for some reason whenever I set the timer on my RL500 to say work for
2 hours and then come back an hour later it still has 1:30 on the
machine I thought it was my imgination but I tested it today and
started it at 4pm and it didn't finish till around 6:45pm which is
really od that its off

> for some reason whenever I set the timer on my RL500 to say work for
> 2 hours and then come back an hour later it still has 1:30 on the
> machine I thought it was my imgination but I tested it today and
> started it at 4pm and it didn't finish till around 6:45pm which is
> really od that its off


Is the timer actually slow? Seems like your 2 hour work settings on the
timer end up to be 2:45 in real time? The best way to test it is probably
set up Work Time for 1 hour (doesn't matter which zone) and then test it in
real time and then you'll see for sure where deviation is. The mower has
some electronic component that measures time, if there is a deviation, there
is a problem. However, if its 10-15 minutes difference per hour and it's
consistent, I would adjust the Work time - from 1 hr to 40 min which will be
1 hour in real time. You can have 3-4 zones set up with different timing for
each zone and just adjust it accordingly. But this is only if the difference
is constant all the time. If you notice that it varies with the time, then
there is a problem with the hardware somewhere and you'll need to send it to
the dealer for repairs. I would not personally worry about the clock
differences unless it gets worse or bothers you. I would test it out for the
sake of interest.

Sincerely,

IGGY Dybal

Your Real Estate Consultant - Kansas City - RE/MAX Best

E-mail: mailto:iggy@...   Web site: http://www.iggy.net
Office: 913-894-4024 Toll-free: 877-550-IGGY/4449
Fax: 913-322-4162

Noticed today that there are two kinds of signals that come up when you have
weak batteries in the perimeter switch - one constantly beeping without
stopping within 0.5 a second of so from each other and also very high
frequency low volume kind of a clacking sound. I think the first one happens
when the batteries are depleted and not allowing the perimeter switch to
property operate but if you replace one battery, this normally takes care of
it. However, the high frequency low volume clicking one is when your
batteries are almost dead and there is just a little life left in them.
Either way, replacing all batteries takes care of that.

Sincerely,

IGGY Dybal

Your Real Estate Consultant - Kansas City - RE/MAX Best

E-mail: mailto:iggy@...   Web site: http://www.iggy.net
Office: 913-894-4024 Toll-free: 877-550-IGGY/4449
Fax: 913-322-4162

--- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, Iggy & Svetlana
<iggyandsvetlana@e...> wrote:
> > for some reason whenever I set the timer on my RL500 to say work
for
> > 2 hours and then come back an hour later it still has 1:30 on the
> > machine I thought it was my imgination but I tested it today and
> > started it at 4pm and it didn't finish till around 6:45pm which
is
> > really od that its off
>
>
> Is the timer actually slow? Seems like your 2 hour work settings
on the
> timer end up to be 2:45 in real time? The best way to test it is
probably
> set up Work Time for 1 hour (doesn't matter which zone) and then
test it in
> real time and then you'll see for sure where deviation is. The
mower has
> some electronic component that measures time, if there is a
deviation, there
> is a problem. However, if its 10-15 minutes difference per hour
and it's
> consistent, I would adjust the Work time - from 1 hr to 40 min
which will be
> 1 hour in real time. You can have 3-4 zones set up with different
timing for
> each zone and just adjust it accordingly. But this is only if the
difference
> is constant all the time. If you notice that it varies with the
time, then
> there is a problem with the hardware somewhere and you'll need to
send it to
> the dealer for repairs. I would not personally worry about the
clock
> differences unless it gets worse or bothers you. I would test it
out for the
> sake of interest.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> IGGY Dybal
>
> Your Real Estate Consultant - Kansas City - RE/MAX Best
>
> E-mail: mailto:iggy@i...   Web site: http://www.iggy.net
> Office: 913-894-4024 Toll-free: 877-550-IGGY/4449
> Fax: 913-322-4162

is it a pain to send them back. I know when my computer has a
problem and I have to send it back they ship me a box I put it in
the box and it's overnighted to them. Is this the same way with
robomowers because if it is to complicated to send back then I
probably will just live with it like you said earlier

--- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, "torontoarrow" <jimmy@g...> wrote:
> I was just wondering if anyone has tried downloading the firmware
> and modifying it recompiling it and uploading it back to the
> robomower.  I got bought a robomower last week and the sounds that
> it plays during startup get old really quick I know I can turn them
> off but I was thinking what if I replaced the midi file with the
> terminator 2 theme now that would be cool

This could of course be done. The flash holding the sounds which I
guess is some kind of simple binary waveform (not MIDI) is located
inside the handcontroler.

By using a "ordinary" flash programmer and a PC you should be able to
read and modify it by the so underestimated "trial and error"
method ;-)

However far more interesting would be if someone could upload a RL800
flash from the mainboard. I would not be surprised if it turns a 500
into a 800...

> is it a pain to send them back. I know when my computer has a
> problem and I have to send it back they ship me a box I put it in
> the box and it's overnighted to them. Is this the same way with
> robomowers because if it is to complicated to send back then I
> probably will just live with it like you said earlier


I've received personal e-mail from FriendlyRobotics contact of mine - he is
curious about this timer problem on he mower and would like to know more. If
you post your future progress on it to the group, I'll forward it to him.
He'll look into it. He was curious to know that something like this may
happen.

UPS will pick it up and ship it for $25 or so ground service - 2-4 days
delivery. Not a big deal.

Sincerely,

IGGY Dybal

Your Real Estate Consultant - Kansas City - RE/MAX Best

E-mail: mailto:iggy@...   Web site: http://www.iggy.net
Office: 913-894-4024 Toll-free: 877-550-IGGY/4449
Fax: 913-322-4162

> --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, "torontoarrow" <jimmy@g...> wrote:
> > I was just wondering if anyone has tried downloading the firmware
> > and modifying it recompiling it and uploading it back to the
> > robomower.  I got bought a robomower last week and the sounds that
> > it plays during startup get old really quick I know I can turn them
> > off but I was thinking what if I replaced the midi file with the
> > terminator 2 theme now that would be cool
>
> This could of course be done. The flash holding the sounds which I
> guess is some kind of simple binary waveform (not MIDI) is located
> inside the handcontroler.
>
> By using a "ordinary" flash programmer and a PC you should be able to
> read and modify it by the so underestimated "trial and error"
> method ;-)
>
> However far more interesting would be if someone could upload a RL800
> flash from the mainboard. I would not be surprised if it turns a 500
> into a 800...



I'll send this e-mail to Friendly Robotics to find out if "breaking the
code" of 800 and downloading it to 500 would work.

Logically, this should not be a problem if you know what you are doing - I
don't :o) - I am just thinking it's possible.

The hardware must be the same or similar for RL500 and 800 except for the
"learn edge" feature "anti-theft" and the "wide angle mode". The software is
the key, no doubt, but there maybe some other components that handle RL800
and 500 doesn't have? Have no idea. I'll ask.

Sincerely,

IGGY Dybal

Your Real Estate Consultant - Kansas City - RE/MAX Best

E-mail: mailto:iggy@...   Web site: http://www.iggy.net
Office: 913-894-4024 Toll-free: 877-550-IGGY/4449
Fax: 913-322-4162

I got this from FriendlyRobotics this morning.
**********************
The RL800 software is not compatible with the RL500, due changes of
hardware - new main board and more. So if someone attempted downloading an
800 software to the RL500 memory flash, the mower will not work.
**********************

Sincerely,

IGGY Dybal

Your Real Estate Consultant - Kansas City - RE/MAX Best

E-mail: mailto:iggy@...   Web site: http://www.iggy.net
Office: 913-894-4024 Toll-free: 877-550-IGGY/4449
Fax: 913-322-4162

FYI,

I sent my RL500 in for repair and they replaced the
board with an RL550 board.  I was told that the only
difference in mine, with the new board, and a "real"
RL550 is the motors.  Based on that, I would assume at
least the motors are different in the RL800.

Robert Warnke
--- Iggy & Svetlana <iggyandsvetlana@...>
wrote:
>
>
> > --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, "torontoarrow"
> <jimmy@g...> wrote:
> > > I was just wondering if anyone has tried
> downloading the firmware
> > > and modifying it recompiling it and uploading it
> back to the
> > > robomower.  I got bought a robomower last week
> and the sounds that
> > > it plays during startup get old really quick I
> know I can turn them
> > > off but I was thinking what if I replaced the
> midi file with the
> > > terminator 2 theme now that would be cool
> >
> > This could of course be done. The flash holding
> the sounds which I
> > guess is some kind of simple binary waveform (not
> MIDI) is located
> > inside the handcontroler.
> >
> > By using a "ordinary" flash programmer and a PC
> you should be able to
> > read and modify it by the so underestimated "trial
> and error"
> > method ;-)
> >
> > However far more interesting would be if someone
> could upload a RL800
> > flash from the mainboard. I would not be surprised
> if it turns a 500
> > into a 800...
>
>
>
> I'll send this e-mail to Friendly Robotics to find
> out if "breaking the
> code" of 800 and downloading it to 500 would work.
>
> Logically, this should not be a problem if you know
> what you are doing - I
> don't :o) - I am just thinking it's possible.
>
> The hardware must be the same or similar for RL500
> and 800 except for the
> "learn edge" feature "anti-theft" and the "wide
> angle mode". The software is
> the key, no doubt, but there maybe some other
> components that handle RL800
> and 500 doesn't have? Have no idea. I'll ask.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> IGGY Dybal
>
> Your Real Estate Consultant - Kansas City - RE/MAX
> Best
>
> E-mail: mailto:iggy@...   Web site:
> http://www.iggy.net
> Office: 913-894-4024 Toll-free: 877-550-IGGY/4449
> Fax: 913-322-4162
>
>


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I just went through sending mine in for repair.  If
you can find a local dealer, I think they will ship it
back at no cost to you.  If not, you can take it to
UPS in the box it came in and ship it for around $25.
They will cover the cost to ship it back if it's
covered under warranty.

--- torontoarrow <jimmy@...> wrote:
> --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, Iggy & Svetlana
> <iggyandsvetlana@e...> wrote:
> > > for some reason whenever I set the timer on my
> RL500 to say work
> for
> > > 2 hours and then come back an hour later it
> still has 1:30 on the
> > > machine I thought it was my imgination but I
> tested it today and
> > > started it at 4pm and it didn't finish till
> around 6:45pm which
> is
> > > really od that its off
> >
> >
> > Is the timer actually slow? Seems like your 2 hour
> work settings
> on the
> > timer end up to be 2:45 in real time? The best way
> to test it is
> probably
> > set up Work Time for 1 hour (doesn't matter which
> zone) and then
> test it in
> > real time and then you'll see for sure where
> deviation is. The
> mower has
> > some electronic component that measures time, if
> there is a
> deviation, there
> > is a problem. However, if its 10-15 minutes
> difference per hour
> and it's
> > consistent, I would adjust the Work time - from 1
> hr to 40 min
> which will be
> > 1 hour in real time. You can have 3-4 zones set up
> with different
> timing for
> > each zone and just adjust it accordingly. But this
> is only if the
> difference
> > is constant all the time. If you notice that it
> varies with the
> time, then
> > there is a problem with the hardware somewhere and
> you'll need to
> send it to
> > the dealer for repairs. I would not personally
> worry about the
> clock
> > differences unless it gets worse or bothers you. I
> would test it
> out for the
> > sake of interest.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > IGGY Dybal
> >
> > Your Real Estate Consultant - Kansas City - RE/MAX
> Best
> >
> > E-mail: mailto:iggy@i...   Web site:
> http://www.iggy.net
> > Office: 913-894-4024 Toll-free: 877-550-IGGY/4449
> > Fax: 913-322-4162
>
> is it a pain to send them back. I know when my
> computer has a
> problem and I have to send it back they ship me a
> box I put it in
> the box and it's overnighted to them. Is this the
> same way with
> robomowers because if it is to complicated to send
> back then I
> probably will just live with it like you said
> earlier
>
>


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For a paperweight or conversation piece, probably okay. But for a spare
parts machine, you would be wasting your money...

john (www.johnsarcade.com)


----Original Message Follows----
From: Trkeenan@...
Reply-To: RoboMower@yahoogroups.com
To: RoboMower@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RoboMower] Question on an old mower.
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 07:28:32 EDT

I am interested in Robomow early version of the robot.

    (#eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2338136173&category=20544)

Any one have an ideas on how similar the components are from the older unit
to the newer unit?

Tim
Denver


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I purchased my RL800 from Amazon two weeks back.  For the first week,
I ran the wire for three zones, tested my set up and found the unit
worked flawlessly.

Over the weekend, I began to notice that while charging (standard
slow charger), the unit occasionally complains that the charger is
unplugged and begins the beep warning sequence.

To correct the problem, I simply rotate the connector in the socket
on the back of the control panel.  Often, I can just pull on the
charger wire (without lifting the control panel) and it reseats, and
corrects the issue... for a couple of hours.  Then the sequence
repeats.

With FR's limited tech support, I am not sure how to simply get
another charger to help me isolate the problem to the charger or the
mower, so I ordered a rapid charger, and hope this resolves my
issue.

FWIW, I also had the perimeter switch die on me, one week after
purchasing, and while in the middle of doing the first pass on my
front lawn.  Amazon gives me the choice of returning the whole mover,
but I hate to do that for a bad charger and/or bad perimter switch.

I have another switch on back-order, but until Amaozon ships it, my
neighbors are less than impressed with the streaks in the yard, which
are my early results of the new toy.

Any ideas on the power problem? Also, what are the chances I go
through FR to find the local warranty dealer, and walk out with a
replacement perimeter switch?  I am assuming they will want to mail
if off somewhere and get me a replacement by oh, say, end of summer.

Ideas?

I seem to remember another thread in which the owner purchased the
mower from Amazon that had a problem and Amazon replaced the whole
mower. Since you now have two problems, why not ask Anazon to replace
the entire unit. Both problems solved and you can be back on your way
to impressing the neigbors in no time.

Terry


--- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, "tony_e_nc" <tony_e_nc@y...> wrote:
> I purchased my RL800 from Amazon two weeks back.  For the first
week,
> I ran the wire for three zones, tested my set up and found the unit
> worked flawlessly.
>
> Over the weekend, I began to notice that while charging (standard
> slow charger), the unit occasionally complains that the charger is
> unplugged and begins the beep warning sequence.
>
> To correct the problem, I simply rotate the connector in the socket
> on the back of the control panel.  Often, I can just pull on the
> charger wire (without lifting the control panel) and it reseats,
and
> corrects the issue... for a couple of hours.  Then the sequence
> repeats.
>
> With FR's limited tech support, I am not sure how to simply get
> another charger to help me isolate the problem to the charger or
the
> mower, so I ordered a rapid charger, and hope this resolves my
> issue.
>
> FWIW, I also had the perimeter switch die on me, one week after
> purchasing, and while in the middle of doing the first pass on my
> front lawn.  Amazon gives me the choice of returning the whole
mover,
> but I hate to do that for a bad charger and/or bad perimter
switch.
>
> I have another switch on back-order, but until Amaozon ships it, my
> neighbors are less than impressed with the streaks in the yard,
which
> are my early results of the new toy.
>
> Any ideas on the power problem? Also, what are the chances I go
> through FR to find the local warranty dealer, and walk out with a
> replacement perimeter switch?  I am assuming they will want to mail
> if off somewhere and get me a replacement by oh, say, end of
summer.
>
> Ideas?

From: "tony_e_nc" <tony_e_nc@...>

> FWIW, I also had the perimeter switch die on me, one week after
> purchasing

I had a similar problem with a new perimeter switch. I took it apart, and it
turned out to be full of water (from a sprinkler). Once I dried it out and
put it back together it came back to life, although then it said the wire
was cut, which I finally traced down to a bad solder joint in the connector.
After I resoldered the joint it worked fine again.



--
Jim Taylor
Author of DVD Demystified and the DVD FAQ <http://dvddemystified.com>

It definitly has more efficient software now.  It
turns on the wire now instead of doing the "Y" it did
before the board replacement.  However, it does not
have the menu options and features that the RL800 has.

--- robomow@... wrote:

---------------------------------

I was told that the RL550 is (essentially) a RL800 in
a RL500 shell.  Something about availability of parts
when they were rolled out.


From "Robert H. Warnke" <robertwarnke@...> on 4
Aug 2003:
> I sent my RL500 in for repair and they replaced the
board with an RL550 board.


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> ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822
> From: "Robert H. Warnke"
>
<robertwarnke.at.yahoo.com@...>
> To: "RoboMower@yahoogroups.com"
>
<RoboMower.at.yahoogroups.com@...>
> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:15:21 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: [RoboMower] Re: downloading the
> software
>

---------------------------------
FYI,

I sent my RL500 in for repair and they replaced the
board with an RL550 board.  I was told that the only
difference in mine, with the new board, and a "real"
RL550 is the motors.  Based on that, I would assume at
least the motors are different in the RL800.

Robert Warnke
--- Iggy & Svetlana <iggyandsvetlana@...>
wrote:
>
>
> > --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, "torontoarrow"
> <jimmy@g...> wrote:
> > > I was just wondering if anyone has tried
> downloading the firmware
> > > and modifying it recompiling it and uploading it
> back to the
> > > robomower.  I got bought a robomower last week
> and the sounds that
> > > it plays during startup get old really quick I
> know I can turn them
> > > off but I was thinking what if I replaced the
> midi file with the
> > > terminator 2 theme now that would be cool
> >
> > This could of course be done. The flash holding
> the sounds which I
> > guess is some kind of simple binary waveform (not
> MIDI) is located
> > inside the handcontroler.
> >
> > By using a "ordinary" flash programmer and a PC
> you should be able to
> > read and modify it by the so underestimated "trial
> and error"
> > method ;-)
> >
> > However far more interesting would be if someone
> could upload a RL800
> > flash from the mainboard. I would not be surprised
> if it turns a 500
> > into a 800...
>
>
>
> I'll send this e-mail to Friendly Robotics to find
> out if "breaking the
> code" of 800 and downloading it to 500 would work.
>
> Logically, this should not be a problem if you know
> what you are doing - I
> don't :o) - I am just thinking it's possible.
>
> The hardware must be the same or similar for RL500
> and 800 except for the
> "learn edge" feature "anti-theft" and the "wide
> angle mode". The software is
> the key, no doubt, but there maybe some other
> components that handle RL800
> and 500 doesn't have? Have no idea. I'll ask.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> IGGY Dybal
>
> Your Real Estate Consultant - Kansas City - RE/MAX
> Best
>
> E-mail: mailto:iggy@...   Web site:
> http://www.iggy.net
> Office: 913-894-4024 Toll-free: 877-550-IGGY/4449
> Fax: 913-322-4162
>
>


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What lacking of RL550 vs. RL800 ?
does RL550 have onboard compass ?


--- "Robert H. Warnke" <robertwarnke@...> wrote:
> It definitly has more efficient software now.  It
> turns on the wire now instead of doing the "Y" it
> did
> before the board replacement.  However, it does not
> have the menu options and features that the RL800
> has.
>
> --- robomow@... wrote:
>
> ---------------------------------
>
> I was told that the RL550 is (essentially) a RL800
> in
> a RL500 shell.  Something about availability of
> parts
> when they were rolled out.
>
>
> From "Robert H. Warnke" <robertwarnke@...> on
> 4
> Aug 2003:
> > I sent my RL500 in for repair and they replaced
> the
> board with an RL550 board.
>
>
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> > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822
> > From: "Robert H. Warnke"
> >
>
<robertwarnke.at.yahoo.com@...>
> > To: "RoboMower@yahoogroups.com"
> >
>
<RoboMower.at.yahoogroups.com@...>
> > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:15:21 -0700 (PDT)
> > Subject: Re: [RoboMower] Re: downloading the
> > software
> >
>
> ---------------------------------
> FYI,
>
> I sent my RL500 in for repair and they replaced the
> board with an RL550 board.  I was told that the only
> difference in mine, with the new board, and a "real"
> RL550 is the motors.  Based on that, I would assume
> at
> least the motors are different in the RL800.
>
> Robert Warnke
> --- Iggy & Svetlana <iggyandsvetlana@...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, "torontoarrow"
> > <jimmy@g...> wrote:
> > > > I was just wondering if anyone has tried
> > downloading the firmware
> > > > and modifying it recompiling it and uploading
> it
> > back to the
> > > > robomower.  I got bought a robomower last week
> > and the sounds that
> > > > it plays during startup get old really quick I
> > know I can turn them
> > > > off but I was thinking what if I replaced the
> > midi file with the
> > > > terminator 2 theme now that would be cool
> > >
> > > This could of course be done. The flash holding
> > the sounds which I
> > > guess is some kind of simple binary waveform
> (not
> > MIDI) is located
> > > inside the handcontroler.
> > >
> > > By using a "ordinary" flash programmer and a PC
> > you should be able to
> > > read and modify it by the so underestimated
> "trial
> > and error"
> > > method ;-)
> > >
> > > However far more interesting would be if someone
> > could upload a RL800
> > > flash from the mainboard. I would not be
> surprised
> > if it turns a 500
> > > into a 800...
> >
> >
> >
> > I'll send this e-mail to Friendly Robotics to find
> > out if "breaking the
> > code" of 800 and downloading it to 500 would work.
> >
> > Logically, this should not be a problem if you
> know
> > what you are doing - I
> > don't :o) - I am just thinking it's possible.
> >
> > The hardware must be the same or similar for RL500
> > and 800 except for the
> > "learn edge" feature "anti-theft" and the "wide
> > angle mode". The software is
> > the key, no doubt, but there maybe some other
> > components that handle RL800
> > and 500 doesn't have? Have no idea. I'll ask.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > IGGY Dybal
> >
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I would like to see the Edge Cut travel first right to left then Left
to Right... Because after a some time the grass starts to lay down
and the cut is not as good as the rest of the lawn that is cut in
many directions...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

--- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, "esant1" <esant1@y...> wrote:
> Below you'll find a wish list for RoboMower, hope the folks @
> Friendly Robotics listen up:
>
> 1.)  Self-charging (nice feature from AutoMot)
> 2.)  Cordless remote control--walking behind RM can get old quick.
> 3.)  Joystick type remote -- having to push remote button
> up/down/left/right not too fun.  Also, don't care for having to
hold
> the blades button constantly while on manual mode.
> 4.)  Automatic Learn Edge -- instead of manual type.
> 5.)  Wheels w/ better grip
> 6.)  Better handling of narrow areas (<5 feet).
> 7.)  Faster mowing
> 8.)  More wire (1000 ft??), more pegs as standard feature of RM
>
> Any others?

It doesn't have the "wide scan", "learn edge" and
"theft guard" features that the RL800 and RL850 have.
They also replaced the diagnostics menu with a service
menu which is password protected.  And I believe all
the FR mowers have compasses.

--- ac me <acme0_123@...> wrote:
> What lacking of RL550 vs. RL800 ?
> does RL550 have onboard compass ?
>
>
> --- "Robert H. Warnke" <robertwarnke@...>
> wrote:
> > It definitly has more efficient software now.  It
> > turns on the wire now instead of doing the "Y" it
> > did
> > before the board replacement.  However, it does
> not
> > have the menu options and features that the RL800
> > has.
> >
> > --- robomow@... wrote:
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> > I was told that the RL550 is (essentially) a RL800
> > in
> > a RL500 shell.  Something about availability of
> > parts
> > when they were rolled out.
> >
> >
> > From "Robert H. Warnke" <robertwarnke@...>
> on
> > 4
> > Aug 2003:
> > > I sent my RL500 in for repair and they replaced
> > the
> > board with an RL550 board.
> >
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> > > From: "Robert H. Warnke"
> > >
> >
>
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> > > To: "RoboMower@yahoogroups.com"
> > >
> >
>
<RoboMower.at.yahoogroups.com@...>
> > > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:15:21 -0700 (PDT)
> > > Subject: Re: [RoboMower] Re: downloading the
> > > software
> > >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > FYI,
> >
> > I sent my RL500 in for repair and they replaced
> the
> > board with an RL550 board.  I was told that the
> only
> > difference in mine, with the new board, and a
> "real"
> > RL550 is the motors.  Based on that, I would
> assume
> > at
> > least the motors are different in the RL800.
> >
> > Robert Warnke
> > --- Iggy & Svetlana
> <iggyandsvetlana@...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com,
> "torontoarrow"
> > > <jimmy@g...> wrote:
> > > > > I was just wondering if anyone has tried
> > > downloading the firmware
> > > > > and modifying it recompiling it and
> uploading
> > it
> > > back to the
> > > > > robomower.  I got bought a robomower last
> week
> > > and the sounds that
> > > > > it plays during startup get old really quick
> I
> > > know I can turn them
> > > > > off but I was thinking what if I replaced
> the
> > > midi file with the
> > > > > terminator 2 theme now that would be cool
> > > >
> > > > This could of course be done. The flash
> holding
> > > the sounds which I
> > > > guess is some kind of simple binary waveform
> > (not
> > > MIDI) is located
> > > > inside the handcontroler.
> > > >
> > > > By using a "ordinary" flash programmer and a
> PC
> > > you should be able to
> > > > read and modify it by the so underestimated
> > "trial
> > > and error"
> > > > method ;-)
> > > >
> > > > However far more interesting would be if
> someone
> > > could upload a RL800
> > > > flash from the mainboard. I would not be
> > surprised
> > > if it turns a 500
> > > > into a 800...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'll send this e-mail to Friendly Robotics to
> find
> > > out if "breaking the
> > > code" of 800 and downloading it to 500 would
> work.
> > >
> > > Logically, this should not be a problem if you
> > know
> > > what you are doing - I
> > > don't :o) - I am just thinking it's possible.
> > >
> > > The hardware must be the same or similar for
> RL500
> > > and 800 except for the
> > > "learn edge" feature "anti-theft" and the "wide
> > > angle mode". The software is
> > > the key, no doubt, but there maybe some other
> > > components that handle RL800
> > > and 500 doesn't have? Have no idea. I'll ask.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > IGGY Dybal
> > >
> > > Your Real Estate Consultant - Kansas City -
> RE/MAX
> > > Best
> > >
> > > E-mail: mailto:iggy@...   Web site:
> > > http://www.iggy.net
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> > >
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Hmm...not a bad idea. Though I havent noticed the
lessor quality cut on the edges yet.




--- jmwjmwjmw <jmwjmwjmw@...> wrote:
> I would like to see the Edge Cut travel first right
> to left then Left
> to Right... Because after a some time the grass
> starts to lay down
> and the cut is not as good as the rest of the lawn
> that is cut in
> many directions...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> --- In RoboMower@yahoogroups.com, "esant1"
> <esant1@y...> wrote:
> > Below you'll find a wish list for RoboMower, hope
> the folks @
> > Friendly Robotics listen up:
> >
> > 1.)  Self-charging (nice feature from AutoMot)
> > 2.)  Cordless remote control--walking behind RM
> can get old quick.
> > 3.)  Joystick type remote -- having to push remote
> button
> > up/down/left/right not too fun.  Also, don't care
> for having to
> hold
> > the blades button constantly while on manual mode.
> > 4.)  Automatic Learn Edge -- instead of manual
> type.
> > 5.)  Wheels w/ better grip
> > 6.)  Better handling of narrow areas (<5 feet).
> > 7.)  Faster mowing
> > 8.)  More wire (1000 ft??), more pegs as standard
> feature of RM
> >
> > Any others?
>
>


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I JUST received my Robomower from UPS!  I Can't wait to NOT mow the
lawn!   :oD

----- Original Message -----
> I would like to see the Edge Cut travel first right to left then Left
> to Right... Because after a some time the grass starts to lay down
> and the cut is not as good as the rest of the lawn that is cut in
> many directions...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


I asked this question of FriendlyRobotics some time back - they said it only
goes counter clock wise. No reason was given for not letting it go clock
wise. I'll send this e-mail to FR and will forward you the answer.

As for "ironing" effect of edging, I don't think it's a problem. I have my
mower on the highest cut setting and cannot tell the edging line after the
mower is done mowing front, side or back yard. It blends the edge and the
inside very well.

Another solution maybe to have the wire put closer to the edge (if you don't
have too many obstacles - like flower beds or trees or high curbs) - this
will ensure that your mower when completing the Y inside the perimeter hits
the edge wire closer to the end of your lawn. It will take care of any
inconsistencies that you have.

This is this first time I think I've heard of "ironing" effect. This is
warned against in the old version of the manual RL500, don't know if RL800
has it too. This is normally happening when you have a smaller yard, but run
the mower for a long time and often. The grass is "ironed" then.

Sincerely,

IGGY Dybal

Your Real Estate Consultant - Kansas City - RE/MAX Best

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> I JUST received my Robomower from UPS!  I Can't wait to NOT mow the
> lawn!   :oD


A word of caution - watching the robomower mow is addictive :o)

Sincerely,

IGGY Dybal

Your Real Estate Consultant - Kansas City - RE/MAX Best

E-mail: mailto:iggy@...   Web site: http://www.iggy.net
Office: 913-894-4024 Toll-free: 877-550-IGGY/4449
Fax: 913-322-4162

Keep the perimeter switch up, don't lay it down - I think the manual is
specific about it. I had to replace one too due to water damage. I think I
left it laying on the grass and it rained that day.

Sincerely,

IGGY Dybal

Your Real Estate Consultant - Kansas City - RE/MAX Best

E-mail: mailto:iggy@...   Web site: http://www.iggy.net
Office: 913-894-4024 Toll-free: 877-550-IGGY/4449
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