
> > > >
> > > > PS- A 60 lb gorilla is just a kid. You might have more fun as a
> > full-grown
> > > > bonobo.
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZiTzxL3Nh4
> > > > (Caution, adult content!)
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> L.D.I. Felipe B. González C.
> felipe@...
> 1998-5246
> www.fpk.com.mx
> http://recorridosvirtualesmexico.blogspot.com/
>
> Socio Director Maquetas Virtuales www.maquetasvirtuales.com
> Socio Director Recorridos Virtuales www.recorridosvirtuales.com
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> --
>
>
>

I like this idea, I like interactive image - first spotted this term on Keith
martins website a few years back and I've used it ever since. But I still rely
on virtual tour when talking to a client. Interactive image is reserved for the
in group (my immediate pano family).
But back to the idea of having a competition - apart from the fact that I can't
put Keith's phrase as my own submission, in the spirit of the original post by
Don Bain I think we should be looking for something to capture the public's
imagination. Something synonymous with Virtual tour, but specific to VR
photography - where photography and the "web content" elements (which
distinguish the VR from any other virtual presentation) are appreciated/
highlighted.
  What about a random catchy name that we could all start using until it sinks
in? Not in the forced obnoxious why that Microsoft are trying to use to get us
to "bing" instead of "google", but something like a "panograph"?
The only problem with panograph is that it makes us all panographers, and I
learn the very funny way, that a spell checker will usually correct that to
pornographer. (don't auto correct your emails to clients if you are declaring
yourself a panographer enquiring about their interest in panography for their
hotel... they don't see the funny side)
ThanksY.S

To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
From: Greg.Nuspel@...
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:57:57 -0700
Subject: RE: [PanoToolsNG] Re: Future of VR Panoramas - WAS: Apple dropped QTVR




























       Actually this might be good Interactive Panoramic Images would give the
same

initials IPI.



Greg



> -----Original Message-----

> From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On

> Behalf Of L.D.I. Felipe B. González

> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:52 PM

> To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: Re: [PanoToolsNG] Re: Future of VR Panoramas - WAS: Apple dropped

> QTVR

>

> We call them "Imágenes Panorámicas Interactivas" in the subtropical

regions

> of México, which translates to "Interactive panoramic images".

>

> 2011/1/31 Mark Houston <Mark@...>

>

> >

> >

> > I like "Interactive Panorama" myself. That what I use on my website.

> >

> > Mark Houston

> > 360Michigan

> > http://www.360michigan.net

> >

> >

> > On Jan 31, 2011, at 3:25 PM, "Mark D. Fink"

> <markdfink@...<markdfink%40northernlight.net>>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > How about a poll/contest to come up with a meaningful name? Winner

gets a

> > > beer and mention in Wikipedia for having coined the name.

> > >

> > > I shared my "Interactive Immersive Images" or I3 Eye cube, get it? :o)

> > > Although much of that pun depends on the English language...

> > >

> > > Mark

> > >

> > > www.northernlight.net

> > > www.virtual-travels.com

> > > www.pinnacle-vr.com

> > >

> > > > -----Original Message-----

> > > > From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com

> <PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:

> > PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com <PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>] On

> > > > Behalf Of Don Bain

> > > > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:10 PM

> > > > To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com <PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>

> > > > Subject: Re: [PanoToolsNG] Re: Future of VR Panoramas - WAS: Apple

> > dropped

> > > > QTVR

> > > >

> > > > On Jan 31, 2011, at 1:24 AM, prague wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Yeah come on Don, give us a bit of credit. We're at least a

60-pound

> > > > gorilla at this point :-)

> > > > > --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com

<PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>,

> > Erik Krause <erik.krause@...> wrote:

> > > > > > Ask in the right place - in Google Earth - and you get the

> > panoramas

> > > > at

> > > >

> > > > Of course! I didn't mean to belittle your efforts and the success of

> > > > 360Cities in promoting VR and making it accessible. Many people will

> > > > stumble upon panoramas now while cruising around in Google Earth -

> > people

> > > > who would never go looking for it (partly because they don't know

what

> > to

> > > > call it). Too bad that Panoramio confuses the nomenclature.

> > > >

> > > > Also we are seeing panoramas in FaceBook and on WordPress sites, it

is

> > all

> > > > adding up.

> > > >

> > > > The gorilla I was talking about is the sort of overwhelmingly large

and

> > > > powerful company that can support a technology (remember we were

> > talking

> > > > about delivery of VR) and let us ride along on their coat-tails as

> > content

> > > > producers.

> > > >

> > > > There aren't many of those beasts out there - IBM has gone

elsewhere,

> > > > Microsoft is in a coma, Apple has turned its back on us, Google has

> > their

> > > > own version of VR, Macromedia was swallowed by Adobe, and Adobe

doesn't

> > > > seem to know about us.

> > > >

> > > > So my conclusion is that our future lies in open-source technologies

> > > > supported by all major browsers. Just like jpegs and basic

javascript,

> > > > resources you can take for granted. Our present experiments with

html 5

> > > > are, IMHO, a glimpse of the future.

> > > >

> > > > The danger is that one of the gorillas may delay or even wreck the

> > > > standards compliance that is a necessary part of this. Luckily we

are

> > > > steadily approaching a "balance of power" where no one browser

> > dominates

> > > > and support for standards may actually be an asset.

> > > >

> > > > PS- A 60 lb gorilla is just a kid. You might have more fun as a

> > full-grown

> > > > bonobo.

> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZiTzxL3Nh4

> > > > (Caution, adult content!)

> > >

> > >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> L.D.I. Felipe B. González C.

> felipe@...

> 1998-5246

> www.fpk.com.mx

> http://recorridosvirtualesmexico.blogspot.com/

>

> Socio Director Maquetas Virtuales www.maquetasvirtuales.com

> Socio Director Recorridos Virtuales www.recorridosvirtuales.com

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> --

>

>

>


















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Honestly I really have no idea what on earth that movie is doing attached to my
previous post! its really odd. Sorry!Y.S

> To: panotoolsng@yahoogroups.com
> From: yazansboul@...
> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 21:27:48 +0000
> Subject: RE: [PanoToolsNG] Re: Future of VR Panoramas - WAS: Apple dropped
QTVR
>
>
> I like this idea, I like interactive image - first spotted this term on Keith
martins website a few years back and I've used it ever since. But I still rely
on virtual tour when talking to a client. Interactive image is reserved for the
in group (my immediate pano family).
> But back to the idea of having a competition - apart from the fact that I
can't put Keith's phrase as my own submission, in the spirit of the original
post by Don Bain I think we should be looking for something to capture the
public's imagination. Something synonymous with Virtual tour, but specific to VR
photography - where photography and the "web content" elements (which
distinguish the VR from any other virtual presentation) are appreciated/
highlighted.
>  What about a random catchy name that we could all start using until it sinks
in? Not in the forced obnoxious why that Microsoft are trying to use to get us
to "bing" instead of "google", but something like a "panograph"?
> The only problem with panograph is that it makes us all panographers, and I
learn the very funny way, that a spell checker will usually correct that to
pornographer. (don't auto correct your emails to clients if you are declaring
yourself a panographer enquiring about their interest in panography for their
hotel... they don't see the funny side)
> ThanksY.S
>
> To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
> From: Greg.Nuspel@...
> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:57:57 -0700
> Subject: RE: [PanoToolsNG] Re: Future of VR Panoramas - WAS: Apple dropped
QTVR
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>       Actually this might be good Interactive Panoramic Images would give the
same
>
> initials IPI.
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> > From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On
>
> > Behalf Of L.D.I. Felipe B. González
>
> > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:52 PM
>
> > To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
>
> > Subject: Re: [PanoToolsNG] Re: Future of VR Panoramas - WAS: Apple dropped
>
> > QTVR
>
> >
>
> > We call them "Imágenes Panorámicas Interactivas" in the subtropical
>
> regions
>
> > of México, which translates to "Interactive panoramic images".
>
> >
>
> > 2011/1/31 Mark Houston <Mark@...>
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > I like "Interactive Panorama" myself. That what I use on my website.
>
> > >
>
> > > Mark Houston
>
> > > 360Michigan
>
> > > http://www.360michigan.net
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > On Jan 31, 2011, at 3:25 PM, "Mark D. Fink"
>
> > <markdfink@...<markdfink%40northernlight.net>>
>
> > > wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > > How about a poll/contest to come up with a meaningful name? Winner
>
> gets a
>
> > > > beer and mention in Wikipedia for having coined the name.
>
> > > >
>
> > > > I shared my "Interactive Immersive Images" or I3 Eye cube, get it? :o)
>
> > > > Although much of that pun depends on the English language...
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Mark
>
> > > >
>
> > > > www.northernlight.net
>
> > > > www.virtual-travels.com
>
> > > > www.pinnacle-vr.com
>
> > > >
>
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
>
> > > > > From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
>
> > <PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:
>
> > > PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com <PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>] On
>
> > > > > Behalf Of Don Bain
>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:10 PM
>
> > > > > To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com <PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [PanoToolsNG] Re: Future of VR Panoramas - WAS: Apple
>
> > > dropped
>
> > > > > QTVR
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > On Jan 31, 2011, at 1:24 AM, prague wrote:
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > Yeah come on Don, give us a bit of credit. We're at least a
>
> 60-pound
>
> > > > > gorilla at this point :-)
>
> > > > > > --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
>
> <PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>,
>
> > > Erik Krause <erik.krause@...> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Ask in the right place - in Google Earth - and you get the
>
> > > panoramas
>
> > > > > at
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > Of course! I didn't mean to belittle your efforts and the success of
>
> > > > > 360Cities in promoting VR and making it accessible. Many people will
>
> > > > > stumble upon panoramas now while cruising around in Google Earth -
>
> > > people
>
> > > > > who would never go looking for it (partly because they don't know
>
> what
>
> > > to
>
> > > > > call it). Too bad that Panoramio confuses the nomenclature.
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > Also we are seeing panoramas in FaceBook and on WordPress sites, it
>
> is
>
> > > all
>
> > > > > adding up.
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > The gorilla I was talking about is the sort of overwhelmingly large
>
> and
>
> > > > > powerful company that can support a technology (remember we were
>
> > > talking
>
> > > > > about delivery of VR) and let us ride along on their coat-tails as
>
> > > content
>
> > > > > producers.
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > There aren't many of those beasts out there - IBM has gone
>
> elsewhere,
>
> > > > > Microsoft is in a coma, Apple has turned its back on us, Google has
>
> > > their
>
> > > > > own version of VR, Macromedia was swallowed by Adobe, and Adobe
>
> doesn't
>
> > > > > seem to know about us.
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > So my conclusion is that our future lies in open-source technologies
>
> > > > > supported by all major browsers. Just like jpegs and basic
>
> javascript,
>
> > > > > resources you can take for granted. Our present experiments with
>
> html 5
>
> > > > > are, IMHO, a glimpse of the future.
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > The danger is that one of the gorillas may delay or even wreck the
>
> > > > > standards compliance that is a necessary part of this. Luckily we
>
> are
>
> > > > > steadily approaching a "balance of power" where no one browser
>
> > > dominates
>
> > > > > and support for standards may actually be an asset.
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > PS- A 60 lb gorilla is just a kid. You might have more fun as a
>
> > > full-grown
>
> > > > > bonobo.
>
> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZiTzxL3Nh4
>
> > > > > (Caution, adult content!)
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > --
>
> > L.D.I. Felipe B. González C.
>
> > felipe@...
>
> > 1998-5246
>
> > www.fpk.com.mx
>
> > http://recorridosvirtualesmexico.blogspot.com/
>
> >
>
> > Socio Director Maquetas Virtuales www.maquetasvirtuales.com
>
> > Socio Director Recorridos Virtuales www.recorridosvirtuales.com
>
> >
>
> >
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Here is an example of a couple of the stereo distortions I was thinking of:
http://www.mediavr.com/verticaldisparity1.jpg

You see the vertical separation of non-central features is extreme. It should be
zero. Notice also the much exaggerated horizontal disparity in that part of the
picture. This is too extreme to resolve so effectively the lateral periphery of
all stereo panoramas viewed the usually warped ways  are too separated to view.
This is regardless of whether you use anaglyph, interlaced etc viewing methods.
If the panorama is unwarped (ie. not rendered as a steerable view), eg. anaglyph
equirectangular then these distortions do not exist but of course the view is
unrealistic in other ways.

The Abstract linked to the item on "Acquisition of stereo panoramas for display
in VR environments" on

http://spie.org//app/program/index.cfm?fuseaction=conferencedetail&export_id=x16\
280&ID=x16223&redir=x16223.xml&conference_id=927621&event_id=925953&programtrack\
_id=931449

seems to say they have worked out a solution for this.

Here is another street panorama
http://www.mediavr.com/thana1bana.htm
.. on a pole at about 4m with twin5d/10.5mm 50 shots in 12 sec at about 20cm
separation (jpg because the camera cant do a fast 50 shot burst in Raw). To the
left of the stairs there is a stitch error which I couldnt fix (the pole moved
around too much I think) .. in 2d it would be fixable but that kind of stitching
fixing is much harder to do perfectly in stereo sometimes.

Peter






--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "enridp" <enridp@...> wrote:

> But I can't understand why if you are using two cameras you need anyway a lot
of pictures (75), is not possible with... I don't know, 6 shoots (each camera)?
>
> Also, I see what you mean with distorted views when seeing with a high FOV.
The red is very distorted and breaks the ilusion.
> When I look with this angle:
> http://www.imagengratis.org/images/stereoretinal.jpg
> I feel retinal rivality with the red car.
> But it's OK in this view:
> http://www.imagengratis.org/images/stereook.jpg
>
> And this is a great stereo!:
> http://www.imagengratis.org/images/greatstereo.jpg
>
>
> Regards!
> Enrique.
>
> --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "panovrx" <panovrx@> wrote:
> >
> > http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1823743
> > and
> >
http://spie.org//app/program/index.cfm?fuseaction=conferencedetail&export_id=x16\
280&ID=x16223&redir=x16223.xml&conference_id=927621&event_id=925953&programtrack\
_id=931449
> > .. see "Acquisition of stereo panoramas for display in VR environments"
> >
> > these papers look to have interesting potential for the discussion of the
distortions you get (vertical parallax seems to me to be the main one) with very
wide angle and views up and down with stereo panoramas showed and captured the
usual ways.
> >
> > Here is a new test stereo panorama (anaglyph) of a street scene with about
9cm separation at a height of about 2m
> > ("The typical pupillary distance for adults is around 54–68 mm")
> > http://www.mediavr.com/rocksbridgeana.htm
> >
> > This is 7200 by 3600 -- with greater resolution the furthest discriminable
depth would be greater but with  this anaglyph version for me most depth seems
to disappear at about 50m. You see a lot more depth than anaglyph with most 3d
displays -- say a Zalman 24" horizontally interlaced, but basically this looks
kind of flat to me for an exterior scene as anaglyph.
> >
> > I shot this with 2 Canon5DmkII + 10.5Nikkor at f4.5 approx with 74 shots per
camera with spliced cable releases with a Hahnel wireless timer remote at 1 fps.
(The Hahnel is handy for this as you can input total frame count you want). I
used a very sturdy rotator base for this on a tripod and optimized using the
mask function in PTGui to exclude close (foreground) scene features. I used a
few mask elements too in the stitching to remove moving cars etc.  (Continuous
rotation, exposure time, 1/160th sec). With a 74sec rotation you can use shutter
speeds as slow as about 1/60th which makes this a very convenient way of
shooting many kinds of stereo interiors in about a minute (74 shots is enough if
the nearest feature is no closer than a meter). The stereo is a bit strong for
very small rooms but for large rooms it looks great. But, as I say, for
exteriors this separation -- 9cm  (the closest I can get with these cameras) is
a bit flat.
> >
> > PeterM
> >
>

Thanks a great stereo one, I almost don't see any fringing issues.

Except for that one slice, that's a super job. I just got my glasses
recently so these are a whole lot more fun to view now! ;)

I wonder if you can import these into a 3d max or something to fix 3d
issues.



s



From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of panovrx
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 5:51 PM
To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Re: Stereo distortions in stereo panoramas





Here is an example of a couple of the stereo distortions I was thinking of:
http://www.mediavr.com/verticaldisparity1.jpg

You see the vertical separation of non-central features is extreme. It
should be zero. Notice also the much exaggerated horizontal disparity in
that part of the picture. This is too extreme to resolve so effectively the
lateral periphery of all stereo panoramas viewed the usually warped ways are
too separated to view. This is regardless of whether you use anaglyph,
interlaced etc viewing methods. If the panorama is unwarped (ie. not
rendered as a steerable view), eg. anaglyph equirectangular then these
distortions do not exist but of course the view is unrealistic in other
ways.

The Abstract linked to the item on "Acquisition of stereo panoramas for
display in VR environments" on

http://spie.org//app/program/index.cfm?fuseaction=conferencedetail
<http://spie.org/app/program/index.cfm?fuseaction=conferencedetail&export_id
=x16280&ID=x16223&redir=x16223.xml&conference_id=927621&event_id=925953&prog
ramtrack_id=931449>
&export_id=x16280&ID=x16223&redir=x16223.xml&conference_id=927621&event_id=9
25953&programtrack_id=931449

seems to say they have worked out a solution for this.

Here is another street panorama
http://www.mediavr.com/thana1bana.htm
.. on a pole at about 4m with twin5d/10.5mm 50 shots in 12 sec at about 20cm
separation (jpg because the camera cant do a fast 50 shot burst in Raw). To
the left of the stairs there is a stitch error which I couldnt fix (the pole
moved around too much I think) .. in 2d it would be fixable but that kind of
stitching fixing is much harder to do perfectly in stereo sometimes.

Peter



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I was directed to an interesting and inexpensive ($50) fisheye lens for the
iPhone:

http://www.pixeet.com/

A virual tour, using this lens/camera by an Israeli real estate agent is at:
http://tinyurl.com/6h5puot

The quality can't compete with a dslr plus a $300-$800 lens but what will be
possible in a few years is anybody's guess.  Has anybody here used or played
with this thing?

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Uri" <uri@...> wrote:
>
> I was directed to an interesting and inexpensive ($50) fisheye lens for the
iPhone:
>
> http://www.pixeet.com/
>
> A virual tour, using this lens/camera by an Israeli real estate agent is at:
http://tinyurl.com/6h5puot
>
> The quality can't compete with a dslr plus a $300-$800 lens but what will be
possible in a few years is anybody's guess.  Has anybody here used or played
with this thing?
>
Haaaaa, they have a full screen button, very funny. And it appears that they
have purchased a non branded version of KrPano.

So, they buy a $50 lens, don't use a tripod and then shell out the money for a
unbranded version of KrPano? Makes no sense at all.

And the quality is horrible, much worse than even a old nikon coolpix and FE-8.

Wonder how long it will be before someone makes a iPhone pano head?

On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 10:17:39 +0900, Uri <uri@...> wrote:

> I was directed to an interesting and inexpensive ($50) fisheye lens for
> the iPhone:
>
> http://www.pixeet.com/
>
> A virual tour, using this lens/camera by an Israeli real estate agent is
> at: http://tinyurl.com/6h5puot
>
> The quality can't compete with a dslr plus a $300-$800 lens but what
> will be possible in a few years is anybody's guess.  Has anybody here
> used or played with this thing?

Thanks, Uri. Those magnetic clip-on fisheye lenses have been available
for some time here in Japan. There are a number of different labels but
they look identical and may well be under the label.

I guess that the Israeli real estate agent was using a 3G or 3GS, as I
would expect the iPhone 4 to provide a noticeably higher quality image.

3G quality is just too dreadful for me to want to play with one of these
lenses, but I intend to upgrade when the penalty for breaking my two-
year contract early no longer applies. The idea of selling the lens
with software for panorama creation is clever, and I noted that the
beautiful young woman demonstrating the technique seemed to be careful
to position her iPhone over the same spot on the floor. So someone
knows what they are doing...

Roger W.

--
Work: www.adex-japan.com
Pano: photosynth/rogerama

Unfortunately the quality is just what the real-estate market is happy with.
It's better than what some of my ex-clients use from one-shot mirror lenses.
And it's fine for blogs, etc.



We have to remember that many potential clients don't care about quality -
and this will make them happy. Sad, but true..



Rick Drew



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My goal to shot VRPs is to use them as an e-learning tool. From that point of
view I needed to use Slovene as a prime language. When I started with VRPs I
couldn't imagine how I can use a term 'panorama' of a cave or interior as a
small room. I liked the Immersive image more, so I started to think what name
would be fine in Slovenian language. Technically the base for a Virtual Reality
Panorama is a 360° panorama which is a flat 2D image. After the conversion into
the display on a screen we get the feeling of the space and mental projection of
the 3D image. But it is still only a 2D which tricks our mental projection as
that we are in the middle of the space which visual information is projected
from our nodal point (or no parallax point).
I started with the name »Prostorska slika« which means »spatial image«. It
sounds strange? Right? I shot quite a number of object VRs (OVRs) ten years ago
and had a dilemma how to name that, so I was more precise with the term: '360°
spatial image' and 'object spatial image'. Both terms are translated directly
from Slovene to English just to get the idea. In English I use Virtual Reality
Panorama (VRP) and Object Virtual Reality (OVP). I used that terms in a dozen of
international geography symposiums and nobody argued against that terms… and
believe me that geographers can be very critical with the terms. However I am
not a photographer and don't consider a VRPs as a photography but more part of
GIS when georeferenced. The camera is only a tool to me as it is a GPS which is
a must have when shooting a VRP.
The Slovenian term »Prostorska slika« is used as a standard since the late
90-ies and I have noticed that is used also in some neighbor countries… at
least
among geographers.
I would suggest, as Don proposed, the one worldwide term but not necessarily in
English.
What is a French term for a Virtual Reality Panorama? …or as example German?
Most of VR technology and the support are coming from Europe... what something
like Esperanto...latin? What about the largest world languages - Indian or
Chinese (now I am prvoking ;) )


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