see http://carto.net , THE site when it comes to SVG + mapping

Cheers,

Ruud
http://svg.startpagina.nl (general SVG links page)

PS: Next time use a more descriptive title for your message instead of
"question".


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>
> I have a question about how to create a SVG map, I want to create a
map of my city (I live in Bogota, Colombia) but I don't khow how do I
do this? Somebody help me???
>
>   Thanks...
>
>
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>
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See how to easily build your mobile SVG Valentine Greetings on
http://svghearts.com

Hi all,

The MobileMonday NY committee, Antoine Quint of SVG.org, Scott Weiss
of Usable Products and Dan Appelquist of Vodafone and MobileMonday
London are happy to invite you to the "Rich Mobile Experiences with
SVG" event held in New York City on January 29th.

This event has been set up to provide an exhaustive overview of the
Mobile SVG ecosystem with a strong selection of leaders in the field
-- Sun Microsystems, Qualcomm, Vodafone, Ikivo, Opera, BitFlash and
Beatware -- coming together to present their solutions and visions
around Mobile SVG.

Speakers will update you on everything relevant to this key rich
mobile technology including authoring solutions, deployed and live
services, integration in application platforms (J2ME, Brew, Symbian),
user interfaces design, mobile browsing, etc. A closing panel and Q&A
session, followed by a networking reception, will allow you to take
part in the discussion and get answers to real-world problems related
to creating rich mobile experiences with SVG.

The main event will run from 3pm to 8pm, followed by the reception,
on Monday January 29th at the Samsung Experience in the Time Warner
Center near Central Park. Registration is completely free and already
open on our Upcoming.org page.

http://upcoming.org/event/135061/

There is limited seating, so take the time to register now. Look out
for a complete event program on this page in the coming days. Hoping
to see you in New York on the 29th,

The "Rich Mobile Experiences with SVG" Event Team

Hi there,

I got a chance to talk with the SlingMedia guys who have just
announced the Symbian release of their player. As it turns out, they
used SVG Tiny to power the user interface of their product. You can
read on about this SVG success story on my blog:

http://the.fuchsia-design.com/2006/11/look-into-slingplayer-mobiles-
use-of.html

Antoine
--
Blog — http://the.fuchsia-design.com

visit a good link of the indian light festival
http://www.thedesigntree.in/ecard/d06/celebration.html

On Thursday, September 7, 2006, 6:06:25 PM, Marc wrote:

MV> Hi Chris,

MV>

MV> I respectfully disagree.

That's OK in turn, I disagree with some of what you say below while
agreeing with other parts.

MV> The SVG community has been pushed into Adobe's arms for too long

Agreed, although the pushing was in the very early days and much of the
adhesion has been rather ill-considered (eg making sites that *only*
work in ASV 1, or 2 or 3, etc).

MV> and it is
MV> time to realize that Adobe is now focusing its strategy on Flash, not SVG.

I think that was clear pretty soon after the merger was announced.

MV> Suggesting that Adobe will continue to support SVG in its product line

As I said, I think they will, while there is demand. They sell authoring
tools. They don't sell the viewer, nor AFAIK did they seek to really
license it much for embedding as a component. It makes sense for them to
end of life ASV since an updated version has not been released for a
long time, there are other implementations, and they make no money off
it while at the same time keeping it around consumes resources (eg for
security patches, porting to Vista, etc)

MV>  and
MV> that it is therefore OK to rely on Adobe to get authoring tools for the
MV> mobile world is..

... is ... not what I said. "rely on" in particular is entirely missing
in my statement, and interpolated by yourself.

MV> well, I don't know how to qualify this.


MV> The next release of Illustrator will perhaps - only perhaps - support SVG
MV> because the next version was already on its way when the merger between
MV> Adobe and Macromedia was made official.

Right. And it takes effort to remove it and so while there is demand it
will persist; it might even get better, who knows. The point is that
this is a product on which they make money, so its different to a free
giveaway on which they loose money.

MV>  But it is quite plausible that the
MV> Flash-Lite team will want it killed to stop SVG's progression in the mobile
MV> world.

Yes, thats certainly possible. Given that Illustrator supports a wide
range of export formats I think its unlikely, however that a given one
will be pulled while there is demand, because that might translate to
lost sales.

MV> The other product supporting SVG Tiny (Golive) will likely see
MV> another release, but should be merged into Dreamweaver in the near future.

Possibly. GoLive and Dreamweaver aim at pretty different mmarkest.
dreamweaver has always been the 'street HTML' product, ignoring what
standards say in favor of what the currently popular HTML implementatins
do.

GoLive, while it started out as another nested-tables-and-sliced images
product, has moved more to an XML based, standards based and mobile
based product. So I consider it much less likely that they will be
merged, or one dropped and the other promoted, than is the case for say,
Illustrator and Freehand (where I bet Freehand sank like a stone within
minutes of the merger),  or the Flash authoring tools from Macromedia
compared to, say, LiveMotion (stone analogy, similarly).

MV> Do you believe Dreamweaver will support a competitor to Flash and
MV> Flash-Lite?

I think Dreamweaver will continue to support whatever the HTML desktop
browsers do and will continue to ignore the standards based and
mobile-based areas.

None of which argues, as you have suggested, that people "rely on" the
Adobe authoring tools, either for desktop or mobile. They are just one
choice - your company sells a different choice as do yet other
companies. And for the free authoring tools, Inkscape gets better with
every release.

MV> About SVG 1.1 being included with the Flash-Lite viewer, it is worth noting
MV> that SVG is just an option and that nobody is using it (to my knowledge).

I agree that its an option and is there because otherwise they could not
even start to sell the product. People who want mobile Flash get Flash
Lite; people who want mobile SVG go to other places, like Ikivo and
Bitflash, who have track record with the technology.

MV> Besides, SVG 1.1 is way too limited to be useful on a device.

Presumably you mean Tiny 1.1? Its fine for some things - but Tiny 1.2 is
way better agreed.

Summary - Adobe announced they are dropping ASV. No real surprise there.
Better than just leaving it to rot, as it clearly signals to people to
look for a different solution - of which there are several on both
desktop and mobile.


MV> From: SVG-Mobile@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SVG-Mobile@yahoogroups.com] On
MV> Behalf Of Chris Lilley
MV> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 8:43 AM
MV> To: kubik_sj
MV> Cc: SVG-Mobile@yahoogroups.com
MV> Subject: Re: [SVG-Mobile] Comments on Adobe's stance and how it effects SVG
MV> mobile

MV>

MV> On Thursday, September 7, 2006, 5:04:02 PM, kubik_sj wrote:

k>> Hey all,
k>> Still here; I'm lurking almost everyday on the groups. Because I must
k>> be IRC illiterate, I can't chat with the SVG folks live. So I'm
k>> posting my question here... what affect is the removal of the SVG
k>> Viewer going to have on SVG's mobile applications?

MV> Hi Sara,

MV> It has no effect on SVG mobile since it did not run on any mobile platform.

MV> There was no announcement made about SVG support in FlashLite 1.1 (which
MV> does run on mobile) nor on SVG Tiny export in authoring tools. Since both of
MV> those are sold, not free, they are more likely tocontinue as long as there
MV> is demand. IMHO.





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  Interaction Domain Leader
  Co-Chair, W3C SVG Working Group
  W3C Graphics Activity Lead
  Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG

On Thursday, September 7, 2006, 5:04:02 PM, kubik_sj wrote:

k> Hey all,
k> Still here; I'm lurking almost everyday on the groups. Because I must
k> be IRC illiterate, I can't chat with the SVG folks live.  So I'm
k> posting my question here... what affect is the removal of the SVG
k> Viewer going to have on SVG's mobile applications?

Hi Sara,

It has no effect on SVG mobile since it did not run on any mobile platform.

There was no announcement made about SVG support in FlashLite 1.1 (which does
run on mobile) nor on SVG Tiny  export in authoring tools. Since both of those
are sold, not free, they are more likely tocontinue as long as there is demand.
IMHO.



--
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  Interaction Domain Leader
  Co-Chair, W3C SVG Working Group
  W3C Graphics Activity Lead
  Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG

Hey all,
Still here; I'm lurking almost everyday on the groups. Because I must
be IRC illiterate, I can't chat with the SVG folks live.  So I'm
posting my question here... what affect is the removal of the SVG
Viewer going to have on SVG's mobile applications?

I'm not looking for a technical answer; I'd rather see what the guru's
say about this from a high-level perspective.

Sara

please could others express there thoughts regarding their
preferences for a logo?

as to my own, read on:

Yesterday Stelt asked me on IRC if I was entering the SVG Logo Contest.

I replied that I rather thought not as I liked the current W3C
graphics logo

as used here http://www.w3.org/Graphics/

which I find humane and homely unlike much technology which can be
hard and cold.

it was suggested that it wasn't interactive, and I agreed that
cowboys.svg has much to commend it, though it isn't a logo.

overnight it occurred to me that as a minimum I would naturally
require a logo to be accessible.
which might for instance mean that for me there - must - be some
visual feedback to tell the user which element in the logo has focus,
there should also be audio, keyboard tabbing, text equivalent and more.

cheers

Jonathan Chetwynd

Hi-

A few months ago, we announced a contest to create a logo for SVG.  We got
many great submissions to choose from, and we're really excited!  I have set
up a public gallery so you can see all the art we've received thus far.
Please visit:
  http://svglogo.com/gallery.html

In order to coordinate with the SVG Open conference, we're now taking
entries through October 1, 2006.  We will be announcing the winner on
October 17 at SVG Open.

If any of you didn't have time to submit your logo before, now is the time!
If this is the first you've heard of it, visit the gallery and get inspired.
Spread the word, and send in your logo ideas right away.  There are no
limits on how many you can submit, so let your imagination soar.

All logos can be mailed to entries@....  Please include your name
and contact information.

Regards-
Doug
SVG Logo Contest Organizer

I haven't seen any job postings on this yahoo group but I thought
I'd try asking here since it is very difficult to find people with
SVG Tiny experience in the US....  Job Description below. Thanks!
------------------------------------------------------------------
Moderati, a wireless entertainment technology company, seeks a
Project Manager to join our growing team.

We are the US subsidiary of Faith, Inc. a successful Japanese public
company in the midst of global expansion. Our business covers audio
and visual technology for mobile devices and consumer content
services. This is an opportunity to join a fun, entrepreneurial team
in a growth phase, yet backed by a successful parent company.

See www.faith-inc.com and www.moderati.com

Technical Project Manager - Graphics Specialist

The candidate will help support mobile handset multimedia product.
The Technical Project Manager will work with mobile content
providers, technology partners, and testing partners in several
remote locations.  The position includes the following
responsibilities:

•Assist in SVG (Scalar Vector Graphics) content and application
testing on mobile handsets.
•Evaluate SVG Tiny feature implementation by conducting
comprehensive feature testing on development devices.
•Develop original mobile SVG animation and compelling interactive
applications
•Construct strategy plan for marketing graphics features
•Create training materials to be used for content provider training
world wide
•Conduct How to create and use SVG content technical training for
content providers as needed
•Define and maintain mobile handset test plans.  Take part in
testing beta version PC graphics software applications for authoring
mobile graphics and audio content.
•Coordinate and manage multimedia handset testing with partners.
Interpret handset test information and publish results.
•Evaluate graphics and animation content from other content provider
partners
•Report trends in handset issues uncovered through testing for
follow up with OEM partners to ensure resolution in upcoming handset
releases
•Review and feedback on mobile multimedia product specifications and
support requirements
•Evaluate industry trends, customer and partner feedback as criteria
for new product specifications.
•Conduct market research on mobile graphics content services and
technology usage in content provider community.

Required Knowledge, Skills and Experience

•Bachelors and 5-7 years of experience working with mobile or PC
animated graphics content a must
•Understanding of mobile graphics formats and mobile content
production
•Experience in PC graphics format such as Flash or SVG is a plus
•Good Presentation skills
•Market interpretation/analysis, product vision, market knowledge,
competitive analysis.
•Ability to learn and apply new technologies.
•Ability to time manage efficiently
•Ability to work independently
•Ability to work well in a team environment.
•Demonstrated ability to analyze and communicate complex technical
solutions to others.
•Ability to establish priorities while balancing complex technical
and business requirements.

CONTACT: cmxjobs@...

Thanks Jonathan, but,

I was actually hoping for techniques and handsets that run it out of
the box, so nothing to install, just a phone to buy and a URL to visit
or an MMS to receive.

I have created a little thing that might just get (SVG) popular within
a certain top-brand company, where people have above average handsets,
  but lack the technical interest+knowledge to install a special viewer.

Anybody able to help me on this viral marketing of SVG scheme?

Ruud



--- In SVG-Mobile@yahoogroups.com, Jonathan Chetwynd <j.chetwynd@...>
wrote:
>
> well yes for some years now, that is if you are referring to the real
> world rather than blu sky developers...
>
> ASV uses proprietary audio but you probably know that....
>
> these are two known standards based methods:
>
> so  whatwg audio:
>
>
> Opera:
> http://www.peepo.co.uk/index-opera.svg  unfortunately the current
> implementation of systemlanguage defeats rational use of more thqan a
> single language afaik
>
> or foreignobject:
>
>
> Safari webkit:
> http://bugzilla.opendarwin.org/attachment.cgi?id=8239
>
> foreignobject is currently broken in mozilla... but you can visit:
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=334920
>
> cheers
>
> Jonathan Chetwynd
>
>
>
> On 9 Aug 2006, at 14:05, steltenpower wrote:
>
> SVG 1.2 has audio, but as that is not out yet, what options are there?
>
> brand/model specific things ?
> combining with non-standard HTML sound ?
> phones that implement part of a draft version of SVG 1.2 ?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

On Wednesday, August 9, 2006, 6:58:10 PM, steltenpower wrote:

>>> SVG 1.2 has audio, but as that is not out yet, what options are there?

>> Why do you say its 'not out yet'?

s> I should have said SVG 1.2 is in Draft, not a Recommendation yet.
s> If anything claims to support SVG 1.2 it should actually claim "Draft"
s> and a date/version with that, as minor changes might still happen.
s> Or am i wrong?

You are correct. I thought you were saying that there were no implementations.


>> s> brand/model specific things ?
>> s> combining with non-standard HTML sound ?
>> s> phones that implement part of a draft version of SVG 1.2 ?

>> The latter would be the best bet going forward, surely. Except, it
s> doesn't have to be a phone, of course.

s> The latter is definitely what i prefer.
s> I wish the svg.org list of phones had a 1.2 category, i've asked its
s> maintainer.


Good idea!




s>
s> Yahoo! Groups Links



s>






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  Chris Lilley                    mailto:chris@...
  Interaction Domain Leader
  Co-Chair, W3C SVG Working Group
  W3C Graphics Activity Lead
  Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG

well yes for some years now, that is if you are referring to the real
world rather than blu sky developers...

ASV uses proprietary audio but you probably know that....

these are two known standards based methods:

so  whatwg audio:


Opera:
http://www.peepo.co.uk/index-opera.svg  unfortunately the current
implementation of systemlanguage defeats rational use of more thqan a
single language afaik

or foreignobject:


Safari webkit:
http://bugzilla.opendarwin.org/attachment.cgi?id=8239

foreignobject is currently broken in mozilla... but you can visit:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=334920

cheers

Jonathan Chetwynd



On 9 Aug 2006, at 14:05, steltenpower wrote:

SVG 1.2 has audio, but as that is not out yet, what options are there?

brand/model specific things ?
combining with non-standard HTML sound ?
phones that implement part of a draft version of SVG 1.2 ?







Yahoo! Groups Links

>> SVG 1.2 has audio, but as that is not out yet, what options are there?

> Why do you say its 'not out yet'?

I should have said SVG 1.2 is in Draft, not a Recommendation yet.
If anything claims to support SVG 1.2 it should actually claim "Draft"
and a date/version with that, as minor changes might still happen.
Or am i wrong?


> s> brand/model specific things ?
> s> combining with non-standard HTML sound ?
> s> phones that implement part of a draft version of SVG 1.2 ?

> The latter would be the best bet going forward, surely. Except, it
doesn't have to be a phone, of course.

The latter is definitely what i prefer.
I wish the svg.org list of phones had a 1.2 category, i've asked its
maintainer.

On Wednesday, August 9, 2006, 3:05:09 PM, steltenpower wrote:

s> SVG 1.2 has audio, but as that is not out yet, what options are there?

Why do you say its 'not out yet'?

s> brand/model specific things ?
s> combining with non-standard HTML sound ?
s> phones that implement part of a draft version of SVG 1.2 ?

The latter would be the best bet going forward, surely. Except, it doesn't have
to be a phone, of course.

--
  Chris Lilley                    mailto:chris@...
  Interaction Domain Leader
  Co-Chair, W3C SVG Working Group
  W3C Graphics Activity Lead
  Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG

SVG 1.2 has audio, but as that is not out yet, what options are there?

brand/model specific things ?
combining with non-standard HTML sound ?
phones that implement part of a draft version of SVG 1.2 ?

Doug,

that's a great initiative, however do you need a gallery link?
perhaps an entrants vote?
http://open.bbc.co.uk/reboot/gallery/ gives a great feel for what the
BBC managed to generate for similar prizes.
all entries were moderated before being published.

also you state when the competition ends, but not when the final
decision will be made, this is vitally important, as drift has been
known to occur, in the past.

best wishes

Jonathan Chetwynd



On 30 May 2006, at 15:47, Doug Schepers wrote:

Hi, Folks-

We are pleased to announce the launch of an SVG Logo contest! Visit the
official site for more details on the rules:
http://www.svglogo.com

Several companies who see the power of SVG have banded together to
hold a
contest for an SVG logo. This is intended to spread awareness of SVG,
especially among designers and users. You will soon see the winning
logo on
Web pages that use SVG, browsers and viewers that support SVG, authoring
tools that export SVG, and even packaging for SVG-enabled mobile
devices.

Obviously, the logo must be done in SVG. There are a bunch of great
prizes,
including an iPod Video, an SVG-enabled mobile phone, and SVG
authoring and
viewing software. So, get creative and get going!

Feel free to spread the word around. We're very excited to see what
comes in
from the community!

Regards-
Doug



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We are pleased to announce the launch of an SVG Logo contest! Visit the
official site for more details on the rules:
  http://www.svglogo.com

Several companies who see the power of SVG have banded together to hold a
contest for an SVG logo. This is intended to spread awareness of SVG,
especially among designers and users. You will soon see the winning logo on
Web pages that use SVG, browsers and viewers that support SVG, authoring
tools that export SVG, and even packaging for SVG-enabled mobile devices.

Obviously, the logo must be done in SVG. There are a bunch of great prizes,
including an iPod Video, an SVG-enabled mobile phone, and SVG authoring and
viewing software. So, get creative and get going!

Feel free to spread the word around. We're very excited to see what comes in
from the community!

Regards-
Doug

Folks,

I do not have any problem from Internet Explorer to run an online service
written in PHP to generate SVGT content on the fly. Unfortunately, from a
cellphone, the device reboots (not a blue screen but a white fading one).

The same service works in an XHTML page in an <object> tag ?!
Saved locally, the phone renders this SVGT document the right way ?!
Saved on the server, the phone renders this file the right way ?!

It seems that there is something wrong about the header not the document.

<?php header("Content-Type: image/svg+xml");
$xml_hdr = "<?xml version=\"1.0\" encoding=\"UTF-8\"?>\n";
print "$xml_hdr"; ?>

<svg width="178" height="220" viewBox="-89 -110 178 220"
	 xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"
	 xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink"
	 xml:space="preserve" version="1.1" baseProfile="SVG Tiny 1.1+">
<title> TEST </title>
...

Any useful info?


PS: The server is running PHP/4.4.2
     The device is a Sony Ericsson K600i over the Orange Network
       SonyEricssonK600i/R2T/SN356572003652532
       Browser/SEMC-Browser/4.2 Profile/MIDP-2.0
       Configuration/CLDC-1.1

Regards
______________
Laurent Tonnelier
Mahoo

In a bid to showcase the outstanding possibities of SVG Tiny, and to promote content artists all over the world, BitFlash is hosting a Mobile SVG Content Competition. Qualifying entries will be displayed in our Mobile SVG Gallery, and every submission selected for posting will be elegible to win the Grand Prize. For contest details, go to bitflash.com/mobile_gallery.html. Enter often, and help promote SVG! Contest closes June 30, 2006.

On Tuesday, April 11, 2006, 5:25:24 PM, Salman wrote:


S> I am developing buttons with multilingual support (swedish, english)
S> for SVGT. The idea is the

S> button text should adapt itself according to the locale langauage of
S> the mobile.

S> I tested this using systemLanguage feature in switch element as
S> follows.

S> <g font-size="25pt">
S> <switch>
S>     <g systemLanguage="en-UK">
S>         <text x="10" y="30">English.</text>
S>     </g>
S>     <g systemLanguage="sv">
S>         <text x="10" y="30">Svensksa.</text>
S>     </g>
S> </switch>
S> </g>

Note that if the users preferred language is en-us, or Norwegian,or basically
anything other than UK English (which is generally written en-gb) and Swedish,
they won't see anything. Having a fallback case on your switch is probably a
good idea here.

S> I used OpenWave mobile Simulator V7 who support displaying SVGT
S> content. Text in the appropriate language is displayed based on the
S> current language of mobile simulator. It works in IE too. However all
S> SE K750/K600/V800 only display swedish text even after setting
S> English as the phone language. Any thoughts!

Its possible that the binary of the svg player is hard coded  to a particular
language and does not react to OS changes. Have you sent mail to Ikivo about
this?

S> Is it the problem with Sony Ericsson devices or the SVG player?

S> Below is a sample file for reference.

S> Regards,
S> Salmi


S> =============================================================
S> <!DOCTYPE svg PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD SVG 1.0//EN"
S>     "http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/REC-SVG-20010904/DTD/svg10.dtd">

S> <svg width="375px" height="200px" viewBox="0 0 375 200">
S>         <title>Use of switch element</title>

S> <g font-size="25pt">
S> <switch>
S>
S> <g systemLanguage="en-USA">

that should be en-US by the way

S>         <text x="10" y="30">English USA</text>
S> </g>
S>
S> <g systemLanguage="en-UK">

and that should be en-GB

S>         <text x="10" y="30">English UK</text>
S> </g>

S> <g systemLanguage="en">
S>         <text x="10" y="30">English</text>
S> </g>

S> <g systemLanguage="sv">
S>       <text x="10" y="30">Svenksa</text>
S> </g>

add

<g>
   <text x="10" y="30">No language set</text>
</g>

S> </switch>
S> </g>

S> </svg>
S> ===============================================================








S>
S> Yahoo! Groups Links



S>






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  W3C Graphics Activity Lead
  Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG

I am developing buttons with multilingual support (swedish, english)
for SVGT. The idea is the

button text should adapt itself according to the locale langauage of
the mobile.

I tested this using systemLanguage feature in switch element as
follows.

<g font-size="25pt">
<switch>
     <g systemLanguage="en-UK">
         <text x="10" y="30">English.</text>
     </g>
     <g systemLanguage="sv">
         <text x="10" y="30">Svensksa.</text>
     </g>
</switch>
</g>

I used OpenWave mobile Simulator V7 who support displaying SVGT
content. Text in the appropriate language is displayed based on the
current language of mobile simulator. It works in IE too. However all
SE K750/K600/V800 only display swedish text even after setting
English as the phone language. Any thoughts!

Is it the problem with Sony Ericsson devices or the SVG player?

Below is a sample file for reference.

Regards,
Salmi


=============================================================
<!DOCTYPE svg PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD SVG 1.0//EN"
     "http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/REC-SVG-20010904/DTD/svg10.dtd">

<svg width="375px" height="200px" viewBox="0 0 375 200">
	 <title>Use of switch element</title>

<g font-size="25pt">
<switch>

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--- In SVG-Mobile@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lilley <chris@...> wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, March 28, 2006, 11:00:08 PM, Ahmed wrote:
>
>
> AS> *Authoring Tools:*
>
> AS> FL 1.1:
>
> AS> Macromedia Flash MX Professional 2004 (7.0.1) for Flash Lite 1.1
>
> AS> An update patch (.dll) file needs to be installed to test the FL
  1.1content.
>
> So, you can generate Flash Lite content from a regular Flash
authoring
> tool as well,right? And it plays on desktop Flash viewers?

[Salmi] Yes

> Is it just the one company making an authoring tool?

[Salmi] Yes! that's what I know. :)

However couple of interesting server solutions are:

Beatware Mobile Server: for generating SVGT and Flash Lite skin
wrappers on live xml data
Turbine Mobile: dynamically generates Flash Lite content by
integrating image, audio, video and database content into Flash SWF
templates.


> AS> FL 2.0:
>
> AS> Macromedia Flash MX Professional 8 for Flash Lite 1.1/2.0. An
update patch
> AS> needs to be installed to develop flash lite 1.1/2.0 content.
Author can
> AS> select the target profile (1.1/2.0) and view the expected
result on a list
> AS> of emulated devices. These device profiles can be installed as
a separate
> AS> patch to Macromedia Flash MX Professional 8.
>
>
>
> AS> *Players:  *
>
>
> AS> Flash Lite 1.1
[Salmi] Flash Lite 1.1 player supports flash lite 1.1 profile
> AS> Flash Lite 2.0
[Salmi] Flash Lite 2.0 player supports flash lite 2.0 profile
Again only macromedia sells these players... in contrast to SVGT
(ikivo player, tinyline player etc. etc.)

> Sorry - where are the players listed under those headings?
>
> AS> Developer can purchase FL1.1/2.0 player (10US $ dollars each)
against IMEI
> AS> of the device.
>
>
>
> AS> There are 86 different models (mobiles + PDA's) listed on
macromedia
> AS> website. 9 of them support FL 2.0, remaining support FL 1.0/1.1.
  In
> AS> comparison SVG is supported by 108 models (svg.org).
>
> When you say supported, do you mean they ship with it as standard,
or
> that it can be purchased as an optional end-user addition?

[Salmi] It does not necessarily means that handset is shipped with FL
player. FL player can be purchased and installed later on by the end
user. Since desktop flash player was freely available and one of the
reason of flash popularity. In contrast flash lite player is not free
(i don't know if macromedia will sell flash lite player to the
manufacturers or give them for free).

>
> AS> *Server: *
>
>
>
> AS> FlashCast is a technolig used to deliver Flash Lite
applications to
> AS> handsets. FlashCast has a client and a server application.
FlashCast client
> AS> is a flash interface which is installed on the mobile to
display flash
> AS> content using flash lite i.e. flash lite 1.1 is runtime of
FlashCast client.
> AS> FlashCast server is cluster of J2EE servers that serve as an
intermediary
> AS> between the FlashCast client application and third-party
content providers.
> AS> It ties content feeds and flash animations with device
capabilities and user
> AS> preferences to offer rich user experience
>
> So, its sending different content to different devices?

[Salmi] Yes it seems so. I did not experience it though.

> AS> Add-on to Flash Professional 8 which includes templates, design
guidelines,
> AS> a FlashCast client emulator, and a simulated local FlashCast
server system,
> AS> enabling developers to use a single tool to produce FlashCast
mobile
> AS> applications.
>
>
>
>
> *>>>  List of operator's supporting Flash Lite 1.1?
> AS> *
>
> AS> FL 1.1:
>
> AS> KDDI (FL 1.1), NTT DoCoMo (FL 1.0/1.1), VodaFone KK (FL 1.1)
>
> AS> Operators use FlashCast technology to deliver FL (1.1/2.0)
content.
>
> AS> FL 2.0:
>
> AS> No operator supports FL 2.0 till now.
>
> AS> (
> AS> http://www.macromedia.com/mobile/supported_devices/operators.
html#vodafone_kk
> AS> )
>
>
>
> AS> *Note:* It seems Flash Lite is operational mainly in Japan.
>
> Yes; worldwide, Flash Lite 1.0 only shipped on a single range of
phones
> from NTT DoCoMo.
>
>
> >>> Does every new mobile have pre-installed Flash Lite 1.1 player?
>
> AS> I am not sure about this, but I guess not.
>
> Since you listed  86 models compatible with Flash Lite 1.1 and 108
> models that ship with SVGT1.1 preinstalled, clearly the answer is "
not".
>
> AS>  I tested sample Flash Lite 1.1 &
> AS> 2.0 content on Nokia N70 (which is supposed to support FL 2.0)
but it did
> AS> not recognize the content type. However same content worked on
e.g. SE
> AS> K600/V800.
>
> You are saying that Flash Lite 1.1 content does not play on 2.0
players?
[Salmi] No. I tried with Flash Lite 2.0 content on that as well, but
it did not recognize content type. It is because N70 does not have
any pre-installed flash lite player installed on it. I need to buy
one. Otherwise 2.0 player should also render 1.1 content.


> AS> I think not every new mobile comes equipped with FL 1.1/2.0, but
> AS> FL 1.1/2.0 player can be downloaded for the models listed on
Macromedia
> AS> website (of course not for free… :).
>
> So, they don't ship with it but it has to be paid for and installed
by
> each end user?

[Salmi] They are planning to ship handsets with pre-installed FL 2.0
player in future on some selected Nokia handsets. It seems at this
time, only NTT DoCoMo i-mode handsets are shipped with Flash Lite
embedded in them. For rest of the supported handsets, developers
needs to buy (10$) Flash Lite player 2.0 for their mobiles (for some
Nokia models only).

I tried to give answers to the best of my knowledge but I may be
wrong at some places. I would like to be corrected if it so.

> AS> Regards,
> AS> Salmi
>
>
> AS> On 3/28/06, Chris Lilley <chris@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, March 28, 2006, 12:37:09 PM, Antoine wrote:
> >>
> >> AQ> Hi Salman,
> >>
> >> AQ> I'm sure others will provide additional info, but here's my
stab at
> >> AQ> answering your questions.
> >>
> >> AQ> On 28 mars 2006, at 11:39, Salman wrote:
> >>
> >> >> 1- Available SVGT content creation tools, players and server
> >> >> solutions?
> >>
> >> AQ> Authoring tools: Beatware Mobile Designer / Ikivo Animator.
It is my
> >> AQ> understanding that both these tools will see new releases to
support
> >> AQ> SVGT 1.2 once the standard is finalized.
> >>
> >> Its also possible to export SVGT1.1 from Adobe illustrator CS2.
> >>
> >> There are a number of other tools for more specialized tasks or
where
> >> finer control is needed. Because the format is open and
documented, a
> >> variety of tools can be integrated into a toolchain.
> >>
> >> AQ> Players: The leading known SVGT 1.2 players are BitFlash's
and
> >> AQ> Ikivo's, which have been demonstrated publicly. Other
vendors claim
> >> AQ> support for SVGT 1.2, for instance ACCESS with their
NetFront mobile
> >> AQ> browser, but also Korean company NeoMTel. For SVGT 1.1+, you
can also
> >> AQ> add Opera.
> >>
> >> AQ> Servers: The most successful server tool that I've seen in
action is
> >> AQ> the BitFlash document server. Beatware also offers the
Beatware
> >> AQ> Mobile Server.
> >>
> >> And its worth noting that, the document conversion services
Antoine
> >> mentioned aside, any standard Web server works out of the box.
you don't
> >> need to buy a specialized server.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Chris Lilley                    mailto:chris@...
> >> Chair, W3C SVG Working Group
> >> W3C Graphics Activity Lead
> >> Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
>
> --
>  Chris Lilley                    mailto:chris@...
>  Chair, W3C SVG Working Group
>  W3C Graphics Activity Lead
>  Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG
>

On Tuesday, March 28, 2006, 11:00:08 PM, Ahmed wrote:


AS> *Authoring Tools:*

AS> FL 1.1:

AS> Macromedia Flash MX Professional 2004 (7.0.1) for Flash Lite 1.1

AS> An update patch (.dll) file needs to be installed to test the FL 1.1content.

So, you can generate Flash Lite content from a regular Flash authoring
tool as well,right? And it plays on desktop Flash viewers?

Is it just the one company making an authoring tool?

AS> FL 2.0:

AS> Macromedia Flash MX Professional 8 for Flash Lite 1.1/2.0. An update patch
AS> needs to be installed to develop flash lite 1.1/2.0 content. Author can
AS> select the target profile (1.1/2.0) and view the expected result on a list
AS> of emulated devices. These device profiles can be installed as a separate
AS> patch to Macromedia Flash MX Professional 8.



AS> *Players:  *


AS> Flash Lite 1.1

AS> Flash Lite 2.0


Sorry - where are the players listed under those headings?

AS> Developer can purchase FL1.1/2.0 player (10US $ dollars each) against IMEI
AS> of the device.



AS> There are 86 different models (mobiles + PDA's) listed on macromedia
AS> website. 9 of them support FL 2.0, remaining support FL 1.0/1.1. In
AS> comparison SVG is supported by 108 models (svg.org).

When you say supported, do you mean they ship with it as standard, or
that it can be purchased as an optional end-user addition?


AS> *Server: *



AS> FlashCast is a technolig used to deliver Flash Lite applications to
AS> handsets. FlashCast has a client and a server application. FlashCast client
AS> is a flash interface which is installed on the mobile to display flash
AS> content using flash lite i.e. flash lite 1.1 is runtime of FlashCast client.
AS> FlashCast server is cluster of J2EE servers that serve as an intermediary
AS> between the FlashCast client application and third-party content providers.
AS> It ties content feeds and flash animations with device capabilities and user
AS> preferences to offer rich user experience

So, its sending different content to different devices?

AS> Add-on to Flash Professional 8 which includes templates, design guidelines,
AS> a FlashCast client emulator, and a simulated local FlashCast server system,
AS> enabling developers to use a single tool to produce FlashCast mobile
AS> applications.




*>>>  List of operator's supporting Flash Lite 1.1?
AS> *

AS> FL 1.1:

AS> KDDI (FL 1.1), NTT DoCoMo (FL 1.0/1.1), VodaFone KK (FL 1.1)

AS> Operators use FlashCast technology to deliver FL (1.1/2.0) content.

AS> FL 2.0:

AS> No operator supports FL 2.0 till now.

AS> (
AS>
http://www.macromedia.com/mobile/supported_devices/operators.html#vodafone_kk
AS> )



AS> *Note:* It seems Flash Lite is operational mainly in Japan.

Yes; worldwide, Flash Lite 1.0 only shipped on a single range of phones
from NTT DoCoMo.


>>> Does every new mobile have pre-installed Flash Lite 1.1 player?

AS> I am not sure about this, but I guess not.

Since you listed  86 models compatible with Flash Lite 1.1 and 108
models that ship with SVGT1.1 preinstalled, clearly the answer is "not".

AS>  I tested sample Flash Lite 1.1 &
AS> 2.0 content on Nokia N70 (which is supposed to support FL 2.0) but it did
AS> not recognize the content type. However same content worked on e.g. SE
AS> K600/V800.

You are saying that Flash Lite 1.1 content does not play on 2.0 players?

AS> I think not every new mobile comes equipped with FL 1.1/2.0, but
AS> FL 1.1/2.0 player can be downloaded for the models listed on Macromedia
AS> website (of course not for free… :).

So, they don't ship with it but it has to be paid for and installed by
each end user?

AS> Regards,
AS> Salmi


AS> On 3/28/06, Chris Lilley <chris@...> wrote:
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 28, 2006, 12:37:09 PM, Antoine wrote:
>>
>> AQ> Hi Salman,
>>
>> AQ> I'm sure others will provide additional info, but here's my stab at
>> AQ> answering your questions.
>>
>> AQ> On 28 mars 2006, at 11:39, Salman wrote:
>>
>> >> 1- Available SVGT content creation tools, players and server
>> >> solutions?
>>
>> AQ> Authoring tools: Beatware Mobile Designer / Ikivo Animator. It is my
>> AQ> understanding that both these tools will see new releases to support
>> AQ> SVGT 1.2 once the standard is finalized.
>>
>> Its also possible to export SVGT1.1 from Adobe illustrator CS2.
>>
>> There are a number of other tools for more specialized tasks or where
>> finer control is needed. Because the format is open and documented, a
>> variety of tools can be integrated into a toolchain.
>>
>> AQ> Players: The leading known SVGT 1.2 players are BitFlash's and
>> AQ> Ikivo's, which have been demonstrated publicly. Other vendors claim
>> AQ> support for SVGT 1.2, for instance ACCESS with their NetFront mobile
>> AQ> browser, but also Korean company NeoMTel. For SVGT 1.1+, you can also
>> AQ> add Opera.
>>
>> AQ> Servers: The most successful server tool that I've seen in action is
>> AQ> the BitFlash document server. Beatware also offers the Beatware
>> AQ> Mobile Server.
>>
>> And its worth noting that, the document conversion services Antoine
>> mentioned aside, any standard Web server works out of the box. you don't
>> need to buy a specialized server.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Chris Lilley                    mailto:chris@...
>> Chair, W3C SVG Working Group
>> W3C Graphics Activity Lead
>> Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>




--
  Chris Lilley                    mailto:chris@...
  Chair, W3C SVG Working Group
  W3C Graphics Activity Lead
  Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG