Good luck :-)

I hope to get my WTY results back sometime in the next 2 months.

Michael Fousse

--- In R1b1c_U106-S21@yahoogroups.com, "Susan Mertz" <dolls@...> wrote:
>
> I just joined the L48+ WTY so maybe there will be a new SNP discovered in
another 6-9 months.  I'm in the Frisian cluster, Ysearch ZXSTZ.
>

-----Original Message-----
From: R1b1c_U106-S21@yahoogroups.com [mailto:R1b1c_U106-S21@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Wing
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 7:12 AM
To: R1b1c_U106-S21@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [R1b1c_U106-S21] M157.2 (private SNP below L48)

 

I believe I have posted to this site about a new SNP being found by 23andMe in my DNA. This SNP (M157) has been verified by FT DNA and has been given the designation of M157.2 (as it was previously found in R1a). I have had another family member test for this SNP at FT DNA (which now offers this test in its Advanced Orders). Our most recent common ancestor was born in 1584. He also tested positive for this SNP. The next step is to find other surnames who have this SNP. My family share a couple of rare DYS values including DYS 439=13, DYS 458=19 and (see ySearch 3QBMB for full details) Raymond T. Wing Genealogist, Wing Family of America, Inc. [WFA] www.wingfamily.org

--- In R1b1c_U106-S21@yahoogroups.com, "ospicton" <ospicton@...> wrote:

>  I just looked on Ysearch and the list for those who test positive for L48+
has grown from 0 to 210 names this year.

And most if us seem to be stuck there, too. :-(

> This year, new SNPs continue to be found for in my Y-DNA.  I tested  positive
at FTDNA for L44+,  L46+,  L47+ and L48+.
>
> Then 23and Me  SNP results showed that I additionally test positive for L45+,
L163+,  L164+ and a new SNP rs13305070.

You are truly remarkable in that regard. At this rate you'll have your own
grouping in Adrian's sheet.

-----Original Message-----
From: R1b1c_U106-S21@yahoogroups.com [mailto:R1b1c_U106-S21@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John German
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 12:50 AM
To: R1b1c_U106-S21@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [R1b1c_U106-S21] A new SNP L237

 

Are the new SNPs upstream or downstream from L48?

ospicton wrote:

>Hi
>I think a lot continues to happen in this U106 group. We are on the cutting edge. Nothing remains static. A year ago we just started talking about L44, L45, L46, L47 and L48. Tests were not available from FTDNA until January or February for these SNPs. I just looked on Ysearch and the list for those who test positive for L48+ has grown from 0 to 210 names this year.
>
>This year, new SNPs continue to be found for in my Y-DNA. I tested positive at FTDNA for L44+, L46+, L47+ and L48+.
>
>Then 23and Me SNP results showed that I additionally test positive for L45+, L163+, L164+ and a new SNP rs13305070.
>
>Adriano Squecco just sent me an Email message that the new SNP rs13305070 has been named L237. I was the first found with this SNP.
>
>AS I understand it, FTDNA did not find L237 in my WTY test results because they do not yet test for it. Brian Swann asked Thomas Krahn of FTDNA if he could check and see if Criag Venter has L163, L164 and L237. Thomas Krahn was kind enough to check and reported that Craig Venter also is positive for L163, L164,and L237.
>
>My WTY results came today. What new discovery will I find. I am blessed with all the results.
>
>Blessings,
>Owen
>
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hi
I think one must be L46+ then you would most likely be L237+
Blessings,
Owen

Are the new SNPs upstream or downstream from L48?

ospicton wrote:

>Hi
>I think a lot continues to happen in this U106 group.  We are on the cutting
edge.  Nothing remains static.  A year ago  we just started talking about L44,
L45, L46,  L47 and L48.  Tests were not available from FTDNA until January or
February for these SNPs.  I just looked on Ysearch and the list for those who
test positive for L48+ has grown from 0 to 210 names this year.
>
>This year, new SNPs continue to be found for in my Y-DNA.  I tested  positive
at FTDNA for L44+,  L46+,  L47+ and L48+.
>
>Then 23and Me  SNP results showed that I additionally test positive for L45+,
L163+,  L164+ and a new SNP rs13305070.
>
>Adriano Squecco just sent me an Email message that the new SNP rs13305070 has
been named L237.  I was the first found with this SNP.
>
>AS I understand it, FTDNA did not find L237  in my WTY test results because
they do not yet test for it.  Brian Swann asked Thomas Krahn of FTDNA if he
could check and see if Criag Venter has L163, L164 and L237.  Thomas Krahn was
kind enough to check and reported that Craig Venter also is positive for L163,
L164,and L237.
>
>My WTY results came today.   What new discovery  will I find.  I am blessed
with all the results.
>
>Blessings,
>Owen
>
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hi
I think a lot continues to happen in this U106 group.  We are on the cutting
edge.  Nothing remains static.  A year ago  we just started talking about L44,
L45, L46,  L47 and L48.  Tests were not available from FTDNA until January or
February for these SNPs.  I just looked on Ysearch and the list for those who
test positive for L48+ has grown from 0 to 210 names this year.

This year, new SNPs continue to be found for in my Y-DNA.  I tested  positive at
FTDNA for L44+,  L46+,  L47+ and L48+.

Then 23and Me  SNP results showed that I additionally test positive for L45+,
L163+,  L164+ and a new SNP rs13305070.

Adriano Squecco just sent me an Email message that the new SNP rs13305070 has
been named L237.  I was the first found with this SNP.

AS I understand it, FTDNA did not find L237  in my WTY test results because they
do not yet test for it.  Brian Swann asked Thomas Krahn of FTDNA if he could
check and see if Criag Venter has L163, L164 and L237.  Thomas Krahn was kind
enough to check and reported that Craig Venter also is positive for L163,
L164,and L237.

My WTY results came today.   What new discovery  will I find.  I am blessed with
all the results.

Blessings,
Owen

The latest adv. SNP results are in for DUNN Kit 28464 Ysearch M6V8M.  He is
negative on the additional SNPs that were ordered to confirm his placement on
the haplotree.

Connie

R1b1b2a1a4 at FTDNA

M269+ U106+ L48+

L1- L148- L179- L180- L188- L47- P107- P312- SRY2627- U198-

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/johnsoncountyillinoisDNAproject/default.aspx\
?section=yresults

 

Our project website follows whatever nomenclature that FTDNA uses. There's no easy way around this, as FTDNA hosts our website and it would be difficult to organize the website haplotype tables according to results that are not part of their official tree. In other words, although you can test L47, L44, L46 and L148 at FTDNA, that is only through the Advanced Orders menu, not through the deep clade test, so far. Only subclades and their SNPs included in the deep clade test are officially part of FTDNA's tree. David Weston keeps external webpages which display the results of his analysis of the results of the project's members. This is where each member is compared to the other members in his particular subclade/group and can be accessed on the "Results" page on the FTDNA project website, at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/U106/default.aspx?section=results David has indicated that he will begin to separate out those who are in the L44 and L46 and possibly L148 subclades soon, possibly with the next update of his analysis which may occur in the next week. He has been including L47 as a separate group for comparison, since it's not merely a few members, So the short answer is that we don't go beyond ISOGG's official nomenclature, which is more up to date than that of FTDNA. Consequently, the answer to the rest of your question about the criteria for determining what is a private/family SNP and what is a phylogenetically significant SNP is found on the ISOGG page for their criteria on this question. We certainly would not venture beyond how ISOGG handles this question. That page is at http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_SNP_Requirements09.html Mike Maddi --- On Fri, 11/27/09, brian swann <bps@norvic8.force9.co.uk> wrote: From: brian swann <bps@norvic8.force9.co.uk> Subject: RE: [R1b1c_U106-S21] R1b-L148 now an official subclade To: R1b1c_U106-S21@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 3:04 PM   Dear Mike   Is there any policy as to how you classify a SNP as a private or family SNP?  Presumably just one individual or family name has it.   The reason for the question is that it could seem to correlate with the standardisation of surnames in any given country.  As more people test - and more surnames have their deep ancestry explored ever deeper downwards - you must have a transition from SNPs which bridge hundreds or even thousands of surnames, down an ever tapering tree until you get to private or family surname SNPs at the bottom.  It is just when this standardisation of surnames occurs which can be quite variable.   So there must be a natural gradation in SNP frequency - and the hope must be that they will coalesce with the STR patterns going backwards.  So should ISOGG be recording these family SNPs on the ISOGG tree, as one day some might bridge more than the one surname, or will that all become too cumbersome - both in recording and nomenclature terms?   Brian   -----Original Message----- From: R1b1c_U106-S21@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:R1b1c_ U106-S21@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of mtmaddi Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 4:11 PM To: R1b1c_U106-S21@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [R1b1c_U106- S21] R1b-L148 now an official subclade   Eldon Wade just posted over at dna-forums.org about a change in ISOGG's Haplogroup R tree that affects R1b-U106. ISOGG has now added a new subclade of L48, defined by L148, with the name R1b1b2a1a1d2. You can see this at http://www.isogg. org/tree/ ISOGG_HapgrpR09. html L148 was discovered in Eldon's WTY results. It's offered on the Advanced Orders menu and has been found positive in two other R1b-L48 men. Since the three R1b-L148 men all have different surnames, that was sufficient for ISOGG to regard this as a new subclade and not as a private or family SNP. Congratulations, Eldon! Mike Maddi

 

Eldon Wade just posted over at dna-forums.org about a change in ISOGG's Haplogroup R tree that affects R1b-U106. ISOGG has now added a new subclade of L48, defined by L148, with the name R1b1b2a1a1d2. You can see this at http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpR09.html

L148 was discovered in Eldon's WTY results. It's offered on the Advanced Orders menu and has been found positive in two other R1b-L48 men. Since the three R1b-L148 men all have different surnames, that was sufficient for ISOGG to regard this as a new subclade and not as a private or family SNP.

Congratulations, Eldon!

Mike Maddi

Eldon Wade just posted over at dna-forums.org about a change in ISOGG's
Haplogroup R tree that affects R1b-U106. ISOGG has now added a new subclade of
L48, defined by L148, with the name R1b1b2a1a1d2. You can see this at
http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpR09.html

L148 was discovered in Eldon's WTY results. It's offered on the Advanced Orders
menu and has been found positive in two other R1b-L48 men. Since the three
R1b-L148 men all have different surnames, that was sufficient for ISOGG to
regard this as a new subclade and not as a private or family SNP.

Congratulations, Eldon!

Mike Maddi

The autumn/fall issue of the Journal of Genetic  Genealogy is now available
  online:

http://www.jogg.info/52/index.html

There is an interesting  interview with Bennett Greenspan of Family Tree
DNA. Anyone with an interest in  surname studies will find Chris Pomery's
article of interest. There are also a  number of highly technical articles for
advanced researchers.

Debbie  Kennett

I think Mike Maddi was testing for L199.  Has that result come back yet?

Debra Dunbar Nowell


--- In R1b1c_U106-S21@yahoogroups.com, "Gary" <b424r560@...> wrote:
>
> Is there any new news on these two new L48- U106 SNP's?
>
> Gary Blakely
>

Well I guess I will answer my own question! A good source tells me that one person has tested positive for L217 and 2 people have tested positive for L199.

 

Gary Blakely

 

---

From: R1b1c_U106-S21@yahoogroups.com [mailto:R1b1c_U106-S21@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:25 PM
To: R1b1c_U106-S21@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [R1b1c_U106-S21] L199 & L217 status

 

 

Is there any new news on these two new L48- U106 SNP's?

Gary Blakely

--- In R1b1c_U106-S21@yahoogroups.com, "Gary & Ann Blakely" <b424r560@...>
wrote:
>
> Well I guess I will answer my own question! A good source tells me that one
> person has tested positive for L217 and 2 people have tested positive for
> L199.

Are those positives outside the U106x WTY project membership ?

As you probably know, there is a table of known SNP test results for their
members here:

  http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R-U106xL48WTY/default.aspx

--
John

----- Original Message -----

From: Morgane et Edouard SIMON

To: R1b1c_U106-S21@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 11:32 AM

Subject: Re: [R1b1c_U106-S21] R-U106 group website results tables back on-line

Hello Charles,

Thanks for the update.

I am Edouard SIMON, part of L47 guys group.

Unfortunately most of my markers have been erased during this update.

Please let me know if you need me to send them again or not.

Cheers,

Edouard

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: David Weston

To: R1b1c_U106-S21@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 2:06 AM

Subject: [R1b1c_U106-S21] R-U106 group website results tables back on-line

 

Good Evening,

 

The R-U106 group website results tables are back on-line.  You will need to update any bookmarks you have to the various embedded tables.  You can do so by visiting the group website and following the various links on the Results tab, or you can edit the old links by replacing

 

"geocities.com/R1b1c9"

 

with

 

"weston-genealogy.net/R_U106"

 

If you find any broken links in the tables or on the results page please let me know off-line.

 

Thank you.

 

Cheers, David.

 

David Weston

 

Group Co-Administrator

R1b-U106/S21+ Research Group

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/U106/

 

Group Administrator

East Anglia Geographic DNA Project

http://www.weston-genealogy.net/eagdna/frame_set.html

 

----- Original Message -----

From: David Weston

To: R1b1c_U106-S21@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 2:06 AM

Subject: [R1b1c_U106-S21] R-U106 group website results tables back on-line

 

Good Evening,

 

The R-U106 group website results tables are back on-line.  You will need to update any bookmarks you have to the various embedded tables.  You can do so by visiting the group website and following the various links on the Results tab, or you can edit the old links by replacing

 

"geocities.com/R1b1c9"

 

with

 

"weston-genealogy.net/R_U106"

 

If you find any broken links in the tables or on the results page please let me know off-line.

 

Thank you.

 

Cheers, David.

 

David Weston

 

Group Co-Administrator

R1b-U106/S21+ Research Group

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/U106/

 

Group Administrator

East Anglia Geographic DNA Project

http://www.weston-genealogy.net/eagdna/frame_set.html