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Re: How to operationalize the arbitrary/non arbitrary distinction?   Message List  
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SV: [RFT] How to operationalize the arbitrary/non arbitrary distinction?

I was actually hoping to do the ”I’ll show you how deep the rabbit hole really goes” bit, lets do it at the same time, in different rooms. Or the same? Black leather coats in Reno in June. Sounds like a hot idea.

 

And how many ways do we need to say that AFAWK humans AARR the only verbal beings on the planet? I mean, to me (who is, again, but an egg) it seems from the discussion here that once AARR starts, it’s hard to find a way of doing pure NARR? And if it’s argued that AARR is somehow an enlargement in the behavioural repertoire of a organism, I don’t see that they need to be exclusive, like you said. AARR(AARR AND NARR), NARR(NARR NOT AARR). Then based on the perspective that all is behaviour, even physical is behaviour and becomes susceptible to arbitrary relations, eh?

 

 

 

Andreas Larsson


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Glad you enjoyed the workshop Andreas! Next time we’ll both wear shades and offer red and blue pills at the start. Hmm… possible follies sketch.

 

I think the distinction between AARR and NARR is crucial for a number of reasons. For one thing, and not necessarily the most important theoretically or otherwise, it separates our species from all others we know of – at least in so far as we are exceptionally good at doing AARR whereas no other species seems to be able to get too far past the NARR ‘starting gate’.

 

Another possible definition of AARR- responding relationally under the control of a contextual cue that specifies the relation such that the relational response can be brought to bear on any relata regardless of their physical properties.

 

(Commence fire!)

 

Ian

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