While we've got the messages flowing I thought I'd just add my 2 cents here, too. To me, these shicras seem like many of the other coarse looped or knotted bags for transport which I've seen in archaeological and ethnographic collections in North America. Such bags, which I tend to think of as an expedient technology (as compared with finer knotted or knotless bags made of twisted cordage), are ubiquitous in the Southwest for transporting pots, corn and sundry other goods, but are also not uncommon in Great Basin assemblages and, while preservation is poorer in CA, I know of a at least one similar example identified as an acorn dough carrier.
Given what little I know of these Andean examples, they almost seem to be somewhat specialized varieites used for construction. I'll be interested to hear what sort of variability, if much, you find in these
Randy. Do keep us posted!
Best, Ed
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--- On Wed, 3/25/09, notrohte <notrohte@...> wrote:
From: notrohte <notrohte@...> Subject: [Perishable_Technology] Re: shicra query To: Perishable_Technology@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 8:28 PM
I realize that this "a bit" to the north, but these are very similiar in construction to items from the Ozark Bluff Shelters in NW Arkansas. Samual Dellinger referred to them as baby cradles, although this is debatable, but there is a nice image and discussion of their construction (the original analysis was done by Gene Weltfish according to her notes and hand-drawn illustrations in the University of Arkansas's archive). Dellinger's origional publication is available through JSTOR...1936 Dellinger, S.C. "Baby Cradles of the Ozark Bluffdwellers" American Antiquity 1 (3): 197-214...I am working with the collection now in my dissertation. Here in the Ozarks these seem to have made with tall prairie grasses(Andropogon type) with bark strap (Dirca palustris) re-reinforcements.
Liz Horton
--- In Perishable_Technolo gy@yahoogroups. com, "wrhaas2003" <wrhaas@...> wrote:
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> Hey everybody,
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> I'm trying to get some information on the construction and materials of shicra--looped bags from the Andean Archaic used for transporting stone for mound construction. I've only been able to find the most general treatments in the literature. Basically, all I know is that they're looped, and made from "minimally processed sedges or reeds." Do any of you have any references, images, or other info that might help?
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> Here's a low-res web image: http://www.museoama no.com/jp/ images/excava/ 2-02.jpg
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> And here's a pdf with an image and basic description (page 402): http://www.springer link.com/ content/w18333r8 35317727/ fulltext. pdf
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> Thanks,
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> Randy Haas
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Hey everybody, I'm trying to get some information on the construction and materials of shicra--looped bags from the Andean Archaic used for transporting stone...
It's $34 to purchase the pdf so I can't look at it, but the low-res image looks like a basic looped netting with extra twists. Are you looking for information...
Hi Randy, Google pulls up a couple of images, best ones below: http://www.nazcamystery.com/images/caral.39.jpg http://www.daylife.com/photo/06AS5pA8seauk ...
When I copied this image link, ... I meant to grab this one: http://www.nazcamystery.com/images/caral.24.jpg which has a closer photo of the fill rocks and...
Thanks everyone for your quick responses! Lynn, great image...I hadn't come across that one before. I'll look into some of the references that were suggested...
I realize that this "a bit" to the north, but these are very similiar in construction to items from the Ozark Bluff Shelters in NW Arkansas. Samual Dellinger...
While we've got the messages flowing I thought I'd just add my 2 cents here, too. To me, these shicras seem like many of the other coarse looped or knotted...
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