On 1 Oct 2003 10:26:37 -0000, Pete Larson <petel@...> wrote:

>>I would check in the Device Mangler and see that DMA is enabled for
>>the Seagate drive.

Thanks, Pete.  That was it.  When I installed the new drive, I
forgot to enable Ultra DMA mode in the BIOS setup, so it was
running PIO.

Greg

I bet you have loads of friends.
But then again who needs them when you know everything.

> No - not really.  Well, not at all actually.  The issue is that an IDE<BR>
> controller can only 'talk' to one of the two devices at a time, so if you<BR>
> have both channels in use, you will get slightly poorer performance than
if<BR>
> you had the two drives singley on two controllers.  The master and slave<BR>
> will be equally affected.  The slave is no better or worse.<BR>
> <BR>
> The symptom sounds more like DMA is not enabled on the slave device.<BR>
> <BR>
> But anyway - why are you doing this ?  Ripping digital audio from CDs is a<BR>
> far better way.  Go save the drama and do yourself a favour - get CDex.  A<BR>
> great example of Open Source software.<BR>
> <BR>
> <a
href="http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/">http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/</a><BR>
> <BR>
> regards,<BR>
> <BR>
> jr<BR>
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I bet you have loads of friends.
But then again who needs them when you know everything.

> No - not really.  Well, not at all actually.  The issue is that an IDE<BR>
> controller can only 'talk' to one of the two devices at a time, so if you<BR>
> have both channels in use, you will get slightly poorer performance than
if<BR>
> you had the two drives singley on two controllers.  The master and slave<BR>
> will be equally affected.  The slave is no better or worse.<BR>
> <BR>
> The symptom sounds more like DMA is not enabled on the slave device.<BR>
> <BR>
> But anyway - why are you doing this ?  Ripping digital audio from CDs is a<BR>
> far better way.  Go save the drama and do yourself a favour - get CDex.  A<BR>
> great example of Open Source software.<BR>
> <BR>
> <a
href="http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/">http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/</a><BR>
> <BR>
> regards,<BR>
> <BR>
> jr<BR>
> <BR>
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And who needs any ungrateful moron who asks a question and then says crap
like that when they get the best answer.  James did not come across as a
know-it-all and has always been helpful when he could.  Get a clue.

Pete L.

At 06:00 AM 10/02/2003, ianbetts@... wrote:
>I bet you have loads of friends.
>But then again who needs them when you know everything.
>
> > No - not really.  Well, not at all actually.  The issue is that an IDE<BR>
> > controller can only 'talk' to one of the two devices at a time, so if
> you<BR>
> > have both channels in use, you will get slightly poorer performance
> than if<BR>
> > you had the two drives singley on two controllers.  The master and
> slave<BR>
> > will be equally affected.  The slave is no better or worse.<BR>
> > <BR>
> > The symptom sounds more like DMA is not enabled on the slave device.<BR>
> > <BR>
> > But anyway - why are you doing this ?  Ripping digital audio from CDs
> is a<BR>
> > far better way.  Go save the drama and do yourself a favour - get
> CDex.  A<BR>
> > great example of Open Source software.<BR>
> > <BR>
> > <a
> href="http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/">http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/</a><BR>
> > <BR>
> > regards,<BR>
> > <BR>
> > jr<BR>
> > <BR>
> > </tt>
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I asked no question.
Maybe you should re-read the thread.

I tried to help someone and suffered
for the trouble.

James did the crapping, all over me,
when he rudely dismissed my suggestion
before making his own (as it happens
right) one.

These forums only work when people
feel they can contribute freely, I feel
just as indignant when they cant.

Im no ungrateful moron, like you I get
offended when I see people being treated unfairly,
and that includes myself.






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> know-it-all and has always been helpful when he could.  Get a clue.<BR>
> <BR>
> Pete L.<BR>
> <BR>
> At 06:00 AM 10/02/2003, ianbetts@... wrote:<BR>
> >I bet you have loads of friends.<BR>
> >But then again who needs them when you know everything.<BR>
> ><BR>
> > > No - not really.  Well, not at all actually.  The issue is that an
IDE<BR><BR>
> > > controller can only 'talk' to one of the two devices at a time, so if <BR>
> > you<BR><BR>
> > > have both channels in use, you will get slightly poorer performance <BR>
> > than if<BR><BR>
> > > you had the two drives singley on two controllers.  The master and <BR>
> > slave<BR><BR>
> > > will be equally affected.  The slave is no better or worse.<BR><BR>
> > > <BR><BR>
> > > The symptom sounds more like DMA is not enabled on the slave
device.<BR><BR>
> > > <BR><BR>
> > > But anyway - why are you doing this ?  Ripping digital audio from CDs <BR>
> > is a<BR><BR>
> > > far better way.  Go save the drama and do yourself a favour - get <BR>
> > CDex.  A<BR><BR>
> > > great example of Open Source software.<BR><BR>
> > > <BR><BR>
> > > <a <BR>
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> > > regards,<BR><BR>
> > > <BR><BR>
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I asked no question.
Maybe you should re-read the thread.

I tried to help someone and suffered
for the trouble.

James did the crapping, all over me,
when he rudely dismissed my suggestion
before making his own (as it happens
right) one.

These forums only work when people
feel they can contribute freely, I feel
just as indignant when they cant.

Im no ungrateful moron, like you I get
offended when I see people being treated unfairly,
and that includes myself.






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> like that when they get the best answer.  James did not come across as a <BR>
> know-it-all and has always been helpful when he could.  Get a clue.<BR>
> <BR>
> Pete L.<BR>
> <BR>
> At 06:00 AM 10/02/2003, ianbetts@... wrote:<BR>
> >I bet you have loads of friends.<BR>
> >But then again who needs them when you know everything.<BR>
> ><BR>
> > > No - not really.  Well, not at all actually.  The issue is that an
IDE<BR><BR>
> > > controller can only 'talk' to one of the two devices at a time, so if <BR>
> > you<BR><BR>
> > > have both channels in use, you will get slightly poorer performance <BR>
> > than if<BR><BR>
> > > you had the two drives singley on two controllers.  The master and <BR>
> > slave<BR><BR>
> > > will be equally affected.  The slave is no better or worse.<BR><BR>
> > > <BR><BR>
> > > The symptom sounds more like DMA is not enabled on the slave
device.<BR><BR>
> > > <BR><BR>
> > > But anyway - why are you doing this ?  Ripping digital audio from CDs <BR>
> > is a<BR><BR>
> > > far better way.  Go save the drama and do yourself a favour - get <BR>
> > CDex.  A<BR><BR>
> > > great example of Open Source software.<BR><BR>
> > > <BR><BR>
> > > <a <BR>
> > href="<a
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> > > regards,<BR><BR>
> > > <BR><BR>
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I asked no question.
Maybe you should re-read the thread.

I tried to help someone and suffered
for the trouble.

James did the crapping, all over me,
when he rudely dismissed my suggestion
before making his own (as it happens
right) one.

These forums only work when people
feel they can contribute freely, I feel
just as indignant when they cant.

Im no ungrateful moron, like you I get
offended when I see people being treated unfairly,
and that includes myself.






STAudio@yahoogroups.com wrote:

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> <tt>
> And who needs any ungrateful moron who asks a question and then says crap <BR>
> like that when they get the best answer.  James did not come across as a <BR>
> know-it-all and has always been helpful when he could.  Get a clue.<BR>
> <BR>
> Pete L.<BR>
> <BR>
> At 06:00 AM 10/02/2003, ianbetts@... wrote:<BR>
> >I bet you have loads of friends.<BR>
> >But then again who needs them when you know everything.<BR>
> ><BR>
> > > No - not really.  Well, not at all actually.  The issue is that an
IDE<BR><BR>
> > > controller can only 'talk' to one of the two devices at a time, so if <BR>
> > you<BR><BR>
> > > have both channels in use, you will get slightly poorer performance <BR>
> > than if<BR><BR>
> > > you had the two drives singley on two controllers.  The master and <BR>
> > slave<BR><BR>
> > > will be equally affected.  The slave is no better or worse.<BR><BR>
> > > <BR><BR>
> > > The symptom sounds more like DMA is not enabled on the slave
device.<BR><BR>
> > > <BR><BR>
> > > But anyway - why are you doing this ?  Ripping digital audio from CDs <BR>
> > is a<BR><BR>
> > > far better way.  Go save the drama and do yourself a favour - get <BR>
> > CDex.  A<BR><BR>
> > > great example of Open Source software.<BR><BR>
> > > <BR><BR>
> > > <a <BR>
> > href="<a
href="http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/">http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/</a>"><a
href="http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/">http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/</a></a><BR>\
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I asked no question.
Maybe you should re-read the thread.

I tried to help someone and suffered
for the trouble.

James did the crapping, all over me,
when he rudely dismissed my suggestion
before making his own (as it happens
right) one.

These forums only work when people
feel they can contribute freely, I feel
just as indignant when they cant.

Im no ungrateful moron, like you I get
offended when I see people being treated unfairly,
and that includes myself.






STAudio@yahoogroups.com wrote:

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> <tt>
> And who needs any ungrateful moron who asks a question and then says crap <BR>
> like that when they get the best answer.  James did not come across as a <BR>
> know-it-all and has always been helpful when he could.  Get a clue.<BR>
> <BR>
> Pete L.<BR>
> <BR>
> At 06:00 AM 10/02/2003, ianbetts@... wrote:<BR>
> >I bet you have loads of friends.<BR>
> >But then again who needs them when you know everything.<BR>
> ><BR>
> > > No - not really.  Well, not at all actually.  The issue is that an
IDE<BR><BR>
> > > controller can only 'talk' to one of the two devices at a time, so if <BR>
> > you<BR><BR>
> > > have both channels in use, you will get slightly poorer performance <BR>
> > than if<BR><BR>
> > > you had the two drives singley on two controllers.  The master and <BR>
> > slave<BR><BR>
> > > will be equally affected.  The slave is no better or worse.<BR><BR>
> > > <BR><BR>
> > > The symptom sounds more like DMA is not enabled on the slave
device.<BR><BR>
> > > <BR><BR>
> > > But anyway - why are you doing this ?  Ripping digital audio from CDs <BR>
> > is a<BR><BR>
> > > far better way.  Go save the drama and do yourself a favour - get <BR>
> > CDex.  A<BR><BR>
> > > great example of Open Source software.<BR><BR>
> > > <BR><BR>
> > > <a <BR>
> > href="<a
href="http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/">http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/</a>"><a
href="http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/">http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/</a></a><BR>\
<BR>
> > > <BR><BR>
> > > regards,<BR><BR>
> > > <BR><BR>
> > > jr<BR><BR>
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OK so Im paranoid.

Assume dialogue
[me]
   Im no expert
[james]
   No - not really.  Well, not at all actually
[me]
   but I believe slave drives have some kind of disadvantage.

OR dialogue

[me]
   I believe slave drives have some kind of disadvantage
[james]
   No - not really.  Well, not at all actually


Sorry its James et al. I forgot to take my tablets.




STAudio@yahoogroups.com wrote:

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> <tt>
> > Im no expert but I belive slave drives have some kind<BR>
> > of disadvantage wrt IDE bus behavior.<BR>
> <BR>
> No - not really.  Well, not at all actually.  The issue is that an IDE<BR>
> controller can only 'talk' to one of the two devices at a time, so if you<BR>
> have both channels in use, you will get slightly poorer performance than
if<BR>
> you had the two drives singley on two controllers.  The master and slave<BR>
> will be equally affected.  The slave is no better or worse.<BR>
> <BR>
> The symptom sounds more like DMA is not enabled on the slave device.<BR>
> <BR>
> But anyway - why are you doing this ?  Ripping digital audio from CDs is a<BR>
> far better way.  Go save the drama and do yourself a favour - get CDex.  A<BR>
> great example of Open Source software.<BR>
> <BR>
> <a
href="http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/">http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/</a><BR>
> <BR>
> regards,<BR>
> <BR>
> jr<BR>
> <BR>
> </tt>
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OK so Im paranoid.

Assume dialogue
[me]
   Im no expert
[james]
   No - not really.  Well, not at all actually
[me]
   but I believe slave drives have some kind of disadvantage.

OR dialogue

[me]
   I believe slave drives have some kind of disadvantage
[james]
   No - not really.  Well, not at all actually


Sorry its James et al. I forgot to take my tablets.




STAudio@yahoogroups.com wrote:

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>
>
> <tt>
> > Im no expert but I belive slave drives have some kind<BR>
> > of disadvantage wrt IDE bus behavior.<BR>
> <BR>
> No - not really.  Well, not at all actually.  The issue is that an IDE<BR>
> controller can only 'talk' to one of the two devices at a time, so if you<BR>
> have both channels in use, you will get slightly poorer performance than
if<BR>
> you had the two drives singley on two controllers.  The master and slave<BR>
> will be equally affected.  The slave is no better or worse.<BR>
> <BR>
> The symptom sounds more like DMA is not enabled on the slave device.<BR>
> <BR>
> But anyway - why are you doing this ?  Ripping digital audio from CDs is a<BR>
> far better way.  Go save the drama and do yourself a favour - get CDex.  A<BR>
> great example of Open Source software.<BR>
> <BR>
> <a
href="http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/">http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/</a><BR>
> <BR>
> regards,<BR>
> <BR>
> jr<BR>
> <BR>
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At 08:45 AM 10/02/2003, ianbetts@... wrote:
>I asked no question.
>Maybe you should re-read the thread.

I re-read the thread.  You were correct about putting the Seagate as Master
on the secondary channel and CD-ROM as Slave.

>I tried to help someone and suffered
>for the trouble.

I think that's a misunderstanding as I said in my other post... a matter of
inserting his comment where it could be taken the wrong way maybe.  I doubt
any crapping on anyone was intended.

>James did the crapping, all over me,
>when he rudely dismissed my suggestion
>before making his own (as it happens
>right) one.
>
>These forums only work when people
>feel they can contribute freely, I feel
>just as indignant when they cant.
>
>Im no ungrateful moron, like you I get
>offended when I see people being treated unfairly,
>and that includes myself.

A little humor can go a long way towards pointing out when someone has
stepped on a toe.  It's usually an accident.

BTW, your posts are coming as doubles and multiple postings...


_ Pete Larson

At 09:03 AM 10/02/2003, ianbetts@... wrote:
>OK so Im paranoid.
>
>Assume dialogue
>[me]
>   Im no expert
>[james]
>   No - not really.  Well, not at all actually
>[me]
>   but I believe slave drives have some kind of disadvantage.
>
>OR dialogue
>
>[me]
>   I believe slave drives have some kind of disadvantage
>[james]
>   No - not really.  Well, not at all actually
>
>
>Sorry its James et al. I forgot to take my tablets.

This dialogs may only be helpful if you also remember to take your tablets,
if prescribed.  When you say you are no expert, no one is going to give you
a bad time if you say something that needs correcting.  They're going to
correct it, that's all.  You benefit from this just like we all do.  Oh, I
just got it... you thought James was being emphatic about you not being an
expert rather than about what was the right answer.  I doubt he meant it
that way as James doesn't come across that way, but I see how you took it.


_ Pete Larson

This is an intensely dull correspondence for the rest of us to sit through, Ian.
Couldn't you take up your grievance/misunderstanding with James privately? Also,
each of your recent posts has come through in multiple copies. Is your hand on
the send button so trembling with rage, or is it a systems fault?

-----Original Message-----
From: ianbetts@... [mailto:ianbetts@...]
Sent: 02 October 2003 17:03
To: STAudio@yahoogroups.com; STAudio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STAudio] Audio Capture Problem


OK so Im paranoid.

Assume dialogue
[me]
   Im no expert
[james]
   No - not really.  Well, not at all actually
[me]
   but I believe slave drives have some kind of disadvantage.

OR dialogue

[me]
   I believe slave drives have some kind of disadvantage
[james]
   No - not really.  Well, not at all actually


Sorry its James et al. I forgot to take my tablets.




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> > Im no expert but I belive slave drives have some kind<BR>
> > of disadvantage wrt IDE bus behavior.<BR>
> <BR>
> No - not really.  Well, not at all actually.  The issue is that an IDE<BR>
> controller can only 'talk' to one of the two devices at a time, so if you<BR>
> have both channels in use, you will get slightly poorer performance than
if<BR>
> you had the two drives singley on two controllers.  The master and slave<BR>
> will be equally affected.  The slave is no better or worse.<BR>
> <BR>
> The symptom sounds more like DMA is not enabled on the slave device.<BR>
> <BR>
> But anyway - why are you doing this ?  Ripping digital audio from CDs is a<BR>
> far better way.  Go save the drama and do yourself a favour - get CDex.  A<BR>
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Hi y'all

I don't know if there's anyone on this list running 3 DSP's in one box
?? Reason I ask is because soon enough I'll know how it goes, but wanted
some ahead-info from someone who knew. I have one DSP right now, 2 more
from eBay in the mail and an eBayed external clock (Mutec, I wanna sync
on coax, lightpipe and AES/EBU) also in the mail...


Goodie, goodie am I in for some configuration rodeo next few weeks..
I'll let you all know how it goes.


Herwig

> I tried to help someone and suffered
> for the trouble.

???? How.

> James did the crapping, all over me,
> when he rudely dismissed my suggestion
> before making his own (as it happens
> right) one.

Where was I rude ?  I pointed out that the suggestion (which presumably was
yours) that a slave device was somehow 'worse' than a master device was not
true.  Sorry if the truth hurts, but unfortunately you were disseminating
informatin that just wasn't the real issue.

> These forums only work when people
> feel they can contribute freely, I feel
> just as indignant when they cant.

When did I in any manner personally attack you ?  If you feel you can't
contribute just because someone has pointed out that a suggestion you made
was probably not going to help, then bad luck.  If I see FUD I'll say so.
If that is a problem for you, then I suggest you are going to have a very
unhappy life.  Realise the difference between attacking the idea and
attacking the person.  It is one that applies in all adult behaviour.

> Im no ungrateful moron, like you I get
> offended when I see people being treated unfairly,
> and that includes myself.

Again, how is it unfair to explain why an idea is incorrect ?

regards,

James

> no one is going to give you
> a bad time if you say something that needs correcting.  They're going to
> correct it, that's all.  You benefit from this just like we all do.

Absolutely.  That is why I specifically copied just the piece of advice that
I believe was misleading, and again specifically removed any reference to
who it was by.  It was the information that needed addressing, not who it
was by.

> Oh, I
> just got it... you thought James was being emphatic about you not being an
> expert rather than about what was the right answer.  I doubt he meant it
> that way as James doesn't come across that way, but I see how you took it.

Of course I didn't mean it that way. If I meant it that way you'd know ;-)

Anyway - no harm done, and I'm glad the person with the original problem has
it sorted.  Still think he should use CDex (or some other form of ripping
software) rather than connecting up the digital cable between his CDROM and
digital IO card.  That can cause other problems, particularly if you are
building projects in sample rates other than 44.1 KHz.

regards,

jr

> I don't know if there's anyone on this list running 3 DSP's in one box

No - only two here, well one DSP24 & one Media 7.1.  Works just fine though.

> Goodie, goodie am I in for some configuration rodeo next few weeks..
> I'll let you all know how it goes.

Await with baited breath.  Hope you have a good time ;-)

jr

Guys, Im genuinely very sorry about this flaming.
Yesterday was a bad day all round.
Ive learned my lesson.
Ian


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> I believe was misleading, and again specifically removed any reference to<BR>
> who it was by.  It was the information that needed addressing, not who it<BR>
> was by.<BR>
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> > just got it... you thought James was being emphatic about you not being
an<BR>
> > expert rather than about what was the right answer.  I doubt he meant it<BR>
> > that way as James doesn't come across that way, but I see how you took
it.<BR>
> <BR>
> Of course I didn't mean it that way. If I meant it that way you'd know ;-)<BR>
> <BR>
> Anyway - no harm done, and I'm glad the person with the original problem
has<BR>
> it sorted.  Still think he should use CDex (or some other form of ripping<BR>
> software) rather than connecting up the digital cable between his CDROM
and<BR>
> digital IO card.  That can cause other problems, particularly if you are<BR>
> building projects in sample rates other than 44.1 KHz.<BR>
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Like James Im using 2 right now (in this case both DSP24s, with C-PORT
attached).

I had a little trouble to start with, but its fine now.
I found the win98 drivers did not really support 2 cards,
so I had to upgrade to XP. Occaissionally the external links panel crashes when
I try to switch cards, but its 99% stable.

The only other issue was to understand that I needed to hook one card to the
other externally via the digital I/O to ensure that the clocks are sync'd. i.e.
I have card 1 running on internal clock and card 2 external clock.

Like James Id be interested to hear how you get on, as I am
contemplating a 3rd card myself. Im expecting lots of fun with interrupt
sharing. Good luck..
Ian


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> some ahead-info from someone who knew. I have one DSP right now, 2 more<BR>
> from eBay in the mail and an eBayed external clock (Mutec, I wanna sync<BR>
> on coax, lightpipe and AES/EBU) also in the mail...    <BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> Goodie, goodie am I in for some configuration rodeo next few weeks..<BR>
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Hi I'm new to this list, but I was wondering if anyone
here knows whether there are any drivers for the DSP24
for Linux Red Hat 9???

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance,

Vaughan

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Not tried it but apparently it is supported by
ALSA, which should work with any flavour of linux
presumably also Redhat 9.

see http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/

Cheers,
Ian



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On 3 Oct 2003 09:48:26 -0000, "James Robertson"
<jrr@...> wrote:

>>Anyway - no harm done, and I'm glad the person with the original problem has
>>it sorted.  Still think he should use CDex (or some other form of ripping
>>software) rather than connecting up the digital cable between his CDROM and
>>digital IO card.  That can cause other problems, particularly if you are
>>building projects in sample rates other than 44.1 KHz.

Hello, again.  I am the person with the original problem.

I use the direct digital connection because when I'm in my office
working I am quite a bit more likely to be listening to a CD
played through my DSP 24 II than I am to be copying sound files
from CD to hard disk.  On the rare occasions when I need to copy,
everything is already in place and I just do it.

I am curious, though, about your comments about "other problems".
Can you be more specific about that?  I have not encountered any
problems with this setup myself.

Thanks,
Greg Berchin

PS What has happened to Yahoo?  The messages that I get are full
of formatting characters that should be invisible.

The way to go is alsa drivers, but they're not included with redhat 9,
but this people did the hard job for you (compiling kernels - drivers - apps):
http://ccrma-www.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/

PlanetCCRMA it's a meta-distribution on top of various redhat versions,
using apt + rpm as installation media. They have iso images too.
What you get:
- Kernel built with low latency and preemptive patches.
- Alsa drivers
- Jack-connection-kit ( the coolest thing in linux audio, let's you
route audio paths between applications using the api).
- lots of audio and video apps.
Things to checkout for multitrack recording: ardour, envy24control,
qjackctl, audacity, etc...

And if you have setup issues to solve this guide is very helpfull:
http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/ALSA_JACK_ARDOUR.html

have luck,
francisco.

On Fri, 03 Oct 2003, Dirk Kowbouy wrote:

> Hi I'm new to this list, but I was wondering if anyone
> here knows whether there are any drivers for the DSP24
> for Linux Red Hat 9???
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks in advance,
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> I use the direct digital connection because when I'm in my office
> working I am quite a bit more likely to be listening to a CD
> played through my DSP 24 II than I am to be copying sound files
> from CD to hard disk.  On the rare occasions when I need to copy,
> everything is already in place and I just do it.

Understand, and figured that might be your reason, but you still don't need
to do this.  Both Winamp & MS Media Player support 'on the fly' digital
extraction when playing CDs.  However, you have it already set up - so not a
huge reason to change, albeit, those rare occasions of ripping will be much
quicker when done via DAE rather than 'real-time' recording.  Aslo you get
the advantage that CDex & other tools will query the online music databases
& automagically name your WAV or MP3 files for you.  I'm lazy enough that
that is a significant bonus.

> I am curious, though, about your comments about "other problems".
> Can you be more specific about that?  I have not encountered any
> problems with this setup myself.

The issue is that not all CDROM drives have particularly 'good' S/PDIF
connections - and they are only ever 44.1 KHz.  Some of them may well send
out clocking information while not actually 'playing' casuing hassles when
recording projects at any other resolution than 44.1.  Also, I understand
that they can cause problems if you are trying to use the 'real' digital
card IOs.  You shouldn't have more than one source providing clocking info,
yet if you are trying to record say a DAT at 48Khz and have the CDROM
attached it will be sending clock at 44.1.  Problem.

On many occasions when Matt & Claus have been diagnosing problems on the
STAudio web site, I have noticed them checking if the user with a problem
has the little internal digital cable connected to a CDROM drive.  I figure
it's just not worth using ;-)

jr

----- Original Message -----

From: Neil Scales

To: 'STAudio@yahoogroups.com'

Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:49 PM

Subject: [STAudio] Megaphone Plug-in

I know this isn't the place to ask, but I will anyway :-)

 

I have some vocals that I would like to sound like a megaphone.

 

Can anyone recommend a suitable plug-in or perhaps some settings in n-track or Cool Edit 2000.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Neil Scales

To: 'STAudio@yahoogroups.com'

Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:49 PM

Subject: [STAudio] Megaphone Plug-in

I know this isn't the place to ask, but I will anyway :-)

 

I have some vocals that I would like to sound like a megaphone.

 

Can anyone recommend a suitable plug-in or perhaps some settings in n-track or Cool Edit 2000.

 

I did record the vocal with my ADC/DAC2000 so it's not entirely off topic.

 

Neil

 

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