I've used Zerene stacker for many stacked macro photos.  Form all the reviews
I've been able to find it is one of the best.

I also have an extra Melles Griot telecentric lens if anyone is interested. 
Here is a pan and stitched sample (not stacked):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dbur971/4732547090/in/set-72157627813468144

Here is what the lens looks like:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dbur971/4732535550/in/photostream

Front of the lens is about 3" across, I use it with 55mm Nikkor macro lens as
base lens.  Seems to work with the Canon 50mm as well.

It may require more images than you want for your hammer, but doable.

David B


--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Erik Krause  wrote:
>
> Am 23.01.2013 11:44, schrieb johntunley:
> > I don't at present have a focus slider so decided to give lens focus
> > adjustment a try and produced two more stitched images at different
> > focus planes..
>
> Inspired by your question I searched a bit and found Zerene Stacker, a
> program made by a (former) member of this group, Rik Littlefield. There
> is a lot of information at http://zerenesystems.com/ and interestingly
> he favors the focus ring method.
>
> He is also administrator at http://www.photomacrography.net/forum/ where
> you can find a real wealth of information, including how to create and
> use a telecentric lens system, which allows for perspective-less focus
> stacking and stitching.
>
> --
> Erik Krause
> http://www.erik-krause.de
>

eye-fi card is a bit clunky and cludgey, i don't like it.



--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, SKAL  wrote:
>
> Il 25/01/2013 11:08, Andy Anderson ha scritto:
> > Google Eye-fi. ...it is a storage card that will wifi images from ur
> > camera to a tablet or laptop
>
> Hi Andy, this looks like a interestin stuff, the "problem" is that you
> can see the foto once it is done. As far I can see is that it gives you
> not the lifeview.
>
> Other thing is that the original questio was to know how to be sure that
> the pole is straight and you took all the panorama...
>
> anyway thank you for your answare :)
>
> SKAL
>

i fully disagree.

if you think that encrypting something that is shown on a website is going to
help, I think you might be misunderstanding some of the implications of
publishing on the web.

if you are SHOWING your image on the web, the person looking at them, by
definition, is downloading them to their computer (to their web cache, at least)

encrypting a tour might make it slightly harder to "steal" the images, but not
very much at all. and anyone who actually does want to steal it, will certainly
know how to get around that.

sorry to pee on your bed, or whatever the metaphor is here ;-)



--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Trausti Hraunfjord  wrote:
>
> Encryption of your work and other security features are essential in order
> to protect the work from being stolen.  If a client has paid for a project,
> let's just assume that it is an airplane museum, anyone can steal the
> imagery that the client has paid for, if it is not secured.  Not a very
> professional way to deliver content.  On the other side of the table we may
> have to protect ourselves from less than decent clients who might run off
> with a project without paying for it (after they get it for
> proof-checking), or they may alter the tour after the tour has been paid
> for (not a good thing to put one's name on some work that is then ruined by
> people who change things or make things so badly that the tour won't work
> as it should.
>
> There are many good and valid reasons for securing the work as well as
> possible.
>
> Trausti
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 5:06 AM, SKAL  wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Il 23/01/2013 19:06, needakeeper ha scritto:
> >
> >
> >
> > I will be using pano cocoon to handle encryption for the flash based tour,
> > but I have been unable to find out what software I should use to encrypt
> > the xml and images in the html5 tour.
> >
> > Can someone give me a recommendation?
> >
> > Thanks-Stephani
> >
> > Sorry for the noobie question, but why do you have to encrypt a pano?
> >
> > SKAL
> >
> >
> >
>

Am 25.01.2013 11:43, schrieb johntunley:
> Thanks for the link to the telecentric lens articles which are worth
> a more detailed look, unfortunately timescales prevent that just
> now.

Just for the records: There are several combinations of standard lenses
and standard achromatic close-up lenses that make up a (near)
telecentric combo: f.e the Canon EF 100mm 1:2.8 IS USM macro lens
together with a 5dpt close-up lens as well as the EF 100-400 1:4.5-5.6
IS USM (at 400mm) with a 2dpt close-up lens. Both must be used at near
focus.

I've discovered both accidentally when playing around with close-up
lenses I happen to own. For the EF 100mm I used a step down ring
(67->58mm) which doesn't cause vignetting and allows to use my
collection of 58mm filters. It doesn't work with the older Canon 100mm
macro lenses though...

The 2dpt close-up lens is recycled from a 500mm f/8 Beroflex telephoto
lens (where the back lens group was blinded by bad lens fungus). I use
it with a step down ring (77->72mm). I mention this because the distance
between close-up lens and base lens is critical.

In fact any combination of close-up lens and base lens should work if
some kind of extension tube is used which places the focal point of the
close-up lens in the entrance pupil of the base lens, which effectively
projects the entrance pupil and hence the no-parallax-point at infinity
behind the camera.

--
Erik Krause
http://www.erik-krause.de

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> In fact any combination of close-up lens and base lens should work
> if some kind of extension tube is used which places the focal point
> of the close-up lens in the entrance pupil of the base lens, which
> effectively projects the entrance pupil and hence the
> no-parallax-point at infinity behind the camera.


Is there a tutorial how I can determine which add-on lens I need to
buy for a given macro lens?

I have a Sigma 105mm macro.

Cheers,
Gerhard


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From: giant_klobasa_monster

To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 4:40 AM

Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Re: Html5 xml and image encyrption

 

i fully disagree.

if you think that encrypting something that is shown on a website is going to help, I think you might be misunderstanding some of the implications of publishing on the web.

if you are SHOWING your image on the web, the person looking at them, by definition, is downloading them to their computer (to their web cache, at least)

encrypting a tour might make it slightly harder to "steal" the images, but not very much at all. and anyone who actually does want to steal it, will certainly know how to get around that.

sorry to pee on your bed, or whatever the metaphor is here ;-)

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Trausti Hraunfjord wrote:
>
> Encryption of your work and other security features are essential in order
> to protect the work from being stolen. If a client has paid for a project,
> let's just assume that it is an airplane museum, anyone can steal the
> imagery that the client has paid for, if it is not secured. Not a very
> professional way to deliver content. On the other side of the table we may
> have to protect ourselves from less than decent clients who might run off
> with a project without paying for it (after they get it for
> proof-checking), or they may alter the tour after the tour has been paid
> for (not a good thing to put one's name on some work that is then ruined by
> people who change things or make things so badly that the tour won't work
> as it should.
>
> There are many good and valid reasons for securing the work as well as
> possible.
>
> Trausti
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 5:06 AM, SKAL wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Il 23/01/2013 19:06, needakeeper ha scritto:
> >
> >
> >
> > I will be using pano cocoon to handle encryption for the flash based tour,
> > but I have been unable to find out what software I should use to encrypt
> > the xml and images in the html5 tour.
> >
> > Can someone give me a recommendation?
> >
> > Thanks-Stephani
> >
> > Sorry for the noobie question, but why do you have to encrypt a pano?
> >
> > SKAL
> >
> >
> >
>

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A real world challenging :)

I'm sure you would never throw out some outlandish claims you couldn't back up in real life, so I do appreciate you taking the time to prove your claims, so that I would not be claiming something you have proven to be wrong.

Here you have a project that has been encrypted, and you are more than welcome to take the images from the browser cache and do with them as you like... or in some other magical way turn this into a usable panorama on your end: http://goo.gl/Q9wyB

Since you FULLY DISAGREE with my statement, I think it is only fair that you provide more than just a claim.  I provide a protected project, next move is yours.

Final result: Build the same panorama (it is a simple one, no hotspots or other things to take care of), and provide a link to it when it is ready.  This project expires in exactly one week, which should be more than enough time for you to do your magic.... after all you did say: "encrypting a tour might make it slightly harder to "steal" the images, but not very much at all.".  I do ABSOLUTELY disagree with your claim, and unless you provide a PROOF in the form of the same panorama images being displayed on your server, using whatever player you desire, I will of course expect you to apologize for wrong statements and for trying to take a leak in my bed.

I sincerely don't think you are anywhere close to wetting my bed - and that you might want to change your own bed-sheets before going to sleep :)

In THEORY, the encryption can be broken by super computers, but who does have access to super computers, and who is so hell bent on getting some panoramic images, they would try to get those by using said super computers?  Point being: The images are safe and secure when encrypted, and won't be stolen by competitors or some sleazy panorama thiefs (that do stick up their ugly heads from time to time, making life miserable for the content creators and tour owners).  

Best regards, and good luck!

Trausti

On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 6:40 AM, giant_klobasa_monster <panoramas@...> wrote:

 

i fully disagree.

if you think that encrypting something that is shown on a website is going to help, I think you might be misunderstanding some of the implications of publishing on the web.

if you are SHOWING your image on the web, the person looking at them, by definition, is downloading them to their computer (to their web cache, at least)

encrypting a tour might make it slightly harder to "steal" the images, but not very much at all. and anyone who actually does want to steal it, will certainly know how to get around that.

sorry to pee on your bed, or whatever the metaphor is here ;-)

----- Original Message -----

From: Trausti Hraunfjord

To: PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:08 AM

Subject: Re: [PanoToolsNG] Re: Html5 xml and image encyrption

 

A real world challenging :)

I'm sure you would never throw out some outlandish claims you couldn't back up in real life, so I do appreciate you taking the time to prove your claims, so that I would not be claiming something you have proven to be wrong.

Here you have a project that has been encrypted, and you are more than welcome to take the images from the browser cache and do with them as you like... or in some other magical way turn this into a usable panorama on your end: http://goo.gl/Q9wyB

Since you FULLY DISAGREE with my statement, I think it is only fair that you provide more than just a claim.  I provide a protected project, next move is yours.

Final result: Build the same panorama (it is a simple one, no hotspots or other things to take care of), and provide a link to it when it is ready.  This project expires in exactly one week, which should be more than enough time for you to do your magic.... after all you did say: "encrypting a tour might make it slightly harder to "steal" the images, but not very much at all.".  I do ABSOLUTELY disagree with your claim, and unless you provide a PROOF in the form of the same panorama images being displayed on your server, using whatever player you desire, I will of course expect you to apologize for wrong statements and for trying to take a leak in my bed.

I sincerely don't think you are anywhere close to wetting my bed - and that you might want to change your own bed-sheets before going to sleep :)

In THEORY, the encryption can be broken by super computers, but who does have access to super computers, and who is so hell bent on getting some panoramic images, they would try to get those by using said super computers?  Point being: The images are safe and secure when encrypted, and won't be stolen by competitors or some sleazy panorama thiefs (that do stick up their ugly heads from time to time, making life miserable for the content creators and tour owners).  

Best regards, and good luck!

Trausti

On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 6:40 AM, giant_klobasa_monster <panoramas@...> wrote:

 

i fully disagree.

if you think that encrypting something that is shown on a website is going to help, I think you might be misunderstanding some of the implications of publishing on the web.

if you are SHOWING your image on the web, the person looking at them, by definition, is downloading them to their computer (to their web cache, at least)

encrypting a tour might make it slightly harder to "steal" the images, but not very much at all. and anyone who actually does want to steal it, will certainly know how to get around that.

sorry to pee on your bed, or whatever the metaphor is here ;-)

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Hi,
Same here. I see a manufacture plant.

On Sat, January 26, 2013 4:43 pm, Fernando Costa Pinto wrote:
> Sacha ..it does load ..I see a manufacture plant
>

Am 26.01.2013 15:59, schrieb Gerhard Killesreiter:
>> >In fact any combination of close-up lens and base lens should work
>> >if some kind of extension tube is used which places the focal point
>> >of the close-up lens in the entrance pupil of the base lens, which
>> >effectively projects the entrance pupil and hence the
>> >no-parallax-point at infinity behind the camera.
>
> Is there a tutorial how I can determine which add-on lens I need to
> buy for a given macro lens?

I don't know of any. However, it's not limited to macro lenses, any lens
will do as a base lens. First determine where the no-parallax-point
(NPP) of the base lens is just as for panorama shooting. Next calculate
the focal length of the close-up lens, it's 1/dpt in meters. So if it
has 2 dpt (diopters) the focal length is 50cm. Place the close-up lens
by it's focal length in front of the NPP of the base lens. In our
example you should place it 50cm in front of the NPP.
You can even use an inverted other lens if you don't have a close-up
lens, like Rik did in his setup:
http://www.photomacrography.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1032
In this case the correct position must be found by try and error

Another combo can be found here:
http://www.photomacrography.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18323

For more one telecentric macro shooting search Rik's page for
"telecentr": http://janrik.net/RiksLinks.html

--
Erik Krause
http://www.erik-krause.de

On 01/27/2013, at 5:08 AM, Trausti Hraunfjord wrote:

> Here you have a project that has been encrypted, and you are more than welcome
to take the images from the browser cache and do with them as you like... or in
some other magical way turn this into a usable panorama on your end:
http://goo.gl/Q9wyB


Don't have time this morning to do anything more than play (with 10 minutes to
spare) but I think in a week (which I just don't have at the moment) it's quite
a do-able challenge:

http://www.kathyw.org/PanoTools/Trausti/

Cheers,
KathyW.

Am 26.01.2013 21:54, schrieb Trausti Hraunfjord:

> even the screen grab
> feature can be blocked with a javascript

No, of course not. Javascript runs in the browser and can't interact
with a different program, which might offer screen grab (like f.e.
IrfanView on windows).

--
Erik Krause
http://www.erik-krause.de

hello there

how can I transfer my qtvr (.mov) on an iPad and see them?

I cannot transfer to iTunes library

Thanks for any hints

Companies like JD Edwards, Melles Griot and other have some tutorials that
explain exactly what "telecentricity" is.  Based on my research on this topic,
your best resource will be the links to photomacrography.net that were posted
earlier.  As far as I can tell, this is relatively novel ground for
photographers in general; Rik Littlefield's articles are the best I've found.

Regards
--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Gerhard Killesreiter  wrote:
>
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>
> > In fact any combination of close-up lens and base lens should work
> > if some kind of extension tube is used which places the focal point
> > of the close-up lens in the entrance pupil of the base lens, which
> > effectively projects the entrance pupil and hence the
> > no-parallax-point at infinity behind the camera.
>
>
> Is there a tutorial how I can determine which add-on lens I need to
> buy for a given macro lens?
>
> I have a Sigma 105mm macro.
>
> Cheers,
> Gerhard
>
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Here you have a project that has been encrypted, and you are more than welcome to take the images from the browser cache and do with them as you like... or in some other magical way turn this into a usable panorama on your end: http://goo.gl/Q9wyB

Am 26.01.2013 22:48, schrieb Trausti Hraunfjord:
> I have to agree with you after doing some digging.  I was quoting from what
> I remembered from years ago ... IE days no less... I think this "solution"
> is what I came across, and it doesn't work in today's browsers:
> http://www.dynamicdrive.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-482.html
>
> So... no go on that.
>
> Someone in the panorama community (Panoguide if my brain is not failing me
> on that account as well) did show an example of a copyright info being
> displayed when save image or print screen was used (don't remember which
> one, or if both were covered).  That was probably 3-4 years ago... if that
> solution still works or not I don't know.

There might be ways to disable Ctrl+PrintScreen buttons which activate
the OS print screen function on system level and may be ActivX still
allows for this, but there is no way in more secure browsers and
certainly there is no way around programs offering screen capture.

--
Erik Krause
http://www.erik-krause.de

Erik is right.  And think about it.  If you could do such retasking of
fundamental browser actions from script in an HTML page, that would be a HUGE
security hole.  If image security becomes a more important issue than it is
today, then maybe image encryption will be built into script interpreters --
maybe someday.


On 1/27/2013 2:32 AM, Erik Krause wrote:
> Am 26.01.2013 22:48, schrieb Trausti Hraunfjord:
>> I have to agree with you after doing some digging.  I was quoting from what
>> I remembered from years ago ... IE days no less... I think this "solution"
>> is what I came across, and it doesn't work in today's browsers:
>> http://www.dynamicdrive.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-482.html
>>
>> So... no go on that.
>>
>> Someone in the panorama community (Panoguide if my brain is not failing me
>> on that account as well) did show an example of a copyright info being
>> displayed when save image or print screen was used (don't remember which
>> one, or if both were covered).  That was probably 3-4 years ago... if that
>> solution still works or not I don't know.
>
> There might be ways to disable Ctrl+PrintScreen buttons which activate
> the OS print screen function on system level and may be ActivX still
> allows for this, but there is no way in more secure browsers and
> certainly there is no way around programs offering screen capture.
>

OK Trausti
http://www.360cities.net/image/a-panorama-stolen-from-trausti-all-in-good-fun

it actually took me FIVE WHOLE MINUTES to do it, while eating a banana and
bouncing a baby on my knee. Maybe if I put the banana down I could have done it
in 3 minutes.

I could steal the pano while making a pizza at the same time but this would take
probably more like 8 or 9 minutes, because of the greasy hands, I would have to
use my nose on the trackpad which really slows me down a lot.

so i stole the pano AND THEN i'll make a pizza which is more efficient.
multitasking is overrated.

It will have bacon on it. yummy!

kthanksbye



--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Trausti Hraunfjord  wrote:
>
> A real world challenging :)
>
> I'm sure you would never throw out some outlandish claims you couldn't back
> up in real life, so I do appreciate you taking the time to prove your
> claims, so that I would not be claiming something you have proven to be
> wrong.
>
> Here you have a project that has been encrypted, and you are more than
> welcome to take the images from the browser cache and do with them as you
> like... or in some other magical way turn this into a usable panorama on
> your end: http://goo.gl/Q9wyB
>
> Since you FULLY DISAGREE with my statement, I think it is only fair that
> you provide more than just a claim.  I provide a protected project, next
> move is yours.
>
> Final result: Build the same panorama (it is a simple one, no hotspots or
> other things to take care of), and provide a link to it when it is ready.
>  This project expires in exactly one week, which should be more than enough
> time for you to do your magic.... after all you did say: "encrypting a tour
> might make it slightly harder to "steal" the images, but not very much at
> all.".  I do ABSOLUTELY disagree with your claim, and unless you provide a
> PROOF in the form of the same panorama images being displayed on your
> server, using whatever player you desire, I will of course expect you to
> apologize for wrong statements and for trying to take a leak in my bed.
>
> I sincerely don't think you are anywhere close to wetting my bed - and that
> you might want to change your own bed-sheets before going to sleep :)
>
> In THEORY, the encryption can be broken by super computers, but who does
> have access to super computers, and who is so hell bent on getting some
> panoramic images, they would try to get those by using said super
> computers?  Point being: The images are safe and secure when encrypted, and
> won't be stolen by competitors or some sleazy panorama thiefs (that do
> stick up their ugly heads from time to time, making life miserable for the
> content creators and tour owners).
>
> Best regards, and good luck!
>
> Trausti
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 6:40 AM, giant_klobasa_monster
> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > i fully disagree.
> >
> > if you think that encrypting something that is shown on a website is going
> > to help, I think you might be misunderstanding some of the implications of
> > publishing on the web.
> >
> > if you are SHOWING your image on the web, the person looking at them, by
> > definition, is downloading them to their computer (to their web cache, at
> > least)
> >
> > encrypting a tour might make it slightly harder to "steal" the images, but
> > not very much at all. and anyone who actually does want to steal it, will
> > certainly know how to get around that.
> >
> > sorry to pee on your bed, or whatever the metaphor is here ;-)
> >
> >
>