Dear Friends,


Greetings to you all. For some time now, we have not been together in
this forum. From my point of view, I was rather very busy with the
writing of a paper. Now that I am finished with it, I can share it with
you all.

The title of my paper is "THE ANCIENT PAGAN TEMPLE ‘PANTHEON’ IN ROME IS
MODELED AFTER THE TURKISH 'YURTS' IN CENTRAL ASIA (Yurt, in addition to
being a dwelling, was also a symbol of the ancient Turanian Sky-God
religion)".

Because the article is long and is an essay with pictures, I could not
put it in the Polat_Kaya Library as I generally do with my other
writings. It is most likely that the pictures would have been dropped
from the text by the Yahoo system. In order to keep it intact, I put the
paper in a new internet site of mine named http://www.polatkaya.net. The
url of the paper is http://www.polatkaya.net/pantheon_yurt.htm.

Through the similarity of the Pantheon building in Rome and the Yurts of
Central Asia, this paper establishes a true connection, between the
ancient world peoples (who have been pejoratively labelled "the Pagan"
peoples) and the ancient Turanian Tur/Turk/Oguz peoples. The so-called
ancient "pagan" world was the world of the Turanian Tur/Turk/Oguz
peoples who believed in the Sky-Father-God, Sun-God and the Moon-God of
the ancient Turanian trinity deity concept.

     From all this, it is understood that the later religions have all taken
their tenets from this ancient Turanian religion whose roots most likely
go far beyond ten-thousand years from present although this is not
readily admitted. The Turkish language, which was the language of this
ancient world wide religion, was the one language that the whole world
spoke as reported in GENESIS 11-1 and has been the source for many
languages. We see this fact also from many Latin words that I discussed
in the paper.

I hope you will have time to read this paper explaining the Pantheon
building and the Yurts of Central Asia in a new insight. Readers may
send their views to the following forums:

historical_linguistics_2@yahoogroups.com
bcn_2004@yahoogroups.com,

I would also like to take this opportunity to acknowledge all of the
valuable help that I received from Kamil Kartal in starting and
arranging the new site. Thank you Kamil for all that you have done.


Best wishes to all,

Polat Kaya

"1931 senesinde neşredilen �Pelasgiki Ellas� isimli eseri, Eleutheriades�in dehasını mükemmelen isbat eder. Eleutheriades burada; bugüne kadar, Antik Yunan dilindeki kelimelerin mühim bir kısmının belirsiz bir etimolojiden doğduğu şeklinde bilinegelen malumatın aksine, hakikatte bu kelimelerin, proto-semitik bir lisan temelinden, hususiyetle de Antik Arab lisanından neş�et ettiğini müdafaa eder."

"Bu tercüme, Eleftheriadis�e göre çok faqirdir. Homeros�un derin ve şiirsel mânâlarını anlamak için Pelasgik dili yani eski Samîce�ye ulaşmamız lâzım."

ESKİ YUNANCA ARABÇA�DAN MI DOĞDU?
Isus Theodoros
TERCÜME: OĞUZ YILDIRIM
N.P. Eleutheriades: Petra, Lesbos 1867 � Athens 1943
Aziz hatırasına�
Nikolaos Eleutheriades, Osmanlı hakimiyeti altındaki Lesbos/Petra�da Panagiotis Eleutheriades ve Aspasia Hatzinikoli�nin oğulları olarak 1867�de dünyaya geldi. Henüz küçük bir çocukken dahi öğrenebilme hassası bakımından fevkalade bir istidat sergiledi. Smyrna(İzmir)�da Evangelik (Protestan) mektebi ve Atina�da Hukuk tahsiline devam etmiş ve mezuniyetinin akabinde Londra ve Paris�te İslam Hukuku/Şeriat üzerinde çalışmıştır. Daha sonra Hukuk�u mevzu edinen birçok eserini de Smyrna�da avukat olarak çalıştığı sırada yayınladı. Bu eserlerden biri olan �Ekümenik Patrikliğe Tanınan İmtiyazlar� başlıklı kitabında; Fatih Sultan Mehmed�in Patrikhane�ye tanıdığı imtiyazların, Batılı araştırmacıların hemen hepsinin müşterek kanaati olduğu üzere; sadece siyasi sebeblerle değil, aynı zamanda İslam şeriatının bir ileri görüşlülüğü olduğunu savunmuştur. Bu eser, Eleutheriades�in Doğu�nun meseleleri bahsinde ne derece derin malumat sahibi hür bir araştırmacı olduğunun delili mahiyetindedir. Osmanlıca, Arabça ve Antik Yunanca�yı mükemmelen bilen Eleutheriades, İslam ve Roma Hukuku üzerinde söz sahibiydi. Daha sonraları, Yunanistan hükümetinin �Vakıf�/mülkiyet meseleleri üzerine resmi müsteşarlık ve kısa bir sure de Atina Üniversitesi�nin Hukuk bölümünde hocalık yaptı. Türkiye ve Yunanistan arasındaki hukuki meseleleri mevzu edinen birçok eseri neşretmeye devam ederek mezkur bahiste uzmanlaştı. 1931 senesinde neşredilen �Pelasgiki Ellas� isimli eseri, Eleutheriades�in dehasını mükemmelen isbat eder. Eleutheriades burada; bugüne kadar, Antik Yunan dilindeki kelimelerin mühim bir kısmının belirsiz bir etimolojiden doğduğu şeklinde bilinegelen malumatın aksine, hakikatte bu kelimelerin, proto-semitik bir lisan temelinden, hususiyetle de Antik Arab lisanından neş�et ettiğini müdafaa eder. Eleutheriades�e gore; bilhassa (Bedouin)/Bedevilerin konuştuğu Antik Arabça, semitik dillerin en eskisi ve en saf olanıdır. Onun bu muhteşem ilmi keşfinin mahiyetini anlayabilmek için Anadolu/Doğu dillerini ve Antik Yunanca�yı derinliğine bilmek elzemdir. Mezkur diller arası böyle bir münasebeti ilk olarak ileri süren kendisi olmuştur. Hakeza, Yunanistan�da ilk yerleşiklerin; Libyalılar, Etiyopyalılar ve Mısırlılar olduğunu ve Antik Yunandaki dinî ve mitolojik edebiyatın da bu halklardan geldiğini savunmuştur. Ancak, Eleutheriades�in çalışmaları, Arabça ve diğer semitik dilleri layıkıyla bilmeyen Yunan entelektüel çevrelerinde mühim bir dikkat uyandırmamış ve sonuç olarak, onun milletlerarası planda öncülüğünü yaptığı bu ilmi araştırma unutulmaya yüz tutmuştu. Bu durum, 50 yıl kadar sonra, Dr.Martin Bernal isimli araştırmacının bağımsız olarak aynı sonuca varmasına değin sürmüştür. Eleutheriades�in birçok tezi, misalen, Mısır dilinin semitik dillerle olan güçlü bağı, ilmi çevrelerde henüz yeni yeni �60 yıl sonra!- tartışılabilir hale gelmiştir. Bu çapta bir dehanın ilmi buluşlarının hakettiği itibarı görmemesi hakikaten utanç vericidir.
Eleutheriades 76 yaşındayken Alman işgali altındaki Atina�da 1943 yılında vefat etti. Ardında çocuk bırakmadı. Akrabalarından bazıları halen Petra�da yaşamaktadır. Onun kayıp arşivi birgün bulunacak olursa, lingüistik/dilbilim de yeni bir ışığa kavuşacaktır. Eleutheriades�in Mycenean yıllarından Roma�ya (Latin dilinin Antik Arabça�dan doğduğuna ve Roma ceza sisteminin aslında Anadolu/Doğu tarafından çok önceleri icad edildiğine inanıyordu.) kadar olan dönemi kapsayacak kadar engin çalışmasının sadece küçük bir kısmı günümüze kadar ulaşmış olmakla birlikte, bu küçük kısım dahi, bugüne dek Ari modeli merkez alan �Karşılaştırmalı Antik Yunan Dilbilimi� dayanaklarını sarsabilecek kadar büyüktür. EK: Dr.Hakkı Açıkalın�ın Coyotte adlı eserinden:
ELEFTHERİADİS HAKKINDA...
Büyük bir dehânın anısına
İsus Theodoros
Bu yazı, beni çok etkileyen büyük bir ustanın anısınadır. Onun adı, Nikolaos Eleftheriadis�di. İlk defa Eski Yunanca ile Arabca arasındaki ilişkileri araştıran, dilbilimin Alman Aryan üslûbunu bozan Yunanistan�daki kişiydi. Mesleği avukat olan, 1867 ile 1943 arasında yaşayan Eleftheriadis, ömürünün büyük bir kısmını İstanbul ve İzmir�de geçirdi. Aslında İstanbul�da doğdu. Patrikhâne imtiyâzları, Islâm fıkhı, Semitik diller üzerinde birçok eserler yazıp hukukî ve tarihî bir araştırmacı olarak temâyüz edildi.
Onun ustalığı hakkında kısa bir numûne sunmak istediğim için �Pelasgoi� («Πελασγοί») adlı kitabının içerisinde yer alan Homeros�un İliada�sı üzerine Eleftheriadis�in tefsirini sunuyorum.
Söz ettiğimiz İliada�nın pasajı şu (İlias, B, 511-515):
Οἵ δ� Ἀσπληδόνα ναῖον ἰδ� Ὀρχομενὸν Μινύειον,
τῶν ἦρχ� Ἀσκάλαφος καὶ Ἰάλμενος, υἷες Ἄρηος,
οὓς τέκεν Ἀστυόχη δόμῳ Ἄκτορος Ἀζεΐδαο,
παρθένος αἰδοίη, ὑπερώιον εἰσαναβᾶσα,
Ἄρηι κρατερῷ� ὁ δέ οἱ παρελέξατο λάθρῃ·
Klasik tercümesi şudur:
Miniai�ye âid Asplidona ve Orhomenos�da yaşayanların liderleri, Aris�in oğulları Askalafos ve Ialmenos idi. Azeus�ın oğlu Aktor�un evinde, muhterem bâkire Astiohi, evinin üst katına çıktı ve kuvvetli Aris ile gizlice yattıktan sonra, onları doğurdu.
Bu tercüme, Eleftheriadis�e göre çok faqirdir. Homeros�un derin ve şiirsel mânâlarını anlamak için Pelasgik dili yani eski Samîce�ye ulaşmamız lâzım.
Astiohi (Ἀστυόχη), Askalafos ve Ialmenos�un annesi, belki ἄστυ (asti = şehir) ve ἔχω (eho = var olmak) kelimelerinin bir bileşimdir, yani bu kadının bir şehri vardı. Bu klasik tefsir karşısında Eleftheriadis, Astiohi kelimesi ile Arab kök kelimesi sataha (سطح ) arasında bağlantı kurar. Sataha Arabca�da düzenli, yalız, alçak yüzey demek. Yani denizin düz yüzeyi anlamındadır. Satıh kelimesi aynı kökten geliyor. Orhomenôs (Ὀρχομενός) kendi yüksek tepedeki kalesiyle çok ünlü eski bir şehirdi. Asplidona (Ἀσπληδόνα) ise Arap kök kelimesi safala (سفل
) bir türevidir. Safala Arabcada alçalmak demek. Sefil kelimesi de buradan. Yani Asplidona, Orhomenos�un karşıtı, alçak, denizin yakınındaki yer anlamındadır. Yani Homeros, Minîe (Μινύαι) halqının egemenliğinin yüksek tepelerden denize kadar yaygın olduğunu söylemek istiyor.
Askâlafos (Ἀσκάλαφος) kelimesi Arabca kalafa (كلف) dan geliyor. Kalafa�nın Arabca�da bir anlamı gemilerin yapıcısı ve düzeltmenidir ki Askâlafos, �s� harfinin araya girmesiyle, bu anlama geliyor. �S� harfi eski Yunanca�da kelimelerin arasına sıklıkla girer. Meselâ epos (söylenti), espos da var, mikros (küçük), smikros da var.
Ialmenos (Ἰάλμενος) Arabca kök kelimesi a�lama (عام) çoğuludur (a�lamoun). Yani sık sık seyâhat eden, ve dış dünyâ�dan ilm kazanan biridir.
Aktor (Ἄκτωρ) Yunanca bir kelime, ago (ἄγω) fiilinden geliyor ve taşıyan, nakleden kişi anlamındadır. Kontekst�e göre mallar nakleden, idhâl eden kişi anlamındadır.
Azevs (Ἀζευς) kelimesi, Minîe halqının kralı Erginos (Ἐργίνος) kelimesini aklımıza getiriyor. İkisi de büyük bir ihtimâlle Arab kök kelimesi raca�a�dan (رجع) geliyor, yani gidip gelmek, seyâhat etmek anlamındadır. Erginos ve Azevs ticâret ve denizcilik ile uğraşan ve bunlardan para kazanan insanlar anlamına gelir.
Şimdi pasajın tüm güzelliğini anlayabiliriz: Orhomenos�un yüksek kulesinin tepesinde, ticâret ve savaş harekâtlarını işleten Erginoslar�ın amiralliği bulunduğu ve Aris tarafından korunan saray�ın çatı katında, bir karanlık gecede, fırtınalı ve köpüren deniz ayyuka çıktı ve bir ân süren, Aris ile gizlice yapılan konuşmadan sonra, Askâlafos ve Ialmenos, iki bilge ve kuvvetli delikanlı doğdu. Onlar sonra kendi halqına, Minîe, Troia savaşına lider olarak yol gösterdiler.
İşte sevgili okuyucular, Eleftheriadis�in keşfettiği ve insanlığa sunduğu Homeros�un İlida�sının batınî anlamı. Ne yazık ki Yunanistan�da bu bilge herkes tarafından unutulmuştur ve onun kitabları tozlarla kaplıdır. Diliyorum ki, mümkünse, bu insan üzerine Akademya tarafından bir araştırma yapılsın. EK-II: Isus Theodoros�un makalesinin İngilizce orijinali:
N.P. Eleutheriades: Petra, Lesbos 1867 � Athens 1943 In memoriam Nikolaos Eleutheriades, son of Panagiotis Eleutheriades and Aspasia Hatzinikoli, was born in Petra of Lesbos, then under the Ottoman rule, in 1867. From a small boy he exhibited an extraordinary wiliness for learning. He attended the Evangelical School in Smyrna and the law school in Athens, and then continued his post-graduate studies in Islamic law (Sheriat) in London and in Paris. He then worked as a lawyer in Smyrna where he published several books concerning law matters. In one of these books with the title �On the privileges of Ecumenical Patriarcheio�, he expressed the view that the privileges were granted to Patriarch by Mohammed Fatih not just as a reason of policies, view held mostly by Occidental researchers, but because that�s what the Islamic law foresaw. This research proved that Eleutheriades was an independent researcher with a deep knowledge of the matters of Anatolia. He had a perfect knowledge of Ottoman and Arabic language, Ancient Greek language, and of the Islamic and Roman law. He latter went to work as a Legal Counselor of the Greek state on matters concerning the Vakuf�s, and taught for a brief time in the Law School of Athens University. He continued to publish many other books concerning legal matters between Turkey and Greece, and he became an expert on the matter concerning properties (Vakuf).
The book that really proved Eleutheriades� genius, was �Pelasgiki Ellas�, published in 1931. In this book Eleutheriades suggested that a big part of Ancient Greek language vocabulary, believed till that day to be of unknown etymology, was in fact derived by a proto-
Semitic language substratum, and especially ancient Arabic. For Eleutheriades ancient Arabic, especially the Arabic spoken by the Bedouins, is the most pure and ancient form of Semitic languages. In order to understand the tremendous scientific achievement of Eleutheriades one has to know in depth the Anatolian languages and Ancient Greek. He was the first to suggest such a linkage. He also claimed that the first inhabitants of Greece were Libyans, Ethiopians and Egyptians, and that many of the religious and mythological ethos of Ancient Greece were coming from those people. Sadly, Eleutheriades� work found little notice in Greece by the other intellectuals, due mainly to their lack of knowledge of the Arabic and other Semitic languages, and as a result Eleutheriades� international pioneering scientific research remained forgotten. It took another 50 years for another researcher, Dr. Martin Bernal, to arrive independently to the same conclusions. Many of Eleutheriades� suggestions, for example, that ancient Egyptian vocabulary has a strong linkage to Semitic languages, are just now (after 60 years!) being discussed in international scientific fora. It is a shame that such a genius never got the credit for all this scientific achievement. Eleutheriades died in Athens, in 1943, under the German occupation, aged 76. He left no children. Some of his relatives are still living in Petra. If his lost archive will ever be found, is sure to bring new light to linguistic science. Eleutheriades� research was enormous, from the Mycenaean years till Rome (he believed that Latin language also derived in big part from ancient Arabic, and that Roman penal code was in fact invented long before by Anatolian people) and unfortunately only a fragment of this work survived till our days, a fragment nevertheless big enough to be able to shake the foundations of comparative linguistics of Ancient Greek, a science being oriented till our days by the Arian model. www.isustheodorus.up.to
www.akademya.up.to
www.yeniakademya.org
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"The symbolism of the fasces at one level suggested strength through unity. The rods symbolized the state's power to punish delinquents. The axe represented the ultimate power of high justice to execute (decapitate), and has a long history in the eastern Mediterranean: see labrys, the Anatolian and Minoan double-headed axe. "

2. From url: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etruscan_civilization

"Populus Romanus

Lore descending from the first constitution gives little indication of being anything but Etruscan. The people were divided into magic numbers: three tribes, 12 curiae per tribe. The word century also appears, ostensibly meaning “100” in the Etruscan language. Throughout the long history of Rome, a social century of any sort has never been 100. It is now known that many words of Etruscan origin have been given Indo-European pseudo-etymologies. This topic seems to generate a great deal of debate.

The names of the tribes: Ramnes, Luceres, Tities, are Etruscan, as well as the word curiae. The king is most likely to have been a lucumo; certainly, the trappings of monarchy are all Etruscan: the golden crown, sceptre, the toga palmata (a special robe), the sella curulis (throne), and above all the symbol of state power: the fasces. The latter was a bundle of whipping rods surrounding a double-bladed axe. No confederate or associative form of government could have had the power to whip and execute, administered by the lictors."

Polat Kaya: From this reference we again see that the "FASCES" was Etruscan, that is, another Turanian group that gave all aspects of civilization to the Aryan Europeans.

3. From url: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasces

4.  From url: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/labrys

The non-Greek word "labrys" first appears in Plutarch as the Lydian word for axe (Greek Questions, 45)."

Polat Kaya:  With the above given background information taken from different sources, let us look at the name "fasces".  The statement that I highlighted with red in item 1 above, that is, the saying: "The axe represented the ultimate power of high justice to execute (decapitate)" is a most important one for the identification of this very ancient word, so-called "fasces". 

The "F" in the word "FASCES" is a replacement for the letter B.  In the Etruscan alphabet, there is a symbol in the form of a numeral 8.  The European readers of the Etruscan words read this symbol as an "F" but in reality it is a "B".  The letter C in the word "FASCES" is a K because it is pronounced as a K.   Applying these corrections now,  "FASCES" becomes "BASKES", which is the degenerated form of the Turkish word "BASh-KES" (BASh KESI) meaning "that which cuts head", that is, "it decapitates head" or "head cutter".  In Turkish, BASh means "head" and KES means "cut" and KESI means "that which cuts".  An axe was such an instrument of punishment in ancient times. Another Turkish expression for "BASh KES" is "BASh VUR" again meaning decapitating the head.  As it can be seen, this function of "fasces" is plainly spelled out in the word "fasces" - but in Turkish.  This double-headed axe is also known by the Turkish name "AY BALTA" meaning "Moon Axe".  This is so because the axe blades are formed semicircular as if half-moon.  The Ottoman "coat of Arm" had both the singled-headed and the double-headed axe in the pictorial embellishment of the state symbol. The Turkish word BALTA (BALDA) means "axe" and AY means "moon".  To see the Ottoman coat of arm, please clik the url:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Coat_of_Arms

Thus the FASCES (BASKES) was the symbol of ultimate authority, power and the justice of the kings of these Turanian states.  The FASCES (BAS-KES) was also sacred because it had another religious meaning expressed by it in Turkish.  This other meaning was hidden as "BASh-KÖZ" (BASh-GÖZ, TEPE GÖZ) meaning "eye at the top" which referred to the sun and moon which were regarded as the "eyes of the Sky-God".  It also referred to the human head which housed some of the most important organs of the human body, that is, the brain to think, learn and to create, the eyes to see and to learn and to guide, the mouth to eat, drink, speak, sing etc., the ears to hear and the nose to breath - all of which are summarized in Turkish OGUZ and AGUZ. With these representations, the FASCES was also a tool representing sacred concepts. In other words, it was also a religious symbol. I must also note that the Turkish terms "BASh GÖZ" or "TEPE GÖZ" which refer to sun and moon, have been taken as "CYCLOPS" in Homer's writings.  The Cyclops stories are from Turkish OGUZ stories. 

Since the word FASCES (BASKES) was a Turkish word, and was used by peoples such as the Lydians, Trojans, Carians, Etruscans, Minoans, Pelasgians, Thracians, and others, the KARIANS must also have been a Turkish speaking Tur/Turk peoples of Anatolia.  Thus this indicates that the "fasces" was a Turanian word and concept before the Romans and Greeks "adopted" it.  The so-called "Aryans" (arayans) who came to Europe  some thousands of years later than the native Turanians of ancient Europe, took over the control of the native peoples from within at the most opportune time.  After that everything belonging to the Turanians was changed, disfigured and portrayed as belonging to the "Aryans".

Curiously even USA has placed this ancient Turanian symbol on one of their 10 cent coins - even though they had nothing whatsoever to do with this ancient Turanian symbol of power and justice.

At this point it is worth mentioning that the English word "AXE" (where X deceptively represents KS)  is really the disfigured form of the Turkish word "KES-O" meaning "it is cutting" - which is what an "axe" does.

5. We have from url:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labranda

"In Antiquity, Labraunda (alternatively Labranda) in the mountains near the coast of Caria in Asia Minor was held sacred by Carians and Mysians alike. The site amid its sacred plane trees (Herodotus, v.119) was enriched in the Hellenistic style by the dynasty of Mausolus, satraps of Persia, for whom it was the ancestral sacred shrine. Remains of Hellenistic houses and streets can still be traced, and there are numerous inscriptions. The cult icon here was Zeus Labraundos, a standing Zeus with the tall lotus-tipped scepter upright in his left hand and the double-headed axe, the labrys, over his right shoulder."

Polat Kaya: The definition of the words LABRAUNDA and LABRYS are also names for a double-headed axe.  When the the word LABRAUNDA is rearranged as "URAN BALDA", the word LABRAUNDA reveals itself as a restructured form of the Turkish expression "URAN BALDA" (VURAN BALTA) meaning "hitting axe" or "decapitating axe" which verifies the fact that  LABRAUNDA was an axe and was used to cut off the heads when required.  So just like the FASCES (BASKES), it was a symbol of unity, power and justice in these ancient states.  This again indicates that the source of the word LABRAUNDA was Turkish.  This linguistic correspondence indicates that the CARIANS were Turanians and spoke a form of Turkish.

But the LABRAUNDA was also a sacred symbol of the state.  This is also understood clearly, when we rearrange the name LABRAUNDA as "DANRU-BAAL", it reveals itself as a restructured form of the Turkish expression "TANRU BAAL"  meaning "God BAAL". In this case I take BAAL as a name given to God in the ancient Middle East.  You will recall that "BAAL was a name of God.

Furthermore,  LABRAUNDA when rearranged as "AB-AL-DANRU", reveals itself as a restructured form of the Turkish expression "ABA AL DANRU" (APA AL TANRU, APA KIZIL TANRU) meaning "Father Red  God" or "Father Golden God" which refers to the Sun-God and Moon-God of the sky.  

Additionally, LABRAUNDA, when rearranged as "DURAN-AL-AB", reveals itself as a restructured form of the Turkish expression "DURAN AL ABA" meaning "everlasting Red/Golden Father" which again refers to the eternal Sky-God SUN.  The same expression is also "TURAN AL APA" meaning "The Red/Golden Father from TURAN".  

"Bodrum (Greek: Αλικαρνασσός, formerly Budrum, previously Petronium, originally Halicarnassus) is a Turkish port in Muğla Province. It is on the Bodrum Peninsula, near the northwest entrance to the Gulf of Gökova, and faces the Greek island of Kos. Today, it is a center of tourism and yachting. It is the ancient Halicarnassus of Caria, renowned for the Mausoleum."

"Maussolus died in 353. He was succeeded by his sister (and wife) Artemisia -she invited Greek artists to finish the Mausoleum-, his brothers Idrieus and Pixodarus and finally his younger sister Ada. They were quarreling. When Alexander the Great approached Caria in 334, Ada opened negotiations and became the new queen of Caria."

Polat Kaya:  The above names are Hellenized names hence are disfigured from their original.  For example the Hellenized name IDRIEUS, is clearly an altered form of the Turkish male name IDRIS.  Similarly the name ADA is very much the Turkish female name EDA. But in the form of ADA (ATA) and as queen of Caria, she represents a "fatherly" figure and authority.

The Hellenized name HECATOMNUS, when rearranged as "ATEM-CUNOSH", clearly shows that the Turkish words GUNESH meaning "Sun", ATAM meaning "my father", and "ATIM (ADIM) meaning "my name" are embedded in the name of this Caian King. These Turkish words are very relevant in titling a king of a state in the ancient Turanian tradition.

Similarly the Hellenized king name MAUSSOLUS, when rearranged as "S-AL-OUSSUM", clearly shows that the Turkish words AL meaning "Red" or "Golden" and OGUZ meaning "Sky God" are embedded in this King's name.  The expression "S-AL-OUSSUM"  is a form of the Turkish expression "aS-AL-OUZUM" meaning "I am one/peerless Red Oguz" which refers to sun, moon and the sky-father-god.  Thus the title deifies him as a Sky God.

The Hellenized title of this king name PIXSODARUS, when rearranged as "PIR-ADaS-OKUSS",  clearly shows that the Turkish words BIR meaning "one",  ATASh (ATESh) meaning "fire"  and OGUZ are all embedded in this King's title.  He also has a very distinct and deifying name.  Additionally his title means "One Fire Bull" which again refers to the Sun. 

Ancient Caria In ancient times the coast and the hinterland of Asia Minor were divided into provinces that owed their origins to the indigenous population or to peoples who colonized it from other areas. In many cases it is difficult to determine whether an area was so named from the indigenous population or colonists, or as is often the case, a mixture of the two. Caria is one of those regions whose origins are unsure with conflicting evidence and ancient commentaries giving no definitive answer. Herodotus (484-425 BC) tells us that the Carians were originally from the Greek Islands, subjects of King Minos of Crete, that they were great seafarers and fighters who manned the Minoan fleets. They were then called Leiagians and when the Dorian and Ionian Greeks spread from mainland Greece down through the islands, the Leiagians were forced across to the coast of Asia Minor, Thucydides, the Athenian historian (460-396 BC), gives a variation of Herodotus' story. He
claims the Carians were pirates throughout the Greek islands and that King Minos expelled them when their piracy got out of hand. Pausanias, that intrepid travel writer of the 2nd century AD, says that the Carians were a native race of Anatolia and that colonists from Crete had mixed with them and adopted their name. Archaeological evidence tends to the opinion that the Carians were an indigenous race with a long history of their own. Colonists from across the water most certainly arrived here and were absorbed into the local population along with new ideas and skills that were adopted by the native Carians. The brief mention Homer makes of the Carians in the 8th century BC is that they were 'barbarous of speech' and it is interesting that today in Turkish language the harshest dialect in western Turkey is still found in this region. Right through the Greek and Roman periods the Carians preserved their own identity. Greek and Roman architectural ideas were adopted and pr
esumably
so were matters of dress, diet, and religion. One thing the Carians were long famous for was their seafaring skill. As far back as the 8th Century BC the Carian fighting fleet was a feared and respected force, though there is a curious tale told by Herodotus that rather confounds this apparent fame. When Xerxes was preparing his fleet for the invasion of Greece in 480 BC, Artemisia, queen of Caria, not only contributed ships to the expedition but also joined the fleet in person. At the Battle of Salamis when the Persian fleet was routed by the numerically inferior Greek fleet, Artemisia managed to escape in an unusual way. While her own ship was being pursued by an Athenian ship, by design or accident, she turned and bore down on a ship from her own side, a Calyndian vessel, and ramming it amidships sank it with all hands. The Athenian ship then left her alone, presuming she must be fighting on the Greek side; Xerxes watching from a distant hill-side assumed the Calyndian
ship to be one of the enemy and was full of praise for Artemisia's bravery. Apparently none of the luckless Calyndians survived to tell the real story. At it's greatest Carian territory extended from what is now Lake Bafa in the north to Lake Köycegiz east of Marmaris, in the province of Mugla. In the north were the ancient cities of Heracleia, Alinda and Alabanda. In the south Caunos represented the most southerly Carian territory and overlapped into Lycia. The area corresponds almost exactly to the modern administrative province (vilayet) of Mugla. Caria remained intact through the great invasions that swept through Asia Minor without losing it's identity although that identity took a few battering along the way. When the Persians dominated Asia Minor under Darius and Xerxes, Caria was part of the greater Persian Empire. However with Xerxes' defeat by the Athenians and the formation of the Delian Confederacy, the Carian cities came under Athenians way. With the Spar
tan victory over Athens in 405 BC the Carian cities were under Spartan rule, though only for a brief ten years until the Spartans were removed from power. The Persians now moved in again and divided their empire into satrapies, provinces ruled by a local governor who owed allegiance to Persia. In 377 BC Mausolus became satrap of Caria in Halicarnassos (today Bodrum) and he craftily developed Caria into an independent power without upsetting his Persian masters. Alexander the Great stormed through the region in 334 BC and with the aid of Queen Ada, an exiled Carian queen, soon had the region firmly under his control. Queen Ada was installed as ruler and appears to have become something of a mother figure to the eccentrically talented Alexander. The death of Alexander in 323 BC left a power vacuum and like much of the then civilized world, Caria was fought over by various groups though none gained any lasting control. The Romans finally sorted things out and with the defeat o
f the Macedonian King Phillip V in 197 BC, order finally returned to the region. There were political hiccups with the arrival of Mithriadates in 88 BC and Anthony's orgiastic rule a little later, but the defeat of Anthony by Octavius marked the beginning of an era of stable government and prosperity for Caria. Towards the end of the Roman Empire and the birth of Byzantine, Caria began to decline, the population moved away, and the once great coastal cities lost their former power and some of their splendor. What happened in the interior is difficult to know, certainly Caria could no longer be considered a region but rather a collection of coastal towns. On the whole antiquity had been kind to Caria. The centuries that followed were to be less so as Caria became more and more a remote and forgotten region. http://www.allaboutturkey.com/karya.htm
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Sizden bir istirhamim olacak, aman lutfen ALGONQUIAN icin bizleri cok bekletmeyin! Kardesiniz Kamil --- In bcn_2004@yahoogroups.com, Polat Kaya <tntr@...> wrote:

"KIZIL ELMA" WAS THE ANCIENT NAME OF THE CITY OF "ROME"
By
POLAT KAYA
PART-1
INTRODUCTION
After publishing my paper regarding the relation between the Pagan temple of "Pantheon" in Rome and the ancient Turanian Yurts, a new situation suddenly came to the surface. As I was trying to find 

some 

information about the poem "KIZIL ELMA" by the famed Turkish poet philosopher Ziya Gökalp, I was amazed by the information that I 

found in 

my Redhouse Turkish-English Dictionary, [1] It defined KIZIL ELMA 

as 

being: "a) a legendary Turkish land in Central Asia, and b) in 

ancient 

times, the name of the city of Rome."
This is an eye opener indeed! It indicates that not only was the 

name 

"ROME" or "ROMA" not the real name of this ancient city, but its 

real 

name was in Turkish in the form of "KIZIL ALMA" meaning "Golden 

Apple" 

or "Red Apple". Evidently the British writers of the Redhouse 

Turkish - 

English dictionary knew much more about ancient "ROME" than the 

public 

at large. Particularly, the Romans or the Latins and/or the 

Catholic 

Church officials know much more about the city's real ancient name -

 but 

they never told the truth about it to the public. As usual 

everything 

about them is in deep secrecy. That is, how they have been 

operating for 

the last 2,000 years or more. In fact they intentionally kept the original name of Rome secret.
The name ROMA (ROME), related to Turkish word "ARAMA" meaning "wandering", is very much a name of the ancient wandering peoples (gypsies) who had no civilization of their own except usurping and secrecy. Whenever they wanted to takeover a Turanian country, first 

they 

infiltrated into the state borders with peaceful looking means such 

as 

setting up commercial selling stations in a corner of the country. After all, selling was their forte. On the surface, these selling stations look very innocent, i.e., a simple buy and sell station, 

but 

below the surface, it is really a penetration by an untrustable 

outsider 

into the country. Once the outsider has established his 

organization for 

future activities, then at the opportune time, they seize the 

control of 

the country. Then they exterminate or assimilate the native 

peoples of 

the land, they then change previous names into a broken up language 

and 

finally call this 'new civilization' as their own as if there was 

no 

civilization before them.
Evidently this is what happened in the case of the ancient town of "ROMA" or "KIZIL ELMA" which was originally built by the Turanian Etruscan kings. Of course, the Turkish name "KIZIL ELMA" meaning "Golden Apple" or "Red Apple" given to a newly founded city is very meaningful because the name has connections to the name of the Sky-

God 

in accordance with the ancient Turanian tradition of naming the 

capital 

cities. Etruscans, being Turanian peoples, must have named their 

new 

city similarly after their ancient Sky-God. This I intend to 

explore in 

this writing.
After this new revelation, I did some additional research about the 

old 

name of Rome. One book by an author named Frank J. Korn writes in 

his 

book, entitled "A Catholic's Guide to Rome: Discovering the Soul of 

the 

Eternal City" (also called "The Hidden Rome")-Page 7:
"The Eternal City of? Rome. Many names such as "The Eternal City, 

City 

of seven Hills, City of the Caesars, City of Popes, See of Peter, 

and 

others. A little tradition holds that Romulus and the other 

founding 

fathers took the secret of the city's original name with them to 

their 

graves. It seems that for identification purposes they agreed to 

let the 

city be called Rome after Romulus, its first king, while not 

disclosing 

the actual name they had chosen. Only the Pontifex Maximus, Chief priest, was permitted to pronounce the sacred name and this only 

before 

an altar while offering sacrifice and in such a low whisper so as 

to 

render it inaudible to those in attendance. It was considered the gravest of sacrileges, punishable by death on a cross, for anyone 

to 

divulge the nomen verum. We learn these things from Pliny the 

elder."

First of all Romulus was not the founding father of the city. It 

was 

the Etruscan TARQUIN kings that founded the city and ruled for a 

hundred 

years before they lost the city to so-called "Romans".
Furthermore to keep this ancient city's name secret puts into focus 

the 

fact that the original city did not belong to the so-called people 

of 

"Latins" or to those who renamed the city as ROMA (ROME) for identification purposes. Just as car thieves change the color and 

serial 

number of a stolen car and then register it as their own, those who 

took 

the city from the original Etruscans changed all things related to 

its 

original Turanian identity and called it their own city. Evidently, 

this 

was the most developed tradition of these wandering peoples and 

they did 

it with professional skill. This kind of secrecy keeps popping up 

all 

the time as Dan Brown and others have indicated in their books.
Ataullah Bogdan Kopanski in his writing entitled "Islamization of Shqeptaret: the Clash of Religions in Medieval Albania" at url: http://www.iiu.edu.my/deed/quran/albanian/Albchapt.htm writes:
"The 'news' and descriptions of the Christian lands were very 

crucial 

for the Muslim emirs of Asia Minor who wished to reach the land of legendary Kizyl Alma ('Red Apple), identified sometimes with the copper-covered dome of the Church of Hagia Sofia in Constantinople, 

and 

sometimes with the 'apple' over the basilic of St.Peter in Vatican."
It is very interesting that the domes of Hagia Sofia and St, 

Peter's 

Basilica should be identified with the name "KIZIL ELMA". As I 

have 

already shown, the domes of these buildings are symbolization of 

the Sun 

and the Sky-Dome. The Domes of these churches and even many others 

being 

"RED" (KIZIL) and "ROUND" makes them metaphorically "KIZIL 

ELMA". "KIZIL 

ELMA" literally means "Golden Apple" or "Red Apple" but symbolizes 

the 

Sun God, the Moon God and the hunam head.
Let us dwell a bit on the name "KIZIL ALMA" and see if we can trace 

the 

reason why the city would be called KIZIL ALMA or something similar 

to 

it. For the Turks the name KIZIL ELMA in one meaning, signifies the 

old 

glory of the TURAN, that is, the Central Asia and the ancient 

Turanians. 

It means the Altai mountains, the Tanri Mountains and the rest of 

it. 

The ancient name KIZIL ALMA meant "Golden Apple" and/or "Red Apple" representing the ancient Turanian Sun-Moon (AL-MA) and Sky (GÖK) 

based 

religion which traditionalized the advocasy of justice and peace 

for all 

peoples and the Turanian civilization that created many peerless advancements for humanity.
The name was embodied in the city names such as "ALMATI" in Central 

Asia 

which was the capital city (Tepe Kent, Bas Kent) of Kazakistan up 

until 

recently when it was changed to a new site at the north of the 

country. 

The name "ALMATI" in one meaning means "It is apple". In the other 

form 

of "AL-MA-ATA", it means the "SUN-MOON-FATHER" which signifies the religious concepts of the ancient Turanian "Sun-God (Gün-Tanri), 

the 

Moon-God (AY-Tanri) and the Sky-Father-God" (Gök-ATA-Tanri). 

Turkish 

"AL", like "KIZIL", means "red". Kizil also means "gold, golden". 

Thus 

"AL" or "KIZIL" is a Turkish adjective describing the "SUN", that 

is, 

the sun at sunrise and sun at sunset. Normally the Sun looks 

golden 

(yellow) but during sunrise and sunset, it appears red. The ancient Turkish word MA means "magnificent and Moon" as an alternative name 

for 

Turkish "AY". ATA means "father" or "ancestor" and is a name of 

the 

Sky-Father God as the Creator Father.
This ancient Turanian religion was a universal religion followed 

all 

over the world by Turanians wherever they went. The city of ROME 

being 

referred to as "KIZIL ELMA" is significant, because the city was originally built by the Turanians and was taken over by the 

wandering 

groups so-called "Latins" where even the name "LATIN" is 

suspicious. But 

before the city of "ROME", there was another Turanian capital city called "ALBA LONGA" in its altered form within 19 kilometers of the 

City 

of Rome.
With this entry we learn that the ancient and older name of ROME 

was 

ALBA LONGA or more likely KIZIL ALMA (Red Apple or Golden Apple) 

before 

it was converted into ROME.
About the name "ALBA LONGA"
In Cassell's Latin-English Dictionary, there is the following 

definition 

under the name ALBA. [2]
"ALBA, ALBAE, ALBA LONGA, the oldest Latin town. Adjective , 

ALBANUS -A, 

-UM, Alban; ALBENSES populi, people of Latium.
1. ALBANI, see Alba.
2. ALBANI or ALBANÖRUM, the Albanians; ALBANIa -ae, a country on 

the 

west of the Caspian; ALBANUS, Albanian".
The Webster's Collegiate Dictionary gives the following [3]:
"Albania, ancient country of East Caucasus region on west side of Caspian. - Albanian SHQYP'NIE or SHQIPENIA independent state, west Balkan , between Yugoslavia and Greece, capital TIRANA."
Regarding the country "Albania at the west of Caspian Sea", this is 

a 

rather vague way of describing a country. What they really mean is 

the 

Turkish country Azerbaijan but they don't want to say it - so they 

beat 

around the bush and describe it as a country west of Caspian.
The second name Albanian identified as a Balkan country is also identified with other names of SHQYP'NIE, SHQIPENIA and SHQIPERIA. 

The 

name SHQIPENIA seems to be made up of the Turkish words: "SHQY + 

BEN 

+ IA", that is, "ISHIK + BEN + ÖY" (BEN ISIK ÖYÜ) meaning "I am the 

home 

of light". This is understandable when we consider the fact that 

the 

ancient Turanians irrespective of where they were, would believe in 

the 

same deity system, that is, the Sun-god (ALGÜN), Moon-god (ALA AY), 

the 

supreme Sky-Father-God (AL-TANRI, L TANRI) and the sunlight without which the whole world would be left in total darkness and quickly 

frozen 

into solid ice in the unliveable environment of cold dark space.
We have from url: http://www.askphil.org/b25s.htm the following Albanian words that are alternative to the name 

Albania: "Shqipenie, 

Shqiperia, Shqiperija, Shqiperise, Shqipni, Shqipnija, Shqiponies, Shqiprari, Shqyptare: (Alb.) Albania."
For example when the name SHQIPERIA is rearranged as "PIR-ESHQ-IA", 

it 

is seen to be a restructured and disguised form of the Turkish expression "BIR ISHIQ ÖYÜ" meaning "it is one home of light" or "it 

is 

home of Sun". Of course this is equivalent to the word ALBANIA 

which is 

a form of the Turkish expression "AL ABA HANI" meaning "Home of Red Father" which again refers to the red/golden Sun. This also 

relates the 

ancient ALBANIA located at west of the Caspian sea with the ALBANIA 

in 

the Balkans. Evidently they were both Turkish speaking peoples at 

one 

time in the past before they were alieneated by changing their 

names 

Somehow their Turkish identity and names were changed under 

persecution 

and/or duress conditions.
Furthermore, the Latin word "ALBANUS" referring to the people of 

ALBA 

LONGA, that is, the people of LATIUM, also ties this people to the red/golden Sun worshipping Turanians and the ancient country of 

Albania 

in the Caucasus. The Latin term ALBANUS, describing Albanians, in the form of "AL-

BUS-AN" 

is a form of the Turkish expression "AL BASh AN" (KIZIL BASh AN) 

where 

AN suffix has two meanings: in one it means "sky" and in the other, 

it 

is the ancient Turkish "plurality suffix corresponding to 

present "LER, 

LAR" suffix. The Turkish term "AL BASh AN" (KIZIL BASh AN) means:
a) "RED or Golden Head of Sky" which refers to the Sun and the Moon 

in 

the sky, and,
b) "AL BAShLAR" (KIRMIZI BASLAR, KIZIL BASLAR, ALEVLILER) meaning 

people 

who believed in the "golden heads" of sky, and therefore, wore some 

red 

headdress in order to identify themselves with the trinity "AL" 

deities, 

that is, the "AL TANRI" concept (i.e., Red or Golden God). It is 

an 

Anatolian cultural fact that native Tur/Turk Anatolians always had 

a 

"red headdress" to identify their religious beliefs, and even the 

roofs 

of their homes were made with red bricks. This is just like some religious groups who wear "black" to identify their belief in 

a "black" 

god concept. The Islamic religious men (molla) wear a white 

headdress 

with red embellishment in the center. Additionally, during the 

Ottoman 

Empire, people of the same Islamic faith wore a red (al)-head-dress called "fez".
The present day "Cardinals" of the Christian church in Rome dress themselves in "red" and "purple". This is not coincidence, because Christianity took all of its tenets from the traditions of the 

ancient 

Turanians, such as the Etruscans and ALBA LONGAns.
In the above definitions the west of the Caspians Sea is also 

called an 

ancient land of Albania. From url:
http://www.zerbaijan.com/albania/caucasian-albania.html
we learn that the ancient Caucasian Albania also included the 

Karabag 

region of Azerbaijan. The Caucasian Albania was also 

called "Artsakh". 

It is a well known fact that these lands have always been the lands 

of 

Turanians. With this entry, the name ALBA LONGA (and the name 

ALBANIA) 

and the Turanians on the west side of the Caspian sea are connected 

to 

each other. The name ALBANIA is also the name of a Balkan country 

whose 

capital city is TIRANA or TIRANË.
It is curious that the name TIRANA or TIRANË, in one sense, is very 

much 

the Turkish expresion "TANRI ÖY" meaning "God's Home" and in 

another 

sense, is the Turkish "TURAN ÖY" meaning "Turan home". This 

identifies 

the reason why Albanians and the Ottoman Turks were so close to 

each 

other and they still are close. The name TIRANA, having the names 

of 

TANRI and TURAN embedded in it, is a reference to the Turanian 

identity 

of the Albanians. Could it be that the Balkan state Albania is a continuation of the ancient country ALBANIA in eastern Caucasus?
It is said that the city of ALBA LONGA near Rome was razed to the 

ground 

completely at 665 B.C. [4] by the Romans after a battle between the ROMANS of Rome and the "LATINS" of ALBA LONGA indicating that the "ROMANS" and "LATINS" were not the same people. In this context, 

the 

so-called name "ROMAN" is very much the name "RUM" while 

the "LATINS" of 

Latium were the ancient Turanian peoples from Altais. It must also 

be 

noted that the name LEBANON is also related to the name BAAL, ALBA, ALMA, ALABA, ALBANIA, ALBAShLAR, ALÖYLER, ALOYLAR, ALEVILER, 

ALERIAN 

indicating that they were all related people. LEBANONIAN who are 

the 

remnants of ancient so-called "PHOENICIANS" had nothing to do with 

the 

Semitic peoples. Phoenicians by another name TRYIANS (TURLAR) 

clearly 

indicates that they were TUR/TURK peoples. It is curious that 

presently 

the country of Lebanon is also being intentionally destroyed by the Semites with the consent of the western powers.
Since the Latin language is an altered form of the ancient Turkish language, just like all of the other Indo-European and Semitic languages, the old Turanian names of villages, towns, cities and 

lands 

were also all altered after the wanderers usurped them from the 

native 

Turanians. Similarly the name "ALBA LONGA" also became an altered 

name 

from its older Turkic form.
Most likely the name "ALBA" was originally in the form of 

Turkish "ALMA" 

meaning "apple". We find the Turkish word "ALMA" (ELMA) in an 

altered 

form in the Italian language in the form of "MELA" 

meaning "apple". 

[5] Similarly, the Latin word "MALUM" means an "apple, peach, pomegranate, etc.." [6] When the word is rearranged as "ALM-UM", 

it 

becomes a form of the Turkish word "ALMAYUM" meaning "I am apple". 

These 

correspondences cannot be due to coincidence. Evidently these two "Latin" words have been restructured from the Turkish word "ALMA 

(ELMA)".

The name "ALBA LONGA", when rearranged letter-by-letter as "ALGON-

ALBA", 

(where B and M are readily interchangeable because they are labial sounds), is seen as the restructured Turkish name "ALGUN ALMA" 

meaning 

"Red-Sun Apple", or "KIZIL-GÜN ALMA" meaning "Golden-Sun Apple", or "KIZIL ALMA" meaning "Golden Apple". This describes not only 

a "golden 

yellow apple" or "golden red apple" as a fruit, but also the golden/red-sun itself. Turkish ALGON (ALGÜN, KIZIL GÜN) means "Red 

Sun" 

or the "Golden Sun" and a day with "golden daylight" or "golden sunlight". Thus the archaic name of the so-called "ALBA LONGA", 

most 

likely was Turkish "ALGON ALMA" meaning "Golden Apple" or "KIZIL 

ALMA" 

in Turkish referring to the sacred beings Sun and Moon.
Turkish "AL-TANRI" (KIZIL TANRI) meaning "Red-God" or the "Golden 

God" 

refers to the ancient Turanian Sun-God. Turkish "ALA-TANRI" 

meaning the 

"Spotted-God" refers to the Moon-God. And Turkish "AALAA (ALA) 

TANRI" 

meaning "The Supreme God" refers to the "Sky-Father-God".
The adjectives "AL, ALA and ALA or ALI" are all embedded in the 

Turkish 

term "AL" which was one of the many Turkic names for the ancient Turanian trinity Sky-God concept. For example, the ancient name of 

BAAL 

for GOD was nothing but the Turkish expression "ABA (APA) AL" 

meaning 

"Father-Red" or "Golden Father". This name BAAL can readily be rearranged as "ALBA" and still mean "AL ABA" (AL APA), that is, the 

name 

of Sky-God in Turkish. As noted the name ALBA is also in the name 

of 

the ancient city of "ALBA LONGA".
Furthermore, in the mythological stories related to "Adam and Eve", supposedly "God" ordered them not to eat from the "APPLE" tree. 

Could it 

be that somebody was giving a secret message of: "do not 

follow "ALMA" 

or "ALBA" (BAAL) deity, if you do, that is a sin? In fact, Turkish "ALMA" in one sense means "apple" but in another sense it is a 

command 

meaning "do not take it". These two meanings, when put together, 

form 

"Do not take the Apple", that is, do not follow that "Red Apple" 

religion.

The Turkish term AL has been retained as the article AL in Arabic 

and 

similarly as EL in some European languages. In Judeo-Christianity, 

the 

article EL signifies the Turkish word "YEL" meaning "wind". This 

was the 

case for the ancient Akkadians when they adopted the name EN-LIL 

(HAN YEL).

Thus we see that KIZIL ALMA in Turkish, while it is a descriptive expression literally defining a "RED APPLE" and also a "GOLDEN 

APPLE" 

fruit , on the other hand it metaphorically refers to the Sky-God deities of the ancient Turanians. Hence the original name of Rome 

was 

a name of God in Turkish. That is why the so-called Pontifex 

Maximus, 

Chief priest of Rome would not or could not be allowed to say it loudly. That is also why anyone saying the original Turanian name 

of 

Rome would be punished by death. The name "Rome" is simply an artificial name invented to cover up the original Turkish name for 

this 

ancient religiously sacred city of the Turanians. This sacred city whose original name was replaced with "Rome" or "Roma" related to 

the 

concept of "wanderer") is the top city of Christianity since the 

birth 

of this late religion.
It is most likely that Ziya Gökalp in his poem "KIZIL ELMA" was referring not only to ancient Turan but also to the ancient glory 

of 

Turan which gave civilization to the world.
At this point I must also indicate, as a passing comment, that the 

name 

"ALGON" is also embedded in the name of the North-American Native Peoples so-called "ALGONQUIAN". Most likely this name is from the Turkish expression "ALGÜN-GÖYLÜLER" meaning "Those who are the 

followers 

of the Golden Sun and Sky" or "ALGÜN-KÖYLÜLER" meaning "Red Sun worshiping villagers" or "Golden Sun worshipping villagers". The 

name 

ALGONQUIAN is defined as: "An Indian people of the Ottawa river valley". [7]
REFERENCES:
[1] Redhouse Turkish-English Dictionary, Istanbul, 1987, p. 662.
[2] Cassal's Compact Latin-English, English-Latin Dictionary, 

1962, 

p. 12.
[3] Webster's Collegiate Dictionary 5th edition Springfield, 

Mass. 

USA, 1947, Pronouncing Gazetteer Section, p. 1185.
[4] Webster's Collegiate Dictionary 5th edition, 1947, 

Pronouncing 

Gazetteer Section, p. 1185.
[5] C. Graglia's "new Pocket dictionary of the Italian and 

english 

Languages", London, New York, 1864, p. 240 and 464.
[6] Cassal's Compact Latin-English, English-Latin Dictionary, 

1962, 

p. 151.
[7] Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary, 1991, p. 70.
Best wishes to all,
Polat Kaya
July 23, 2006
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Gazetenin manseti dikkat cekmek kaygisiyla sectigi belli.
Zaten bildigim kadariyla "italyan" bir millet adi degildi. Italya adi verilen yarimada'da yasayanlara verilen addir.
Gercek manset Etrusklerin tipki Turkler, Macarlar gibi Turani bir kavim oldugu yonunde olmaliydi ama tabi ki onemli olan "adamin kopegi isirmasi"
Haberin altindaki yorumlarda Etrusklerin Romalilar tarafindan ortadan kaldirilmis (soykirim, asimilasyon) oldugu belirtiliyor ama sanirim belirtilmesi gereken bir sey de Roma'nin da aslen bir Etrusk sehri oldugu ve o sehirde cikan ayaklanma ile Etrusk yonetim dusurulduktan sonra Roma'nin tarih sahnesine cikmasidir. Daha sonra komsu Etrusk sehirlerini de yok edince Roma Roma olmustur.
Yani Italya'nin yerlileri medeniyeti Turani bir kavim olan Etrusklerden ogrendikten sonra onlari isgal ve asimilasyon yoluyla eritmislerdir. Tipki bugunku Bulgaristan'in temelinin Turkce konusan Bulgarlara dayandigi halde simdi hepsinin yerli unsur olan slavlara donusmus olmasi gibi.
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Burcin Aydogdu
Tonyukuk Kagan <tonyukuk_kagan@...> wrote:
Polat abi,
Dikkat ederseniz Toscana üniversitesinde yapýlan araþtýrmalar Ýtalyanlarýn genleriyle deðil Etrükslerin genleriyle ilgilidir. Ben yanlýzca gazete baþlýðýný konu baþlýðýna taþýdým. Tabii ki bu Ýtalyanlarla Türkler arasýnda bir gen akrabalýðýnýn olmadýðý anlamýna gelmiyor. Örneðin Bulgar kaðaný Kubrat hanýn oðlu Alzeco (Alçak) kendine baðlý birliklerle Ýtalya'nýn kuzeyine yerleþiyor. Bugün dahi Ýtalya'da Bulgar adýyla bir topluluk vardýr vb. Bulgar mevzuu Türklerle Ýtalyanlar arasýnda gen akrabalýðýný tesis edecek noktalardan yanlýzca biri. Kýsacasý Türklerin Ýtalyanlarla tarihin pek çok döneminde kar
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yacute;þýp kaynaþtýðý aþikar bir gerçek.
Selamlar ve saygýlar
Polat Kaya <tntr@...> wrote:
Tonyukuk Kagan,
Merhaba. Bu sorun çok önemli. Evet Italyanlar Türklükten uzaklastirilmis Altayli bir grup. Romalilar zamaninda ve Hiristiyanligin Avrupaya yayilmasini saglamak için, Avrupanin aslen Turanli ve Türkçe konusan en eski yerli halklari hem soykirima ugratilmis, ve hem de geride kalanlara, hayatlarini kaybetme korkusu ile, dili, dini ve adlari degistirilmek suretiyle, Türk kimlikleri kendilerine unutturulmustur görüsündeyim. Etrüskler, Saka Türkleri ve Pelasgian diye bilen "BALIKCI" (denizci) Türkler, "simdiki Avrupalidan önce" Avrupada yasayan Turanli insanlardi. Onlar hep yok edilmisler ve bambaska adlar ile dünyaya tanitilmislardir. Derler ki Avrupada bes milyonu askin kadin ve erkek "cadi" suçlamasi ile yakilip öldürülmüslerdir. Bu öldürülenler her halde "Avrupalilarin" kendi kadinlari ve erkekleri degildiler. Çok olasilikla onlar binlerce seneden beri Avrupayi kendilerine vatan edinmis, eski Turan dinine inanan Turanlilar idiler. Bu tarihcilerin üzerinde düsünmeleri gereken çok önemli bir husus. Bu konuda ayrintili bir yaziyi gruba gönderebilecegimi ümid ediyorum. Kal saglikla.
Selam ve sevgi ile,
Polat Kaya
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Ingilizcenin 2. resmi dil olmasi kapsamina tanimlanan - talep edien seylerin tamami ve fazlasi Turkiyemizde bulunmuyor mu? Bir tek adi '2. resmî dil' degil. kurtceydi, yok yerel dil ve lehcelerde televizyon yayiniydi filan derken bizi, Polat Kaya'nin dogru tabiriyle, yaban kazi avina gonderiyorlar ama arka taraftan basta cevirmenler olmak uzere en kilit noktalardaki savunmamizi kirip Ingilizceyi 2. resmî dilimiz yapmis durumdalar. Aksini kim soyleyebilir, bunu kim inkâr edebilir? Yurdumuzun bircok yerinde sokak adlari ve tabelalar Turkce ve Ingilizce degil mi? Bazi guney tatil beldelerimizde Turkce iletisim bile kalkmis durumda degl mi? Resmi evraklarimiz cift dilde hazirlanmiyor mu? Azerbeycan ile devlet duzeyindeki yazismalarimizi Ingilizce yapmiyor muyuz? Ana okulundan itbaren ingilizce egitimi zornlu hale getirilmedi mi? Turkiye'de Inilizce bilmeyene nasil muamele edildigini hepimiz bilmiyor muyuz? Peki ya Danimarka bu kapsamdaki bir olusumu / donusumu '2. resmî dil' olarak tanimlayabilirken, bize ne oluyor da, konuyu bu gecek boyutundan bakip goremiyoruz? Bu degerlendirmeyi yapmamiza engel olan mantiksal gerekcemiz nedir? Neden biz Ingilizcenin anavatanimizda bugun uturmakt oldugu tahti, gelmis oldugu konumu 2.resmî dil olark gormemekteyiz?
Goruyorsak o halde neden buna engel olamiyoruz? Millî Egitim Bakanlarimiz mufredata Q, W, X harflerini yerlestirebiliyor ve yetmiyormus gibi bir de bunun savunmasini yapabiliyor hepimin karsisina dikilip, yok efendim neymis o, bebelerimiz bati alfablerini tanisinlarmis... Ataturk onca devrimi yaparken bu ayrintiyi dusunememisti cunku, degil mi!
Kamil
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Danimarka halký Avrupa'da en çok dil bilen halktýr. Halkýn yarýsý 

en az üç dil bilir. Ben hep Danimarka insanýnýn ayný anda hem Ýngilizce hem de Almanca gibi pek çok dile hakim olmasýnýn ardýnda yatan sebebin gerek dillerinin gerekse kendilerinin ýrki açýdan Cermen kökenli olmasý olmasýnda yattýðýný düþünürdüm. Þimdi anlaþýlýyor ki, onlarda dahi dünyadaki Kraliyetçi takýmýn yaratmak istediði, içinde yanlýzca Ýngilizce denen ne idiði belirsiz bir dilin konuþulacaðý bir dünya düzeninin uðrunda çalýþan hain takýmý varmýþ. Doðrusu hain yetiþtirmekte dünya birinciliðine oynayan Türkiye'ye Danimarka gibi batýlý bir ülkeden meydan okunmasý beni oldukça þaþýrttý. Ancak ortada garipsenecek bir durumda yok. Çok sevdiðim bir Rus atasözü der ki: ''Para her insaný satýn almaz ama her insanýnýn da satýn alýnacak deðeri vardýr''. Türkiye'de olduðu gibi gerçekte beþ para etmez deðerlerini ve vicdanlarýný binlerce dolar karþýlýðýnda satan bir takýmýn Danimarka da varlýðý herhalde onlarýn

 da bizim gibi eðitim sisteminde geçtiðini gösteriyor. Bir zamanlar 

600 yýl kadar Ýngiltereyi yönetmiþ Vikinglerin torunlarýnýn bu duruma düþmesi çok ibretlik bir tablo. Yakýnda bizden de bir parti baþkaný çýkýp da ayný öneriyi getirirse þaþýrmayýn.

 Kamil KARTAL <kamil.kartal@...> wrote:
One of Denmark's major political parties aims to give
English equal status with Danish in Denmark:
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Road signs in English and official documents in both Danish
and English - and English teaching right from kindergarten
class.
A number of representatives of the business community and
the educational system propose that Denmark should be
bilingual - with English given much the same status as
Danish, writes the newspaper 24 Hours.
These demands spring from an initiative to be launched by
the Danish Social Liberal Party on Thursday, and which aims
to make Denmark bilingual.
Can get by without Danish
"We would be better positioned if English was our official
second language. We can get by without Danish, but without
English it would be impossible," said IBM deputy director
Kim Østrup to 24 Hours."
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Dear friends,

Greetings.. I want to share with you a new article of mine which provides a new understanding of the name "NARMER" who was an ancient Masarian (wrongly "Egypt") king who ruled his country about the Nile River around the year 3,200 B.C.  An ancient artifact  called "NARMER PALETTE" carries his name and more information.  In this paper I give my reading of  his name and more.  I hope you will have time to read it at url:

http://www.polatkaya.net/Narmer_%28Oguz%29.htm


Best wishes to all,

Polat Kaya

 

Under Atenism, Tutankhamun was named Tutankhaten, which in Egyptian hieroglyphs is:

Technically, this name is transliterated as twt-ˁnḫ-ỉtn.

At the reintroduction of the old pantheon, his name was changed. It is transliterated as twt-ˁnḫ-ỉmn ḥq3-ỉwnw-šmˁ, and often realised as Tutankhamun Hekaiunushema, meaning "Living image of Amun, ruler of Upper Heliopolis". On his ascension to the throne, Tutankhamun took a praenomen. This is translated as nb-ḫprw-rˁ, and realised as Nebkheperure, meaning "Lord of the forms of Re". The name Nibhurrereya in the Amarna letters may be a variation of this praenomen.

After having said this, we turn back to the diagram above.  The diagram does not seem to be an original one. Additionally, in the above given description below the diagram, it is not clearly explained how they came up with the meaning "Living image of Amun" for the rearranged name of "TUTANKHAMUN". That is why I questioned its validity in my "Tutankhamen" paper.

The above cartouche, under the entry "ATHENISM", seems to be missing a part of the original text. They are accentuating the term "ATEN" using the "ITN" transliteration of the first three symbols.  The transliterated "ITN" is being read as "ATEN".  Although they do not explain  what ITN or ATEN stands for, I say "ATEN" (AT-EN) is an expression standing for Turkish "ATA HAN" meaning "Father Lord" (i.e., universal creator God")  and/or "OT HAN" (OD HAN) meaning "Fire Lord" referring to "Sun-God".  The Fire-Lord (sun) being the "fire and seeing eye" of the universal Father God, makes them one and the same. The person and his eyes cannot be regarded as separate entities. The ancient Masarians,  being Turanians, were always SUN, MOON and universal FATHER GOD believers. Bringing a reform or rejuvenation in the ancient Masarian religion implies that there were name changes used for the Sky-god, that is, they  used Amun first, then Aten, and then back to Amun again.

The above cartouche writing, in the given order, can be transliterated as "A-T-N-UTU-TUT-ANKH" which is not the same as the transliterated form "TUT-ANKH-ITN". In the shown transliteration, at the very least, the order of words are wrong. They are mixed or rearranged.  The first set of symbols is now appearing at the end of the title. My transliteration of the picture-writing can be read in Turkish as: "ATa-hAN UTU TUTAN KaH", that is,

a)  "ATA HAN UTU TUTAN KAH" meaning "Father Lord  is the that who holds Fate or Life", 
b)  "ATA HAN UTU TUTAN HAK" meaning "Father Lord  is the Sun-God who holds Fate or Life". In these two readings of the above cartouche text, the universal father-God and the Sun-God are honorably mentioned. Furthermore, 

c)  "ATA HAN UTU TUTAN HAK" meaning "Father Lord He is holding Justice".  In this form the expression describes the King as the "Father Lord" which, by appointment, He was. As King of the country, He was the Father Lord!. Because Tutankhamen is shown holding the coronation sceptres, that is, a crook ("HEK" (HAQ) meaning Justice in Turkish) and a flail ("whip", i.e. a special whip made up from "ox skin" or Turkish "okuz gön" (reminding us "o göz gün", that is, "Oguz Gün") called "TURA" representing the "state power".  ["TÜRKÇE SÖZLÜK" Hazirlayan "Mehmet Ali AGAKAY, T.D.K. Yayinlari, Yeni Matbaa, Ankara, 1959, p. 420; "Latin "TAUREA" or "TAURAE" meaning "a whip of bull's hide", Cassell's "Compact Latin-English English-Latin Dictionary", Cassel, London, 1962, p. 248]), he is claiming that he is the one who holds state power and justice. 

Here Turkish OD is "fire", HAN is "lord", UTU is the name of "Sun-God" and also means "he is", TUTANG (TUTAN) means "he who holds, he who rules" and KH can be taken as "KAH" meaning "fate" or "life" or  "HAK" meaning "Justice".

The "Egyptian" KA is defined as : "In Egyptian religion, the genius or the spiritual self: believed to dwell in man and images and to survive in the tomb." [Encyclopaedia Britannica Dictionary, 1963, p. 694].   The Turkish word for "fate" is "KADER" or "KA-DIR" meaning "it is KA". Hence we have an affinity between the Masarian word "KA" (KAH) and the Turkish "KADER" or "KA'DIR". Additionally the English "genius" meaning "spiritual self", in the form of "GEN-SUI", is the Anglicized form of the Turkish expression "CAN SUI" (CAN SUYU) meaning "life water".  The Turkish word "CAN" means "life" and "CAN SUYU" (KAN) means "blood".  The body dies when "CAN" (KA) leaves the body and "blood" stops flowing in the body. 

The "Egyptologists" also mention the transliteration of twt-ˁnḫ-ỉmn ḥq3-ỉwnw-šmˁ, read as Tutankhamun Hekaiunushema. The last word Hekaiunushema in the form of Hekaiun-u-shema  is very much the Turkish expression "HAKAN-U SEMA" meaning "Great Lord of Sky" where HAKAN-U  is "Great Lord of" and SEMA is "sky".  Thus this expression in Turkish describes the King "Tutankhamun" as the "Supreme Lord of Sky", that is "GÖK HAKAN" or "HAKAN-U SEMA" in Turkish.  Again we have an explanation and corroboration in Turkish.

Additionally it says that: On his ascension to the throne, Tutankhamun took a praenomen.  The Latin name PRAENOMEN refers to the first name of a person and "throne" name (title) of the King. When the Latin word PRAENOMEN is rearranged in the form "PER-ON-NAME", it can be seen as the restructured, Romanized and disguised form of the Turkish expression "PIR ÖN NAMI" meaning "one first name", and additionally,  "PIR HAN NAMI" meaning "One Lord Name" (One Ruler name) or "one sky name".  This is the name of deification and the name of "coronation", that is, "King Title".  Again we find that even this so-called "Latin" word is based on Turkish language. At this point it must also be noted that words EMIN or AMIN are very widely used male first-names in Turkish culture.  Thus, it is clear that this Turkish name also appeared in the form of "AMEN" or "AMUN" as the first name of the King so-called "Tutankh-Amun" of ancient Masar. Hence, this again verfies the Turkishness of this king's name. I am sure many "Egyptologists" do not know these facts from Turkish source.

"The King "Tutankhamen" was the supreme ruler of the state of Masar (Misir) and hence, was "Hakan" himself.  Therefore, his being given a title that carries the Turkish word "HAQAN" (HAKAN) is quite normal and expected. In ancient times, a person when being elevated to sit at the throne of the supreme ruler, was expected to be given a "lordly" and/or "godly" name. This is what the linguistic source text in Turkish used to manufacture the "Latin" word PRAENOMEN is saying and that is what I am showing to be the case here.

(Please see the diagram of Attachment 2 below)

As we all can see, this Turkic word "HAQAN" has been dropped from the reading of the cartouche text although it is there. Yet the Greek name "Heliopolis" is pushed forward as if the name of the city of "ON/AN" was "Heliopolis" at year 1350 B.C.  or earlier. It appears as if no effort is spared in order to alienate the ancient King names from their Turanian (Turkish) source.

The symbol named "Upper" in the given symbol list has a phonetic value of "SU" attributed to it.  It is a shortened form referring to the ancient  "Upper Egypt" where presently the country of "SUDAN" is located. Since this is a picture writing system, while it may have a phonetic value of "SU", it is equally likely that it could be read as Turkish word "S, US, USU, ISU, IShU" as well.  We note that many king names, while they were the king of only "Upper Egypt" (upper Nile), have a writing in front of their cartouche names in the form "S-T-N" or "SU-T-N". For example, the names of the kings in Masarian (Misir) Dynasties I, II, III, IV and V have this writing,  [Sir Wallis Budge, "An Egyptian Hieroglyphic Dictionary", 1920, Dover Publications.  p. 917-921].  But this Hieroglyphic writing not only expresses the name SUTAN  (which is the country name "SUDAN" which was part of ancient "Egypt"), but also the Turkish names ISTAN meaning "God", ISITAN meaning "One who heats" that is the "sun", "IShITAN" meaning "one who lights" again that is the"sun" and "ÜSTHAN" meaning "Top Lord".  All of these refer to the Sun and the Sky-God - but in Turkish.

Thus, we see that whichever way we examine these hieroglyphic symbols, we are finding "Turkishness" in them although no "Egyptologist" so far has come forward and say anything about the Turkishness of these names.  However, they are all conveniently named as "Egyptian" meaning "of the Gypsy people".

Dear Dr. Kaya,
Not being an Egyptologist or a linguist for that matter, I am not certain if I can argue with your interpretation of Tut-Ankh-Amun's name as given below. 
However,  Egyptologists are, I believe, of the opinion as presented in the link below.
I will prefer to leave it at that.
Regards,
Ram
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tutankhamun 
 
 
 

Polat Kaya <tntr@...> wrote:

Dear Friends,


Greetings to all. I want to share with you a new paper regarding the cartouche title of the ancient Masarian (Misir) King, so-called "TUTANKHAMEN". The title of my paper is:

NEW LIGHT ON THE INCORRECT READING OF "TUTANKHAMEN" ("Tutankhamen" was a HAKAN of the Ancient Turanian State of Masar / Misir).  Since I have included some pictures in the essay, I did not put it in my Polat Kaya Library, at least for the time being. But you will find this new essay at url: http://www.polatkaya.net/tut_cartouche.htm


Best wishes to you all,

Polat Kaya

I would think that many Turkish words are derived from other Turkish words, that they have an internal derivation, so they have a structured morphology. Classical Greek has a structured morphology, Latin has a structured morphology, Ancient Hebrew has a structured morphology, Classical Arabic has a structured morphology.
If a language is believed to be the Original Language, then it probably has one of the more internally derived forms, that many of the words are derived from other words in the language, and such a language has few root words.
I think to prove that a language is ancient or original you must prove that it is highly ordered in derivational morphology. I can give many examples from English, and many from Ancient Hebrew, but it is the Ancient Hebrew examples that are more ordered. If Turkish has a simplicity and regularity and internally derived morphology, then may be it could be the Original Language.
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The problem with this analysis is that it does not take into account the regularity of word formation in Latin which is where this word comes from. I am not at home now, so I can not check my Latin dictionary. But I can tell you that typically in English the prefix 'in-' means "not", the word is formed with the root 'fluen'. I will have to check for the meaning of the root to see how this was formed, but it seems like in- fluen- meaning something like "not fluent" refering to little movement, as the sick person is bed bound. Or not breathing at a normal capacity, which would be "fluent". (fluent is also in the sense of "free flow".
Dave
--- In historical_linguistics_2@yahoogroups.com, Polat Kaya <tntr@...> wrote:

Dear Friends,
In this essay, I will analyze the so-called English 

word "INFLUENZA" 

meaning "a highly contagious viral disease characterized by fever, muscular aches and pains, and inflammation of the respiratory 

passages. 

[C18: < It., lit.: INFLUENCE, hence, incursion, epidemic (first 

applied 

to influenza in 1743)]" [1, p. 580]. According to this 

definition, we 

are led to believe that this is an Indo-European word that was 

first 

used in the 18th century and that it comes from 

Italian "INFLUENCE". 

But there does not seem to be an Italian word in the 

form "INFLUENCE" 

although there is the Italian word "INLUENZA" or "INFLUNZIA" 

meaning 

"influence" in English, [2, p. 205]. The truth, however, is very different from this dictionary given "etymology".
First of all, I want to point out that the symptoms of the 

INFLUENZA, 

such as muscular aches and pains, fever, and inflammation of the respiratory passages, are the symptoms of a bad case of common 

cold, yet 

the word "cold" is not mentioned in the definition of "INFLUENZA". 

It is 

like they are dancing around the word "cold" but they don't want 

to say 

"cold". Nevertheless, the fact is that when one gets 

the "INFLUENZA", 

he/she really just has a "bad cold". The Redhouse English -

Turkish 

Dictionary [3, p. 504 ] defines INFLUENZA as "grip hastaligi, 

salgin 

nezle" in Turkish meaning "wide-spread bad cold".
Now let us examine the makeup of "INFLUENZA". When "INFLUENZA" is rearranged letter-by-letter as "FINU-NEZLA" or "FENA NIZL-U", we 

see the 

Turkish expression "FENA NEZLE" meaning "bad cold", or "FENA NEZLE 

O" 

meaning "it is bad cold" - which is what "INFLUENZA" is. The 

letters in 

this Turkish expression have been rearranged and some vowels 

altered in 

order to come up with the disguised form "INFLUENZA". Those 

linguists 

who manufactured the word "INFLUENZA" from Turkish "FENA NEZLE" 

or "FENA 

NEZLE O" rearranged it in such a way that they could use the 

excuse of 

the word "INFLUENCE" as if it was the etymological source. 

Although this 

is clever sophistry, "INFLUENCE" is not the source for "INFLUENZA" because they are two different concepts. The dictionary etymology 

of 

"INFLUENCE" is simply used to divert the attention away from the 

real 

source - which is Turkish "FENA NEZLE" or "FENA NEZLE O".
The English and Italian languages are full of such words that have been fraudulently transferred to them from Turkish - without 

anybody 

suspecting the committed linguistic robbery. And the world has 

been 

superbly conned into believing that the English and Italian 

languages 

are authentic languages, and that they are members of an ancient 

and 

authentic language family called "Indo-Aryan" or "Indo-European".
This essay, along with my other essays, repeatedly shows that the 

truth 

regarding the make up of the "Indo-Aryan" or "Indo-European" 

languages 

is very different from the presented false picture. The fact is 

that 

they have all been intentionally and secretly manufactured from 

that 

so-called "proto" language which in fact was the "birata" (one-

father) 

language of Turkish. The world we live in has been built on an 

endless 

number of lies and deceptions
Best wishes to all,
Polat Kaya
1. The Collins Concise Dictionary, 1988.
2. C. Graglia's New Pocket Dictionary of the Italian and 

English 

Languages, london, New York, 1864.
3. Redhouse English - Turkish Dictionary, Istanbul, 1980.

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