I shoot panos using NN5, Samyang 8mm and D300. Normally 4 around, 1 90 deg for
Zenith and 2 90 deg down for Nadir (using NN adapter and moving tripod).
Question is, should I pitch lens down or up shooting 4 around?
Still having problems stitching Nadir, but it is getting better.
Thank you!

A Kielcz

Cincinnati, Ohio, U.S.A.




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You only need to worry about coverage, pitching up or down is only to
provide image coverage for your sphere, there is no other pro or con.
If you wish not to shoot a zenith shot and wish your clarity at the zenith,
you would pitch up. This would eliminate the need for a zenith, however it's
generally better to shoot the zenith if possible, or if you have an
automatic pano rotator you use on a pole.
So if I've contracted myself already, there you have it.
BTW, I shoot without a pitch for normal shots.

-s

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 8:10 PM, A Kielcz <roblee007@...> wrote:

>
>
> I shoot panos using NN5, Samyang 8mm and D300. Normally 4 around, 1 90 deg
> for Zenith and 2 90 deg down for Nadir (using NN adapter and moving tripod).
> Question is, should I pitch lens down or up shooting 4 around?
> Still having problems stitching Nadir, but it is getting better.
> Thank you!
>
> A Kielcz
>
> Cincinnati, Ohio, U.S.A.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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On Thu, 03 Mar 2011 10:10:32 +0900, A Kielcz <roblee007@...> wrote:

> I shoot panos using NN5, Samyang 8mm and D300. Normally 4 around, 1 90
> deg for Zenith and 2 90 deg down for Nadir (using NN adapter and moving
> tripod). Question is, should I pitch lens down or up shooting 4 around?
> Still having problems stitching Nadir, but it is getting better.
> Thank you!

Opinions are divided on this. Because most of my panoramas are taken
outdoors, where the sky is largely blank, it can be hard to find
control points that link the zenith shot to the trees or roofs on
the horizon, so I usually point slightly up, leaving a hole at the
nadir. The nadir is where the foot of my monopod comes, and it is
also where the Peleng lens I use tends to produce halation. So I am
resigned to taking a zenith shot, which eliminates both the hole
and the halation.

If I shoot precisely horizontally, the Peleng gives me tiny holes at
zenith and nadir that can be easily cloned out. But when there is
halation (and there usually is), it tends to occur at and around
the nadir, so a nadir shot helps. And it looks like a sizable
"smear" that is hard to clone out.

I don't really see the need to take two zenith shots, though.

Roger W.

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Just stumbled via Twitter on www.tbseller.com.
The domain is registered since 2006at 361004 Wuhan in China.
Cameras are here at http://tbseller.com/proList.php?bid=39&page=1

Looks too cheap to be true...





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This should tell enough, never pay any goods through western union etc:
http://tbseller.com/payment.php

Joost

On 3-3-2011 13:58, Thomas Krüger wrote:
> Just stumbled via Twitter on www.tbseller.com.
> The domain is registered since 2006at 361004 Wuhan in China.
> Cameras are here at http://tbseller.com/proList.php?bid=39&page=1
>
> Looks too cheap to be true...
>
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I'm tempted to buy D700 and pay with visa.

A Kielcz

Cincinnati, Ohio, U.S.A.

--- On Thu, 3/3/11, Thomas Krüger <th.krueger@...> wrote:

From: Thomas Krüger <th.krueger@...>
Subject: [PanoToolsNG] OT - tbseller.com - Chinese electronics retail, scam or
true?
To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 3, 2011, 7:58 AM







 









       Just stumbled via Twitter on www.tbseller.com.

The domain is registered since 2006at 361004 Wuhan in China.

Cameras are here at http://tbseller.com/proList.php?bid=39&page=1



Looks too cheap to be true...



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you mean 2 nadir shots?

A Kielcz

Cincinnati, Ohio, U.S.A.

--- On Wed, 3/2/11, Roger D. Williams <roger@...> wrote:

From: Roger D. Williams <roger@...>
Subject: Re: [PanoToolsNG] hope this isn't OT
To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 8:40 PM







 









       On Thu, 03 Mar 2011 10:10:32 +0900, A Kielcz <roblee007@...> wrote:



> I shoot panos using NN5, Samyang 8mm and D300. Normally 4 around, 1 90

> deg for Zenith and 2 90 deg down for Nadir (using NN adapter and moving

> tripod). Question is, should I pitch lens down or up shooting 4 around?

> Still having problems stitching Nadir, but it is getting better.

> Thank you!



Opinions are divided on this. Because most of my panoramas are taken

outdoors, where the sky is largely blank, it can be hard to find

control points that link the zenith shot to the trees or roofs on

the horizon, so I usually point slightly up, leaving a hole at the

nadir. The nadir is where the foot of my monopod comes, and it is

also where the Peleng lens I use tends to produce halation. So I am

resigned to taking a zenith shot, which eliminates both the hole

and the halation.



If I shoot precisely horizontally, the Peleng gives me tiny holes at

zenith and nadir that can be easily cloned out. But when there is

halation (and there usually is), it tends to occur at and around

the nadir, so a nadir shot helps. And it looks like a sizable

"smear" that is hard to clone out.



I don't really see the need to take two zenith shots, though.



Roger W.



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Please, don't let yourself be fooled so easy.

  This too should tell enough about whether this is legimate or not:

Nikon 70-200mm f/2.8G IF-ED AF-S VR Zoom-NIKKOR Lens

<http://www.tbseller.com/proView.php?proid=177>
   Member  Price:*$380*
Canon EOS-1D Mark III EOS 1D 3 LENS Pro Kit BRAND NEW

<http://www.tbseller.com/proView.php?proid=147>
   Member  Price:*$405*



On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:02 AM, A Kielcz <roblee007@...> wrote:

>
>
> I'm tempted to buy D700 and pay with visa.
>
> A Kielcz
>


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I guess I'll wait for a new DSLR release from Nikon.
Can't buy Leica M9

A Kielcz

Cincinnati, Ohio, U.S.A.

--- On Thu, 3/3/11, Eduardo Hutter <montreal360@...> wrote:

From: Eduardo Hutter <montreal360@...>
Subject: Re: [PanoToolsNG] OT - tbseller.com - Chinese electronics retail, scam
or true?
To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 3, 2011, 10:24 AM







 









       Please, don't let yourself be fooled so easy.



This too should tell enough about whether this is legimate or not:



Nikon 70-200mm f/2.8G IF-ED AF-S VR Zoom-NIKKOR Lens



<http://www.tbseller.com/proView.php?proid=177>

   Member  Price:*$380*

Canon EOS-1D Mark III EOS 1D 3 LENS Pro Kit BRAND NEW



<http://www.tbseller.com/proView.php?proid=147>

   Member  Price:*$405*



On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:02 AM, A Kielcz <roblee007@...> wrote:



>

>

> I'm tempted to buy D700 and pay with visa.

>

> A Kielcz

>



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On 3-3-2011 4:58 AM, Thomas Krüger's hamster got loose on the keyboard
and typed ...:
> Just stumbled via Twitter on www.tbseller.com.
> The domain is registered since 2006at 361004 Wuhan in China.
> Cameras are here at http://tbseller.com/proList.php?bid=39&page=1
>
> Looks too cheap to be true...

Remember: if it looks too good to be true it probably isn't.  Scams and
swindlers rely on people setting aside all of the red flags that go up
in their mind because they just have-to-have that thing and will do
anything to get it.  Don't be fooled.




Pat Swovelin
Cool Guy @ Large


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And if it is a fake, you have no warranty.

Stephani

On Fri, 04 Mar 2011 00:05:55 +0900, A Kielcz <roblee007@...> wrote:

> you mean 2 nadir shots?

Yes, sorry.

Roger



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On Thu, 03 Mar 2011 21:58:36 +0900, Thomas Krüger <th.krueger@...>
wrote:

> Just stumbled via Twitter on www.tbseller.com.
> The domain is registered since 2006at 361004 Wuhan in China.
> Cameras are here at http://tbseller.com/proList.php?bid=39&page=1
>
> Looks too cheap to be true...

Alas, when things look too cheap to be true, they usually are.

Has anyone successfully bought from this site?

Roger W.

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On Thu, 03 Mar 2011 22:13:28 +0900, Joost Nieuwenhuijse <imim@...>
wrote:

> This should tell enough, never pay any goods through western union etc:
> http://tbseller.com/payment.php

Well, they do offer the use of Visa credit cards.

Roger W.

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Maybe that is so they can steal your credit card number perhaps? I looked online
for a review of them and found a website that had glowing reviews that were full
of misspellings and obvious grammatical errors.
http://ask.alibaba.com/Q/804356834-I-want-to-know-TBsellercom.html
I wouldn't trust them.
Will
On Mar 3, 2011, at 7:16 PM, Roger D. Williams wrote:

> On Thu, 03 Mar 2011 22:13:28 +0900, Joost Nieuwenhuijse <imim@...>
> wrote:
>
> > This should tell enough, never pay any goods through western union etc:
> > http://tbseller.com/payment.php
>
> Well, they do offer the use of Visa credit cards.
>
> Roger W.
>
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>



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On Fri, 04 Mar 2011 09:50:20 +0900, wilster <willbrown@...> wrote:

> Maybe that is so they can steal your credit card number perhaps? I
> looked online for a review of them and found a website that had glowing
> reviews that were full of misspellings and obvious grammatical errors.
> http://ask.alibaba.com/Q/804356834-I-want-to-know-TBsellercom.html
> I wouldn't trust them.
> Will

The Japanese media have been full of an Alibaba scandal recently, in
which an Alibaba executive cooperated with a number of vendors who
use this site to defraud customers. Maybe this site is a part of that
operation?

Initially I wondered if they might be selling bankrupt stock or
remainders... when I checked their Nikon offerings they were
largely for the D300, which has been replaced by the D300s for
some time (at least here in Japana--assume so elsewhere). But
then I saw an iPad for about half price. THAT seems quite
impossible unless the Chinese manufacturer is diverting stuff
  from Apple, in which case how could the guarantee and support
work? The hardware is clearly and uniquely identified. Apple
would be bound to recognize this was a pirated product.

Caveat emptor!

Roger W.

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Sorry, I see that this post was ambiguous and possibly misleading.

On Fri, 04 Mar 2011 11:35:46 +0900, Roger D. Williams
<roger@...> wrote:

> On Fri, 04 Mar 2011 09:50:20 +0900, wilster <willbrown@...>
> wrote:
>
>> Maybe that is so they can steal your credit card number perhaps? I
>> looked online for a review of them and found a website that had glowing
>> reviews that were full of misspellings and obvious grammatical errors.
>> http://ask.alibaba.com/Q/804356834-I-want-to-know-TBsellercom.html
>> I wouldn't trust them.
>> Will
>
> The Japanese media have been full of an Alibaba scandal recently, in
> which an Alibaba executive cooperated with a number of vendors who
> use this site to defraud customers. Maybe this site is a part of that

The first "this" refers to the entire Alibaba site. The second
"this" refers to the improbable bargain site.

> operation?
>
> Initially I wondered if they might be selling bankrupt stock or
> remainders... when I checked their Nikon offerings they were
> largely for the D300, which has been replaced by the D300s for
> some time (at least here in Japana--assume so elsewhere). But
> then I saw an iPad for about half price. THAT seems quite
> impossible unless the Chinese manufacturer is diverting stuff
>  from Apple, in which case how could the guarantee and support
> work? The hardware is clearly and uniquely identified. Apple
> would be bound to recognize this was a pirated product.

Sorry!

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Ahh, this is even better. After my first posting about tbseller.com through
Nabble on PanoToolsNG there is comment spam pending on this thread at Nabble
from 3 new users, Walker056, Amos Perry and yesfokony.

yesfokony writes: "I have buy TBseller.com DELL XPS M1210 LAPTOP
already shipping to me
I now use it
very good
I intend to buy the camera again"

And the tbseller offer "Canon EOS 5D Mark II SLR Camera 24-105 IS 16GB 15PC
Kit" for 480 US$ is definitive a fraud. They even give you 2 8Gb CF cards
with this kit...
http://tbseller.com/proView.php?proid=145

So HANDS OFF !!!!!!!

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All tutorials, links - all is gone :(

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Am 04.03.11 08:53, schrieb 1drey:
> All tutorials, links - all is gone :(
>
Hi Andrey

panotools.info wasn't the official site for quite some years.
I haven't visited this site for a long time so I can't say which
tutorials are deleted. I tried web.archive.org to find the
last version of panotools.info befor deleting:

http://web.archive.org/web/20070929131731re_/panotools.info/

I think you find these tutorials still under panotools.org and
wiki.panotools.org which are the official places to find related
things. Erik Krause is more involved in this and can shed some
light on this.

Best regards

Peter

More info: http://wiki.panotools.org/PanoTools:History

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Hi Peter,

It's exactly what I was trying to find!
I have excavated some ancient bookmark with from panotools.info and presumed
that the main site should be located there :)

Cheers,
Andrey.

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Thank you, Thomas!
It must be some short cut in my brain, I should remember about .org domain
:)

A.

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Now we are talking about it...

I still have panotoolsng.org, registered in that period...

Happy to donate it to the "group"....

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 10:29, 1drey <ilyin1drey@...> wrote:
> Thank you, Thomas!
> It must be some short cut in my brain, I should remember about .org domain
> :)
>
> A.
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Am 04.03.2011 09:35, schrieb Peter Nyfeler:
> I think you find these tutorials still under panotools.org and
> wiki.panotools.org which are the official places to find related
> things. Erik Krause is more involved in this and can shed some
> light on this.

panotools.info was the dark side of power in those bad old days of
panotools wars...

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So, who is going to mount fisheye's on this:

http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/04/pov-hd-camera-review/

3 will be enough, I guess.

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I wonder how long the cable can be? If it were long enough, then you could
move the recording units far enough away so that they are tiny in the final
output. I'm thinking along the lines of a pole below a helicopter long
enough to make even the helicopter relatively small in the final video.

Oh - to have deep pockets! :o)

Mark

www.northernlight.net
www.virtual-travels.com
www.pinnacle-vr.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of GTG Vierstra
> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 2:57 PM
> To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Who said Video?
>
> So, who is going to mount fisheye's on this:
>
> http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/04/pov-hd-camera-review/
>
> 3 will be enough, I guess.
>
> --
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>
> G.T.G. Vierstra
>
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More info:
http://pointofviewcameras.com/vio-pov-hd-camera.html
lens 142° is probably diagonal @ 1920x1080.  At least 4 to cover 360 around and
a 5th to cover the zenith.  Similar to the GoPro.
cable 1.5 meters.
No mention if they can be synced.


On 2011-03-04 4:17 PM, Mark D. Fink wrote:
> I wonder how long the cable can be? If it were long enough, then you could
> move the recording units far enough away so that they are tiny in the final
> output. I'm thinking along the lines of a pole below a helicopter long
> enough to make even the helicopter relatively small in the final video.
>
> Oh - to have deep pockets! :o)
>
> Mark
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of GTG Vierstra
>>
>> http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/04/pov-hd-camera-review/
>>
>> 3 will be enough, I guess.

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I am still playing with the gigapixels VRPs of interiors. This time I tried the
interior of a dark church with the bright windows and a "light fall" from the
top (example: http://www.burger.si/Plecnik/Ljubljana_SvFrancisek/vrp.html). The
fresques in the corners were dark and not clearly visible if were observed
insitu –actually only dark corners if looking from the centre of the dome.
That
is why I used the HDR method with the long exposures (-10s, 20s, +30 s) . With
previous tries of interiors I found out that the problem is depth of view and
focusing (example of the small church:
http://www.burger.si/Domzale/Krtina/01.html, F5.7). I solved the focusing with
the help of the laser but the depth of view remained.  I set the aperture to F16
(Canon 50 mm 1.4) but now had appeared another problem with the light from the
windows which is quite annoying. Any ideas how to avoid that »light curtain«?
(I
want to use only natural light as flashes or light painting are not allowed). It
is also a gigapix panorama so every retushing is very time consumig.

:) Bostjan

Long time ago I bought AP. Would it be wise for me to buy PTGui instead of
upgrading to Autopano giga?
Anyone here can give me a comparison between the two programs? Want spend my
money wisely.
Thank you!

A Kielcz

Cincinnati, Ohio, U.S.A.




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