http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-8UsEKQZnU

(looks better if you up the resolution on playback and choose B/W in the 3d
options and choose fullscreen)

this is a frenzied crowd scene (gambling on Anzac Day) shot handheld over my
head with a Gopro3d rig. Because I was in one spot I could use the masked area
of the building in the background to stabilize the shot with PTGui (and
simultaneously align L and R views and level and convert to Vedutismo). If I was
moving through the crowd this wouldnt work and I would have to use other
stabisation software like Deshaker for Virtualdub. One advantage of fisheye
lenses for post-stabilising is that the wide view often gives you unobstructed
static areas in all the shots  (eg. the tops of buildings -- which can be used
for efficient tracking by PTGui etc)

Actually when I got there I realised this would be a good scene for a regular
panorama -- I will have to make one if I can next year

PeterM

Paul, have you tried the Pano2VR blog.  They are very good and very responsive
there.

http://gardengnomesoftware.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=6&sid=f2a3406bf250539e0fcef\
5ed3ab53240

Paul Fretheim wrote:
>   I recently upgraded to 3.1.4 64bit version of Pano2VR. When I try to
> output to html5 I get the error message "Error loading panorama XML."
> with FireFox and Safari. With Explorer 32 bit the panorama skin loads
> and the panorama appears briefly and then the display window for the
> panorama turns black. The skin controls remain displayed, but other than
> the information button are not active.
>
> Has anyone else experienced these issues? Do you have a solution?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Paul Fretheim
> Inyo Pro
>

Hmmm, my own concern was about wobbling, for the small legs, and long monopod.

@Jurgen, 

keep in mind that is a long, sturdy monopod, and that it can be paired with a 2nd monopod reversed on it (the way I did a lot of 3m high shots) 

@Hans, 

I also used a small, welldone chinese tripod with a long monopod inserted as central column (it was the right diameter), just before we made the Venice meeting. But I never mounted  it with the original column and the rotator between the 2, coz it was decreasing stability.

Later I also completely reversed the scheme, using larger tripods, and attatching the camera to the small edge of the monopod..

This increases stability and highness reachable. Though Agnos rotators and Manfrotto 300n are sturdy enough, I always prefer to rotate the tripod column and to have a straight connection between the tripod column and the monopod. I think my way  is less confortable, but more simple and secure. Did you upgraded that setup after the gondola shot? what directions took?

@all,

I used Feisol once. My impression was very good. I have many Manfrottos, one Gitzo, a Giottos, and 2 Berlebach, that are the ones that I'm mostly attatched to.

--
Luca Vascon.

www.nuovostudio.it
www.officinepanottiche.com

Here for comparison is the original video from one of the cameras (the L one as
it happens)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_l2f0uvEhV8

.. before they have been levelled, aligned to each other (parallelized so 
minimized vertical disparities for stereo viewing), stabilized and perspective
transformed to Vedutismo (via intermediate equi steps)  - with PTGui

PeterM

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "panovrx" <panovrx@...> wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-8UsEKQZnU
>
> (looks better if you up the resolution on playback and choose B/W in the 3d
options and choose fullscreen)
>
> this is a frenzied crowd scene (gambling on Anzac Day) shot handheld over my
head with a Gopro3d rig. Because I was in one spot I could use the masked area
of the building in the background to stabilize the shot with PTGui (and
simultaneously align L and R views and level and convert to Vedutismo). If I was
moving through the crowd this wouldnt work and I would have to use other
stabisation software like Deshaker for Virtualdub. One advantage of fisheye
lenses for post-stabilising is that the wide view often gives you unobstructed
static areas in all the shots  (eg. the tops of buildings -- which can be used
for efficient tracking by PTGui etc)
>
> Actually when I got there I realised this would be a good scene for a regular
panorama -- I will have to make one if I can next year
>
> PeterM
>

So spending a whole day last weekend to calibrate all of my cameras and lenses
with Adobe Lens Profile Creator may not have been worth the effort?
Still, I have good geometric distortion correction and vignetting information
which I don't think Adobe could auto calculate for one-off photos.

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Hans" <hans@...> wrote:
>
> I wanted to check some D800 Raw files and had to download the latest Beta
release of Camera Raw.
> http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/cameraraw6-7/?tabID=details#tabTop
>
> The images was from a 15mm Sigma and I could not see any CA. It turned out
that Camera Raw now have auto removement. No sliders of any kind.
> You find it in the Profiles as an option to unbook. It is booked by default
and the only option you have in addition is the defringe.
>
> Putting it in the profile option is not quite correct though I think as it
works without any profiles. It should be together with the defringe.
> No exif needed . My shaved 10.5 5D and old lenses like my 30 year old Nikkor
28mm or even Pentax 67 lenses on adapters are all perfectly CA corrected
automatically.
>
> Do not ask me how it is done.
>
> Hans
>

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Richard" <richard_j_powell@...> wrote:
>
> So spending a whole day last weekend to calibrate all of my cameras and lenses
with Adobe Lens Profile Creator may not have been worth the effort?
> Still, I have good geometric distortion correction and vignetting information
which I don't think Adobe could auto calculate for one-off photos.

The automatic CA correction is an independent option and does not really belong
to the profiles.
I think it is a failure  putting it in the options for the profiles. It should
have been together with the defringe option.

Hans



>
> --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Hans" <hans@> wrote:
> >
> > I wanted to check some D800 Raw files and had to download the latest Beta
release of Camera Raw.
> > http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/cameraraw6-7/?tabID=details#tabTop
> >
> > The images was from a 15mm Sigma and I could not see any CA. It turned out
that Camera Raw now have auto removement. No sliders of any kind.
> > You find it in the Profiles as an option to unbook. It is booked by default
and the only option you have in addition is the defringe.
> >
> > Putting it in the profile option is not quite correct though I think as it
works without any profiles. It should be together with the defringe.
> > No exif needed . My shaved 10.5 5D and old lenses like my 30 year old Nikkor
28mm or even Pentax 67 lenses on adapters are all perfectly CA corrected
automatically.
> >
> > Do not ask me how it is done.
> >
> > Hans
> >
>

Am 29.04.2012 11:26, schrieb Christian Bloch:
>
> Silly question, but could that data also be used to *apply* these lens
> flaws to a clean photo?
> That could be really useful for compositing.

What do you want to apply? Certainly not CA and lens distortion.
Vignetting can be easily applied but of course there are a lot of
plugins that do exactly that.

CA can be applied with any program that has manual CA correction,
including PTLens or any panotools GUI (hugin, PTGui, etc) if you
separate the channels into single images.

Lens distortion can be applied with panotools GUI's as well. Simply
enter the abc parameters manually...

--
Erik Krause
http://www.erik-krause.de

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, luca vascon <luca.vascon@...> wrote:
>
> Hmmm, my own concern was about wobbling, for the small legs, and long
> monopod.
> @Jurgen,
> keep in mind that is a long, sturdy monopod, and that it can be paired with
> a 2nd monopod reversed on it (the way I did a lot of 3m high shots)
> @Hans,
> I also used a small, welldone chinese tripod with a long monopod inserted
> as central column (it was the right diameter), just before we made the
> Venice meeting. But I never mounted  it with the original column and the
> rotator between the 2, coz it was decreasing stability.
> Later I also completely reversed the scheme, using larger tripods, and
> attatching the camera to the small edge of the monopod..
> This increases stability and highness reachable. Though Agnos rotators and
> Manfrotto 300n are sturdy enough, I always prefer to rotate the tripod
> column and to have a straight connection between the tripod column and the
> monopod. I think my way  is less confortable, but more simple and secure.
> Did you upgraded that setup after the gondola shot? what directions took?
> @all,

I done several versions.

Here is my latest. A superlight travelset. Just got it and have not used it 
much yet.
Long winter. Tomorrow spring is here they say so maybe.
You need to be a little patient though if you need to shoot log exposures,
http://www.panoramas.dk/panorama/tripod/cullmann+giotto.jpg

Hans


> I used Feisol once. My impression was very good. I have many Manfrottos,
> one Gitzo, a Giottos, and 2 Berlebach, that are the ones that I'm mostly
> attatched to.
>
> --
> Luca Vascon.
>
> www.nuovostudio.it
> www.officinepanottiche.com
>

Am 29.04.2012 20:33, schrieb Christian Bloch:
> I guess I would just invert all the measured values and enter them manually.
> Have to try that.

For the abc parameters that won't probably work. You can get a feeling
what they do if you download abc.xls from http://www.4pi.org/downloads/
and play with the sliders.

--
Erik Krause
http://www.erik-krause.de

Your are the man on 3D Peter ! It looks really good, I think you should have a
blog and write some tutorials ^_^

Regards !
Enrique.


--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "panovrx" <panovrx@...> wrote:
>
> Here for comparison is the original video from one of the cameras (the L one
as it happens)
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_l2f0uvEhV8
>
> .. before they have been levelled, aligned to each other (parallelized so 
minimized vertical disparities for stereo viewing), stabilized and perspective
transformed to Vedutismo (via intermediate equi steps)  - with PTGui
>
> PeterM
>
> --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "panovrx" <panovrx@> wrote:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-8UsEKQZnU
> >
> > (looks better if you up the resolution on playback and choose B/W in the 3d
options and choose fullscreen)
> >
> > this is a frenzied crowd scene (gambling on Anzac Day) shot handheld over my
head with a Gopro3d rig. Because I was in one spot I could use the masked area
of the building in the background to stabilize the shot with PTGui (and
simultaneously align L and R views and level and convert to Vedutismo). If I was
moving through the crowd this wouldnt work and I would have to use other
stabisation software like Deshaker for Virtualdub. One advantage of fisheye
lenses for post-stabilising is that the wide view often gives you unobstructed
static areas in all the shots  (eg. the tops of buildings -- which can be used
for efficient tracking by PTGui etc)
> >
> > Actually when I got there I realised this would be a good scene for a
regular panorama -- I will have to make one if I can next year
> >
> > PeterM
> >
>

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Robert Lesac <robert@...> wrote:
>
> So you people with NN M1, how repeatable do you find the setup?
> Good enough for template stitching?

Yesterday, I tried making a template with a panorama shot in the garden (bewteen
showers!). I then used the template to stitch a panorama which I shot in my
kitchen.  That came out ok, which was encouraging: no visible stitching errors. 
Today, I packed the tripod, M1L head and camera in a back pack and shot some
panoramas at the river Ouse at Barford, and they, too came out rather well. 
This is one (no control points, and straight out of PTGui):

http://www.johnhpanos.com/barf-no-cps.htm

I took a viewpoint nadir shot but that was left out of the stitch shown here. 
The camera was Canon 5DII + Canon 8-15mm fisheye at 15mm.  Tripod: Feisol
CT3441S.

John

On Tue, 01 May 2012 02:43:23 +0900, John Houghton
<j.houghton@...> wrote:

> --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Robert Lesac <robert@...> wrote:
>>
>> So you people with NN M1, how repeatable do you find the setup?
>> Good enough for template stitching?
>
> Yesterday, I tried making a template with a panorama shot in the garden
> (bewteen showers!). I then used the template to stitch a panorama which
> I shot in my kitchen.  That came out ok, which was encouraging: no
> visible stitching errors.  Today, I packed the tripod, M1L head and
> camera in a back pack and shot some panoramas at the river Ouse at
> Barford, and they, too came out rather well.  This is one (no control
> points, and straight out of PTGui):
>
> http://www.johnhpanos.com/barf-no-cps.htm
>
> I took a viewpoint nadir shot but that was left out of the stitch shown
> here.  The camera was Canon 5DII + Canon 8-15mm fisheye at 15mm.
> Tripod: Feisol CT3441S.

That really is astonishingly good for a pure template-generated panorama
with no control points. I wish there were some way for templates to work
with hand-held monopod sequences. <wry grin>

Roger W.

--
Business: www.adex-japan.com
Pleasure: www.usefilm.com/member/roger
Panorama: Rogerama at photosynth.net

greetings!

that is indeed "astonishingly good...", but it may also be slightly misleading.
when looking at images such as these, in the context of discussions on
equipment, people sometimes forget the most important component of the chain:
the human behind it all.  just because the honorable johnh can get these
results, does not mean that i, using the same equipment, would get equally good
results.  i know you know this, but perhaps a reminder is not out of order...
cheers,
pedro

ps: john, why do you shower before and after making panoramas in the garden?!
;-)

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "Roger D. Williams" <roger@...> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 01 May 2012 02:43:23 +0900, John Houghton
> <j.houghton@...> wrote:
>
> > --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Robert Lesac <robert@> wrote:
> >>
> >> So you people with NN M1, how repeatable do you find the setup?
> >> Good enough for template stitching?
> >
> > Yesterday, I tried making a template with a panorama shot in the garden
> > (bewteen showers!). I then used the template to stitch a panorama which
> > I shot in my kitchen.  That came out ok, which was encouraging: no
> > visible stitching errors.  Today, I packed the tripod, M1L head and
> > camera in a back pack and shot some panoramas at the river Ouse at
> > Barford, and they, too came out rather well.  This is one (no control
> > points, and straight out of PTGui):
> >
> > http://www.johnhpanos.com/barf-no-cps.htm
> >
> > I took a viewpoint nadir shot but that was left out of the stitch shown
> > here.  The camera was Canon 5DII + Canon 8-15mm fisheye at 15mm.
> > Tripod: Feisol CT3441S.
>
> That really is astonishingly good for a pure template-generated panorama
> with no control points. I wish there were some way for templates to work
> with hand-held monopod sequences. <wry grin>
>
> Roger W.
>
> --
> Business: www.adex-japan.com
> Pleasure: www.usefilm.com/member/roger
> Panorama: Rogerama at photosynth.net
>

On 30.4.2012. 19:43, John Houghton wrote:
> --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:PanoToolsNG%40yahoogroups.com>, Robert Lesac <robert@...> wrote:
>  >
>  > So you people with NN M1, how repeatable do you find the setup?
>  > Good enough for template stitching?
>
> Yesterday, I tried making a template with a panorama shot in the garden
> (bewteen showers!). I then used the template to stitch a panorama which
> I shot in my kitchen. That came out ok, which was encouraging: no
> visible stitching errors. Today, I packed the tripod, M1L head and
> camera in a back pack and shot some panoramas at the river Ouse at
> Barford, and they, too came out rather well. This is one (no control
> points, and straight out of PTGui):
>
> http://www.johnhpanos.com/barf-no-cps.htm
>
> I took a viewpoint nadir shot but that was left out of the stitch shown
> here. The camera was Canon 5DII + Canon 8-15mm fisheye at 15mm. Tripod:
> Feisol CT3441S.

That's a very good stitch if you haven't done any adjustment.
Can you tell me how many photos did you take?

--

Pano/VR/Gigapixel photography: http://robertlesac.com

Hi,

I found this link...

http://fotograf.nu/log/wp-content/uploads/sakura14days/splitscreen.html

Do you have a link which gives an idea on how it can be done?

Thanks

Luc

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Robert Lesac <robert@...> wrote:
> That's a very good stitch if you haven't done any adjustment.
> Can you tell me how many photos did you take?
>
No adjustment.  I took 6 shots around at pitch 0° One zenith at +75° and two
nadirs at -90° (one rotated by 180°).  I also took a shifted viewpoint nadir
shot, but that needed a few control points to align it with one of the two nadir
shots.  The viewpoint patched nadir version is at:

http://www.johnhpanos.com/barf-no-cps-vp.htm

(And before someone says that you can manage without the two nadir shots by
tilting the horizonal row down by 10 or 15°, I do know that but prefer to have a
smaller zenith hole to fill when there are clouds blowing across above, which
are a headache to deal with).

John

re Gopro 360 videos
this Italian guy has got a  Gopro 360  rig working well
http://www.onboardcamera.it/ale/
using Ryubin 360 video player for viewing
beats me how he gets so much coverage with only 5 cameras

his company
http://www.onboardcamera.it
makes Gopro accessories including a remote start so probably he is syncing them
all that way
http://www.onboardcamera.it/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=168

on the Gopro Forum
http://goprouser.freeforums.org/gopro-for-360-video-here-are-my-setup-t7412.html

see also
http://goprouser.freeforums.org/gopro-for-360-video-here-are-my-setup-t7412.html
with another guys rig -- for 360 still panos

you need to join the goprouser forum to see the forum links

PeterM

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, AYRTON <avi@...> wrote:
>
> Want to know more about it ?
>
> Then, NYC2012 is the place to be
>
> <
>
http://www.nyc2012.org/2012/05/joergen-geerds-the-future-of-array-video-cameras/
> >
>
> Still some tickets...
>
> go get it :-)
>
>
http://www.nyc2012.org/2012/05/joergen-geerds-the-future-of-array-video-cameras/
>
> Cyu there
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
>
> + 55 21 9982 6313 - RIO
> http://ayrton360.com
> twitter.com/ayrton360
>
> "It's not WHAT you shoot. It's the WAY you shoot it."
>

last link should be
http://goprouser.freeforums.org/5-gopro-array-one-click-aerial-panoramas-360-vid\
eo-t2451.html

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "panovrx" <panovrx@...> wrote:
>
> re Gopro 360 videos
> this Italian guy has got a  Gopro 360  rig working well
> http://www.onboardcamera.it/ale/
> using Ryubin 360 video player for viewing
> beats me how he gets so much coverage with only 5 cameras
>
> his company
> http://www.onboardcamera.it
> makes Gopro accessories including a remote start so probably he is syncing
them all that way
> http://www.onboardcamera.it/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=168
>
> on the Gopro Forum
>
http://goprouser.freeforums.org/gopro-for-360-video-here-are-my-setup-t7412.html
>
> see also
>
http://goprouser.freeforums.org/gopro-for-360-video-here-are-my-setup-t7412.html
> with another guys rig -- for 360 still panos
>
> you need to join the goprouser forum to see the forum links
>
> PeterM
>
> --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, AYRTON <avi@> wrote:
> >
> > Want to know more about it ?
> >
> > Then, NYC2012 is the place to be
> >
> > <
> >
http://www.nyc2012.org/2012/05/joergen-geerds-the-future-of-array-video-cameras/
> > >
> >
> > Still some tickets...
> >
> > go get it :-)
> >
> >
http://www.nyc2012.org/2012/05/joergen-geerds-the-future-of-array-video-cameras/
> >
> > Cyu there
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> >
> > [image: Inline image 1]
> >
> >
> > + 55 21 9982 6313 - RIO
> > http://ayrton360.com
> > twitter.com/ayrton360
> >
> > "It's not WHAT you shoot. It's the WAY you shoot it."
> >
>

soon we will be able to drive panoramas like this -- via mini depth webcam
gadgets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhZL7_G5SU4

PeterM