well...you probly violated rule numero uno...which is

DO NOT MEET YOUR HEROS!!!

I work really hard at NOT doing that...this past month...it fucked me up real
bad...but I stuck to the rule...

we got a good "applied theory" here...okay...GREAT!...GET TO WORK!!!

--- In REBT-CBT-FORUM@yahoogroups.com, "JimmyWFL" <jwalter@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Gunar.
> I respect and admire all of the pro's and semi-pro's on this site. Yeah, I can
be less than diplomatic. And I get hot in discussion - part of my tourette's
syndrome. I am proud to know all of you.
>

Thanks Gunar.
I respect and admire all of the pro's and semi-pro's on this site. Yeah, I can
be less than diplomatic. And I get hot in discussion - part of my tourette's
syndrome. I am proud to know all of you.

--- In REBT-CBT-FORUM@yahoogroups.com, "Gunars Neiders, Ph.D." <neidersg@...>
wrote:
>
> Jimmy,
>
> It occurred to me that in his will there may not have been a statement of
> who gets the royalties and Debbie's and the Institute's lawyers are arguing
> over it, enjoying to argue over it, and making $150-$200 an hour until the
> other side gives up. Say each of the lawyers runs up hours payable to 1000
> hours that may end up to be a cool $200,000 on each side.
>
> If that is the case, Jimmy, you are a smart dude and probably can save
> Debbie a lot of heartaches.
>
>
>
> "Time to admit my mortality and put health as my priority! Can't have
> pleasure tomorrow, if I am not around tomorrow! :-)"
>
>         Gunars
>
>   _____
>
> From: REBT-CBT-FORUM@yahoogroups.com [mailto:REBT-CBT-FORUM@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Jimmy Walter
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 10:09 AM
> To: REBT-CBT-FORUM@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [REBT-CBT-FORUM] I have reached Debbie. I will try to find out
> status of book
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Money is just stones and paper.
>
>
>
> "If a psychiatric and scientific enquiry were to be made upon our rulers,
> mankind would be appalled at the disclosures....When we say 'our rulers', we
> mean those who are engaged in the manipulation of symbols (bankers, priests,
> lawyers, politicians, [media]). We must consider ourselves a symbolic,
> semantic class of life, and cannot cease from being so. those who control
> the symbols rule us." - Korzybski
>

also had a psychiatrist that was a WWII concentration camp survivor like 25
years ago...talk therapy...in the days before therapy was en vogue...no waiting
lines...she was kind and compassionate...

then...guess wot...earlier this year...serendipity ha!...I met a second camp
survivor! AT THE FUCKING DENTIST WAITING FOR MY TEEF CLEANING! HA!!!! I thought
I saw small tatoos on the arm...and she noticed and came over and sat next to me
and we talked for a few minutes...pretty neat!!!!!

try being the brother of somebody in that state...and cults involved...and
corrupt attorneys...

...i DESERVE some closure...or not...REBT again...

old joke..."Nurse GET OFF!"..."I AM I AM!!!!"....

...I miss my identical twin brother also...he was ugly though...another old
joke...

--- In REBT-CBT-FORUM@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew" <philosopher1981@...> wrote:
>
> My gosh I can't imagine!
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8375326.stm
>

My gosh I can't imagine!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8375326.stm

Gunars, my funny friend. You said worst case scenario. I see borrowing money as
a bad thing. I'm not planing on it. OY!

Andrew

--- In REBT-CBT-FORUM@yahoogroups.com, "Gunars Neiders, Ph.D." <neidersg@...>
wrote:
>
> Counting on a loan is entitlement mentality and it might be an illusion that
> you get it. Find out how much the bus fare back is, earn that money and set
> it aside. Period.
>
>
>
> "Time to admit my mortality and put health as my priority! Can't have
> pleasure tomorrow, if I am not around tomorrow! :-)"
>
>         Gunars
>
>   _____
>
> From: REBT-CBT-FORUM@yahoogroups.com [mailto:REBT-CBT-FORUM@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Andrew
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 7:45 PM
> To: REBT-CBT-FORUM@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [REBT-CBT-FORUM] Re: And I did give money to Ellis personally
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In REBT-CBT-FORUM@yahoogroups.com, "Gunars Neiders, Ph.D."
> <neidersg@> wrote:
> >
> > I think you can either:
> >
> >
> >
> > a) Do the worst case analysis. For Florida, it things don't work out,
> > save enough money for a bus fare back to Columbus, Ohio.
>
> Well shit. Lets see how I feel in two days.  It seems that the worse case of
> either is not horrible.  I might as well try a) Yes, I can come back to
> Columbus.  I will not be on the streets if it doesn't work out.  I can try
> to get a job in Tampa if not I scuttle my butt humbly back to Ohio.   I'll
> give it a couple months.
>
> If I'm still married I'll ask the in laws for a loan. If not I'll ask my dad
> (which would be embarrassing but not terrible).
>
> If I just don't like it I'll just come back.  My friends will still be here
> drinking and chatting philosophy and I will at least enjoy a few months in
> Tampa which could be quite fun.
>
> If that doesn't work I'll sleep in Gunars' garage.
>
> Andrew
>
>
> >
> > b) For Ohio, if the pain passed a threshold that you decide you don't
> > want to bear, go to Tampa.
> >
> >
> >
> > Then give yourself two days to mull it over. At the end of two days, flip
> a
> > fricken coin.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Time to admit my mortality and put health as my priority! Can't have
> > pleasure tomorrow, if I am not around tomorrow! :-)"
> >
> > Gunars
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: REBT-CBT-FORUM@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:REBT-CBT-FORUM@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of Andrew
> > Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 5:52 AM
> > To: REBT-CBT-FORUM@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [REBT-CBT-FORUM] Re: And I did give money to Ellis personally
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Rex,
> >
> > It is not that I think cost benefit analysis is unhelpful but that It
> often
> > shows exactly what you said
> >
> > "there are no perfect solutions to problems, no ideal scenarios, and that
> > "right" and "wrong" decisions only exist with the benefit of hindsight"
> >
> > Sometimes I'm able to see the benefits and examine the trade offs clearly
> > and make a definitive decision but often I find that there is no
> "rational"
> > way to decide.
> >
> > I often want a more optimal outcome. It is not a demand for "certainty"
> but
> > one for probabilities that I can't determine. Equally, irrational I know.
> >
> > In the case of the Florida thing I want to stay in Ohio with my large
> > network of friends but I don't want to have to deal with winter. Which is
> > just flat impossible. So there are conflicting emotions here.
> >
> > Thanks for the other suggestions I'll try them on future dilemmas. Hmm..
> > we've gotten off the thread topic a bit though. Feel free to email me any
> > additional thoughts.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Andrew.
> >
>

1.Today, I enjoyed learning from the experiences of those on the message board.

2. Since I have given up on externally created meaning of life, I created some
meaning by working my ass off studying Java even though it is not fun.

3. What I accomplished: Took my test.. Och.. but I'm sure I passed.

4. What I found difficult: Anxiety about Florida but found the suggestions of
Rex and Gunars helpful. Some anxiety about whether MIS is a good fit for me.

5. What I accepted: Not sure.

6. A current life goal of mine is to be less anxious.  I am pursuing this goal
by working though some of my issues on the forum. Formulating some problem
statements and making some decisions. When I was anxious today I put on some
ocean waves.

7. My plan for tomorrow is Work on my Stats project. Handle some insurance crap
and make some phone calls.

By the way:
Screw living in your garage Gunars (see previous post) now that I know you have
a vacation home. :)

Lyrica increase good alcohol feelings but also increases hangover too. I doubt
Neurontin is much better. Time to cut back.

--- In REBT-CBT-FORUM@yahoogroups.com, "Gunars Neiders, Ph.D." <neidersg@...>
wrote:
>
> 1)         What good things (serendipities) happened? - Car mirror came in
> to gas station. My cell phone cured itself. My wife smartly refused to take
> in her friends in our vacation home. I am alive. Jimmy contacted
> Debbie-maybe we will find out what is happening with Ellis' autobiography.
> If anyone has unjaundiced view, he does. He may also help her.
>
> 2)         What did I accomplish? - Advanced the binding of my dissertation.
> Replaced the car phone charger that got lost.
>
> 3)         What did I enjoy? Eating a good unhealthy meal-got to stop that
> sh*t. My wife's company. E-mail interchanges with Jeremy.
>
> 4)         What unfortunate thing was I able to accept? That the Latvian
> minister and his wife, my wife's friends acted like total a**holes, and my
> wife choose to-for the time being-feel badly for them when she had to refuse
> her house to be sublet to them.That my meds appear to the screwing around
> with my relaxing over a couple of beers; I get instant hangover.
> !!!!!!!!!!!!!! My doctor does not understand my after exercise illness and I
> let the sucker of the hook-being a forever fallible human being I let him
> talk about cardiology and not nail him down on my erstwhile topic.
>
> 5)         What is my plan for tomorrow? - Enjoy :-) my two hour teeth "deep
> cleaning". Take back some of the Spanish material I borrowed from the
> library. Work on dissertation binding and internship finding.
>
> 6)         What could I have done better? Not eat fat and salty food. Write
> down everything that goes in my mouth.
>
>  7)       What did I do to not get stressed-so I don't feel the need to
> overeat or have alcohol: Listened to all-audio Spanish learning course.
>
> "Time to admit my mortality and put health as my priority! Can't have
> pleasure tomorrow, if I am not around tomorrow! :-)"
>
>         Gunars
>

Rex,

Were you married during any of that time?  Because when you are married you're
not allowed to make mistakes or need years to turn things around. I hate to be
dragging my wife through my crap. But the truth is I need some time to get back
on track.

I don't drink much. Just once a week. I can't really drink too much because the
drug I'm on for neuropathy greatly exaggerates the effect of alcohol.

I'm just jobless without a career and have chronic pain. I'm mostly just having
trouble finding a direction and not getting discouraged since I graduated with
my first degree in 2004 and have not accomplished much since.

Andrew





Things improved considerably when I stopped drinking and using in 1984, at least
in the sense that I arrested the "demon" that was making a train wreck out of my
life.  But it took a long time before I felt as though I was making any progress
and getting any real traction.  That in spite of having been a counselor and
involved in the so called "Human Potential Movement" and "New Agey Crap" for
more than a decade, as well as, during sobriety,  traditional psychotherapy
including tricyclic anti-depressants.

Nothing began to change in a substantive way until through serendipity and
crappy job market in Hawaii, I took a job teaching English in Japan.  That
changed everything.  But even then, things never really got interesting until
ten years ago until I realized that Hawaii was a mistake, at least for me.  That
was  when I came to Thailand, and things got interesting, but  never really got
sweet until the past five years.

Although REBT and a number of other things are quite helpful--and more recently
yoga enhances my life--any progress I have made has come from making decisions,
sometimes difficult ones, and taking action, sometimes risky action.

Aloha,

Rex

Rex, I'm hoping with some help from you guys. I can get on the right track
before my 40s and stop fucking up my life. Why reinvent the wheel right? :)

Andrew

Gunars,

When I worked researching payments for OFAC compliance I would often listen to
lectures from Berkeley's website. Unfortunately that was only a few hours each
day then I had to do phone calls.

Now that I have my Ipod I just download stuff to listen to while cleaning makes
me look forward to picking up the apartment. :)

Andrew



--- In REBT-CBT-FORUM@yahoogroups.com, "Gunars Neiders, Ph.D." <neidersg@...>
wrote:
>
> Rex et al,
>
>
>
> Do you sometimes play mind games to get through a rough patch at work? I
> invariably do, so that I can do things I don't like. Or, if possible,
> mundane work as cleaning up the kitchen with learning Spanish. Why "learning
> Spanish"? Just because I have taught myself to love to learn, or at least
> try to learn. While I am listening to all audio Spanish courses, I can't
> think of pain or how I might not like what I am doing. Things have to get
> done-like paying bills. My wife likes a background of TV films or shit as
> that. To each his own.
>
>
>
> "Time to admit my mortality and put health as my priority! Can't have
> pleasure tomorrow, if I am not around tomorrow! :-)"
>
>         Gunars
>

Gunars,

Really you didn't like your work?  (Steve, do you like your work?) Yet
you did it that many years.  Wow!  Still you must have been good at it.
They don't assign bozos to work on Apollo missions.  What Apollo
missions did you work on?

Even if I didn't like it I would at least want to be good at my work.
Murray says that it takes a creative genius to borrow from fields very
far from their own.  I'm not sure I'm that intelligent.

Sure I see Plato in Java and conceptually I get it but that doesn't not
mean I'm good at syntax.  And while I'm good a reading Greek and Hebrew
you don't have to call methods on objects in human languages.  Maybe I
need a more human focused field.

Now different people tell me different things about how much programming
is actually required.  If I keep working my ass of I might get a B in my
Java class.  If MIS is more about business requirements ect and
bullshitting with people  I think I could do that well even if its not
my passion. I would not want to spend most of my time programming
though.

I wish I would have stayed at my old job (they would have paid for some
schooling) but I didn't like it and I was in a lot of pain so I didn't
think I could handle both. (Now I could I think)  I'd go back (I miss
the paycheck) but they are not posting many positions these days.

I'm surprised you're not working on AI Gunars.
I like the Ellis quote.  Gunars, how well and in what manner did you
know Ellis?

Andrew


--- In REBT-CBT-FORUM@yahoogroups.com, "Gunars Neiders, Ph.D."
<neidersg@...> wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
>
>
> This is my take:
>
>
>
> I grew up with the queer idea that work is called work for a reason. I
> believe that 95% of the people do not like their work. I worked hard
at
> being an engineer, even though I did not like it. Sometimes, like when
I was
> on Apollo moonshot, 13:00 hour days. We had two shifts and we had to
> interchange information of what was happening at both sides of the
shift.
>
>
>
> I was always insecure about my job, but ended up working 36 years for
Boeing
> company. That type of longevity is no longer possible for most
persons. So
> you have to keep up your skills and try to find a company where they
pay for
> off hours education. You may also find a company where they keep you
longer
> than 1-3 years, if the company does not go bankrupt, and if you have
people
> skills to suck up to your management as I did.
>
>
>
> Being good at something in school, and being good in the workplace are
not
> the same thing. That is why I had Andrew read "Borrowed Brilliance". I
> thought maybe he could combine his programming/MIS with his
philosophical
> bent. Even advance artificial intelligence, which once I was thinking
of
> doing myself. Murray really says that one can find a way to define a
problem
> and then methodologically find the solution. He gives steps of how to.
But
> the problem best be defined right.
>
>
>
> There is a social reality out there. Even in United States we will get
> poorer and poorer, except if you correctly borrow brilliance from
others.
>
>
>
> You and Andrew should get acquainted with "Reality Therapy" by
Glasser.
> There are websites that summarize it very well. Pissing and moaning
just
> will not do.
>
>
>
> But I understand that I made a serendipitous choice by joining Boeing.
As
> Ellis used to say, "Sometimes this world really stinks, Gunars. If you
know
> of a better world (meaning a world with different social and physical
> reality), tell me about it and I will race you to get there first."
:-)
>
>
>
> "Time to admit my mortality and put health as my priority! Can't have
> pleasure tomorrow, if I am not around tomorrow! :-)"
>
>         Gunars
>
>   _____
>
> From: REBT-CBT-FORUM@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:REBT-CBT-FORUM@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Steve
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 11:41 AM
> To: REBT-CBT-FORUM@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [REBT-CBT-FORUM] Re: Borrowing Brilliance
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Andrew <philosopher1981@
> <mailto:philosopher1981%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> wrote
> > I don't particularly feel that about MIS. I don't really think that
is one
> of the fields I can uniquely contribute to. I choose this to try to
get a
> better job that's it. There is slight interest here. I don't even know
if I
> like it. I know I don't like programming.
>
> I'm in that field. IMHO it is not the best idea to go into it if you
> don't enjoy programming. Jobs in it tend not to be secure. The
> interesting ones, where you develop apps dry it up in 1-3 years.
> Outsourcing is also taking many of the jobs away.
>
> Not enjoying the work is a good reason to find something else right
> now before you get deeper into the MIS.
>
> Steve
> --
> Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our
> power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our
> freedom.
> Viktor E. Frankl
>

Yeah works now.

--- In REBT-CBT-FORUM@yahoogroups.com, "JimmyWFL" <jwalter@...> wrote:
>
> link wopks for me
>
> --- In REBT-CBT-FORUM@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew" <philosopher1981@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Link is dead.
> >
> > --- In REBT-CBT-FORUM@yahoogroups.com, "Jimmy Walter" <jwalter@> wrote:
> > >
> > > http://www.dailypaul.com/node/115733
> > >
> > > Money is just stones and paper.
> > >
> > > "If a psychiatric and scientific enquiry were to be made upon our rulers,
> > > mankind would be appalled at the disclosures....When we say 'our rulers',
we
> > > mean those who are engaged in the manipulation of symbols (bankers,
priests,
> > > lawyers, politicians, [media]). We must consider ourselves a symbolic,
> > > semantic class of life, and cannot cease from being so. those who control
> > > the symbols rule us." - Korzybski
> > >
> >
>

Steve,

What type of role are you in? So you do a good deal of programming?  Java stuff?
See I thought that it leaned more to the business side with some interesting
technology elements. I was aiming at a business analyst/systems analyst type
role.

It seemed interesting at first but if I'm not good at programming and that is
strongly required than.. well I may need to reevaluate.. I passing my classes
may actually do well I just don't like it.

I've done about a year of classes. Most of them mathematics courses. This is my
first semester in Java. I thought maybe the Systems Analysis and Databases
classes might be more enjoyable.

Also interested on more on the market How to break in to this field.

Your clarifications would be much much appreciated.

Thanks
Andrew

--- In REBT-CBT-FORUM@yahoogroups.com, Steve <epictetus123@...> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Andrew <philosopher1981@...> wrote
> > I don't particularly feel that about MIS. I don't really think that is one
of the fields I can uniquely contribute to. I choose this to try to get a better
job that's it. There is slight interest here. I don't even know if I like it. I
know I don't like programming.
>
> I'm in that field.   IMHO it is not the best idea to go into it if you
> don't enjoy programming.    Jobs in it tend not to be secure.   The
> interesting ones, where you develop apps dry it up in 1-3 years.
> Outsourcing is also taking many of the jobs away.
>
> Not enjoying the work is a good reason to find something else right
> now before you get deeper into the MIS.
>
> Steve
> --
> Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our
> power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our
> freedom.
> Viktor E. Frankl
>

On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Andrew <philosopher1981@...> wrote
> I don't particularly feel that about MIS. I don't really think that is one of
the fields I can uniquely contribute to. I choose this to try to get a better
job that's it. There is slight interest here. I don't even know if I like it. I
know I don't like programming.

I'm in that field.   IMHO it is not the best idea to go into it if you
don't enjoy programming.    Jobs in it tend not to be secure.   The
interesting ones, where you develop apps dry it up in 1-3 years.
Outsourcing is also taking many of the jobs away.

Not enjoying the work is a good reason to find something else right
now before you get deeper into the MIS.

Steve
--
Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our
power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our
freedom.
Viktor E. Frankl

Gunars, I did like the part of the book about problem statements.
You have indeed summed up my problem correctly "to combine making money and
doing what I like to do".

Exactly, that with a qualification I like to do allot of things. I have
interests in a variety of fields, psychology, philosophy, religion ect.. I want
to make some sort of unique contribution to one these fields and feel like I'm
working on problem worth devoting a life to. I just don't quite know which
direction to go.

I don't particularly feel that about MIS. I don't really think that is one of
the fields I can uniquely contribute to. I choose this to try to get a better
job that's it. There is slight interest here. I don't even know if I like it. I
know I don't like programming.

Your wrote: "I truly believe you would rather pontificate than work. You can
never become happy-even on occasions, if you pontificate and worry instead of
decide and do"

Perhaps, you are right. Still, there is also the question of what to do. It by
no means seems clear to me. I tend to act just in 20 different directions at the
same time.  I do know that my discussions with you guys actually is helping me a
ton.

Okay back to studying.

Thanks,

Andrew.


--- In REBT-CBT-FORUM@yahoogroups.com, "Gunars Neiders, Ph.D." <neidersg@...>
wrote:
>
> Andrew,
>
> You missed the point of the book. There is an action plan for you: 1) First
> you have to come up with the problem to solve-I think in your thought is how
> to combine making money and doing what you like to do (being famous will
> come out of it if you are dedicated enough, have the fricken brain
> power-which none of us know a priori, and associate with people who can
> contribute to your goal and then  and 2)  he has an  action plan that if you
> are not daft you can follow.
>
>
>
> I truly believe you would rather pontificate than work. You can never become
> happy-even on occasions, if you pontificate and worry instead of decide and
> do. And Murray really gives you a step by step plan in his "Borrowed
> Brilliance". I read in your reply the attitude of a person who thinks their
> goal is to judge, instead of do.
>
>
>
> "Time to admit my mortality and put health as my priority! Can't have
> pleasure tomorrow, if I am not around tomorrow! :-)"
>
>         Gunars
>
>   _____
>
> From: REBT-CBT-FORUM@yahoogroups.com [mailto:REBT-CBT-FORUM@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Andrew
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 6:05 AM
> To: REBT-CBT-FORUM@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [REBT-CBT-FORUM] Re: Borrowing Brilliance
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Okay well I finished it. I don't have time to do a full review but here are
> a number my thoughts. Overall I thought the book was good.
>
> I do feel Murray belabored the point of "borrowing" in creativity. Of
> course, that is what we do. Why would we think otherwise? Our very
> linguistic patterns are borrowed from previous generations. I found his
> discussion of the evolution of ideas interesting but again nothing new.
>
> What most intrigued be was his discussion of the way the mind runs down
> repetitive paths and can get locked into them. This seems to have some
> application to depression where the same thing occurs.
>
> He briefly touched on creativity in defining ourselves. I wish he would have
> wrote more about this. Since that is what I would like to do. I've gotten
> stuck on in an infinite while loop where my mind runs down the same paths
> rather than being adaptable to new realities.
>
> I like his quotation from Darwin:
>
> It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most
> intelligent that survives. It is the one most adaptable to change.
>
> Andrew
>
> --- In REBT-CBT-FORUM@ <mailto:REBT-CBT-FORUM%40yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com, "Andrew" <philosopher1981@> wrote:
> >
> > Almost done.
> >
> > --- In REBT-CBT-FORUM@ <mailto:REBT-CBT-FORUM%40yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com, "Andrew" <philosopher1981@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Gunars, I typed a big response to one of your recent posts that I had
> overlooked about this and other things and then had a computer issue and I
> lost the message. So this is actually just a teaser.
> > >
> > > You will just have to wait for me to finish it! :) Then we will chat
> more. By the way when are you going to respond to my email.
> > >
> > > Andrew
> > >
> >
>

Hi Shishir,

You wrote: >>Will anyone suggest any books on social skills training to be recommended to the clients, or that I can read to help them?<<

Try "People Skills" by Robert Bolton. It's very comprehensive and best for strong readers. http://www.amazon.com/People-Skills-Yourself-Resolve-Conflicts/dp/067162248X

You might also find "How to Talk to Anyone" to be useful. A very easy read -- ideal for people who don't read much. http://www.amazon.com/How-Talk-Anyone-Success-Relationships/dp/007141858X/  (I once found a copy of this online in eBook format. If you spend some time Googling, you may find it--though it's almost certainly a pirate copy. Beware!).

Another book that's easy to read is "How to Start a Conversation and Make Friends" By Don Gabor. http://www.amazon.com/How-Start-Conversation-Make-Friends/dp/0684868016/

Others that are more situation-specific include:

For a book on assertiveness, try "The Assertive Option" by Patricia Jakubowski and Arthur Lange. This is an REBT-based book http://www.amazon.com/Assertive-Option-Your-Rights-Responsibilities/dp/0878221921

For a book on meeting potential lovers, try "Intimate Connections" by David Burns. This includes many ideas from cognitive therapy http://www.amazon.com/Intimate-Connections-David-D-Burns/dp/0451148452/

Regards,

Will

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