I don't know why people think Tyler might be Poe. The letter from Tyler seems quite explicit, and Poe is quite rude (IMO) in his response. I think in the lack...
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Eric Smith
esmith@...
Aug 11, 2000 8:32 pm
[sorry if this looks poorly formatted - I orignially sent it from a mail program but it got bounced back b/c that account wasn't subscribed to this list so I...
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Tim Roberts
t.roberts@...
Aug 11, 2000 10:29 pm
... I don't think this would prove or disprove anything, since Tyler is using homophones. The frequency is remarkably even (not corresponding to any language)...
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Tim Roberts
t.roberts@...
Aug 11, 2000 10:34 pm
This is a re-post of some initial thoughts sent to selected people, with a couple of minor revisions. From: Tim Roberts <t.roberts@...> ... ...
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Tim Roberts
t.roberts@...
Aug 12, 2000 12:30 am
Here's the frequency count for letters in the Poe cipher. Columns are lower case, upper case large, upper case small, upper case small inverted, upper case...
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David Cookson
david@...
Aug 12, 2000 8:43 pm
Hi all I've just joined, and thought I'd weigh in with some thoughts. Tim Roberts said (in message 4) : <<there is a word R-v-v at the end of line 10. So this...
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Eric Smith
esmith@...
Aug 14, 2000 4:40 pm
right, but run an IOC on each alph - of course I'm not sure I see the homophones here - I'm not challenging you, I'm just pointing out my ignorance, can you...
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Eric Smith
esmith@...
Aug 14, 2000 4:57 pm
... thanks for coming on - good to have you! ... whole ... all words ... [^This is in reference to the "Rvv" text] As I've said in other posts, I'm not against...
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Jambonicus Q. Jambone
jambone6@...
Aug 14, 2000 10:04 pm
... then ... and "ort" ... My BEST GUESS at how this thing works is (and some of you made have heard this from me before, sorry)... You write out the alphabets...
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Tim Roberts
t.roberts@...
Aug 15, 2000 12:05 am
Hi Eric, ... Probably the misunderstanding is mine. My point is this - suppose "th" is quite common in the plain text. The plain text is quite short, so...
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Eric Smith
esmith@...
Aug 15, 2000 2:37 pm
So that is what I was saying. The key is either some long string of text that both end users have to agree upon or it is a word or phrase or whatever. But if...
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Jambonicus Q. Jambone
jambone6@...
Aug 17, 2000 4:30 pm
... This is one question that has bothered me quite a bit - what are the 130 symbols? Well, I went through the cryptogram and did my best to identify the...
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Dave Smith
dlsmith@...
Aug 17, 2000 5:24 pm
Here are a few thoughts for review and comment: All the evidence I've seen indicates that the cipher is homophonic, and that the word spaces are significant. I...
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ALICIA WINWARD
MRSTROUSER@...
Aug 17, 2000 7:01 pm
Hello all, I have been trying to translate the cipher into something my computer can read. I have tried to create a notation based on the actual letter then 1...
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mystery_inc
mystery_inc@...
Aug 20, 2000 7:19 pm
... From: <Codeset@egroups.com> To: <Codeset@egroups.com> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 1:11 PM Subject: [Codeset] Digest Number 14 ... T1A3 ... M1F3G2 ... ...
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mystery_inc
mystery_inc@...
Aug 20, 2000 7:19 pm
Do anyone have copies of the original articles in Graham's Magazine and letters between Tyler and Poe? The first thing would be to verify all know data. The...
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Jambonicus Q. Jambone
jambone6@...
Aug 21, 2000 1:56 pm
... and letters between Tyler and Poe? I will post specific links in the near future in the Links section of this eGroup. You can find copies of the articles...
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Dave Smith
dlsmith@...
Aug 21, 2000 8:27 pm
Andie, I compared the two images, confirming that they certainly ARE different! The lines break on different words; the fonts are slightly different (look at...
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Tim Roberts
t.roberts@...
Aug 30, 2000 9:50 am
This list has been very quiet recently - has everyone given up ? I think it is clear that the cipher is a simple (!) substitution cipher with homophones, but ...
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Jambonicus Q. Jambone
jambone6@...
Aug 30, 2000 2:09 pm
... I haven't made any progress, but I have had some thoughts on a way to attack this... Assuming that this is a polyalphabetic substitution, and that the key ...
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Dave Smith
dlsmith@...
Aug 30, 2000 3:04 pm
... I've also been thinking about attacking the problem with a hill-climber, because it appears to be monoalphabetic substitution with homophones, rather than...
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Jambonicus Q. Jambone
jambone6@...
Aug 30, 2000 5:31 pm
... climber, because it appears to be monoalphabetic substitution with homophones, rather than polyalphabetic. Dave, thanks for the clarification. I...
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Eric Smith
esmith@...
Aug 30, 2000 5:58 pm
First off - glad to see the activity on the list - although I think I "secretly" wish I had no competition in solving this :) I wrote several versions of code...
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Dave Smith
dlsmith@...
Aug 30, 2000 6:40 pm
... Ah, truth ;-) But if we knew the methodology, we wouldn't be having this much fun <g> I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that Tyler used ONLY...
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Tim Roberts
t.roberts@...
Aug 30, 2000 11:54 pm
Dave, ... Agree entirely, except there are certain indications that some words may be spelt backwards - for example, the upper-case K appears to be a 1-letter ...
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Dave Smith
dlsmith@...
Aug 31, 2000 1:12 pm
Tim, I agree with your analysis. In addition, we should consider languages other than English. For example, "O" is a one-letter word in Italian, French,...
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Dave Smith
dlsmith@...
Aug 31, 2000 9:21 pm
I took a fresh look at the symbols Tyler used, with an eye to duplicating his logic for choosing 130 symbols. My result is similar to JJ's, but the logic DID...
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Tim Roberts
t.roberts@...
Sep 1, 2000 6:54 am
Dave, ... Of course, this is possible, but it seems to me unlikely. If Tyler was trying to prove that his cipher was close to unbreakable, wouldn't he be...
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Robert Marston
rob.marston@...
Sep 1, 2000 7:39 am
There seems to be much debate in the group on the nature of the puzzle that we have been set. As far as I can ascertain the key section of the letters which we...
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Dave Smith
dlsmith@...
Sep 1, 2000 2:58 pm
... Yes, my first choice of language in the plaintext is English. But, as you point out, education was different 160 ago, when the USA was less than one...
