Mike, kit 36683 O'Riley is positive for both CTS4466 and CTS5714 per FTDNA tests, not Gen2. He's in the Riley Project. But, I found Daly in your list and I...
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David Reynolds
df.reynolds
May 24, 2013 6:40 am
http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_SNP_Requirements.html Diversity requirement for two of the people who have tested positive for the new SNP being added: *...
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David Reynolds
df.reynolds
May 24, 2013 7:48 am
Well, there is a reason why all the testing is required before adding a new SNP to the tree. :) Kit 22874 (Irvine) is Z251+, L555+, L557+, L561+ Given that...
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mikewww7
May 24, 2013 1:21 pm
I banned sravrannies (Peter) after this last posting from him on a non-L21 topic that could be perceived as advertising. I in no way endorse the group, web...
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Joseph E Carroll
karjoe58
May 24, 2013 1:28 pm
According to your scorecard, one CTS4466 & L144 are needed to test negative to get Z251 onto ISoGG? I have had my order in for Z251 for some time - expected...
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mikewww7
May 24, 2013 1:46 pm
Exactly. I don't see how anyone could have predicted this. Andy G/Graystone was correct Z251. Z251 is large. It's definitely diverse which means it is probably...
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karjoe58
May 24, 2013 3:02 pm
A pdf file (CTS4466-CTS5714 Results 24May2013.pdf) has been uploaded to the files section of the R1b-L21 Project site...
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mikewww7
May 24, 2013 3:33 pm
I would think that are z2410-B group of Wales folks should be jumping all over Z251. f44100 Lewis f130510 Lewis yS6MTG Lewis f17437 Lewis f85941 Thomas They...
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mikewww7
May 24, 2013 4:10 pm
I was just cross-checking some decent (for deep ancestry) GDs with slow moving off-modal STRs. I found this group. I'm not predicting anything, but the three...
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donndevine
May 24, 2013 6:13 pm
Bowes' approach seems generally sound, except for his jarring use of the term "clans" for the 1,800 surname groups he counts in Ireland. They are more...
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mikewww7
May 24, 2013 6:19 pm
Let's call that the last word on this topic. Anyone who wants can communicate off-line the message board (broadcast) through the direct individual email to a...
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mikewww7
May 24, 2013 7:22 pm
I had a Manion in another subgroup but it looks like he and a couple of others might fit in with Thornton as DF25*. They all have 458>=18 437>=16 413=23,24...
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Gary
welshdna
May 24, 2013 8:27 pm
How do you arrive at "Nine"? Do you exclude L96 or C4466?...
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Joseph E Carroll
karjoe58
May 24, 2013 8:37 pm
Delete L96, L144, and L371 from the L21 Phylogenetic Tree....
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mikewww7
May 24, 2013 9:43 pm
This guy looks like Irish IV. I think he has taken the Geno 2.0 test but project Y DNA SNP report isn't turned on. 114775 William Means, b. 1758, probably...
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Mike Wdna
mikewww7
May 24, 2013 9:52 pm
Gary, hopefully my eyes are not deceiving me. but I count these nine: DF49, L513/DF1, Z255, Z253, DF21, DF41, L1335, CTS4466, Z251 If you are DF13+ and...
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mikewww7
May 24, 2013 10:14 pm
I updated the R1b-L21_haplotypes spreadsheet. Its found under the Links section of this Yahoo group under "Haplotype Data". The following link is the...
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Charles Harrington
unchuckie
May 24, 2013 10:20 pm
Mike: I have Geno 2.0 pending. I know Z251 is not included. Is CTS4466? Is there a list of DF13 Geno 2.0 SNPs somewhere? I'm considering testing Z251 since ...
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Joseph E Carroll
karjoe58
May 24, 2013 10:50 pm
Mike, I see that O'Riley is still without his CTS4466+ and CTS5714+. Maybe next time?...
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Joseph E Carroll
karjoe58
May 24, 2013 10:59 pm
Charles: Go to <http://daver.info/geno/results/> which is a sort of table of contents for Gen2 results. This gives most of the SNPs relevant to L21 and below. ...
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Charles Harrington
unchuckie
May 24, 2013 11:00 pm
Thanks Joe!...
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David Reynolds
df.reynolds
May 24, 2013 11:03 pm
DF13, DF63, DF49, L144, DF41, L1335, and Z251 are not included in Geno 2.0 CTS2501 is included in Geno 2.0, and appears (so far) to be phylogenetically...
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David Reynolds
df.reynolds
May 24, 2013 11:06 pm
Mike, might want to go ahead and add L679 to that list. It meets the revised ISOGG diversity requirement, and it is just a matter of getting the SNP...
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mikewww7
May 24, 2013 11:35 pm
Joe, I didn't get to the Riley project. Is there anyway we can get their project admin to ask him to join the L21 plus project? Regards, Mike W...
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David Reynolds
df.reynolds
May 24, 2013 11:49 pm
Mike, would you pull f159688 from the 23-1123-Aran variety, please? He is lacking the P1/P2 deletion that is common to the rest of the people in that cluster. ...
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Joseph E Carroll
karjoe58
May 25, 2013 2:59 am
Mike, I just sent a message asking the admin to ask both of the Riley's to do so. Hopefully they will....
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jnigelbond
May 25, 2013 3:33 am
David and Mike, Although I am keen to have L679 recognised as Public when it is proven to meet ISOGG criteria, I would not want to oblige people to test for...
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David Reynolds
df.reynolds
May 25, 2013 4:47 am
From Mike's earlier post, I counted a grand total of six R-DF13** people, so it isn't actually all the common. Suspect as R-DF13 subclades continue to "bush"...
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David Reynolds
df.reynolds
May 25, 2013 5:27 am
Thanks Alex. I sent a note off to Jim Wilson today, we'll see what he says. --david...
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jnigelbond
May 25, 2013 6:58 am
I agree L679 is already larger than some of these SNPs and has potential to grow significantly. But there are also more DF13** than proven by testing - most...
