Thanks to member "p85014" I was able to track down the following

information.



The old discontinued in the USA "Radio YourWay LX" was called the

TalkMaster II or TalkMaster 2 by its manufacturer and appears t still

be available for sale



The new CC Witness is actually called a "TalkMaster Slim BT" and in

Japan is available in White Red Silver Black(CC Witness) and 2 pastel

colours Light Pink and a Light Blue



If you look at the following picture, it certainly has a socket that

looks similar to an iPod's socket except that it is slightly off

centre.

[http://suntac.jp/shopping/talkmaster/tmslimwt/img/option_icon_03.jpg]



The CCrane website now says out of stock until 08/01/08

for  "kneeditnow" <kneeditnow@...>





go to www.suntac.jp/shopping and you can order either the Talkmaster

Slim (CCrane Witness) for $368 or the Talkmaster II (Radio your Way)

for $212.    Their page says "free shipping" but that is probably

for Japan shipments only.  I don't know if the software allows

switching to English.  On my Pogo I can go to Languages on the menu,

and check Japanese, but it still displays in English.



They also have a remote for the Slim model....so you can operate it

without removing it from your pocket, backpack or purse.  This

attaches to the slot in the bottom.  So I doubt very much if that

slot is for any iPod attachments. The Talkmaster II had a cradle

that used contacts in the bottom.



Note that the TM Slim allows you to split files.....maybe this will

allow you to delete a portion after you have split the file.



Apparently, this model is very popular in Japan to learn English, as

they offer memory cards with English lessons installed.

Are there accessories available for the TalkMaster II/TalkMaster 2 like

batteries, cases, etc?











----

Visit http://gabey8.blogspot.com today. :-)













-----Original Message-----

From: kneeditnow <kneeditnow@...>

To: RadioYourway@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 2:44 pm

Subject: [RadioYourway] CC Witness is the TalkMaster Slim





















Thanks to member "p85014" I was able to track down the following

information.



The old discontinued in the USA "Radio YourWay LX" was called the

TalkMaster II or TalkMaster 2 by its manufacturer and appears t still

be available for sale



The new CC Witness is actually called a "TalkMaster Slim BT" and in

Japan is available in White Red Silver Black(CC Witness) and 2 pastel

colours Light Pink and a Light Blue



If you look at the following picture, it certainly has a socket that

looks similar to an iPod's socket except that it is slightly off

centre.

[http://suntac.jp/shopping/talkmaster/tmslimwt/img/option_icon_03.jpg]



The CCrane website now says out of stock until 08/01/08



















[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi all,



I just found you guys while looking for a good MP3 recorder. I have a

few items to share.



1. The Korean source of the C.Crane Witness

2. Does the C.Crane Witness have plug-in power for external mics?

3. The DDR-5000 recorder



1. I don't know if this has already been posted, but I'm pretty that

the Diasonic 4300 is the Korean source for the C.Crane Witness and the

Japanese Suntac Talkmaster Slim. Check out:

http://www.diasonic.com/english_re/product/ddr4100.php



I sent this message to Diasonic: "Pardon the small customer inquiry,

but the DDR-4300 has attracted my attention. Could you provide me with

information on any American retailer that sells the DDR-4300?

Maybe someone is selling the model on EBay under some re-branded model

name?" I'll let you know if I get a response.



2. I sent this question to C.Crane: "Does the CCrane Witness have

microphone plug-in power? I see that your 'Voz Stereo Microphone' is

coming soon, but will that need a battery powered pre-amp or can you

just plug it in to the Witness?" Does anybody on this list that

already has a Witness know the answer to this question?



3. Does anyone have experience with the DDR 5000 recorder?

http://www.diasonic.com/english_re/product/ddr5000.php

https://eyespypro.com/products/The-Diasonic-DDR5K-Voice-Bank-Pro-Digital-Audio-R\

ecorder.html



Last note... the info over at the O'Reilly Digital Recorder forum

seems to be good:

http://forums.oreilly.com/content/Audio-Community/20/Portable-Digital-Recorders/

A reviewer over there loves the Olympus LS-10 (it's about $300 and

records in MP3)

http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/2008/05/22/olympus-ls-10-recorder-review.html



-Brian



--- In RadioYourway@yahoogroups.com, "kneeditnow" <kneeditnow@...> wrote:

>

> Thanks to member "p85014" I was able to track down the following

> information.

>

> The old discontinued in the USA "Radio YourWay LX" was called the

> TalkMaster II or TalkMaster 2 by its manufacturer and appears t still

> be available for sale

>

> The new CC Witness is actually called a "TalkMaster Slim BT" and in

> Japan is available in White Red Silver Black(CC Witness) and 2 pastel

> colours Light Pink and a Light Blue

>

> If you look at the following picture, it certainly has a socket that

> looks similar to an iPod's socket except that it is slightly off

> centre.

> [http://suntac.jp/shopping/talkmaster/tmslimwt/img/option_icon_03.jpg]

>

> The CCrane website now says out of stock until 08/01/08

>

CC Crane has a 08-12-08 note on the

Witness site talking about a "new

feature" one touch recording "coming

soon"   Not sure if this means a

firmware upgrade, and still unclear

where one would go for this.



It would appear that any small plug

in MIC would suffice for recording

on the Witness.



As for the LS-10, I am one of the

reviewers on O'Reilly and elsewhere,

and the Olympus is now one of the top

3 small portable solid state recorders,

with the Marantz 620 and SONY PCM-D50.

Hi RYW yahoogroup,



Just an update on some of my search about the CCrane Witness.



1. I haven't heard back from Diasonic yet. Maybe that confirms they

collaborated with CCrane to produce the Witness and CCrane has

exclusive English distribution of the Diasonic 4300.



2. I got a message back from CCrane about microphone plug-in power on

the Witness. A not-so-helpful and not-so-technical response:



> Dear Brian,

>

> Thank you for taking the time to contact our company.  One with a

> preamp will work best, but most passive mics should work fine

> (though sound quality will vary).

>

> If you have additional questions or we can be of further assistance

> please email or call our toll free number.

>

> John Wilder

> Customer Support Supervisor

> C. Crane Company, Inc.



3. I still wonder, does anyone on this list have any experience with

the DDR 5000 recorder? It comes with attachments to record phone lines

and cellphones... looks nice but I can't find any reviews.

https://eyespypro.com/products/The-Diasonic-DDR5K-Voice-Bank-Pro-Digital-Audio-R\

ecorder.html



-Brian



--- In RadioYourway@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Robinson" <darobin12001@...>

wrote:

>

> CC Crane has a 08-12-08 note on the

> Witness site talking about a "new

> feature" one touch recording "coming

> soon"   Not sure if this means a

> firmware upgrade, and still unclear

> where one would go for this.

>

> It would appear that any small plug

> in MIC would suffice for recording

> on the Witness.

>

> As for the LS-10, I am one of the

> reviewers on O'Reilly and elsewhere,

> and the Olympus is now one of the top

> 3 small portable solid state recorders,

> with the Marantz 620 and SONY PCM-D50.

>

--- In RadioYourway@yahoogroups.com, "Brian LaLonde" <blalond@...> wrote:

>

> Hi all,

>

> I just found you guys while looking for a good MP3 recorder. I have a

> few items to share.

>

> 1. The Korean source of the C.Crane Witness

> 2. Does the C.Crane Witness have plug-in power for external mics?

> 3. The DDR-5000 recorder

>

> 1. I don't know if this has already been posted, but I'm pretty that

> the Diasonic 4300 is the Korean source for the C.Crane Witness and the

> Japanese Suntac Talkmaster Slim. Check out:

> http://www.diasonic.com/english_re/product/ddr4100.php

>

> I sent this message to Diasonic: "Pardon the small customer inquiry,

> but the DDR-4300 has attracted my attention. Could you provide me with

> information on any American retailer that sells the DDR-4300?

> Maybe someone is selling the model on EBay under some re-branded model

> name?" I'll let you know if I get a response.

>

> 2. I sent this question to C.Crane: "Does the CCrane Witness have

> microphone plug-in power? I see that your 'Voz Stereo Microphone' is

> coming soon, but will that need a battery powered pre-amp or can you

> just plug it in to the Witness?" Does anybody on this list that

> already has a Witness know the answer to this question?

>

> 3. Does anyone have experience with the DDR 5000 recorder?

> http://www.diasonic.com/english_re/product/ddr5000.php

>

https://eyespypro.com/products/The-Diasonic-DDR5K-Voice-Bank-Pro-Digital-Audio-R\

ecorder.html

>

> Last note... the info over at the O'Reilly Digital Recorder forum

> seems to be good:

>

http://forums.oreilly.com/content/Audio-Community/20/Portable-Digital-Recorders/

> A reviewer over there loves the Olympus LS-10 (it's about $300 and

> records in MP3)

>

http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/2008/05/22/olympus-ls-10-recorder-review.html

>

> -Brian

>

John has been At CCrane for years and he knows his stuff -- or knows where he

can find the answers.? If you were looking for more technical info, call the

toll-free # during the day and ask for John -- I'm certain that he'll take your

call or will call you back.







-- Bob





-----Original Message-----

From: Brian LaLonde <blalond@...>

To: RadioYourway@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 3:45 pm

Subject: [RadioYourway] Re: CC Witness is the TalkMaster Slim











Hi RYW yahoogroup,



Just an update on some of my search about the CCrane Witness.



1. I haven't heard back from Diasonic yet. Maybe that confirms they

collaborated with CCrane to produce the Witness and CCrane has

exclusive English distribution of the Diasonic 4300.



2. I got a message back from CCrane about microphone plug-in power on

the Witness. A not-so-helpful and not-so-technical response:



> Dear Brian,

>

> Thank you for taking the time to contact our company.  One with a

> preamp will work best, but most passive mics should work fine

> (though sound quality will vary).

>

> If you have additional questions or we can be of further assistance

> please email or call our toll free number.

>

> John Wilder

> Customer Support Supervisor

> C. Crane Company, Inc.



3. I still wonder, does anyone on this list have any experience with

the DDR 5000 recorder? It comes with attachments to record phone lines

and cellphones... looks nice but I can't find any reviews.

https://eyespypro.com/products/The-Diasonic-DDR5K-Voice-Bank-Pro-Digital-Audio-R\

ecorder.html



-Brian



--- In RadioYourway@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Robinson" <darobin12001@...>

wrote:

>

> CC Crane has a 08-12-08 note on the

> Witness site talking about a "new

> feature" one touch recording "coming

> soon"   Not sure if this means a

> firmware upgrade, and still unclear

> where one would go for this.

>

> It would appear that any small plug

> in MIC would suffice for recording

> on the Witness.

>

> As for the LS-10, I am one of the

> reviewers on O'Reilly and elsewhere,

> and the Olympus is now one of the top

> 3 small portable solid state recorders,

> with the Marantz 620 and SONY PCM-D50.

>

--- In RadioYourway@yahoogroups.com, "Brian LaLonde" <blalond@...> wrote:

>

> Hi all,

>

> I just found you guys while looking for a good MP3 recorder. I have a

> few items to share.

>

> 1. The Korean source of the C.Crane Witness

> 2. Does the C.Crane Witness have plug-in power for external mics?

> 3. The DDR-5000 recorder

>

> 1. I don't know if this has alre

ady been posted, but I'm pretty that

> the Diasonic 4300 is the Korean source for the C.Crane Witness and the

> Japanese Suntac Talkmaster Slim. Check out:

> http://www.diasonic.com/english_re/product/ddr4100.php

>

> I sent this message to Diasonic: "Pardon the small customer inquiry,

> but the DDR-4300 has attracted my attention. Could you provide me with

> information on any American retailer that sells the DDR-4300?

> Maybe someone is selling the model on EBay under some re-branded model

> name?" I'll let you know if I get a response.

>

> 2. I sent this question to C.Crane: "Does the CCrane Witness have

> microphone plug-in power? I see that your 'Voz Stereo Microphone' is

> coming soon, but will that need a battery powered pre-amp or can you

> just plug it in to the Witness?" Does anybody on this list that

> already has a Witness know the answer to this question?

>

> 3. Does anyone have experience with the DDR 5000 recorder?

> http://www.diasonic.com/english_re/product/ddr5000.php

>

https://eyespypro.com/products/The-Diasonic-DDR5K-Voice-Bank-Pro-Digital-Audio-R\

ecorder.html

>

> Last note... the info over at the O'Reilly Digital Recorder forum

> seems to be good:

>

http://forums.oreilly.com/content/Audio-Community/20/Portable-Digital-Recorders/

> A reviewer over there loves the Olympus LS-10 (it's about $300 and

> records in MP3)

>

http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/2008/05/22/olympus-ls-10-recorder-review.html

>

> -Brian

>





------------------------------------



Yahoo! Groups Links















[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I believe that the CC Witness is a Crane exclusive, just like the CCRecorder,

the VersaCorder, and the CCRadio -- it was designed by Crane engineers.? I'm

sure they researched all the other mp3 recorders on the market, but I don't

think they used them as models.? I think they took the best features and added

some of their own.? Anytime Crane precedes an item with "CC", it is generally a

Crane designed product.







Many of their products are made in South Africa.



-- Bob











-----Original Message-----

From: Brian LaLonde <blalond@...>

To: RadioYourway@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:57 am

Subject: [RadioYourway] Re: CC Witness is the TalkMaster Slim







Hi all,



I just found you guys while looking for a good MP3 recorder. I have a

few items to share.



1. The Korean source of the C.Crane Witness

2. Does the C.Crane Witness have plug-in power for external mics?

3. The DDR-5000 recorder



1. I don't know if this has already been posted, but I'm pretty that

the Diasonic 4300 is the Korean source for the C.Crane Witness and the

Japanese Suntac Talkmaster Slim. Check out:

http://www.diasonic.com/english_re/product/ddr4100.php



I sent this message to Diasonic: "Pardon the small customer inquiry,

but the DDR-4300 has attracted my attention. Could you provide me with

information on any American retailer that sells the DDR-4300?

Maybe someone is selling the model on EBay under some re-branded model

name?" I'll let you know if I get a response.



2. I sent this question to C.Crane: "Does the CCrane Witness have

microphone plug-in power? I see that your 'Voz Stereo Microphone' is

coming soon, but will that need a battery powered pre-amp or can you

just plug it in to the Witness?" Does anybody on this list that

already has a Witness know the answer to this question?



3. Does anyone have experience with the DDR 5000 recorder?

http://www.diasonic.com/english_re/product/ddr5000.php

https://eyespypro.com/products/The-Diasonic-DDR5K-Voice-Bank-Pro-Digital-Audio-R\

ecorder.html



Last note... the info over at the O'Reilly Digital Recorder forum

seems to be good:

http://forums.oreilly.com/content/Audio-Community/20/Portable-Digital-Recorders/

A reviewer over there loves the Olympus LS-10 (it's about $300 and

records in MP3)

http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/2008/05/22/olympus-ls-10-recorder-review.html



-Brian



--- In RadioYourway@yahoogroups.com, "kneeditnow" <kneeditnow@...> wrote:

>

> Thanks to member "p85014" I was able to track down the following

> information.

>

> The old discontinued in the USA "Radio YourWay LX" was called the

> TalkMaster II or TalkMaster 2 by its manufacturer and appears t still

> be available for sale

>

> The new CC Witness is actually called a "TalkMaster

Slim BT" and in

> Japan is available in White Red Silver Black(CC Witness) and 2 pastel

> colours Light Pink and a Light Blue

>

> If you look at the following picture, it certainly has a socket that

> looks similar to an iPod's socket except that it is slightly off

> centre.

> [http://suntac.jp/shopping/talkmaster/tmslimwt/img/option_icon_03.jpg]

>

> The CCrane website now says out of stock until 08/01/08

>







------------------------------------



Yahoo! Groups Links













[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dear Bob,



I hate too say this, but, you is incorrect!.



However I too was incorrect



Both the Witness and Talkmaster Slim are made by a Korean Firm (whise

name can be found in this forum) and the model goes by a confusing

name which is very similar to some types of PC memory









--- In RadioYourway@yahoogroups.com, rmm034@... wrote:

>

>

> I believe that the CC Witness is a Crane exclusive, just like the

CCRecorder, the VersaCorder, and the CCRadio -- it was designed by

Crane engineers.? I'm sure they researched all the other mp3 recorders

on the market, but I don't think they used them as models.? I think

they took the best features and added some of their own.? Anytime

Crane precedes an item with "CC", it is generally a Crane designed

product.

>

>

>

> Many of their products are made in South Africa.

>

> -- Bob

Right.  I already reported C. Crane's answer in this group's Message 6606:

"Thank you for taking the time to contact our company. The CC Witness

is built from the ground up from design to firmware as an all new

experience for radio enthusiasts. It does have many functions that

people enjoyed on the Radio YourWay LX but it is not built from that

software."



--- In RadioYourway@yahoogroups.com, rmm034@... wrote:

>

>

> I believe that the CC Witness is a Crane exclusive, just like the

CCRecorder, the VersaCorder, and the CCRadio -- it was designed by

Crane engineers.? I'm sure they researched all the other mp3 recorders

on the market, but I don't think they used them as models.? I think

they took the best features and added some of their own.? Anytime

Crane precedes an item with "CC", it is generally a Crane designed

product.

>

>

>

> Many of their products are made in South Africa.

>

> -- Bob

>

>

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Brian LaLonde <blalond@...>

> To: RadioYourway@yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:57 am

> Subject: [RadioYourway] Re: CC Witness is the TalkMaster Slim

>

>

>

> Hi all,

>

> I just found you guys while looking for a good MP3 recorder. I have a

> few items to share.

>

> 1. The Korean source of the C.Crane Witness

> 2. Does the C.Crane Witness have plug-in power for external mics?

> 3. The DDR-5000 recorder

>

> 1. I don't know if this has already been posted, but I'm pretty that

> the Diasonic 4300 is the Korean source for the C.Crane Witness and the

> Japanese Suntac Talkmaster Slim. Check out:

> http://www.diasonic.com/english_re/product/ddr4100.php

>

> I sent this message to Diasonic: "Pardon the small customer inquiry,

> but the DDR-4300 has attracted my attention. Could you provide me with

> information on any American retailer that sells the DDR-4300?

> Maybe someone is selling the model on EBay under some re-branded model

> name?" I'll let you know if I get a response.

>

> 2. I sent this question to C.Crane: "Does the CCrane Witness have

> microphone plug-in power? I see that your 'Voz Stereo Microphone' is

> coming soon, but will that need a battery powered pre-amp or can you

> just plug it in to the Witness?" Does anybody on this list that

> already has a Witness know the answer to this question?

>

> 3. Does anyone have experience with the DDR 5000 recorder?

> http://www.diasonic.com/english_re/product/ddr5000.php

>

https://eyespypro.com/products/The-Diasonic-DDR5K-Voice-Bank-Pro-Digital-Audio-R\

ecorder.html

>

> Last note... the info over at the O'Reilly Digital Recorder forum

> seems to be good:

>

http://forums.oreilly.com/content/Audio-Community/20/Portable-Digital-Recorders/

> A reviewer over there loves the Olympus LS-10 (it's about $300 and

> records in MP3)

>

http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/2008/05/22/olympus-ls-10-recorder-review.html

>

> -Brian

>

> --- In RadioYourway@yahoogroups.com, "kneeditnow" <kneeditnow@> wrote:

> >

> > Thanks to member "p85014" I was able to track down the following

> > information.

> >

> > The old discontinued in the USA "Radio YourWay LX" was called the

> > TalkMaster II or TalkMaster 2 by its manufacturer and appears t still

> > be available for sale

> >

> > The new CC Witness is actually called a "TalkMaster

> Slim BT" and in

> > Japan is available in White Red Silver Black(CC Witness) and 2 pastel

> > colours Light Pink and a Light Blue

> >

> > If you look at the following picture, it certainly has a socket that

> > looks similar to an iPod's socket except that it is slightly off

> > centre.

> > [http://suntac.jp/shopping/talkmaster/tmslimwt/img/option_icon_03.jpg]

> >

> > The CCrane website now says out of stock until 08/01/08

> >

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Yahoo! Groups Links

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

Was: CC Witness is the TalkMaster Slim



I don't mean to be rude, but the Witness is most definitely not built

from the ground up.  I'd bet the farm that it's made by the same

company that made the LX.  The only way that's not the case is if the

designer of the LX sold the software/firmware and its rights to

whoever is building the Witness.  Either that or someone downright

copied the LX functionality.



The software is so similar it's scary.  Sure there are some new

features and the menus system is designed differently, but anyone who

has used the LX will immediately notice the many identical features,

functions, icons (compare the volume icon for a starter), etc.



I just hope they changed the mechanical design of the keypad (i.e. I

hope it will last for more than 1-2 years)!



Regards,

Charles



--- In RadioYourway@yahoogroups.com, "josephtwomey" <josephtwomey@...>

wrote:

>

> Right.  I already reported C. Crane's answer in this group's Message

6606:

> "Thank you for taking the time to contact our company. The CC Witness

> is built from the ground up from design to firmware as an all new

> experience for radio enthusiasts. It does have many functions that

> people enjoyed on the Radio YourWay LX but it is not built from that

> software."

>

> --- In RadioYourway@yahoogroups.com, rmm034@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > I believe that the CC Witness is a Crane exclusive, just like the

> CCRecorder, the VersaCorder, and the CCRadio -- it was designed by

> Crane engineers.? I'm sure they researched all the other mp3 recorders

> on the market, but I don't think they used them as models.? I think

> they took the best features and added some of their own.? Anytime

> Crane precedes an item with "CC", it is generally a Crane designed

> product.

> >

> >

> >

> > Many of their products are made in South Africa.

> >

> > -- Bob

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: Brian LaLonde <blalond@>

> > To: RadioYourway@yahoogroups.com

> > Sent: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:57 am

> > Subject: [RadioYourway] Re: CC Witness is the TalkMaster Slim

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi all,

> >

> > I just found you guys while looking for a good MP3 recorder. I have a

> > few items to share.

> >

> > 1. The Korean source of the C.Crane Witness

> > 2. Does the C.Crane Witness have plug-in power for external mics?

> > 3. The DDR-5000 recorder

> >

> > 1. I don't know if this has already been posted, but I'm pretty that

> > the Diasonic 4300 is the Korean source for the C.Crane Witness and the

> > Japanese Suntac Talkmaster Slim. Check out:

> > http://www.diasonic.com/english_re/product/ddr4100.php

> >

> > I sent this message to Diasonic: "Pardon the small customer inquiry,

> > but the DDR-4300 has attracted my attention. Could you provide me with

> > information on any American retailer that sells the DDR-4300?

> > Maybe someone is selling the model on EBay under some re-branded model

> > name?" I'll let you know if I get a response.

> >

> > 2. I sent this question to C.Crane: "Does the CCrane Witness have

> > microphone plug-in power? I see that your 'Voz Stereo Microphone' is

> > coming soon, but will that need a battery powered pre-amp or can you

> > just plug it in to the Witness?" Does anybody on this list that

> > already has a Witness know the answer to this question?

> >

> > 3. Does anyone have experience with the DDR 5000 recorder?

> > http://www.diasonic.com/english_re/product/ddr5000.php

> >

>

https://eyespypro.com/products/The-Diasonic-DDR5K-Voice-Bank-Pro-Digital-Audio-R\

ecorder.html

> >

> > Last note... the info over at the O'Reilly Digital Recorder forum

> > seems to be good:

> >

>

http://forums.oreilly.com/content/Audio-Community/20/Portable-Digital-Recorders/

> > A reviewer over there loves the Olympus LS-10 (it's about $300 and

> > records in MP3)

> >

>

http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/2008/05/22/olympus-ls-10-recorder-review.html

> >

> > -Brian

> >

> > --- In RadioYourway@yahoogroups.com, "kneeditnow" <kneeditnow@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Thanks to member "p85014" I was able to track down the following

> > > information.

> > >

> > > The old discontinued in the USA "Radio YourWay LX" was called the

> > > TalkMaster II or TalkMaster 2 by its manufacturer and appears t

still

> > > be available for sale

> > >

> > > The new CC Witness is actually called a "TalkMaster

> > Slim BT" and in

> > > Japan is available in White Red Silver Black(CC Witness) and 2

pastel

> > > colours Light Pink and a Light Blue

> > >

> > > If you look at the following picture, it certainly has a socket that

> > > looks similar to an iPod's socket except that it is slightly off

> > > centre.

> > >

[http://suntac.jp/shopping/talkmaster/tmslimwt/img/option_icon_03.jpg]

> > >

> > > The CCrane website now says out of stock until 08/01/08

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > Yahoo! Groups Links

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> >

>

> I believe that the CC Witness is a Crane exclusive, just like the

> CCRecorder, the VersaCorder, and the CCRadio -- it was designed by

> Crane engineers.? I'm sure they researched all the other mp3 recorders

> on the market, but I don't think they used them as models.? I think

> they took the best features and added some of their own.? Anytime

> Crane precedes an item with "CC", it is generally a Crane designed

> product.



   My *guess* is that the Witness was designed *for* CCrane.  I can't

imagine that CCrane has such a large staff of hardware and software

engineers that they can design radios, firmware, flashlights, ...

There are design companies (e.g.

http://idt.com/?id=5&source=aboutidt_menu ), semiconductor fab

companies, plastic molding companies, assembly companies, ...



   I think that CCrane contracts with some group of the above - giving

them specs drawn up by Crane engineers - and then sells the resulting

product.



   Perhaps the design of the Witness was done by a design company which

did the LX or one of the similar items.



--henry schaffer

When I say "design", I mean that Crane specifies pretty much exactly what it

wants?-- the features it must have and what other products it wants it to be

compatible with, perhaps even down to the layout of the buttons and switches.?

Crane does get very much involved in many of its products.? The CCRadio, for

example is not a knockoff.



Crane's Twin Coil Ferrite Antenna was designed and the prototype built by Crane

-- or more specifically by Chris Justice who worked for Bob Crane at?one time.?

In fact, until Justice left, it was called the Justice antenna.



Anyway, to what extent Crane was involved in the Witness, I do not know -- but

based on what I've seen in other CC products, I'd say it was more involved than

one might think.



-- Bob



-----Original Message-----

From: Henry E Schaffer <hes@...>

To: RadioYourway@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 5:07 pm

Subject: Re: [RadioYourway] Re: CC Witness is the TalkMaster Slim







> I believe that the CC Witness is a Crane exclusive, just like the

> CCRecorder, the VersaCorder, and the CCRadio -- it was designed by

> Crane engineers.? I'm sure they researched all the other mp3 recorders

> on the market, but I don't think they used them as models.? I think

> they took the best features and added some of their own.? Anytime

> Crane precedes an item with "CC", it is generally a Crane designed

> product.



   My *guess* is that the Witness was designed *for* CCrane.  I can't

imagine that CCrane has such a large staff of hardware and software

engineers that they can design radios, firmware, flashlights, ...

There are design companies (e.g.

http://idt.com/?id=5&source=aboutidt_menu ), semiconductor fab

companies, plastic molding companies, assembly companies, ...



   I think that CCrane contracts with some group of the above - giving

them specs drawn up by Crane engineers - and then sells the resulting

product.



   Perhaps the design of the Witness was done by a design company which

did the LX or one of the similar items.



--henry schaffer



------------------------------------



Yahoo! Groups Links













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rmm034@... writes:

> When I say "design", I mean that Crane specifies pretty much exactly

> what it wants?-- the features it must have and what other products it

> wants it to be compatible with, perhaps even down to the layout of the

> buttons and switches.? Crane does get very much involved in many of

> its products.?



   I don't think we have any disagreement then.  We were using "design"

in somewhat different ways.  I was emphasizing such things as the

integrated circuit chip design - which is really specialized (I have a

close relative who does that type of work.)



> The CCRadio, for example is not a knockoff.

>

> Crane's Twin Coil Ferrite Antenna was designed and the prototype built

> by Crane -- or more specifically by Chris Justice who worked for Bob

> Crane at?one time.? In fact, until Justice left, it was called the

> Justice antenna.



   This is something which is possible for a person with a small lab to

do.  I'll stick my neck out and say that chip design falls into a

different category.



> Anyway, to what extent Crane was involved in the Witness, I do not

> know -- but based on what I've seen in other CC products, I'd say it

> was more involved than one might think.



   I'll give Crane full credit for the design you describe.  I'm a long

time CCrane customer and have been very pleased.



--henry schaffer



> -- Bob

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Henry E Schaffer <hes@...>

> To: RadioYourway@yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 5:07 pm

> Subject: Re: [RadioYourway] Re: CC Witness is the TalkMaster Slim

> > I believe that the CC Witness is a Crane exclusive, just like the

> > CCRecorder, the VersaCorder, and the CCRadio -- it was designed by

> > Crane engineers.? I'm sure they researched all the other mp3 recorders

> > on the market, but I don't think they used them as models.? I think

> > they took the best features and added some of their own.? Anytime

> > Crane precedes an item with "CC", it is generally a Crane designed

> > product.

>

>   My *guess* is that the Witness was designed *for* CCrane.  I can't

> imagine that CCrane has such a large staff of hardware and software

> engineers that they can design radios, firmware, flashlights, ...

> There are design companies (e.g.

> http://idt.com/?id=5&source=aboutidt_menu ), semiconductor fab

> companies, plastic molding companies, assembly companies, ...

>

>   I think that CCrane contracts with some group of the above - giving

> them specs drawn up by Crane engineers - and then sells the resulting

> product.

>

>   Perhaps the design of the Witness was done by a design company which

> did the LX or one of the similar items.

>

> --henry schaffer

> ------------------------------------

Yes, I think we agree then ... no, I don't believe they actually design the chip

either.? Also, I was told once by phone rep. that they actually do their own

repairs (i.e. they employ repair people) -- they don't ususally send things out

to a 3rd party shop.? And from their flat rate repair prices, I believe it

because authorized dealers usually charge a lot more.



They have a few faults, but all-in-all, Crane is really a first class operation.



-- Bob



-----Original Message-----

From: Henry E Schaffer <hes@...>

To: RadioYourway@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:04 am

Subject: Re: [RadioYourway] Re: CC Witness is the TalkMaster Slim







rmm034@... writes:

> When I say "design", I mean that Crane specifies pretty much exactly

> what it wants?-- the features it must have and what other products it

> wants it to be compatible with, perhaps even down to the layout of the

> buttons and switches.? Crane does get very much involved in many of

> its products.?



   I don't think we have any disagreement then.  We were using "design"

in somewhat different ways.  I was emphasizing such things as the

integrated circuit chip design - which is really specialized (I have a

close relative who does that type of work.)



> The CCRadio, for example is not a knockoff.

>

> Crane's Twin Coil Ferrite Antenna was designed and the prototype built

> by Crane -- or more specifically by Chris Justice who worked for Bob

> Crane at?one time.? In fact, until Justice left, it was called the

> Justice antenna.



   This is something which is possible for a person with a small lab to

do.  I'll stick my neck out and say that chip design falls into a

different category.



> Anyway, to what extent Crane was involved in the Witness, I do not

> know -- but based on what I've seen in other CC products, I'd say it

> was more involved than one might think.



   I'll give Crane full credit for the design you describe.  I'm a long

time CCrane customer and have been very pleased.



--henry schaffer



> -- Bob

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Henry E Schaffer <hes@...>

> To: RadioYourway@yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 5:07 pm

> Subject: Re: [RadioYourway] Re: CC Witness is the TalkMaster Slim

> > I believe that the CC Witness is a Crane exclusive, just like the

> > CCRecorder, the VersaCorder, and the CCRadio -- it was designed by

> > Crane engineers.? I'm sure they researched all the other mp3 recorders

> > on the market, but I don't think they used them as models.? I think

> > they took the best features and added some of their own.? Anytime

> > Crane precedes an item with "CC", it is generally a Crane designed

> > product.

>

>   My *guess* is that the Witness was

designed *for* CCrane.  I can't

> imagine that CCrane has such a large staff of hardware and software

> engineers that they can design radios, firmware, flashlights, ...

> There are design companies (e.g.

> http://idt.com/?id=5&source=aboutidt_menu ), semiconductor fab

> companies, plastic molding companies, assembly companies, ...

>

>   I think that CCrane contracts with some group of the above - giving

> them specs drawn up by Crane engineers - and then sells the resulting

> product.

>

>   Perhaps the design of the Witness was done by a design company which

> did the LX or one of the similar items.

>

> --henry schaffer

> ------------------------------------



------------------------------------



Yahoo! Groups Links













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Please tell me about the Olympus and give me a link. Thanks.





   s for the LS-10, I am one of the

   reviewers on O'Reilly and elsewhere,

   and the Olympus is now one of the top

   3 small portable solid state recorders,

   with the Marantz 620 and SONY PCM-D50.











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I'm just back from a trip,

but just do a search for Olympus

LS-10 and you will have all you need

to know.





Best price lately was Amazon (you

have to click the link to get the

real price) 270 or so from Electronics

Expo....