Erik is right.  And think about it.  If you could do such retasking of
fundamental browser actions from script in an HTML page, that would be a HUGE
security hole.  If image security becomes a more important issue than it is
today, then maybe image encryption will be built into script interpreters --
maybe someday.


On 1/27/2013 2:32 AM, Erik Krause wrote:
> Am 26.01.2013 22:48, schrieb Trausti Hraunfjord:
>> I have to agree with you after doing some digging.  I was quoting from what
>> I remembered from years ago ... IE days no less... I think this "solution"
>> is what I came across, and it doesn't work in today's browsers:
>> http://www.dynamicdrive.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-482.html
>>
>> So... no go on that.
>>
>> Someone in the panorama community (Panoguide if my brain is not failing me
>> on that account as well) did show an example of a copyright info being
>> displayed when save image or print screen was used (don't remember which
>> one, or if both were covered).  That was probably 3-4 years ago... if that
>> solution still works or not I don't know.
>
> There might be ways to disable Ctrl+PrintScreen buttons which activate
> the OS print screen function on system level and may be ActivX still
> allows for this, but there is no way in more secure browsers and
> certainly there is no way around programs offering screen capture.
>

OK Trausti
http://www.360cities.net/image/a-panorama-stolen-from-trausti-all-in-good-fun

it actually took me FIVE WHOLE MINUTES to do it, while eating a banana and
bouncing a baby on my knee. Maybe if I put the banana down I could have done it
in 3 minutes.

I could steal the pano while making a pizza at the same time but this would take
probably more like 8 or 9 minutes, because of the greasy hands, I would have to
use my nose on the trackpad which really slows me down a lot.

so i stole the pano AND THEN i'll make a pizza which is more efficient.
multitasking is overrated.

It will have bacon on it. yummy!

kthanksbye



--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Trausti Hraunfjord  wrote:
>
> A real world challenging :)
>
> I'm sure you would never throw out some outlandish claims you couldn't back
> up in real life, so I do appreciate you taking the time to prove your
> claims, so that I would not be claiming something you have proven to be
> wrong.
>
> Here you have a project that has been encrypted, and you are more than
> welcome to take the images from the browser cache and do with them as you
> like... or in some other magical way turn this into a usable panorama on
> your end: http://goo.gl/Q9wyB
>
> Since you FULLY DISAGREE with my statement, I think it is only fair that
> you provide more than just a claim.  I provide a protected project, next
> move is yours.
>
> Final result: Build the same panorama (it is a simple one, no hotspots or
> other things to take care of), and provide a link to it when it is ready.
>  This project expires in exactly one week, which should be more than enough
> time for you to do your magic.... after all you did say: "encrypting a tour
> might make it slightly harder to "steal" the images, but not very much at
> all.".  I do ABSOLUTELY disagree with your claim, and unless you provide a
> PROOF in the form of the same panorama images being displayed on your
> server, using whatever player you desire, I will of course expect you to
> apologize for wrong statements and for trying to take a leak in my bed.
>
> I sincerely don't think you are anywhere close to wetting my bed - and that
> you might want to change your own bed-sheets before going to sleep :)
>
> In THEORY, the encryption can be broken by super computers, but who does
> have access to super computers, and who is so hell bent on getting some
> panoramic images, they would try to get those by using said super
> computers?  Point being: The images are safe and secure when encrypted, and
> won't be stolen by competitors or some sleazy panorama thiefs (that do
> stick up their ugly heads from time to time, making life miserable for the
> content creators and tour owners).
>
> Best regards, and good luck!
>
> Trausti
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 6:40 AM, giant_klobasa_monster
> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > i fully disagree.
> >
> > if you think that encrypting something that is shown on a website is going
> > to help, I think you might be misunderstanding some of the implications of
> > publishing on the web.
> >
> > if you are SHOWING your image on the web, the person looking at them, by
> > definition, is downloading them to their computer (to their web cache, at
> > least)
> >
> > encrypting a tour might make it slightly harder to "steal" the images, but
> > not very much at all. and anyone who actually does want to steal it, will
> > certainly know how to get around that.
> >
> > sorry to pee on your bed, or whatever the metaphor is here ;-)
> >
> >
>

Willy

thanks ipano   works quite well but sometimes it transforms qtvr to equilateral
and I cannot get it back

I cannot find a manual, not even on watersoft.com,  for the instructions. Is
there one?

Pierlucio Pellissier
pierluciop@...

LOL

so after I stole it effortlessly, you complain about the quality


hahahaha



--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Trausti Hraunfjord  wrote:
>
> Comparing the two:
> http://flashificator.com/1/Diverse/KlobasaBananaYogurt.jpg
>
> Reconstructed has so little detail, that none of the text can be read.
>
> Trausti
>

The 7.5mm Samyang fisheye for M4/3 is pretty cheap.  What is the latest, best
way to adapt them to NEX E-mount?  Any thing different or better or more clever
than the work done by Smooth and Dennis and others a while back?

 

Of course I do!  :)

It is like this: You go into the Louvre museum, armed with a 128k digital camera for toddlers, snap a picture of the Mona Lisa, and claim to have a replica :)  

Of course exaggerated, but still in the general area.   A copy needs to meet minimum standards... otherwise it is just an imitation.

I have had a talk with my programmer about these things (screen grabs and encryption), and am better informed than I was... things are not as clear cut as I thought, and that is a bad thing, but there is also a possibility for ruining screen grabs... I want the programmer to explore that possibility when he finishes the translator for the H5 engine.  

Trausti

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 4:09 AM, giant_klobasa_monster <panoramas@...> wrote:

 

LOL

so after I stole it effortlessly, you complain about the quality

hahahaha

but there is also a possibility for ruining screen grabs...

 

On 28 Jan 2013, at 14:46, Trausti Hraunfjord wrote:

but there is also a possibility for ruining screen grabs...

Even if you find something, it's likely to be Windows-specific and possibly even IE-specific like a lot of the old Javascript stuff used to be.

The only thing I know of that won't register in a screengrab on OS X is DVD Player and that's not just written in at the OS level, it's also dependant on the make of graphics card.

On 28 Jan 2013, at 15:08, Quentin Desouza wrote:

As I see it the problem is that if the browser has to display the pano then it downloads and un-encrypts the images.

It isn't the browser doing the decoding, it's the Flash plugin.

Ian

 

@Quentin Desouza
The decryption doesn't take place on browser level, so that's not where the action would be, nor is it the Flash plugin doing the decryption.


@ Ian Wood
The screen grab destroyer is quite a smart solution, but if it will work generally for everything everywhere, and if it can be applied to flash and HTML5 panoramas... still remains to be seen.  Probably it can be circumvented in some way, as it is with everything in this world, but well worth looking into.

@Keith Martin
I'm not interested in wasting time (money) on things that turn out to be useless or un-doable... been there and tried that too many times.  A couple of days trying and testing if a concept works, is normally what it takes at most, and that is within acceptable limits.  Depending on the scale of the aftermath, one also has to do the math and filter out what may sound like a good idea, but which won't be in the end.

 

On OS X it's not possible, especially for HTML5 panoramas. You can simply use the OpenGL profile app, attach it to the browser and save out the images from the various buffers. Good luck stopping this from happening.

Matt

On 28 Jan 2013, at 17:45, Trausti Hraunfjord <trausti.hraunfjord@...> wrote:

 

It is possible yes, but I am of course not going to speak about it openly... that would only undermine the whole concept of trying to keep things as safe and protected as possible.

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Quentin Desouza <quentin@...> wrote:

 

Ultimately the decryption has to take place on the user's PC!
This means that reverse engineering the process is possible by a reasonably good software engineer!
Any way most of this is theoretical.
Tell me when it is a finished unbreakable product and I am willing to give it a shot.
Quentin.

On 1/28/2013 10:41 PM, Trausti Hraunfjord wrote:

 

@Quentin Desouza
The decryption doesn't take place on browser level, so that's not where the action would be, nor is it the Flash plugin doing the decryption.


@ Ian Wood
The screen grab destroyer is quite a smart solution, but if it will work generally for everything everywhere, and if it can be applied to flash and HTML5 panoramas... still remains to be seen.  Probably it can be circumvented in some way, as it is with everything in this world, but well worth looking into.

@Keith Martin
I'm not interested in wasting time (money) on things that turn out to be useless or un-doable... been there and tried that too many times.  A couple of days trying and testing if a concept works, is normally what it takes at most, and that is within acceptable limits.  Depending on the scale of the aftermath, one also has to do the math and filter out what may sound like a good idea, but which won't be in the end.

Hi Jim,

nice pic ;-)

all the best Bernd


--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Jim Watters  wrote:

> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3915874/jimwithpole.jpg
> Jim Watters

Trausti,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wntX-a3jSY


here is a secret that the record companies, among others, never quite figure out

stop trying so hard to secure your stuff, instead, try to disseminate it as
widely as possible, you will make more money and win more clients that way.

because that is the point, right.





--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Trausti Hraunfjord  wrote:
>
> Of course I do!  :)
>
> It is like this: You go into the Louvre museum, armed with a 128k digital
> camera for toddlers, snap a picture of the Mona Lisa, and claim to have a
> replica :)
>
> Of course exaggerated, but still in the general area.   A copy needs to
> meet minimum standards... otherwise it is just an imitation.
>
> I have had a talk with my programmer about these things (screen grabs and
> encryption), and am better informed than I was... things are not as clear
> cut as I thought, and that is a bad thing, but there is also a possibility
> for ruining screen grabs... I want the programmer to explore that
> possibility when he finishes the translator for the H5 engine.
>
> Trausti
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 4:09 AM, giant_klobasa_monster
> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > LOL
> >
> > so after I stole it effortlessly, you complain about the quality
> >
> > hahahaha
> >
> >
>

Thanks for sharing!
"What's New: February, 2012"
Must be a typo on your homepage.

Harry

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Scott Highton  wrote:
>
> VR friends,
>
> I have just posted an in-depth review of the Nikon D800 / D800e camera
> on the vrphotography.com web site.
>
> The extensive review, done from particular viewpoint of VR
> photographers, also includes discussion of Nodal Ninja pan heads and
> Fanotec poles in relation to their use with the D800.
>
> See:
http://www.vrphotography.com/data/pages/casestudies/nikond800review0213.html
>
> Please feel free to send your comments, and to forward the link to
> your social media and online communities.
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Scott
>
> Scott Highton
> Author, Virtual Reality Photography
> Web: http://www.vrphotography.com
>

Wow, what an in-depth article, really great!

just reading through it now. i see this:

"For example, by shooting with a Nikkor 16mm full frame fisheye lens, you can
capture an entire spherical view for effective stitching with six images (pan
60° between each) plus zenith (straight up) and nadir (straight down).  If you
shot these with a Nikon D3 (a 12 megapixel camera) at full resolution, your
stitched panorama winds up about 11,000 x 5,500 pixels (or 170MB).  Doing the
same thing with a D800 yields a stitched panorama roughly 19,800 x 9,900 pixels
(560MB).  While this is great for high resolution wall prints and enlargements,
it's impractically large for most interactive VR panoramas published on the
web."

but if you publish panos in multiresolution there is no issue with file size /
resolution, right?
(i know, not yet on iOS but that will be solved)


Jeffrey



--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Scott Highton  wrote:
>
> VR friends,
>
> I have just posted an in-depth review of the Nikon D800 / D800e camera
> on the vrphotography.com web site.
>
> The extensive review, done from particular viewpoint of VR
> photographers, also includes discussion of Nodal Ninja pan heads and
> Fanotec poles in relation to their use with the D800.
>
> See:
http://www.vrphotography.com/data/pages/casestudies/nikond800review0213.html
>
> Please feel free to send your comments, and to forward the link to
> your social media and online communities.
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Scott
>
> Scott Highton
> Author, Virtual Reality Photography
> Web: http://www.vrphotography.com
>

This is your chance if you want to create VR object movies from large objects:
we have a complete Kaidan Meridian C-60 rig for sale. Including turntable,
controller and Kaidan's Motion Control software. It's up and running in our
studio in South Germany, about 1 hour north of Stuttgart.
So if you are interested, please send me a private mail.
Here is a picture of the C-60:
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werden.
Bei Interesse bitte eine private Mail senden.

Michael Pook

No multires on iOS in sight, and you will be surprised what the number of files
generated with multires will do to your uploadspeed.

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "giant_klobasa_monster"  wrote:
>
>
> Wow, what an in-depth article, really great!
>
> just reading through it now. i see this:
>
> "For example, by shooting with a Nikkor 16mm full frame fisheye lens, you can
capture an entire spherical view for effective stitching with six images (pan
60° between each) plus zenith (straight up) and nadir (straight down).  If you
shot these with a Nikon D3 (a 12 megapixel camera) at full resolution, your
stitched panorama winds up about 11,000 x 5,500 pixels (or 170MB).  Doing the
same thing with a D800 yields a stitched panorama roughly 19,800 x 9,900 pixels
(560MB).  While this is great for high resolution wall prints and enlargements,
it's impractically large for most interactive VR panoramas published on the
web."
>
> but if you publish panos in multiresolution there is no issue with file size /
resolution, right?
> (i know, not yet on iOS but that will be solved)
>
>
> Jeffrey
>
>
>
> --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Scott Highton  wrote:
> >
> > VR friends,
> >
> > I have just posted an in-depth review of the Nikon D800 / D800e camera
> > on the vrphotography.com web site.
> >
> > The extensive review, done from particular viewpoint of VR
> > photographers, also includes discussion of Nodal Ninja pan heads and
> > Fanotec poles in relation to their use with the D800.
> >
> > See:
http://www.vrphotography.com/data/pages/casestudies/nikond800review0213.html
> >
> > Please feel free to send your comments, and to forward the link to
> > your social media and online communities.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > Scott Highton
> > Author, Virtual Reality Photography
> > Web: http://www.vrphotography.com
> >
>

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/interactive/2013/feb/01/view-from-top-sha\
rd-london-interactive

nice introduction and presentation

Peter

If you watch this video
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/video/2013/jan/11/london-shard-video-review you get
a good idea I think of what it is like as a viewing experience in real life. The
telescopes with augmented digital displays are interesting. When you get to the
top, open deck, in the video you can see that there are ladders going up even
higher and it is presumably up these, or during construction, that the panorama
was made.

PeterM

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, "panovrx"  wrote:
>
>
http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/interactive/2013/feb/01/view-from-top-sha\
rd-london-interactive
>
> nice introduction and presentation
>
> Peter
>