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Re: [R-P312Project] Re: Introduction

OK, I have Anglin listed as part of the Corca Luighe (aka Corca Laoidhe or Loigde). This is suggestive of Haplogroups R-U152 and R-L21 being intertwined in clans or tribes. Have all your Groups 2-4 been SNP tested? 
 
 
My research on the R-U152 Corca Luighe is available @
 
 
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlkik/ihm/ireclan2.htm

Corca Luighe (aka Corca Laoidhe or Loigde)

The Corca Luighe were a pre-Milesian race and the name Luighe was common among their early chiefs. One of those, Lughaidh Mac Con was Monarch of Ireland. According to the Book of Ballymote, Corca Luighe extended from Beann Finn westward to Tragumina and Lough Ine and from Beal Atha Buidhe to Tragh Claen at the rock.

Each tuath of Corca Luighe was governed by a taoiseach and beneath him were the hereditary leaders. Tuatha O Fitcheallaigh and O Dunghalaigh merged in Clonakilty. O'Fehilly and O'Dunlea were the taoiseacha. Oglaigh or Leaders are represented by names which still survive, i.e. Duggan, Keady, Eady, Anglin, Kennedy, Cagney, Hennessy, Leary, Dineen, Cronin, Hayes or O'Hea, Murray, Dulea, Coffey, Cowhig, Cullinane, Downey, Lahiffe, Shinnick, Deady and Muintir Oh Illigh or Hill. The O'Driscolls were the ruling race.



On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Rob Anglin <robanglin@...> wrote:

Anglin (and its variants Anglim, Anglen, Angland) come from the Irish O'hAngluinn (a Cork name) which may mean "champion" or "hero"
 
Our surname project has over 50 participants from around the world and we have found three main groups of Anglins which are obviously not related within any significant genealogical time frame.
 
Our project's results are found at http://www.anglindna.com
 
Thanks for your interest!  This really is a passion of mine.
 
Rob
 
----- Original Message -----
From: mwwalsh
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 10:06 AM
Subject: [R-P312Project] Re: Introduction

--- My response/question...................
Do you have any family folklore or research on the Anglin surname in
Ireland?

--- In R-P312Project@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Anglin" <robanglin@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I figure I should introduce myself as thus far I've been merely a
lurker.
>
> My name is Robert Anglin and my oldest proven ancestor is James
Anglin of County Cork, Ireland (circa 1720 - 1778).
>
> L21+ M173+ M207+ M269+ M343+ P25+ P312+ M126- M153- M160- M18- M222-
M37- M65- M73- P66- SRY2627-
>
> My Ysearch ID is E5X7X.
>
> Any ideas about my line would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
>
> Rob Anglin
>
> P.S. Do I still need to order U152 or does my L21+ marker make this
unnecessary? Thanks again!
>




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Anglin (and its variants Anglim, Anglen, Angland) come from the Irish O'hAngluinn (a Cork name) which may mean "champion" or "hero" Our surname project has...
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OK, I have Anglin listed as part of the Corca Luighe (aka Corca Laoidhe or Loigde). This is suggestive of Haplogroups R-U152 and R-L21 being intertwined in...
Glenn Nolen
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Nov 8, 2008
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Rich: I believe you are correct. R-L21 would have a continental origin since it is now part of the Corca Luighe of Co. Cork. ...
Glenn Nolen
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Nov 8, 2008
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Rob, Rick is right. You no longer need a U152 result because your L21+ means you are U152- (all U152+ men are L21-). I have added a placemark for your ancestor...
Richard Stevens
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Nov 8, 2008
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L21+ might be somewhat western, but thus far all four results for guys with Hispanic names are L21-. If Iberia turns out to be largely L21-, that cuts out a...
Richard Stevens
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Nov 7, 2008
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Have any Basques been tested and shown to be L21- ???? M.Walsh - L21+ (Irish on the list of 100, but could be counted with the Wales) ... guys with Hispanic...
mwwalsh
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Nov 7, 2008
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This is Great ! SNP L21 is a Boon or a Curse. My undocumented paper trail says Iberia to Ireland before surnames were adopted, yet I don't fit the AMH DNA...
George Kelly
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Nov 7, 2008
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All of this is REALLY exciting…Really!!! But, for those of us who are U-152+ R-L2+ and are waiting for the L-20 on batch 281…what is it going to tell us??...
Chuck C. Campbell
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Nov 7, 2008
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"We are not Scots, Irish or Brits, but Swiss??? " R-U152 is Celtic, R-L21 (brother clade to R-U152 is Celtic) depending on relative age a better term may be...
Glenn Nolen
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I'm not saying it's not true, but I'm looking to understand your think. Why do you say R-U152 is Celtic and R-L21 is proto-Celtic? Obviously you are saying...
Michael Walsh
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Nov 7, 2008
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It isn't. Depending on relative age they are both Proto-Celts. They are brother clades. My statement pertained to both R-U152 and R-L21, "depending on relative...
Glenn Nolen
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Nov 7, 2008
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Perhaps the better question is not whether R-U152 or R-L21 are proto-Celt, but did they migrate to NW Europe and the British Isles as Celtics or prior to that?...
mwwalsh
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Nov 7, 2008
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Hi Chuck, I'm not sure about the time frame. When Scotland was frozen over you had ancestors somewhere, before surnames were adopted. Supposedly the Celts...
George Kelly
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Robert Train commented on Rootsweb that he is of Basque descent and is L21-. Rich ________________________________ From: mwwalsh <mwwalsh7@...> To:...
Richard Stevens
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Both my cousins' results came back negative for L21. Although we don't have a paper trail back to the old country, my Brown family, maternal line, kit 36129,...
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Nov 9, 2008
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I think more genome testing, like the 23andMe test will turn some useful SNPs for the P312+ L21- negative groups. My own opinion is that there was a rapid...
Richard Stevens
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