På Sat, 27 Aug 2011 19:48:23 +0200, skrev Erik Krause <erik.krause@...>:

> Am 27.08.2011 14:31, schrieb Will:
>> I think it is 16mm film of two different iso ratings interwoven and
>> perhaps sandwiched between glass in a 8x10 format (15 images wide x
>> 16mm = 240mm or 10 inches). Or the film could be interwoven, exposed
>> and the warp and the woof developed separately but I think it was all
>> processed together. Note discoloration at the edges where the strips
>> meet.
>
> It seems to be 16mm film indeed. Compare the sprocket holes:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:16mmBWrevDP.png
>
> It should be possible to identify the film by the numbers printed along
> the sides. I could read J72, but didn't find that f.e. on
> http://www.paulivester.com/films/filmstock/guide.htm
>
> Still no idea how he got the film nontransparent (you can see through
> the sprocket holes)...

What if he sprayed a white paint on the backside of each strip to make it
opaque?
Wouldn't it be like printing with ink on a white paper?
Or would the positive film require light behind it?


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Hello List members,

as of now attachments sent to the PanotoolsNG list are permitted.

No fears: Attachments will not be sent directly to the members. Instead
a link is presented in the email and the web interface and the
attachment is kept on the Yahoo server. Although we have 100GB space
please use this feature responsibly. Don't mess with unnecessary images
etc.

Copyright

Please read carefully the Yahoo terms of service at
-> http://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/utos-173.html
Especially read paragraph 9. of the Terms of Service. Don't attach
copyrighted content if you don't accept the conditions.

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To be fair, there are some things that ONLY flash can do.

For example, uploading multiple files, with a progress bar, and showing
thumbnail previews of those files from the local copy (i.e. before it has
uploaded, you show a thumbnail of it)

That is not possible to build in a way that works in all browsers - only in
Flash. (some but not all of this could be built as a java applet - e.g. the
youtube large file uploader)

This is not something "fancy" or "wasteful" but in fact extremely useful.

The other thing of course is viewing gigapixel panos :)

On 08/29/2011, at 4:50 PM, prague wrote:

> To be fair, there are some things that ONLY flash can do.
>
> For example, uploading multiple files, with a progress bar, and showing
thumbnail previews of those files from the local copy (i.e. before it has
uploaded, you show a thumbnail of it)

Google jquery uploader

http://superdit.com/2010/06/29/10-jquery-ajax-file-uploader-plugins/
http://aquantum-demo.appspot.com/file-upload
etc etc.

Yes, some use flash as well for "extra functionality", others seem to completely
manage "extra functionality" without it.

KathyW.

 

On 08/29/2011, at 4:50 PM, prague wrote:

> To be fair, there are some things that ONLY flash can do.
>
> For example, uploading multiple files, with a progress bar, and showing thumbnail previews of those files from the local copy (i.e. before it has uploaded, you show a thumbnail of it)

Google jquery uploader

http://superdit.com/2010/06/29/10-jquery-ajax-file-uploader-plugins/
http://aquantum-demo.appspot.com/file-upload
etc etc.

Yes, some use flash as well for "extra functionality", others seem to completely manage "extra functionality" without it.

KathyW.

Not entirely. As far as I remember, fullscreen video etc. in the HTML5 spec is
up to the browser vendor to implement how they like. :-(

Ian

On 29 Aug 2011, at 09:58, Trausti Hraunfjord wrote:

> This is a view from webkit pano.. not HTML5.  Different thing.

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Willy Kaemena <panokaemena@...> wrote:
>
> here  a screen shot proofing it wrong that there is  no panorama full screen
on iOS
>
> see  attached  iPad screen shot ( testing the new attachment mode)
>
> ( Traustit  it is  time that you get  your hated  iPad....)

Sorry but it is not real fullscreen.
That is only available on iPad if you have a browser that supports it. Safari
does not.
It will only be fullscreen if you save the page as a HomeScreen
Also it is not available from an iFrame and to be correct it is also very likely
to crash very often when you use it from a webpage like you can do at
panoramas.dk.

Just for those who experience this here is a tip. Just close down your iPad and
restart.
This usually solves the crash at fullscreen for a couple of weeks.

And at last you can not do real fullscreen panoramas in Safari desktop HTML5.
I know that some browsers may support it for video though.

Hans

>
> Willy
>
>
> On Aug 29, 2011, at 9:34, Trausti Hraunfjord wrote:
>
> > Fullscreen HTML5 video... or fullscreen HTML5 anything else... said to be
impossible (last time I was informed about it).  So... if that keeps on holding
true, there will be no truly fullscreen HTML5 panos in the future.  My guess is
that in such a situation, there will be a large user base for Flash for quite a
while.
> >
> >
> >
>

You can do almost anything in Java one way or another.

But nobody would use it.

prague wrote:
> To be fair, there are some things that ONLY flash can do.
>
> For example, uploading multiple files, with a progress bar, and showing
thumbnail previews of those files from the local copy (i.e. before it has
uploaded, you show a thumbnail of it)
>
> That is not possible to build in a way that works in all browsers - only in
Flash. (some but not all of this could be built as a java applet - e.g. the
youtube large file uploader)
>
> This is not something "fancy" or "wasteful" but in fact extremely useful.
>
> The other thing of course is viewing gigapixel panos :)
>
>

On 08/29/2011, at 6:02 PM, Erwin wrote:
> It seemed to me that at the moment only flash would let me resize a local
picture before uploading it to a server, am I wrong?
>
> If I am, I'd be happy to learn how to do that without flash.

Ummm .. photoshop? Gimp? Any number of graphics or photo editing apps ... with
full control over the compression quality and file format plus the benefit of
saving a local copy just-in-case.

KathyW.

 

On 08/29/2011, at 6:02 PM, Erwin wrote:
> It seemed to me that at the moment only flash would let me resize a local picture before uploading it to a server, am I wrong?
>
> If I am, I'd be happy to learn how to do that without flash.

Ummm .. photoshop? Gimp? Any number of graphics or photo editing apps ... with full control over the compression quality and file format plus the benefit of saving a local copy just-in-case.

KathyW.

Posted by: "Roger D Williams" on Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:24 pm ((PDT))
> On Aug 29, 2011, at 5:06 AM, Erik Krause <erik.krause@...> wrote:
>> > Hello List members,
>> >
>> > as of now attachments sent to the PanotoolsNG list are permitted.
>> > The stored attachments are kept in Yahoo server Attachments section:
>> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PanoToolsNG/attachments/folder/0/list/
>
> Thank you, Erik. I read the terms of service but couldn't find how to
> (or whether one can) delete linked attachments. I would often value
> group opinions on a panorama but wouldn't want to leave it there taking
> up space indefinitely. Perhaps this is reserved to list owners or
> moderators?

I assume that also the owner of the file can delete his/her attachments.
We just need someone with standard rights to try it out. So not you,
Roger... ;-)

Carl

Am 29.08.2011 15:43, schrieb Carl von Einem:

> I assume that also the owner of the file can delete his/her attachments.
> We just need someone with standard rights to try it out. So not you,
> Roger...;-)

And not me ;-) Willy, could you say something?

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Am 28.08.2011 22:06, schrieb Erik Krause:

> No fears: Attachments will not be sent directly to the members.

Hmm... Although the yahoo page clearly says: "Store on site (exclude
from emails)" Willy`s test attachment shows up as inline attachment
which got downloaded together with the mail.

Yahoo help <http://tinyurl.com/3rtlefm> says: "When a group is set to
store attachments on site, there is one circumstance under which an
attachment will be sent to members via email instead of being stored on
the site: in the event that Yahoo! Groups is having problems storing the
file, it will be sent via email to prevent it from being lost.

If you received an email with an attachment even though your group is
set to store attachments online, this is likely the cause, and the issue
should correct itself soon."

Let's hope they are right...

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but the  original attachment was heavily  reduced in size.


Willy


On Aug 29, 2011, at 19:56, Erik Krause wrote:

> Am 28.08.2011 22:06, schrieb Erik Krause:
>
>> No fears: Attachments will not be sent directly to the members.
>
> Hmm... Although the yahoo page clearly says: "Store on site (exclude
> from emails)" Willy`s test attachment shows up as inline attachment
> which got downloaded together with the mail.
>
> Yahoo help <http://tinyurl.com/3rtlefm> says: "When a group is set to
> store attachments on site, there is one circumstance under which an
> attachment will be sent to members via email instead of being stored on
> the site: in the event that Yahoo! Groups is having problems storing the
> file, it will be sent via email to prevent it from being lost.
>
> If you received an email with an attachment even though your group is
> set to store attachments online, this is likely the cause, and the issue
> should correct itself soon."
>
> Let's hope they are right...
>
> --
> Erik Krause
> http://www.erik-krause.de
>

Am 29.08.2011 21:04, schrieb Willy Kaemena:
> but the  original attachment was heavily  reduced in size.

What was the original size? And do you get an option to delete on
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PanoToolsNG/attachments/folder/0/list
?

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original size  was 2Mb  and  yes  I could / I deleted it already...;-)

Willy

On Aug 29, 2011, at 21:21, Erik Krause wrote:

> Am 29.08.2011 21:04, schrieb Willy Kaemena:
>> but the  original attachment was heavily  reduced in size.
>
> What was the original size? And do you get an option to delete on
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PanoToolsNG/attachments/folder/0/list
> ?
>
> --
> Erik Krause
> http://www.erik-krause.de

Am 29.08.2011 21:29, schrieb Willy Kaemena:
> original size  was 2Mb  and  yes  I could / I deleted it already...;-)

I meant the original pixel size. However, thanks for the test!

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Why  should I learn how to use  flash in order to resize a picture??   my   normal way would be using a software  like Photoshop ;-)  this  is  way more obvious.....

Willy

On Aug 29, 2011, at 20:54, Trausti Hraunfjord wrote:

 

Why?  Why not?  If Flash can do it, and Flash can do other things for you as well... then why try to avoid it and do things with anything and everything else?  Why use 25 different applications/programs to get your work done, if you can do all of those things perfectly well with ONE program that you know?

I really can't see the logic in that at all.

It's like owning one car to go to the supermarket, another car to pick the kids up from school, a motorbike to go to work on etc. etc. etc. Why not use the same car for all your transports if you have that car?  Of course... if using train systems... one will have to have many different trains that only go to fixed locations... no deviance from the routes at all.  No freedom of movement, except within the confines of a route that has been decided by the "head office"... that is how I see it. 

Trausti

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Willy Kaemena <panokaemena@...> wrote:

 

Could  you please explain why  do you want to resize  a picture before uploading? and why  this  you want to do with flash?

Willy

On Aug 29, 2011, at 10:02, Erwin wrote:

 

Hello everyone,

I'm really interested in your debate especially because I do utilize flash for several things I can't do with HTML / JS.
But if I could skip it, I'd be happy to.

It seemed to me that at the moment only flash would let me resize a local picture before uploading it to a server, am I wrong?

If I am, I'd be happy to learn how to do that without flash.

Cheers,
Erwin

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