> Many of you will be interested in this new 7 minute online video.
> http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/129

It's a panorama viewer on steroids. I like it a lot.
They even offer a firefox plugin and it's smooth as can be.

They must have had a really smart approach on streaming imagery.

It does not give the same experience as a panorama viewer imho. A panorama
viewer can give you a real immersive feeling (provided your display is big
enough). The type of viewing of this viewer makes you much more eager to
start exploring a scene.

A thing it misses is an indication of the quality of a view. After zooming
in a few times in vain you might give up trying quickly.

serge.

Hi Fulvio

Thanks for taking the time to check my post.

If you are saying that you cannot see a panorama at all, it may be a
browser issue. To keep the code as simple as possibly, I only
included the code for Internet Explorer (tested on Windows).

Here is a version for other browsers that I have tested on Firefox
and Netscape on Windows...
http://87.194.33.114/tests/ptvwait/test_other.htm

Sorry, I probably should have included it in my original post.

Does this help?

Whichever browser I use, I get the same "wait" image problem.

Dave


--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Fulvio Senore <mailing@...> wrote:
>
> Your page is not using PTViewer at all.
>
> Fulvio Senore
>
> davidkammerling ha scritto:
> > Hi
> >
> > I hope someone can help me.
> >
> > The page below contains PTViewer with 3 panos linked by hotspots.
I
> > am using Fulvio Senore's ptviewer version 2.8.
> >
> > http://87.194.33.114/tests/ptvwait/default.htm
> >
> > (in this case, for simplicity, I have kept the object code on the
> > html page rather than using an external js file, and have only
used
> > Internet Explorer object code)
> >
> > To move between panos, you can either use the hotspots, the
dropdown
> > box or the buttons. All three panos have a "wait" image.
> >
> > I'm having a problem that occurs only when a web visitor has Java
> > Runtime 6.0 or higher. Below 6.0 and there is no problem.
> >
> > >From 6.0 and up, if a web visitor uses the dropdown, or one of
the
> > buttons, the wait image either completely fails to appear, or
worse,
> > only a portion of it appears. If they use one of the hotspots
there
> > doesn't seem to be a problem.
> >
> > Whichever navigation method you choose, the new pano is started
by
> > Javascript using the following code:
> >
> > function ChangePano(x)
> > {document.getElementById("ptvplayer").newPanoFromList(x);}
> >
> > The part of the ptviewer code for what to do when a hotspot is
> > clicked looks like:
> >
> > u'javascript:ChangePano(1)'
> >
> >
> > So, to summarise, even though all 3 navigation methods use the
same
> > Javascript code, in Java 6.0 and up clicking a hotspot causes no
> > problems, but using the dropdown or buttons causes problems with
> > the "wait" image. Below 6.0 and all 3 navigation methods cause no
> > issues with the "wait" image.
> >
> > Has anyone got any ideas of what is going on, or any suggestions
of
> > any modifications that I could use that will get round this
problem?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

No, I looked at the html code and your page was not using ptviewer. Now
you have changed it, but the html still looks very strange. You can try
using a more "normal" code, with the <applet> tag.

Fulvio Senore

davidkammerling ha scritto:
> Hi Fulvio
>
> Thanks for taking the time to check my post.
>
> If you are saying that you cannot see a panorama at all, it may be a
> browser issue. To keep the code as simple as possibly, I only
> included the code for Internet Explorer (tested on Windows).
>
> Here is a version for other browsers that I have tested on Firefox
> and Netscape on Windows...
> http://87.194.33.114/tests/ptvwait/test_other.htm
>
> Sorry, I probably should have included it in my original post.
>
> Does this help?
>
> Whichever browser I use, I get the same "wait" image problem.
>
> Dave
>
>
> --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Fulvio Senore <mailing@...> wrote:
>
>> Your page is not using PTViewer at all.
>>
>> Fulvio Senore
>>
>> davidkammerling ha scritto:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I hope someone can help me.
>>>
>>> The page below contains PTViewer with 3 panos linked by hotspots.
>>>
> I
>
>>> am using Fulvio Senore's ptviewer version 2.8.
>>>
>>> http://87.194.33.114/tests/ptvwait/default.htm
>>>
>>> (in this case, for simplicity, I have kept the object code on the
>>> html page rather than using an external js file, and have only
>>>
> used
>
>>> Internet Explorer object code)
>>>
>>> To move between panos, you can either use the hotspots, the
>>>
> dropdown
>
>>> box or the buttons. All three panos have a "wait" image.
>>>
>>> I'm having a problem that occurs only when a web visitor has Java
>>> Runtime 6.0 or higher. Below 6.0 and there is no problem.
>>>
>>> >From 6.0 and up, if a web visitor uses the dropdown, or one of
>>>
> the
>
>>> buttons, the wait image either completely fails to appear, or
>>>
> worse,
>
>>> only a portion of it appears. If they use one of the hotspots
>>>
> there
>
>>> doesn't seem to be a problem.
>>>
>>> Whichever navigation method you choose, the new pano is started
>>>
> by
>
>>> Javascript using the following code:
>>>
>>> function ChangePano(x)
>>> {document.getElementById("ptvplayer").newPanoFromList(x);}
>>>
>>> The part of the ptviewer code for what to do when a hotspot is
>>> clicked looks like:
>>>
>>> u'javascript:ChangePano(1)'
>>>
>>>
>>> So, to summarise, even though all 3 navigation methods use the
>>>
> same
>
>>> Javascript code, in Java 6.0 and up clicking a hotspot causes no
>>> problems, but using the dropdown or buttons causes problems with
>>> the "wait" image. Below 6.0 and all 3 navigation methods cause no
>>> issues with the "wait" image.
>>>
>>> Has anyone got any ideas of what is going on, or any suggestions
>>>
> of
>
>>> any modifications that I could use that will get round this
>>>
> problem?
>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
>

Yesterday I received from a friend a link for an audio clip of a
"virtual haircut" that demonstrates some great immersive effects. The
experience was so pleasant and so impressive that I would love to share
with you guys. My apologise for those who don't like OT messages... give
it a try, you will enjoy it! :-)

A pair of headphones is mandatory for the experience - using speakers
will spoil it. Use the better headphones you can.

Put on the headphones, set up a decent volume (a slightly higher volume
will make it more effective), then just hit the play button. Keeping the
eyes closed is mandatory too! The beginning is not extraordinary, but
expect some wild sensations latter on. It's a 5 min ride.

http://david-heron.me.uk/blog/2007/04/08/virtual-barbershop/

I have no idea of what's the trick for recording such effects... but I
wonder how would it feel to have this kind of enviromental sounds within
panoramas!

Hope you enjoy it!

Fabio.

hey folks -

Is there any program/plugin/component/etc that will generate a panorama
into a standalone .swf? The only one I've come across is here:
http://www.flashloaded.com/flashcomponents/360panviewerpro/ & the
distortion effect is terrible. Ideally I'd love something that operates
as Immervision's pure player for flash, but I need an interactive .swf
by itself as the end result; auto-rotation and a built-in button to
launch it into a separate full-screen mode would be fantastic.

is there anything out there that fits the bill?

thanks much,
scott

For PC, see http://www.pano2qtvr.com/features.php and check out the
features of the software with Flash pack.

A few examples of some VRs that I've done in Flash can be found here:
http://tinyurl.com/2t465k

Hoyle


--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, scott pruett <stuff@...> wrote:
>
> hey folks -
>
> Is there any program/plugin/component/etc that will generate a panorama
> into a standalone .swf? The only one I've come across is here:
> http://www.flashloaded.com/flashcomponents/360panviewerpro/ & the
> distortion effect is terrible. Ideally I'd love something that operates
> as Immervision's pure player for flash, but I need an interactive .swf
> by itself as the end result; auto-rotation and a built-in button to
> launch it into a separate full-screen mode would be fantastic.
>
> is there anything out there that fits the bill?
>
> thanks much,
> scott
>

great, thanks... I'm looking into it...

best, scott


On Friday, June 1, 2007, at 03:58  pm, hoylekoontz wrote:

> For PC, see http://www.pano2qtvr.com/features.php and check out the
> features of the software with Flash pack.
>
> A few examples of some VRs that I've done in Flash can be found here:
> http://tinyurl.com/2t465k
>
> Hoyle
>
> --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, scott pruett <stuff@...> wrote:
> >
> > hey folks -
> >
> > Is there any program/plugin/component/etc that will generate a
> panorama
> > into a standalone .swf? The only one I've come across is here:
> > http://www.flashloaded.com/flashcomponents/360panviewerpro/ & the
> > distortion effect is terrible. Ideally I'd love something that
> operates
> > as Immervision's pure player for flash, but I need an interactive
> .swf
> > by itself as the end result; auto-rotation and a built-in button to
> > launch it into a separate full-screen mode would be fantastic.
> >
> > is there anything out there that fits the bill?
> >
> > thanks much,
> > scott
> >
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0706/07060101pentax50thdslr.asp
God, isn't it COOL!?!?
:-O
Really Beautyful, Why don't they DO them like that again??
I'd pay for it!!!!

When I saw the subject I thought you were talking about this
one:<http://www.antenando.com.br/tecnologia/arquivo/camera-conceito-nikon-coolpi\
x-360-para-fotos-panoramicas>
(sorry, in portuguese - but certainly there is another article in
english about it).
But yes, the Pentax is a jewel.
Regards,
Rodolpho Pajuaba

Luca Vascon escreveu:
> http://www.dpreview.com/news/0706/07060101pentax50thdslr.asp
> God, isn't it COOL!?!?
> :-O
> Really Beautyful, Why don't they DO them like that again??
> I'd pay for it!!!!
>
>

Luca Vascon wrote:
> http://www.dpreview.com/news/0706/07060101pentax50thdslr.asp
> God, isn't it COOL!?!?

Luca, it's way cool but you can't possibly have any room left on your
shelves.

> :-O
> Really Beautyful, Why don't they DO them like that again??
> I'd pay for it!!!!





Pat Swovelin
Cool Guy @ Large

> Yesterday I received from a friend a link for an audio clip of a
> "virtual haircut" that demonstrates some great immersive effects.
> http://david-heron.me.uk/blog/2007/04/08/virtual-barbershop/

delightful!

I had the experience in Sega world London before. Some virtual peg legged
creep was walking circles around me while I was sitting in a dark room.
They even matched the movement of the floorboard under my feat with the
motion of the virtual person.

Soundwise this works at least as good! Thx for the link..

Serge.

Hi Fabio,
Thanks for the link.

> I have no idea of what's the trick for recording such effects...

No effects. Binaural stereo sound. 2 micro phones in each ear of a dummy
head, really. The fellow tells his story and runs around it.
In panoramas you can wire this sound directional in Quicktime. Cubic
Connector from Clickheredesign.com is the software (for Mac) to get it
done in no time. My hero in this technology is Andrew Nemeth from
Australia. I bought his VRCD in 2003 when i got seriously infected by the
VRbug. His VR's with sound are exemplars.
http://www.4020.net/

Cheers, Milko


--
Milko Amorth
360° Immersive Imaging
Photographic Virtual Reality
VRCanada.ca
604.561.5101
Skype me @ vrdundee
Member of IVRPA.org
Contributor to the World Wide Panorama Project

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/internet/06/01/google.candid.camera.ap/index.html




Pat Swovelin
Cool Guy @ Large

> God, isn't it COOL!?!?
> :-O
> Really Beautyful, Why don't they DO them like that again??
> I'd pay for it!!!!

Luca, you really need a girlfriend or wife to take you away from this
now and again. This camera reminds me of the 1950's vacation well
equipped tourist.

It's OK, ...time to come back to 2007 :)

We all have our desires.

Robert

There is also "flash panorama player" with some fancy special effects, some
quite usefull:
http://flashpanoramas.com/blog/

Carel Struycken
--
View this message in context:
http://www.nabble.com/pano-as-standalone-.swf---tf3854149.html#a10923786
Sent from the PanoToolsNG mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

yup, but that won't operate as a standalone .swf file. ;)

regardless, I've been looking into it already.

thanks,
scott

On Friday, June 1, 2007, at 11:49  pm, Carel wrote:

>
> There is also "flash panorama player" with some fancy special effects,
> some
> quite usefull:
> http://flashpanoramas.com/blog/
>
> Carel Struycken


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

This got me thinking of one of my old favorite tunes: "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida"
by Iron Butterfly.
The drum-solo on the 17:05 minute long LP-version (not the single-version)
gives a really amazing feeling of beeing in a 3D soundspaces when you use
headphones.
And it was done in "low tech" 1968 ;-)

- Flemming

Luca Vascon schrieb:
> http://www.dpreview.com/news/0706/07060101pentax50thdslr.asp
> God, isn't it COOL!?!?
> :-O
> Really Beautyful, Why don't they DO them like that again??
> I'd pay for it!!!!
>
>
I have an old Spotmatic (& ES II) at home, including a set of classic
(classy!) lenses. I'd love to have such a camera with the same look,
feel & functionality but with a digital sensor and i know there are a
lot of people out there who would also love this camera.
Why is - e.g. - Nikon still selling the FM10 at an extraordinary price
if they wouldn't see a market for that camera?
http://nikonimaging.com/global/products/filmcamera/slr/1995-1999/fm10/index.htm

Best regards
Bernhard

:-(
You are true, Pat!!!

Pat Swovelin ha scritto:
> Luca Vascon wrote:
>
>> http://www.dpreview.com/news/0706/07060101pentax50thdslr.asp
>> God, isn't it COOL!?!?
>>
>
> Luca, it's way cool but you can't possibly have any room left on your
> shelves.
>
>
>> :-O
>> Really Beautyful, Why don't they DO them like that again??
>> I'd pay for it!!!!
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> Pat Swovelin
> Cool Guy @ Large
>
>
>

Si lembras eu falo Portugués... Entao nao hà problema niuno.
:-)


Pajuaba Gmail ha scritto:
> When I saw the subject I thought you were talking about this
>
one:<http://www.antenando.com.br/tecnologia/arquivo/camera-conceito-nikon-coolpi\
x-360-para-fotos-panoramicas>
> (sorry, in portuguese - but certainly there is another article in
> english about it).
> But yes, the Pentax is a jewel.
> Regards,
> Rodolpho Pajuaba
>
> Luca Vascon escreveu:
>
>> http://www.dpreview.com/news/0706/07060101pentax50thdslr.asp
>> God, isn't it COOL!?!?
>> :-O
>> Really Beautyful, Why don't they DO them like that again??
>> I'd pay for it!!!!
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

this is VERY IT, for me at last.

Fabio Bustamante ha scritto:
>
> Yesterday I received from a friend a link for an audio clip of a
> "virtual haircut" that demonstrates some great immersive effects. The
> experience was so pleasant and so impressive that I would love to share
> with you guys. My apologise for those who don't like OT messages... give
> it a try, you will enjoy it! :-)
>
> A pair of headphones is mandatory for the experience - using speakers
> will spoil it. Use the better headphones you can.
>
> Put on the headphones, set up a decent volume (a slightly higher volume
> will make it more effective), then just hit the play button. Keeping the
> eyes closed is mandatory too! The beginning is not extraordinary, but
> expect some wild sensations latter on. It's a 5 min ride.
>
> http://david-heron.me.uk/blog/2007/04/08/virtual-barbershop/
> <http://david-heron.me.uk/blog/2007/04/08/virtual-barbershop/>
>
> I have no idea of what's the trick for recording such effects... but I
> wonder how would it feel to have this kind of enviromental sounds within
> panoramas!
>
> Hope you enjoy it!
>
> Fabio.
>
>

ahemmm...
I go on vacation with a Rolleiflex 2.8 F 1962...
WHAT IS WRONG???
:-)

robert_harshman ha scritto:
>
> > God, isn't it COOL!?!?
> > :-O
> > Really Beautyful, Why don't they DO them like that again??
> > I'd pay for it!!!!
>
> Luca, you really need a girlfriend or wife to take you away from this
> now and again. This camera reminds me of the 1950's vacation well
> equipped tourist.
>
> It's OK, ...time to come back to 2007 :)
>
> We all have our desires.
>
> Robert
>
>

Remember the Minolta SRT101??  I still have mine which is in mint condition. I
just cannot remember
how to use film!! 


> http://www.dpreview.com/news/0706/07060101pentax50thdslr.asp God,
> isn't it COOL!?!? :-O
> Really Beautyful, Why don't they DO them like that again?? I'd pay
> for it!!!!
>
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Hi, all:

I'm trying to bring in the nadir and zenith images into PTGui on a
handheld pano shot with Canon 5D and Sigma 8mm. This is my first time
using full circular images.

Try as I might, I can't get my initial image parameters set correctly
for Z or N.

  In my usual workflow (Nikon DSLR, Sigma8mm), all I do is set pitch at
+/- 90 degrees for Z and N and adjust yaw. They line up nicely in the
Panorama Editor and all is well.

With the Canon images, Z and N are very distorted in the editor. I can
adjust yaw, but  pitch settings don't seem to work correctly.

Is there something I'm missing here?

I'm at a NPPA (National Press Photographers Association) Multimedia
Immersion seminar, shooting and demonstrating VR. I'd really like to
get this pano done today if at all possible. http://www.nppasummit.org
if you want to take a look. The students' projects will be posted
beginning later today.

Thanks all... hope to see you in Berkeley in a few days.

Best regards,
Gary

--
Gary O'Brien
Photographer | Photo Editor
The Charlotte Observer
http://www.charlotte.com

Hi Flemming,

> "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida"
> by Iron Butterfly.
What a synergy, Flemming. Just when i finished writing this I thought of
this very song! I looked it up on youtube.com and found lots of samples.

Cheers, Milko


--
Milko Amorth
360° Immersive Imaging
Photographic Virtual Reality
VRCanada.ca
604.561.5101
Skype me @ vrdundee
Member of IVRPA.org
Contributor to the World Wide Panorama Project

Hi Gary,

> Is there something I'm missing here?
Most likley the circular crop setting. Check the crop tab. For Z and N you
wont need full fov. Just size it down to what you need, and do your
regular pitches up and down. It should map ok.

Cheers, Milko



--
Milko Amorth
360° Immersive Imaging
Photographic Virtual Reality
VRCanada.ca
604.561.5101
Skype me @ vrdundee
Member of IVRPA.org
Contributor to the World Wide Panorama Project

Kyle Goodnight wrote:
> Remember the Minolta SRT101?? I still have mine which is in mint
> condition. I just cannot remember
> how to use film!! 


That's the stuff with the holes in the sides, right?      =8^)

>> http://www.dpreview.com/news/0706/07060101pentax50thdslr.asp God,
>> isn't it COOL!?!? :-O
>> Really Beautyful, Why don't they DO them like that again?? I'd pay
>> for it!!!!




Pat Swovelin
Cool Guy @ Large

Hi Fulvio

Sorry for the confusion. The code looks different as I was trying to
use XHTML compliant methods of embedding the applet.

But here is a version using the old style <applet></applet> method...

http://87.194.33.114/tests/ptvwait/test_applet.htm

This code still produces the same "wait" image problem.

Any ideas?

Dave



--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Fulvio Senore <mailing@...> wrote:
>
> No, I looked at the html code and your page was not using ptviewer.
Now
> you have changed it, but the html still looks very strange. You can
try
> using a more "normal" code, with the <applet> tag.
>
> Fulvio Senore
>
> davidkammerling ha scritto:
> > Hi Fulvio
> >
> > Thanks for taking the time to check my post.
> >
> > If you are saying that you cannot see a panorama at all, it may
be a
> > browser issue. To keep the code as simple as possibly, I only
> > included the code for Internet Explorer (tested on Windows).
> >
> > Here is a version for other browsers that I have tested on
Firefox
> > and Netscape on Windows...
> > http://87.194.33.114/tests/ptvwait/test_other.htm
> >
> > Sorry, I probably should have included it in my original post.
> >
> > Does this help?
> >
> > Whichever browser I use, I get the same "wait" image problem.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > --- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Fulvio Senore <mailing@>
wrote:
> >
> >> Your page is not using PTViewer at all.
> >>
> >> Fulvio Senore
> >>
> >> davidkammerling ha scritto:
> >>
> >>> Hi
> >>>
> >>> I hope someone can help me.
> >>>
> >>> The page below contains PTViewer with 3 panos linked by
hotspots.
> >>>
> > I
> >
> >>> am using Fulvio Senore's ptviewer version 2.8.
> >>>
> >>> http://87.194.33.114/tests/ptvwait/default.htm
> >>>
> >>> (in this case, for simplicity, I have kept the object code on
the
> >>> html page rather than using an external js file, and have only
> >>>
> > used
> >
> >>> Internet Explorer object code)
> >>>
> >>> To move between panos, you can either use the hotspots, the
> >>>
> > dropdown
> >
> >>> box or the buttons. All three panos have a "wait" image.
> >>>
> >>> I'm having a problem that occurs only when a web visitor has
Java
> >>> Runtime 6.0 or higher. Below 6.0 and there is no problem.
> >>>
> >>> >From 6.0 and up, if a web visitor uses the dropdown, or one of
> >>>
> > the
> >
> >>> buttons, the wait image either completely fails to appear, or
> >>>
> > worse,
> >
> >>> only a portion of it appears. If they use one of the hotspots
> >>>
> > there
> >
> >>> doesn't seem to be a problem.
> >>>
> >>> Whichever navigation method you choose, the new pano is started
> >>>
> > by
> >
> >>> Javascript using the following code:
> >>>
> >>> function ChangePano(x)
> >>> {document.getElementById("ptvplayer").newPanoFromList(x);}
> >>>
> >>> The part of the ptviewer code for what to do when a hotspot is
> >>> clicked looks like:
> >>>
> >>> u'javascript:ChangePano(1)'
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> So, to summarise, even though all 3 navigation methods use the
> >>>
> > same
> >
> >>> Javascript code, in Java 6.0 and up clicking a hotspot causes
no
> >>> problems, but using the dropdown or buttons causes problems
with
> >>> the "wait" image. Below 6.0 and all 3 navigation methods cause
no
> >>> issues with the "wait" image.
> >>>
> >>> Has anyone got any ideas of what is going on, or any
suggestions
> >>>
> > of
> >
> >>> any modifications that I could use that will get round this
> >>>
> > problem?
> >
> >>> Thanks
> >>>
> >>> Dave
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

--- In PanoToolsNG@yahoogroups.com, Kyle Goodnight <krgood@...> wrote:
>
> Remember the Minolta SRT101??  I still have mine which is in mint
condition. I just cannot remember
  how to use film!! 


That explain the mint condition :-)

If the crop circle has been set identically on all the images, then
they will all be remapped (warped) in the same manner.  Use the "Apply
to all images" button on the Crop tab to set the same crop circle on
all images.  In the case of the nadir and zenith, beware of upside down
images that can result from bogus auto rotation sensor values.  If you
choose to have smaller crop circles for the zenith and/or nadir, then
you must select individual lens parameters for those images.

John