...... Original Message .......
On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:32:02 +1000 (EST) "Voytek Eymont" <voytek@...>
wrote:
>Dan Bricklin's 'Demo' comes back to memory....
>
>--
>Voytek
>
>
Huh?

Jochen

Jochen Konietzko wrote:
> ...... Original Message .......
> On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:32:02 +1000 (EST) "Voytek Eymont" <voytek@...>
> wrote:
>
>> Dan Bricklin's 'Demo' comes back to memory....
>>
>> --
>> Voytek
>>
>>
>>
> Huh?
>
> Jochen
>
>
http://www.bricklin.com/chiapaint.htm

:-)

--
Francesco Peeters
I still love my Palm T3, but with a Windows smartphone *and* an iPod
Touch, I no longer use it!
Palm has let us down just one to many times!

I was going to say, let's wait until the device is actually available and we can
get a look at it before we get too excited. Demos are designed by clever
marketing departments to build hype, not explain reality.
  Bert Latamore
IT Journalist, Report Writer and Book Doctor
From tweets and blogs to white papers and books:
You provide the information; I craft the words.




________________________________
From: Voytek Eymont <voytek@...>
To: Pimlical@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 2:32:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Pimlical] Re: Pocketmod



<quote who="CESDewar" >
> There is an upcoming hand held (from Microsoft) that appears to be the
> dream gadget:

> Things that are not real often look cool ;)
>
>
> I always like demos like this. Experienced programmers watching this demo
>  realize that there are several things that simply cannot possibly work
> they way they are pictured.

Dan Bricklin's 'Demo' comes back to memory....

--
Voytek




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<quote who="Jochen Konietzko">

> ...... Original Message .......
> On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:32:02 +1000 (EST) "Voytek Eymont"
> <voytek@...>
> wrote:
>
>> Dan Bricklin's 'Demo' comes back to memory....

> Huh?

Demo was an application for prototyping/demoing software, essentially, a
slide show with effects; you could create an impressive software app that
did nothing in reality, but had realistic appearance, it was a DOS app.

in the demo of 'Demo'  the screen said like 'saving data', at the same
time, the floppy drive light lit up, and, IIRC, even the floppy drive
started spinning


--
Voytek

lightworker8 wrote:
> This is exactly what I was thinking would work really well. I just
> haven't figured out how to change the Pimlical views I need into
> Pocketmod format.

I could make a Pocketmod from an 8 page .odt file by saving it as pdf
and then running a conversion program in Linux to make rearrange the
pages to Pocketmod.  The problem is that I don't see any export feature
on Pimlical.

Is there an export feature planned.  For example, a view of the weeks
schedule can be printed, but will we be able to just export that as a
list?  Same thing for Tasks?

I imagine that ThinkingRock's feature is doing something like that.  You
build the 8 pages by selecting what you want on each and then it grinds
for a while to produce it.

Thanks,
Anita

Although the appearance has changed slightly over time, when Pimlical is run
at less than full screen (say 3/4 of the screen width and 3/4 height) and
all the information for a day won't fit in the window, the information is
visually truncated rather than having some scrolling mechanism available.

Pimlical should run and look fine down to about 800x600  - so we need to
know WHAT size you are trying to display it at. Second, take some screen
shots and send it to SWSupport@... as it is almost
impossible to visualize what you might be seeing from a description.

There have been no reports of any issues relating to scroll bars in any
recent release, other than the need to tweak that preference:

VerticalScrollbarThreshhold = (int 0-20) 2    // Specifies a threshhold or
"fudge factor" for display drivers spuriously displaying a vertical scroll
bar (try increasing this value a bit if you see spurious, vertical scroll
bars in the views - Looks like a value of 4 is needed if you use Windows
Classic Theme for example).

Which caters to bugs in some video drivers/conflicts with JVM.

Cheers!
CESD, Pimlico Software, Inc.
.    .    .

CESD,

Can there a way to have Pref to allow/force 'Today' when Starting and after a
Hotsync?

I have my Default Filter, as well as others, set to 'No Date Rule'.  This works
as desired for Appts, etc.  However, because of this - or maybe for other
reasons, when Pimlical is started and after a Hotsync the date displayed in Day
View is not today.

Thanks
Al

Anita Lewis wrote:

> I could make a Pocketmod from an 8 page .odt file by saving it as pdf
> and then running a conversion program in Linux to make rearrange the
> pages to Pocketmod.  The problem is that I don't see any export feature
> on Pimlical.
>
> Is there an export feature planned.  For example, a view of the weeks
> schedule can be printed, but will we be able to just export that as a
> list?  Same thing for Tasks?

Ok, I did read (some of) the fine manual or at least searched on
"export" and found where I can bring up a view and then do a find on it
for either appointments or tasks or default.  Then I can export this
(currently with the PimlicalExportTemplate).  I should be able to make a
template to my liking.  This is perfect, because I can do Tasks and
Appointments separately.

Now while I wait for the Linux version, I can read the whole manual.
There is a lot hidden under that pretty GUI!

Thanks for the great job so far!

Anita

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:29 AM, albenzing <albenzing@...> wrote:

> CESD,
>
> Can there a way to have Pref to allow/force 'Today' when Starting and after
> a Hotsync?
>
> I have my Default Filter, as well as others, set to 'No Date Rule'.  This
> works as desired for Appts, etc.  However, because of this - or maybe for
> other reasons, when Pimlical is started and after a Hotsync the date
> displayed in Day View is not today.
>
>
Change the date rule to "Days from Today:" 0

best,
Larry
--
Larry Finch

N 40° 53' 47"
W 74° 03' 56"


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This solved the problem for me along with \dbfixit to cleanup my Palm T3 so it
would sync the datebook again without locking up.  I had disable timezone
handling a couple of weeks ago when I was back east and had to change my PC
timezone and all my appointments move.  I turned it off till I could get in to
clean up the timezone settings and appointments. It never occured to me to turn
it back on.

Thanks for the quick answer CESD.


--- In Pimlical@yahoogroups.com, "CESDewar" <dewar@...> wrote:
>
> [Calude wrote:]
> >>somehow glad I'm not alone :)
> I have identified the problem as a preferences problem.
> dont know what in the prefs does this and why.
> .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .
> .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .
> The problem is caused by DISABLING Timezone handling in preferences, BUT
> while having items that are in explicit timezones. Next release will
> sidestep this error message, although obviously if you have events slotted
> in different timezones, you would presumably want to enable timezone
> handling or they would not be displayed at the correct time. For now,
> trivial workaround is to re-enable timezones (there's really no earthly
> reason to disable them except perhaps for performance reasons (although I
> doubt that would make the slightest visible difference).
>
> If you look at your preferences, you will see:
> ===============================================================
> HomeTimeZone = (timezone) +01:00B West Europe, Paris, Rome, Berlin, Madrid
> // Defines the home time zone. Items which have no explicit timezone
> assigned to them are assumed to be in this timezones
>
> CurrentTimeZone = (timezone) +01:00B West Europe, Paris, Rome, Berlin,
> Madrid        // Defines the current time zones. As a person moves from one
> timezone to another, this is the preference setting that gets changed.
>
> CreateTimeZone = (timezone) Home Timezone        // Defines the default
> timezone in which new items will be created. Nofmrally this is the same as
> the current time zone but can be set to a different, explicit value
>
> IncludeTimeZoneSupport = (boolean) false        // If true, timezone support
> is enabled in
> ===============================================================
>
> Either set all three timezones to a null string OR set the
> IncludeTimezoneSupport preference to true.
>
> Cheers!
> CESD, Pimlico Software, Inc.
> .    .    .
>

Thanks Larry - Now I remember that I used to have it set that way - somehow it
got lost along the way.  It works fine now.

Al

--- In Pimlical@yahoogroups.com, Larry Finch <finches@...> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:29 AM, albenzing <albenzing@...> wrote:
>
> > CESD,
> >
> > Can there a way to have Pref to allow/force 'Today' when Starting and after
> > a Hotsync?
> >
> > I have my Default Filter, as well as others, set to 'No Date Rule'.  This
> > works as desired for Appts, etc.  However, because of this - or maybe for
> > other reasons, when Pimlical is started and after a Hotsync the date
> > displayed in Day View is not today.
> >
> >
> Change the date rule to "Days from Today:" 0
>
> best,
> Larry
> --
> Larry Finch
>
> N 40° 53' 47"
> W 74° 03' 56"
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Yes, CESD, I agree:

>Things that are not real often look cool ;)
>

and it's the job of marketing departments and graphic designers to make the
unreal look cool and be the bane of engineers (and often users). I too, have my
doubts about this gadget, but this would be the ideal set-up for someone like
me. Since such a set-up is not yet available, I must have hope.

By the way, and I hope this isn't disturbing <G>, but it was quite easy to
picture Pimlical running on that amazing tablet. There could be a trust fund for
gorillas in the future if such a thing were to be released, worked properly, and
sold in any great number.

For the time being, back to the Centro, Zire, and Pimlical export to Pocketmod
solution.

LW

--- In Pimlical@yahoogroups.com, "CESDewar" <dewar@...> wrote:
>
> There is an upcoming hand held (from Microsoft) that appears to be the
> dream gadget:
> http://gizmodo.com/5369493/leaked-courier-video-shows-how-well-actually-use-it
>
> After all these years of despising Microsoft, I can't believe I've just
> promoted a Microsoft product that hasn't even been released yet. I must be
> desperate. But boy, does this tablet thing look cool!
> ===============================================================
>
> Things that are not real often look cool ;)
>
> I always like demos like this. Experienced programmers watching this demo
> realize that there are several things that simply cannot possibly work they
> way they are pictured. There are several actions which clearly do not have
> enough specificity to cause the displayed results. So part of the reason it
> looks so cool is that some of things shown are impossible -- so nothing like
> that has ever been done before (and won't be done in the future either<g>).
>
> When you are dealing with animations, ANYTHING is possible, but when you
> have to write code to actually IMPLEMENT what some graphic designers are
> getting excited about....well...reality sets in <g>. But of course, there
> are advantages in doing this because programmers are often constrained
> idea-wise by the realization that something would be so horribly difficult
> to implement that they don't even really want to consider it as something
> that might be "desirable" (!).
>
> Cheers!
> CESD, Pimlico Software, Inc.
> .    .    .
>

>>While it is important that the address display in the right-hand pane,
>>regardless of whether in Work or Home, it is also important that it be in
>>the correct (Work or Home) slot when Editing. It appears that all of my
>>entries from DateBk6 end up as Work addressess in Pimlical (when Editing a
>>Contact).
Conversely, if I Sync with Outlook (Handheld Overwrites Desktop) these are
treated as Home addressess.
.    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .
.    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .
Unfortunately, this is not a resolvable problem :(

The Palm conduits do *not* preserve this information in the Access database
correctly. I set a contact in my handheld to HOME for the address, but it
still shows up in the Access database on the desktop as Work, AND the Palm
Desktop displays it as WORK as well. Finally, there ARE three address label
fields, but there's a wretched bug in Palm's conduit as the Address label
fields were not set up correctly by the conduit :(

Next, I set the address conduit so the desktop overwrites the handheld and
sure enough, the address was back in the WORK Slot - all trace of it ever
having been designated as Home was lost at that point.

Finally, I then manually reset the Address fields to what I would guess to
be the correct values that the conduit should have set, and synced again
with desktop overwriting handheld, and VOILA! the handheld properly
displayed it as a HOME address. That confirmed the bug in palm's conduit.

So no luck on that one. If Palm fixed the bug in their conduit, it would be
do-able..

Cheers!
CESD, Pimlico Software, Inc.
.    .    .

albenzing wrote:
> CESD,
>
> Can there a way to have Pref to allow/force 'Today' when Starting and
> after a Hotsync?
>
> I have my Default Filter, as well as others, set to 'No Date Rule'.
> This works as desired for Appts, etc.  However, because of this - or
> maybe for other reasons, when Pimlical is started and after a Hotsync
> the date displayed in Day View is not today.

I don't see how you could do this without setting up a filter with a
date rule of today and setting that as your starting filter. And how
else would you force it since the first thing Pimlical looks for when
opening is what filter you want to start with and goes by its date rule.

But then again, I'm not CESD.

BN

>I have attached a video which shows I think what OP is seeing. I don't
> see it as a problem as there has to be some minimum size at which things
> work. If he'd just stretch sideways a bit I think he'd find his
> scrollbar. He should try it on a 4" screen!

Except I'm not sure what the significance of this is. You can do the same
thing in Word, or Excel, or just about any windows application ever written.
I can take MS Word and make it 20 pixels high - completely useless, but
there's nothing to stop me doing that (and why should there be if no harm is
done?).

There IS a minimum size below which it makes little sense to minimize
further, but since it does no harm, windows apps typically let you do that
(as does Pimlical). I see little reason to add piles of code in every dialog
and screen to make sure that someone does not minimize it too far ;)

Cheers!
CESD, Pimlico Software, Inc.
.    .    .

CESDewar wrote:
>> I have attached a video which shows I think what OP is seeing. I don't
>> see it as a problem as there has to be some minimum size at which things
>> work. If he'd just stretch sideways a bit I think he'd find his
>> scrollbar. He should try it on a 4" screen!
>
> Except I'm not sure what the significance of this is. You can do the same
> thing in Word, or Excel, or just about any windows application ever written.
> I can take MS Word and make it 20 pixels high - completely useless, but
> there's nothing to stop me doing that (and why should there be if no harm is
> done?).
>
> There IS a minimum size below which it makes little sense to minimize
> further, but since it does no harm, windows apps typically let you do that
> (as does Pimlical). I see little reason to add piles of code in every dialog
> and screen to make sure that someone does not minimize it too far ;)

That was the point.. I think if OP would move the side out a bit he
would see the scroll bar. That is to say, one does not have to move to
FULL Screen to see the scroll bar, merely move the right edge a little
farther to the right until the scroll bar shows up.

And Pimlical does, unless I'm mistaken, remember its size the next time
it is opened.

So it would only have to be done once.

BN

1. I did not activate Pimlical a period of time, and there was some alarms
should have gone off; can Pimlical display the "missing" alarms right after I
activate Pimlical? Perhaps, the number of "missing" alarm could be set via
preference, e.g. 5 missing alarms by default and 20 at the most.

2. "AlarmAlwaysOnTopInterval" is set to zero. Zero is not writen. For the other
pref-item, zero is explicitly recorded.

3. "ListViewSkipEmptyHeaders is set to "True". Can we have an option to set the
colour of line indicating that some dates are skipped. Currently, the line is
black, while I prefer to set the "ListViewHeaderBackground" black; so I can not
see the skipped-date line indicators.

4. For the SystemIcon, the icon number 11 is replaced by icon number 24. Why
does not Pimlical read the SystemIcon by ID only, instead of by position? Sorry
for being curious.

Thank you.

DL
.

I still face something confusing with the Display Font Setting. E.g. If
previously, in one session, for ListView, I have set the font via Menu - Options
- Default Display Font; then, I go to Menu - Options - Preference, [Display
Font], ListViewFont; and try to set different font style and size again here.
After I click "OK" in the small window "Select Font", sometimes Pimlical applies
my new selection, sometimes it does not. I have seen this since long time ago.
Can any user confirm (by selecting different style and/or size) ?

Thank You.

DL
.

I like your words.

After several months of using Nokia E-series calendar, I think Nokia programmers
do not dream as many of us here do, perhaps they never even sleep.
If I could install DateBk "3" on Nokia E63, to replace their calendar, I would
do that.

I would like to challenge any strong user here to try Nokia E-series calendar.
Who knows, you will not feel the pain as I do. :)

DL
.


"CESDewar" wrote:

> But of course, there
> are advantages in doing this because programmers are often constrained
> idea-wise by the realization that something would be so horribly difficult
> to implement that they don't even really want to consider it as something
> that might be "desirable" (!).

dirmansyahlubis wrote:
> I still face something confusing with the Display Font Setting. E.g.
> If previously, in one session, for ListView, I have set the font via
> Menu - Options - Default Display Font; then, I go to Menu - Options -
> Preference, [Display Font], ListViewFont; and try to set different
> font style and size again here. After I click "OK" in the small
> window "Select Font", sometimes Pimlical applies my new selection,
> sometimes it does not. I have seen this since long time ago. Can any
> user confirm (by selecting different style and/or size) ?

Confirmed.
Also checking this out I discovered on page 10 of the manual a small
spelling error:

Default Display Font launches the Font Selection Dialog which allows the
font size to be set for the ****currently******* view

Should be current.

BN

Thanks, Barbara.

I admit I did not pay attention to what CESD wrote on the description of
"DefaultReferenceFont", that it will be overridden by current view's default
font. But, when the two collide, which one should win? I prefer the Preference
setting should win; to me it would be less confusing.

Thank you.

DL
.

--- In Pimlical@yahoogroups.com, Barbara Needham <nosugref2000@...> wrote:
[...> Confirmed....]

There is one blank line between each of DJ record (in DJ's note). What is the
rule here? I would be glad if the one blank line is for different date of
record.

Thank you.

DL
.

I don't see a blank line; I see every entry on a new line.

--- In Pimlical@yahoogroups.com, "dirmansyahlubis" <dirmansyahlubis@...> wrote:
>
> There is one blank line between each of DJ record (in DJ's note). What is the
rule here? I would be glad if the one blank line is for different date of
record.
>
> Thank you.
>
> DL
> .
>

dirmansyahlubis wrote:
> Thanks, Barbara.
>
> I admit I did not pay attention to what CESD wrote on the description
> of "DefaultReferenceFont", that it will be overridden by current
> view's default font. But, when the two collide, which one should win?
> I prefer the Preference setting should win; to me it would be less
> confusing.

I think the general rule may be that the one that is easier to get at is
the one that overrides.

BN

Hi

in advanced find a search on custom fields 1-4 was forgotten or in any cases
would be handy as I would like to use those fiels as special tags.
without a search possible those 4 fields seem not really useful

thanks

Calude

Hi
the save error is fixed by enabling timezones

but
I dont like all the extra displays that show up because of the
timezone = ON

specially as I dont use them.

in previuous message you wrote:

  > Either set all three timezones to a null string OR set the
  > IncludeTimezoneSupport preference to true.

but when I set all three timezones to 0
and IncludeTimezoneSupport preference to false

the bug is back

Ill wait for the 200 fix

Calude


CESDewar a écrit :
> [Calude wrote:]
>>> somehow glad I'm not alone :)
> I have identified the problem as a preferences problem.
> dont know what in the prefs does this and why.
> .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .
> .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .
> The problem is caused by DISABLING Timezone handling in preferences, BUT
> while having items that are in explicit timezones. Next release will
> sidestep this error message, although obviously if you have events slotted
> in different timezones, you would presumably want to enable timezone
> handling or they would not be displayed at the correct time. For now,
> trivial workaround is to re-enable timezones (there's really no earthly
> reason to disable them except perhaps for performance reasons (although I
> doubt that would make the slightest visible difference).
>
> If you look at your preferences, you will see:
> ===============================================================
> HomeTimeZone = (timezone) +01:00B West Europe, Paris, Rome, Berlin, Madrid
> // Defines the home time zone. Items which have no explicit timezone
> assigned to them are assumed to be in this timezones
>
> CurrentTimeZone = (timezone) +01:00B West Europe, Paris, Rome, Berlin,
> Madrid        // Defines the current time zones. As a person moves from one
> timezone to another, this is the preference setting that gets changed.
>
> CreateTimeZone = (timezone) Home Timezone        // Defines the default
> timezone in which new items will be created. Nofmrally this is the same as
> the current time zone but can be set to a different, explicit value
>
> IncludeTimeZoneSupport = (boolean) false        // If true, timezone support
> is enabled in
> ===============================================================
>
> Either set all three timezones to a null string OR set the
> IncludeTimezoneSupport preference to true.
>
> Cheers!
> CESD, Pimlico Software, Inc.
> .    .    .
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> For information about trying and purchasing Pimlical:
http://www.pimlicosoftware.com/pimlicalpreview.htm
>
> To download latest version of Pimlical:
http://www.pimlicosoftware.com/pimlical.msi
>
> Neither Pimlico, the developer, nor the list owner is responsible for content.
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

I have added an extra icon (in png format) to my icon collection in pimlical
  It shows up in pimlical no probs.
I have synched with my Treo and the new icon does not show up in datebk.
Do I need to copy the icon to my datebk icons file? If so how do I do this?
Thanks
Gordon

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

There is one blank line between each of DJ record (in DJ's note). What is
the rule here? I would be glad if the one blank line is for different date
of record.

This was discussed about a month ago because Pimlical was doing something
minutely different from DateBk6. I then fixed Pimlical to work exactly the
same way, so you should see it doing precisely the same thing that DateBk6
did vis-a-vis end of line codes.

Cheers!
CESD, Pimlico Software, Inc.
.    .    .

Gordon wrote:

> I have added an extra icon (in png format) to my icon collection in pimlical
>  It shows up in pimlical no probs.
> I have synched with my Treo and the new icon does not show up in datebk.
> Do I need to copy the icon to my datebk icons file? If so how do I do this?

   Not quite, the only "neat" icon syncronisation between Pimlical and DateBk
goes only one way:  From DateBk to Pimlical.  This has been discussed heavily
on this group, so I won't repeat it.

   If you want to go the other way, download "Icon Manager" for PalmOS, (up to
version 1.6c last I checked).  This basically manages Icons on your palm.

   It has an import facility where you create a high (or low) resolution BMP
image and import that.


   It would *probably* be easier to create (or import) manage and tweak your
icon collection entirely on your Treo, and send that to Pimlical when you're
done.  This process is quite easy, in a more or less two step process with
pretty much zero fiddly work involved.


Google "icon manager palm", and you really can't avoid it.  It's quite
extensive little program, and takes a bit of time to wrap your head around
it's functions and capabilities.

   It can deal with both high and low resolution icons (along with colour,
greyscale and two bit black and white), and I would recommend you draw for
all, because you can pretty much use the same icon collection for any palm you
care for, and they'll all work.

   Make sure DateBk is set up to track icons by Resource ID, NOT by position.
MENU > Preferences > Advanced Settings >
Tick "Track icons by Resource ID".

   If you want to go crazy and create your own icons, to get you started, there
are many free icons available on the DateBk file area (yahoo groups), and more
if you just browse the web.
--
Linux Registered User # 302622
<http://counter.li.org>
Internet: jt@...

Hi CESD when you get round to the google sync it would be really helpful if
different Appointment categories could be synced to different google calendars
(or not synced at all) so Business syncs with work calendar and home syncs with
home calendar?? asking too much maybe??