Roy,

Do you have immediate plans for directly supporting the 3880?
I am holding back from generating curves using the 3800 driver in case a release
is around the corner. Didn't want to waste the time, paper etc

If not then I will press ahead

Thanks

Beardie

I've generally gone off of Roy's curves using them as standards (they
are very similar to each-other from printer to printer) (Warm/Cool/
Cool-Sepia/Sepia)  But then I've created Warm-Sepia and Neutral.
Neutral is never that perfect, however, so I've always had to tone
with either cool or warm (or both) to get the print looking good. So
when I build QTR color curves I also like to create
custom.presets.plist files—for OS X—(and of course Create ICC
profiles) to go along with them. Because all the paper bases are so
different I think it would be pretty hard to create specific LaB
standards, but my goals have always been a visual approximation of
either Roy's QTR AB values or Jon Cone's Neutral/WN/SL AB values.

Walker


On Feb 9, 2010, at 12:31 PM, tboleyyh wrote:

> Obviously there are some established conventions for making curve
> sets and providing them to the community- Warm, sepia, etc etc...
> and it's easy to see what inks were used to make each of these.
> I'm wondering if there have been any loose targets set to try to hit
> with each one, to keep consistency amongst the available curves from
> printer model to printer model...
> Anyone know, or is it purely approximate, visual..?
> I'd like to design some that suit my needs, and then make them
> available if successful, and they might as will meet the established
> conventions so they are most useful to other users.
> Thanks,
> Tyler
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Obviously there are some established conventions for making curve sets and
providing them to the community- Warm, sepia, etc etc... and it's easy to see
what inks were used to make each of these.
I'm wondering if there have been any loose targets set to try to hit with each
one, to keep consistency amongst the available curves from printer model to
printer model...
Anyone know, or is it purely approximate, visual..?
I'd like to design some that suit my needs, and then make them available if
successful, and they might as will meet the established conventions so they are
most useful to other users.
Thanks,
Tyler

Hi Everyone

I am new to Quadtone and will be using this with my Epson 2200 with standard
epsone ink set. Does anyone have any info on a curve to use with Photorag and
Photorag satin paper. I have not come up with anything doing searches at this
time.

Thanks
Robert

Hi George,

I recommend using the SilverRag profiles -- its very similar to
Exhibition paper.
The "raw" curves are un-linearized so are for making new curves not regular use.

With a R2400 I'd mainly use the 1440x1440super resolution but 2880 may show
less banding if you notice any.

Roy

On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 2:21 PM, glemasurier
<george.lemasurier@...> wrote:
> Loving the program so far, especially how quickly it prints on my 2400
compared to ABW. I have a few questions perhaps someone could help me with,
pleawe?
>
> 1.  I notice that the same file in QTR prints lighter than in ABW. Is this
something I'm doing wrong or is it common to have to prep the file darker than
for ABW? I increased the ink to +18 to get even close.
>
> 2.  Will there be curves for Epson's Exhibition Fiber Paper? Right now I'm
using the "UCpk-raw" curves. Are these the right ones?
>
> 3.  I notice the instructions say the curves are built for 1440. I usually
print in 2880 in ABW and I'm wondering about the differences in the 1440, 1440
super, 1440 x1440 and so on. Which one is recommended for the 2400 and EFP with
the K3 inkset?
>
> Thanks,
> George
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

I am using Pieziography K6 inks with QTR, Epson 1400  and Mac OS 10.5.

Has anyone upgraded a similar configuration to OS 10.6?

Also, how can I determine what release of QTR is on my system?

thanks

I've slain the profiling beast. I finally managed to profile the 7000 with the
StepWedge tool. How did I do it? I don't know. (Seriously.) It took guesswork,
boiled lizard tails and a redwood grove's worth of 21-step printouts.

A special thank-you to Shilesh, Kent B. and John L., all three of whom very
generously offered their help off-list.

The two things that really solved it:

(1) This printer physically has trouble printing darkest darks. The 100% and 95%
levels show almost the same L values in the plain-vanilla 21-step file used by
the StepWedge. I finally realized that this lack of differentiation was
triggering the "error" msg. Solution: I lied. I arbitrarily changed L values for
95% and 100% to numbers that wouldn't choke the QTR tools.

(2) I got bad results linearizing against a Kodak Q13 greyscale card. I tried
every print/scan/setting/workaround, but the result was always way too dark.
Solution: Shilesh suggested linearizing against another printer's 21-step file
(instead of against the Q13). So, I printed a 21-step on a 2200 with K7 that
prints nicely, and StepWedged against that. This worked. All it needed was final
tweaking in the darkest darks to compensate, I suppose, for my earlier "lie."

Of course, tweaking took another day, printing/scanning endless 21-step files,
examining L values, adjusting the curve (ink limits! gamma! highlghts/darks
boosting or whatever that means!) to get the flattest possible curve in the
darkest-darks.

And that's that. Adios .






--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "jespes" <jesse@...> wrote:
>
>
> Roy,
>
> Bad news (for me): I started from scratch -- fresh carts, brand new K6 inks,
flushed printer with cleaning fluid, new inks absolutely in correct slots -- and
still have the problem of being too dark through the midranges, then a sharp
falloff. This problem:
>
> http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4056/4304293462_f5d52b1d3b_b.jpg
>
> So, I'm back where I started.
>
> Any other ideas? I feel very close: I am able to mostly correct for it with an
adjustment  curve in Photoshop created by eyeball. But I'd like to do better if
at all possible.
>
> Thanks and best,
> JP
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "jespes" <jesse@> wrote:
> >
> > Roy:
> > Wow. Thanks. I'll bite the bullet and start fresh. I did pick up secondhand
K7 Neutral from someone switching inksets. Mislabeled or mixed bottles maybe.
Because I'm very sure I didn't mix. Anyway, ugh.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Jesse,
> > >
> > > In looking at the linearize numbers you had before, I'm pretty sure you
> > > have inks that are not the correct density.  This produces a curve that is
> > > too much to linearize -- hence the error.   To use the inks you have, you
need
> > > to refigure out the relative densities of the inks.  This means you need
to
> > > do the inkseparation file in calibration mode.  See Calibration.pdf
> > > But if you buy inks again they may not be the same.
> > >
> > > Roy
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 9:52 AM, jespes <jesse@> wrote:
> > > > Roy and anyone else who's listening:
> > > >
> > > >  Argh.
> > > >
> > > >  I tried Roy's guidance below for printing the untagged 21-step file.
But, now, when I try to create the curve by running the Install7000-K6.command,
I get this error:
> > > >
> > > > Invalid linearize curve -- not constantly increasing
> > > >
> > > > Question: Is there a step-by-step "how to make a QTR curve for dummies"
anywhere out there? I'm at wit's end with the StepWedge tool. I've read every
document I can find on quadtonerip.com. I've pieced together clues from the
Eye-One-ReadMe.pdf, the calibration instructions -- everything I can find.
> > > >
> > > > I understand in principle what the StepWedge tool is trying to do. But I
cannot seem to make it work.
> > > >
> > > > Help?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "jespes" <jesse@> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Roy,
> > > >>
> > > >> Many thanks. I'm away from the printer now so can't redo my
linearization at this moment, but: Do you think this solves my issue (described
below)?
> > > >>
> > > >> Basically, I'm trying to use StepWedge to linearize a 7000 with K6
inks. I'm a newbie at linearization. And it's resulting in prints that are much
too dark.
> > > >>
> > > >> My step-by-step process is outlined below in this email chain.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks again,
> > > >> JP
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > In CS4 the "no color management" selection is broken.   So to get the
same
> > > >> > result you need to leave the file as "untagged", and print with
> > > >> > photoshop manages
> > > >> > color and the print profile set to the working space.   For
calibration mode use
> > > >> > the RGB working space and for the regular Gray stepwedges use the
gray
> > > >> > working space.
> > > >> > (the idea here is to match the mode of the file).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Roy
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 10:14 AM, jespes <jesse@> wrote:
> > > >> > > Question: Does the StepWedge tool require me to print the 21-step
target untagged with no color management?
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > If so, how do I do that on CS4 on a Mac, which doesn't allow me to
select "no color management" in the print dialog box. Or am I misunderstanding
something?
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > I ask this question after noticing the following passage in the
"Eye-One-ReadMe.pdf" file:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Printing the Target Stepwedge Image
> > > >> > > Print targets with QTR and all the selections you want to profile
or linearize. The intended resolution is very important. The targets are
Untagged and should NOT be color managed in any way. Do not Convert an image.
Always print with No Color Management or Same As Source.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > thanks,
> > > >> > > JP
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "jespes" <jesse@> wrote:
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> I'm trying Roy's new StepWedge tool and running into obstacles. I
am a newbie at curves and and would be very appreciative if someone could look
at what I'm doing and offer any advice.
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> The setup: Snow Leopard Mac, Photoshop CS4. I don't have access to
a densitometer or spectrophotometer. The printer is an Epson 7000 with K6 inks.
Printer works fine. (Good nozzle checks etc.)
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> QTR's stock K6 curves for the 7000 get me close, but with one
major problem: They're not giving a smooth transition through the midtones.
Instead, the midtones stay too dark, then fall off sharply around 30%-40%.
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> When I try to modify the QTR profile following the instructions
with the StepWedge tool, do I get a smoother transition, but overall a MUCH,
MUCH DARKER result.
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> I've tried the StepWedge tool several times. Here's the basic
approach. Can you spot my mistake(s)?:
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> (1) I do a nozzle check on the printer to confirm all is well.
> > > >> > >> (2) Open the the "Step-21-gray.tif" in CS4.
> > > >> > >> (3) Since CS4 on the Mac won't let you print with "no color
management," I assign the tif a profile. I've tried several profiles, including
"QTR-Gray Lab."
> > > >> > >> (4) Print the tif on Epson Enhanced Matte, using the standard QTR
profile for EAM paper for the 7000. (Printer settings: 1400, unidirectional.)
> > > >> > >> (5) Using a Canon Lide 200 flatbed scanner, I scan the printout of
the tif alongside a standard Kodak Q13 grayscale card. (The Q13 is new.)
> > > >> > >> (6) Open the resulting side-by-side scan in CS4, and run the
StepWedge tool per instructions.
> > > >> > >> (7) Drop the resulting text file on to the "QTR-Linearize-Data"
script, which produces a new text file containing lots of data that I don't
understand, as well as a "linearize" line that looks roughly like this:
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> LINEARIZE="94.92 90.66 87.27 84.02 80.6 76.01 68.1 61.28 56.8
53.91 50.88 46.88 43.74 41.07 38.64 35.45 30.91 26.4 22.96 19.94 18.47"
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> (8) In my QTR folder, I create a new profile by making a copy of
QTR's standard EAM profile for the 7000.
> > > >> > >> (9) I open that copy, replace the "LINEARIZE" line in it with my
newly created "LINEARIZE" line, and then save and close my new profile.
> > > >> > >> (10) Then, I run the QTR 7000 install script. (This makes my newly
created profile show up properly in my printer-dialogue box).
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> Lastly, I make a test print with my newly created profile and the
test print is very, very dark.
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> Whew. That was a lot of words. Does any of that make sense? Do you
see any obvious problems in my process?
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> Many thanks to all for any advice. I feel like I'm very close with
this printer....
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> All the best,
> > > >> > >> JP
> > >
> >
>

Loving the program so far, especially how quickly it prints on my 2400 compared
to ABW. I have a few questions perhaps someone could help me with, pleawe?

1.  I notice that the same file in QTR prints lighter than in ABW. Is this
something I'm doing wrong or is it common to have to prep the file darker than
for ABW? I increased the ink to +18 to get even close.

2.  Will there be curves for Epson's Exhibition Fiber Paper? Right now I'm using
the "UCpk-raw" curves. Are these the right ones?

3.  I notice the instructions say the curves are built for 1440. I usually print
in 2880 in ABW and I'm wondering about the differences in the 1440, 1440 super,
1440 x1440 and so on. Which one is recommended for the 2400 and EFP with the K3
inkset?

Thanks,
George

I suspect you're right, that it really doesn't matter what the printer profile
is.  My exchange with Roy only related to using Gray Gamma 2.2 as the printer
profile, and he said that QTRIP 2.6.2 would print just fine using QTR curves in
Snow Leopard with the CS4 Printer Profile to "Gray Gamma 2.2".  He did not
indicate that other printer profiles wouldn't work as well.

I raised the issue with Roy because the QTRIP 2.6.2 Release Notes say that Mac
users need to print in Leopard using CS3 instead of CS4 until some color
management issue is resolved, and nobody has ever been able to tell me whether
or not the issue has been fixed.  I finally got tired of running two versions of
Photoshop at the same time, so I asked Roy how to make QTRIP work in Snow
Leopard printing through CS4, and that's where the response I related in my
posting came from.  But Roy did not indicate that other printer profiles
wouldn't work as well.


--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "jomfoto" <jom@...> wrote:
>
> >set the Printer Profile to "Gray Gamma"
>
> actually  it doesn't matter what the printer profile is - I leave mine on
Enhanced Matte as they are all the same
>
>  I am getting lovely Quadtone prints but
>
> all the variables are in the Quadtone RIP box - I get a nice print with
>
> 60 % UC EnhMatte Cool
> 40 % UC EnhMatte Warm
>
> Gamma +5
> Ink Limits -3
>
> MacPro, OSX 10.6, Epson 4000 , Enhanced Matte  , Quadtone Rip 2.6.2 + patch
>
> I print my colour prints from a G5 running 10.5.something because as I said
last post, Epson 4000 driver prints HORRIBLE GREEN from 10.6
>

Mike,

I believe the QTR GUI for Windows is thanks to Stephen. Thank you Stephen, I
don't know what I would do without it.

http://www.sbillard.org/pages/QTRgui

Shilesh

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Johnston" <wpajohnson@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Stephen,
> I am new here.
> Which program have you developed and made public?
> Thanks
> Mike J.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Stephen Billard
> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 4:54 PM
> To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [QuadtoneRIP] Printing from CS4 Vista x64
>
> The "Mysterious" reason is that no one with the skills to make a Windows
> printer driver out of QTR has done so. I don't have that skill set, so I
> just made an application to help me use QTR. But usually when I do this I
> make it so the application is useable by others.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of George Butch
> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 2:29 PM
> To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Printing from CS4 Vista x64
>
> It seems to me that this difference between MAC and PC versions of QTR is a
> constant source of confusion for many, including me.  I am totally ignorant
> of the MAC world and so I don't understand why this difference exists.
>
> I gather there is some mysterious reason why the PC version must work stand
> alone while the MAC version can be accessed within PhotoShop.  And it's just
> as likely that I would not understand the reason, even if it were explained.
> It just seems to be the way it is.  It's inconvenient though, to edit an
> image in PS and then have to leave the PS environment to print it.  On the
> other hand, I love the resulting print and I'm grateful the program exists.
>
> I'm a photographer, not a computer wizard.  My computer is just a tool. But
> I do have a suggestion.  How about if we all get in the habit of identifying
> ourselves as MAC or PC users when posting a question in the forum.  I have
> lost track of the number of times I have tried to follow an explanation only
> to discover well into it that it doesn't apply to me.
>
> Thanks.
>
> George...
>

Hi Stephen,
I am new here.
Which program have you developed and made public?
Thanks
Mike J.

-----Original Message-----
From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Stephen Billard
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 4:54 PM
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [QuadtoneRIP] Printing from CS4 Vista x64

The "Mysterious" reason is that no one with the skills to make a Windows
printer driver out of QTR has done so. I don't have that skill set, so I
just made an application to help me use QTR. But usually when I do this I
make it so the application is useable by others.

-----Original Message-----
From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of George Butch
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 2:29 PM
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Printing from CS4 Vista x64

It seems to me that this difference between MAC and PC versions of QTR is a
constant source of confusion for many, including me.  I am totally ignorant
of the MAC world and so I don't understand why this difference exists.

I gather there is some mysterious reason why the PC version must work stand
alone while the MAC version can be accessed within PhotoShop.  And it's just
as likely that I would not understand the reason, even if it were explained.
It just seems to be the way it is.  It's inconvenient though, to edit an
image in PS and then have to leave the PS environment to print it.  On the
other hand, I love the resulting print and I'm grateful the program exists.

I'm a photographer, not a computer wizard.  My computer is just a tool. But
I do have a suggestion.  How about if we all get in the habit of identifying
ourselves as MAC or PC users when posting a question in the forum.  I have
lost track of the number of times I have tried to follow an explanation only
to discover well into it that it doesn't apply to me.

Thanks.

George...

>set the Printer Profile to "Gray Gamma"

actually  it doesn't matter what the printer profile is - I leave mine on
Enhanced Matte as they are all the same

  I am getting lovely Quadtone prints but

all the variables are in the Quadtone RIP box - I get a nice print with

60 % UC EnhMatte Cool
40 % UC EnhMatte Warm

Gamma +5
Ink Limits -3

MacPro, OSX 10.6, Epson 4000 , Enhanced Matte  , Quadtone Rip 2.6.2 + patch

I print my colour prints from a G5 running 10.5.something because as I said last
post, Epson 4000 driver prints HORRIBLE GREEN from 10.6

Regarding Snow Leopard, I asked the same question of Roy a few weeks ago,
offline, concerning the R2880.

Roy said that QTRIP would print just fine using QTR curves in Snow Leopard, so
long as (1) you start out with a file that already has been converted to gray
gamma 2.2, and (2) in the Photoshop CS4 print dialog you set Color Handling to
"Photoshop Manages Colors," and (3) in the CS4 print dialog you set the Printer
Profile to "Gray Gamma 2.2".

As far as I can tell, it works the way Roy said. But he didn't say anything one
way or the other about the 4000 or the Epson drivers.


--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "taylorda13" <dougtaylor13@...> wrote:
>
> I'm thinking of upgrading my OS to Snow Leopard or 10.6. I am currently
printing QTR to an Epson 4000 with Mac OS 10.5.8 and getting good results. Will
QTR print to the Epson 4000 using Mac OS 10.6?   Thanks, Doug
>

DO NOT UPGRADE TO 10.6

Quadtone will work with the patch

Your Epson drivers will not
Your prints will come out too dark and green
My Epson re-seller says Epson are not going to fix this on the 4000

EPSON SUCKS!

Jom

Mike,



Perhaps you've right, and inverting the cartridges is just something one
has to do with a CIS system because the tubing draws from the bottom of
the bottle where settling can lead to clogging. I don't know what
difference, if any, there might be between the cartridges you use and
the ones that came with my CIS, which are also spongeless.

In the end, my success so far may have resulted from nothing more than
running a head cleaning first thing every morning and then printing
several 13x19 prints each day, often as late as midnight.  I'll know the
answer in a couple of weeks when I go away for a month and my wife just
runs a head cleaning every day without doing any printing.

Richard


--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "dawsonmpleasanton" <dawsonm@...>
wrote:
>
> Interesting experience, Richard. You could have done like I did with
the 1280. A new print head costs $100 and is super easy to install.
Voila, clogs gone! However, for $200 you can get a totally new 1400
printer, which is a better printer. You probably made the right choice.
>
> With regard to your comments about the inverting ink bottles in the
CIS system I'm not sure I see any advantage of CIS over cartridges. A
CIS system is still a cartridge based system. Those cartridges are full
of ink and settling issues (if they are indeed issues) are going to
happen in the cartridge of a CIS system just like they will if using
standard cartridges.
>
> Is there some aspect of the CIS system I'm not seeing? I used to have
a CIS system with Cone inks a few years back before it clogged up due to
infrequent use. That's the reason I commented in my original post that I
don't want to go the CIS route. The 5 to 10 prints I will make a month
can't really keep a CIS system going. I'm hoping the same is not true
even of the cartridge only solution.
>
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "abrams371" richard.abrams@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > My old Epson 1280 finally got totally clogged using a Jon Cone's K6
CIS
> > inkset and I had to get rid of it--admittedly, though, I had left it
> > alone during long periods when I did nothing but turn it on and off
> > daily. So I bought an Epson 1400 and the new K6 CIS inkset for it,
and
> > after a couple of weeks of almost daily printing it clogged
permanently,
> > despite my trying every trick in inkjetmall's book to unclog it.
> > Fortunately, amazon replaced the printer at no cost, and now I think
I
> > have found the answer to avoid clogs.
> >
> > Every morning without fail I invert each of the bottles of ink a
couple
> > of times to keep the pigment in solution (hold your finger over the
> > air-hole when you do this!), then do a head cleaning--one such daily
> > cleaning has worked so far to give a perfect nozzle check. I've been
> > printing daily for 2-3 weeks now--about 75 13x19 prints in all--with
> > nary a clog. This is a particular advantage of the CIS because you
can
> > invert the bottles, something you can't do with cartridges.
> >
> >
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "dawsonmpleasanton" <dawsonm@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm going to post in both QTR and Piezography 3000 forums in the
hopes
> > that someone can help me out.
> > >
> > > I recently made a concerted effort to get back into b&w printing
on a
> > desktop inkjet. I decided to go with the Jon Cone K6 inkset for my
Epson
> > 1280 printer.
> > >
> > > I am not using a continuous feed system. I went that route with
b&w
> > printing a few years ago and my printing needs are infrequent enough
> > that it just doesn't make sense (maintenance or cost-wise). Instead
I am
> > using spongeless cartridges from MIS.
> > >
> > > In prepping for this move I bought and installed a brand new print
> > head as the old print head had two nozzles that just would not
unclog
> > after all sorts of cleaning. Nozzle checks with the new print head
were
> > perfect using Epson OEM inks and with Cone flush ink.
> > >
> > > Loading up the new K6 inks also went perfectly. Beautiful prints.
But
> > I was only able to get about 10 prints out before I had missing
nozzle
> > checks. Several cleaning cycles did not fix the problem.
> > >
> > > I thought maybe the cartridges were defective in some way so I
loaded
> > up a new blank set of cartridges. After installation, bingo, first
time
> > delivered perfect nozzle checks. Printed about 5-10 more prints
before
> > same nozzle clogging problems occurred.
> > >
> > > Cleaning would not solve the problem. I put back in the Cone flush
> > cartridges. Beautiful. Perfect nozzle checks. Put back in the K6
inks.
> > No joy. No amount of cleaning gives me a clean nozzle check.
> > >
> > > I'm close to giving up on this system but I know there are many
out
> > there happily printing b&w. So any hints on what to do with my
system
> > would be greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > > I know the 1280 is outdated and I have heard that nozzle clogging
can
> > be an issue with this printer. I thought the pigment in the K6 inks
were
> > supposed to be the finest particles yet from Cone.
> > >
> > > Do I...
> > >
> > > 1. Perservere with my 1280 and Cone inks? Anyone have some hints?
> > > 2. Give up on the K6 inks and move to MIS inks?
> > > 3. Give up on the 1280? The Epson 1400 uses the K6 inks too.
> > > 4. Switch both to the 1400 printer and to MIS inks.
> > > 5. Give up on these 3rd party b&w inks altogether? (I hope not)
> > >
> > > Regards, and thanks in advance.
> > > Mike
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>




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I'm thinking of upgrading my OS to Snow Leopard or 10.6. I am currently printing
QTR to an Epson 4000 with Mac OS 10.5.8 and getting good results. Will QTR print
to the Epson 4000 using Mac OS 10.6?   Thanks, Doug

Roy,

Bad news (for me): I started from scratch -- fresh carts, brand new K6 inks,
flushed printer with cleaning fluid, new inks absolutely in correct slots -- and
still have the problem of being too dark through the midranges, then a sharp
falloff. This problem:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4056/4304293462_f5d52b1d3b_b.jpg

So, I'm back where I started.

Any other ideas? I feel very close: I am able to mostly correct for it with an
adjustment  curve in Photoshop created by eyeball. But I'd like to do better if
at all possible.

Thanks and best,
JP







--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "jespes" <jesse@...> wrote:
>
> Roy:
> Wow. Thanks. I'll bite the bullet and start fresh. I did pick up secondhand K7
Neutral from someone switching inksets. Mislabeled or mixed bottles maybe.
Because I'm very sure I didn't mix. Anyway, ugh.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jesse,
> >
> > In looking at the linearize numbers you had before, I'm pretty sure you
> > have inks that are not the correct density.  This produces a curve that is
> > too much to linearize -- hence the error.   To use the inks you have, you
need
> > to refigure out the relative densities of the inks.  This means you need to
> > do the inkseparation file in calibration mode.  See Calibration.pdf
> > But if you buy inks again they may not be the same.
> >
> > Roy
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 9:52 AM, jespes <jesse@> wrote:
> > > Roy and anyone else who's listening:
> > >
> > >  Argh.
> > >
> > >  I tried Roy's guidance below for printing the untagged 21-step file. But,
now, when I try to create the curve by running the Install7000-K6.command, I get
this error:
> > >
> > > Invalid linearize curve -- not constantly increasing
> > >
> > > Question: Is there a step-by-step "how to make a QTR curve for dummies"
anywhere out there? I'm at wit's end with the StepWedge tool. I've read every
document I can find on quadtonerip.com. I've pieced together clues from the
Eye-One-ReadMe.pdf, the calibration instructions -- everything I can find.
> > >
> > > I understand in principle what the StepWedge tool is trying to do. But I
cannot seem to make it work.
> > >
> > > Help?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "jespes" <jesse@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Roy,
> > >>
> > >> Many thanks. I'm away from the printer now so can't redo my linearization
at this moment, but: Do you think this solves my issue (described below)?
> > >>
> > >> Basically, I'm trying to use StepWedge to linearize a 7000 with K6 inks.
I'm a newbie at linearization. And it's resulting in prints that are much too
dark.
> > >>
> > >> My step-by-step process is outlined below in this email chain.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks again,
> > >> JP
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > In CS4 the "no color management" selection is broken.   So to get the
same
> > >> > result you need to leave the file as "untagged", and print with
> > >> > photoshop manages
> > >> > color and the print profile set to the working space.   For calibration
mode use
> > >> > the RGB working space and for the regular Gray stepwedges use the gray
> > >> > working space.
> > >> > (the idea here is to match the mode of the file).
> > >> >
> > >> > Roy
> > >> >
> > >> > On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 10:14 AM, jespes <jesse@> wrote:
> > >> > > Question: Does the StepWedge tool require me to print the 21-step
target untagged with no color management?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > If so, how do I do that on CS4 on a Mac, which doesn't allow me to
select "no color management" in the print dialog box. Or am I misunderstanding
something?
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I ask this question after noticing the following passage in the
"Eye-One-ReadMe.pdf" file:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Printing the Target Stepwedge Image
> > >> > > Print targets with QTR and all the selections you want to profile or
linearize. The intended resolution is very important. The targets are Untagged
and should NOT be color managed in any way. Do not Convert an image. Always
print with No Color Management or Same As Source.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > thanks,
> > >> > > JP
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "jespes" <jesse@> wrote:
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> I'm trying Roy's new StepWedge tool and running into obstacles. I am
a newbie at curves and and would be very appreciative if someone could look at
what I'm doing and offer any advice.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> The setup: Snow Leopard Mac, Photoshop CS4. I don't have access to a
densitometer or spectrophotometer. The printer is an Epson 7000 with K6 inks.
Printer works fine. (Good nozzle checks etc.)
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> QTR's stock K6 curves for the 7000 get me close, but with one major
problem: They're not giving a smooth transition through the midtones. Instead,
the midtones stay too dark, then fall off sharply around 30%-40%.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> When I try to modify the QTR profile following the instructions with
the StepWedge tool, do I get a smoother transition, but overall a MUCH, MUCH
DARKER result.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> I've tried the StepWedge tool several times. Here's the basic
approach. Can you spot my mistake(s)?:
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> (1) I do a nozzle check on the printer to confirm all is well.
> > >> > >> (2) Open the the "Step-21-gray.tif" in CS4.
> > >> > >> (3) Since CS4 on the Mac won't let you print with "no color
management," I assign the tif a profile. I've tried several profiles, including
"QTR-Gray Lab."
> > >> > >> (4) Print the tif on Epson Enhanced Matte, using the standard QTR
profile for EAM paper for the 7000. (Printer settings: 1400, unidirectional.)
> > >> > >> (5) Using a Canon Lide 200 flatbed scanner, I scan the printout of
the tif alongside a standard Kodak Q13 grayscale card. (The Q13 is new.)
> > >> > >> (6) Open the resulting side-by-side scan in CS4, and run the
StepWedge tool per instructions.
> > >> > >> (7) Drop the resulting text file on to the "QTR-Linearize-Data"
script, which produces a new text file containing lots of data that I don't
understand, as well as a "linearize" line that looks roughly like this:
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> LINEARIZE="94.92 90.66 87.27 84.02 80.6 76.01 68.1 61.28 56.8 53.91
50.88 46.88 43.74 41.07 38.64 35.45 30.91 26.4 22.96 19.94 18.47"
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> (8) In my QTR folder, I create a new profile by making a copy of
QTR's standard EAM profile for the 7000.
> > >> > >> (9) I open that copy, replace the "LINEARIZE" line in it with my
newly created "LINEARIZE" line, and then save and close my new profile.
> > >> > >> (10) Then, I run the QTR 7000 install script. (This makes my newly
created profile show up properly in my printer-dialogue box).
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Lastly, I make a test print with my newly created profile and the
test print is very, very dark.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Whew. That was a lot of words. Does any of that make sense? Do you
see any obvious problems in my process?
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Many thanks to all for any advice. I feel like I'm very close with
this printer....
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> All the best,
> > >> > >> JP
> >
>

As a user of Image Print, Q Image and QTR on a PC platform, I see nothing
strange that I should need to start the application to print or point it
towards a watch folder. Anyway you slice it, it is a fine program, this QTR.




Eric Neilsen

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226



www.ericneilsenphotography.com

skype me with ejprinter



   _____

From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Peter Marquis-Kyle
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 6:33 PM
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Printing from CS4 Vista x64





On 3/02/2010 Stephen Billard wrote:
> ...so I just made an application to help me use QTR. But usually
> when I do this I make it so the application is useable by others.

...for which Windows users are always very grateful! Thank you!

Peter Marquis-Kyle





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On 3/02/2010 Stephen Billard wrote:
> ...so I just made an application to help me use QTR. But usually
> when I do this I make it so the application is useable by others.

...for which Windows users are always very grateful! Thank you!

Peter Marquis-Kyle

On 02/02/2010 23:54, Stephen Billard wrote:
>
>
> The "Mysterious" reason is that no one with the skills to make a Windows
> printer driver out of QTR has done so. I don't have that skill set, so I
> just made an application to help me use QTR. But usually when I do this I
> make it so the application is useable by others.
>

And I for one am grateful that you did ... its much easier than dual
booting with Linux and printing from Linux!

The "Mysterious" reason is that no one with the skills to make a Windows
printer driver out of QTR has done so. I don't have that skill set, so I
just made an application to help me use QTR. But usually when I do this I
make it so the application is useable by others.

-----Original Message-----
From: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com [mailto:QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of George Butch
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 2:29 PM
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Printing from CS4 Vista x64

It seems to me that this difference between MAC and PC versions of QTR is a
constant source of confusion for many, including me.  I am totally ignorant
of the MAC world and so I don't understand why this difference exists.

I gather there is some mysterious reason why the PC version must work stand
alone while the MAC version can be accessed within PhotoShop.  And it's just
as likely that I would not understand the reason, even if it were explained.
It just seems to be the way it is.  It's inconvenient though, to edit an
image in PS and then have to leave the PS environment to print it.  On the
other hand, I love the resulting print and I'm grateful the program exists.

I'm a photographer, not a computer wizard.  My computer is just a tool. But
I do have a suggestion.  How about if we all get in the habit of identifying
ourselves as MAC or PC users when posting a question in the forum.  I have
lost track of the number of times I have tried to follow an explanation only
to discover well into it that it doesn't apply to me.

Thanks.

George...

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------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links

It seems to me that this difference between MAC and PC versions of QTR is a
constant source of confusion for many, including me.  I am totally ignorant of
the MAC world and so I don't understand why this difference exists.

I gather there is some mysterious reason why the PC version must work stand
alone while the MAC version can be accessed within PhotoShop.  And it's just as
likely that I would not understand the reason, even if it were explained.  It
just seems to be the way it is.  It's inconvenient though, to edit an image in
PS and then have to leave the PS environment to print it.  On the other hand, I
love the resulting print and I'm grateful the program exists.

I'm a photographer, not a computer wizard.  My computer is just a tool. But I do
have a suggestion.  How about if we all get in the habit of identifying
ourselves as MAC or PC users when posting a question in the forum.  I have lost
track of the number of times I have tried to follow an explanation only to
discover well into it that it doesn't apply to me.

Thanks.

George...

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QTR is a stand alone program which you access from out side of Photoshop. Find
the program on your hard drive and drag a shortcut to your desktop.

Bernard



--- On Sat, 1/30/10, Mike Johnston <wpajohnson@...> wrote:

From: Mike Johnston <wpajohnson@...>
Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Printing from CS4 Vista x64
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Received: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 11:08 AM







 









       Hi,

I have an Epson R280 and I am thinking about upgrading to an R1400.

In Photoshop I don't see any way to select QTR as a printer.

Did I install wrong?

Will this work better with the 1400?



Thanks

Mike J.























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Get the name you've always wanted @ymail.com or @rocketmail.com! Go to
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Interesting experience, Richard.  You could have done like I did with the 1280. 
A new print head costs $100 and is super easy to install.  Voila, clogs gone! 
However, for $200 you can get a totally new 1400 printer, which is a better
printer.  You probably made the right choice.

With regard to your comments about the inverting ink bottles in the CIS system
I'm not sure I see any advantage of CIS over cartridges.  A CIS system is still
a cartridge based system.  Those cartridges are full of ink and settling issues
(if they are indeed issues) are going to happen in the cartridge of a CIS system
just like they will if using standard cartridges.

Is there some aspect of the CIS system I'm not seeing?  I used to have a CIS
system with Cone inks a few years back before it clogged up due to infrequent
use.  That's the reason I commented in my original post that I don't want to go
the CIS route.  The 5 to 10 prints I will make a month can't really keep a CIS
system going.  I'm hoping the same is not true even of the cartridge only
solution.

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "abrams371" <richard.abrams@...> wrote:
>
>
> My old Epson 1280 finally got totally clogged using a Jon Cone's K6 CIS
> inkset and I had to get rid of it--admittedly, though, I had left it
> alone during long periods when I did nothing but turn it on and off
> daily.  So I bought an Epson 1400 and the new K6 CIS inkset for it, and
> after a couple of weeks of almost daily printing it clogged permanently,
> despite my trying every trick in inkjetmall's book to unclog it.
> Fortunately, amazon replaced the printer at no cost, and now I think I
> have found the answer to avoid clogs.
>
> Every morning without fail I invert each of the bottles of ink a couple
> of times to keep the pigment in solution (hold your finger over the
> air-hole when you do this!), then do a head cleaning--one such daily
> cleaning has worked so far to give a perfect nozzle check.  I've been
> printing daily for 2-3 weeks now--about 75 13x19  prints in all--with
> nary a clog.  This is a particular advantage of the CIS because you can
> invert the bottles, something you can't do with cartridges.
>
>
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "dawsonmpleasanton" <dawsonm@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I'm going to post in both QTR and Piezography 3000 forums in the hopes
> that someone can help me out.
> >
> > I recently made a concerted effort to get back into b&w printing on a
> desktop inkjet. I decided to go with the Jon Cone K6 inkset for my Epson
> 1280 printer.
> >
> > I am not using a continuous feed system. I went that route with b&w
> printing a few years ago and my printing needs are infrequent enough
> that it just doesn't make sense (maintenance or cost-wise). Instead I am
> using spongeless cartridges from MIS.
> >
> > In prepping for this move I bought and installed a brand new print
> head as the old print head had two nozzles that just would not unclog
> after all sorts of cleaning. Nozzle checks with the new print head were
> perfect using Epson OEM inks and with Cone flush ink.
> >
> > Loading up the new K6 inks also went perfectly. Beautiful prints. But
> I was only able to get about 10 prints out before I had missing nozzle
> checks. Several cleaning cycles did not fix the problem.
> >
> > I thought maybe the cartridges were defective in some way so I loaded
> up a new blank set of cartridges. After installation, bingo, first time
> delivered perfect nozzle checks. Printed about 5-10 more prints before
> same nozzle clogging problems occurred.
> >
> > Cleaning would not solve the problem. I put back in the Cone flush
> cartridges. Beautiful. Perfect nozzle checks. Put back in the K6 inks.
> No joy. No amount of cleaning gives me a clean nozzle check.
> >
> > I'm close to giving up on this system but I know there are many out
> there happily printing b&w. So any hints on what to do with my system
> would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > I know the 1280 is outdated and I have heard that nozzle clogging can
> be an issue with this printer. I thought the pigment in the K6 inks were
> supposed to be the finest particles yet from Cone.
> >
> > Do I...
> >
> > 1. Perservere with my 1280 and Cone inks? Anyone have some hints?
> > 2. Give up on the K6 inks and move to MIS inks?
> > 3. Give up on the 1280? The Epson 1400 uses the K6 inks too.
> > 4. Switch both to the 1400 printer and to MIS inks.
> > 5. Give up on these 3rd party b&w inks altogether? (I hope not)
> >
> > Regards, and thanks in advance.
> > Mike
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

My old Epson 1280 finally got totally clogged using a Jon Cone's K6 CIS
inkset and I had to get rid of it--admittedly, though, I had left it
alone during long periods when I did nothing but turn it on and off
daily.  So I bought an Epson 1400 and the new K6 CIS inkset for it, and
after a couple of weeks of almost daily printing it clogged permanently,
despite my trying every trick in inkjetmall's book to unclog it.
Fortunately, amazon replaced the printer at no cost, and now I think I
have found the answer to avoid clogs.

Every morning without fail I invert each of the bottles of ink a couple
of times to keep the pigment in solution (hold your finger over the
air-hole when you do this!), then do a head cleaning--one such daily
cleaning has worked so far to give a perfect nozzle check.  I've been
printing daily for 2-3 weeks now--about 75 13x19  prints in all--with
nary a clog.  This is a particular advantage of the CIS because you can
invert the bottles, something you can't do with cartridges.


--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "dawsonmpleasanton" <dawsonm@...>
wrote:
>
> I'm going to post in both QTR and Piezography 3000 forums in the hopes
that someone can help me out.
>
> I recently made a concerted effort to get back into b&w printing on a
desktop inkjet. I decided to go with the Jon Cone K6 inkset for my Epson
1280 printer.
>
> I am not using a continuous feed system. I went that route with b&w
printing a few years ago and my printing needs are infrequent enough
that it just doesn't make sense (maintenance or cost-wise). Instead I am
using spongeless cartridges from MIS.
>
> In prepping for this move I bought and installed a brand new print
head as the old print head had two nozzles that just would not unclog
after all sorts of cleaning. Nozzle checks with the new print head were
perfect using Epson OEM inks and with Cone flush ink.
>
> Loading up the new K6 inks also went perfectly. Beautiful prints. But
I was only able to get about 10 prints out before I had missing nozzle
checks. Several cleaning cycles did not fix the problem.
>
> I thought maybe the cartridges were defective in some way so I loaded
up a new blank set of cartridges. After installation, bingo, first time
delivered perfect nozzle checks. Printed about 5-10 more prints before
same nozzle clogging problems occurred.
>
> Cleaning would not solve the problem. I put back in the Cone flush
cartridges. Beautiful. Perfect nozzle checks. Put back in the K6 inks.
No joy. No amount of cleaning gives me a clean nozzle check.
>
> I'm close to giving up on this system but I know there are many out
there happily printing b&w. So any hints on what to do with my system
would be greatly appreciated.
>
> I know the 1280 is outdated and I have heard that nozzle clogging can
be an issue with this printer. I thought the pigment in the K6 inks were
supposed to be the finest particles yet from Cone.
>
> Do I...
>
> 1. Perservere with my 1280 and Cone inks? Anyone have some hints?
> 2. Give up on the K6 inks and move to MIS inks?
> 3. Give up on the 1280? The Epson 1400 uses the K6 inks too.
> 4. Switch both to the 1400 printer and to MIS inks.
> 5. Give up on these 3rd party b&w inks altogether? (I hope not)
>
> Regards, and thanks in advance.
> Mike
>




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks Jon. The 2880 dpi answer finally dawned on me last night. In previous
versions there were other resolution options and seeing only 2880 confused me
for a while since there is an Epson printer with that model number. Thanks for
confirming that the 2800 refers to dpi .
JaySuch

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "piezobw" <jon@...> wrote:
>
> That just means 2880 dpi!
> They are correct curves...
>
> Jon
>
>
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "JaySuch" <such205@> wrote:
> >
> > When attempting to print a B&W image; At the first Photoshop print menu I
choose "QuadR 1800-K7" as the printer. But on the second menu, after selecting
QuadTone RIP to gain access to the curves the only curves that show up are K2880
curves.  I am using PS CS3 on an Intel based  Mac running OS 10.5.8. How can I
regain access to the R1800 profiles?
> >
>

That just means 2880 dpi!
They are correct curves...

Jon


--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "JaySuch" <such205@...> wrote:
>
> When attempting to print a B&W image; At the first Photoshop print menu I
choose "QuadR 1800-K7" as the printer. But on the second menu, after selecting
QuadTone RIP to gain access to the curves the only curves that show up are K2880
curves.  I am using PS CS3 on an Intel based  Mac running OS 10.5.8. How can I
regain access to the R1800 profiles?
>

I try to keep mine over 50, makes a huge difference. In the winter when the heat
is on a lot, it's the most difficult even here in Seattle..
During a job crunch I could barely keep up with, printer going around the clock
for a few days, I could not afford down time with cleanings etc.. I kept it up
over 60 and never had a problem. Very unusual, it had to be the high humidity.
Tyler

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "mrjimbo" <mrjimbo@...> wrote:
>
> Jon,
> You are so correct regarding the humidity / temp issues..

Jon,
You are so correct regarding the humidity / temp issues.. We all assume that
it's something else.. Here that was a really tough lesson.. but we finally
learned it. An inexpensive Thermometer and Hygrometer combo from Holmes is 3
bucks in manual or 9 bucks digital.... just tells the story.. So silly not to
have a couple..
Hmmm 13 gal ..what unit is that? We use the old Bionaire W7 Digital I think
there called .. only 2 tanks so maybe 8/9 gal.. We added toilet floats and sort
of a refrigerator ice maker water feed to two of them so I'm not a water boy all
the time.. We have a skid full of them in the barn for parts.. Insane huh? I
have a 4800 that I always thought was well maybe... I just won't say.. anyway
when it was put in the right humidity and temp it preformed... but shame on me
if I let the humidifiers run dry..LOL ..

jimbo
  ----- Original Message -----
   From: piezobw
   To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 12:18 PM
   Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Cone K6 inks and persistent nozzle clogging



   Check your humidity level if you live in the colder regions or have turned on
the heat in your studio recently. If you fall below 30% rH you will have issues
with any ink set. Make sure that the 1280 cartridges do not have some residue on
the vent holes where you pulled off the tape. But low humidity dries out print
heads no matter what brand of ink. I'll post in the other forum to make sure you
see this - and I hope it helps. FWIW - we are running two 13 gallon humidifiers
at Cone Editions Press right now struggling to get above 30%. When we do - no
problems. But at 15-20% rH no print head can stay moist.

   regards,

   Jon

   --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "dawsonmpleasanton" <dawsonm@...> wrote:
   >
   > I'm going to post in both QTR and Piezography 3000 forums in the hopes that
someone can help me out.
   >
   > I recently made a concerted effort to get back into b&w printing on a
desktop inkjet. I decided to go with the Jon Cone K6 inkset for my Epson 1280
printer.
   >
   > I am not using a continuous feed system. I went that route with b&w printing
a few years ago and my printing needs are infrequent enough that it just doesn't
make sense (maintenance or cost-wise). Instead I am using spongeless cartridges
from MIS.
   >
   > In prepping for this move I bought and installed a brand new print head as
the old print head had two nozzles that just would not unclog after all sorts of
cleaning. Nozzle checks with the new print head were perfect using Epson OEM
inks and with Cone flush ink.
   >
   > Loading up the new K6 inks also went perfectly. Beautiful prints. But I was
only able to get about 10 prints out before I had missing nozzle checks. Several
cleaning cycles did not fix the problem.
   >
   > I thought maybe the cartridges were defective in some way so I loaded up a
new blank set of cartridges. After installation, bingo, first time delivered
perfect nozzle checks. Printed about 5-10 more prints before same nozzle
clogging problems occurred.
   >
   > Cleaning would not solve the problem. I put back in the Cone flush
cartridges. Beautiful. Perfect nozzle checks. Put back in the K6 inks. No joy.
No amount of cleaning gives me a clean nozzle check.
   >
   > I'm close to giving up on this system but I know there are many out there
happily printing b&w. So any hints on what to do with my system would be greatly
appreciated.
   >
   > I know the 1280 is outdated and I have heard that nozzle clogging can be an
issue with this printer. I thought the pigment in the K6 inks were supposed to
be the finest particles yet from Cone.
   >
   > Do I...
   >
   > 1. Perservere with my 1280 and Cone inks? Anyone have some hints?
   > 2. Give up on the K6 inks and move to MIS inks?
   > 3. Give up on the 1280? The Epson 1400 uses the K6 inks too.
   > 4. Switch both to the 1400 printer and to MIS inks.
   > 5. Give up on these 3rd party b&w inks altogether? (I hope not)
   >
   > Regards, and thanks in advance.
   > Mike
   >






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When attempting to print a B&W image; At the first Photoshop print menu I choose
"QuadR 1800-K7" as the printer. But on the second menu, after selecting QuadTone
RIP to gain access to the curves the only curves that show up are K2880 curves. 
I am using PS CS3 on an Intel based  Mac running OS 10.5.8. How can I regain
access to the R1800 profiles?