On Tuesday, March 28, 2006, 11:00:08 PM, Ahmed wrote:


AS> *Authoring Tools:*

AS> FL 1.1:

AS> Macromedia Flash MX Professional 2004 (7.0.1) for Flash Lite 1.1

AS> An update patch (.dll) file needs to be installed to test the FL 1.1content.

So, you can generate Flash Lite content from a regular Flash authoring
tool as well,right? And it plays on desktop Flash viewers?

Is it just the one company making an authoring tool?

AS> FL 2.0:

AS> Macromedia Flash MX Professional 8 for Flash Lite 1.1/2.0. An update patch
AS> needs to be installed to develop flash lite 1.1/2.0 content. Author can
AS> select the target profile (1.1/2.0) and view the expected result on a list
AS> of emulated devices. These device profiles can be installed as a separate
AS> patch to Macromedia Flash MX Professional 8.



AS> *Players:  *


AS> Flash Lite 1.1

AS> Flash Lite 2.0


Sorry - where are the players listed under those headings?

AS> Developer can purchase FL1.1/2.0 player (10US $ dollars each) against IMEI
AS> of the device.



AS> There are 86 different models (mobiles + PDA's) listed on macromedia
AS> website. 9 of them support FL 2.0, remaining support FL 1.0/1.1. In
AS> comparison SVG is supported by 108 models (svg.org).

When you say supported, do you mean they ship with it as standard, or
that it can be purchased as an optional end-user addition?


AS> *Server: *



AS> FlashCast is a technolig used to deliver Flash Lite applications to
AS> handsets. FlashCast has a client and a server application. FlashCast client
AS> is a flash interface which is installed on the mobile to display flash
AS> content using flash lite i.e. flash lite 1.1 is runtime of FlashCast client.
AS> FlashCast server is cluster of J2EE servers that serve as an intermediary
AS> between the FlashCast client application and third-party content providers.
AS> It ties content feeds and flash animations with device capabilities and user
AS> preferences to offer rich user experience

So, its sending different content to different devices?

AS> Add-on to Flash Professional 8 which includes templates, design guidelines,
AS> a FlashCast client emulator, and a simulated local FlashCast server system,
AS> enabling developers to use a single tool to produce FlashCast mobile
AS> applications.




*>>>  List of operator's supporting Flash Lite 1.1?
AS> *

AS> FL 1.1:

AS> KDDI (FL 1.1), NTT DoCoMo (FL 1.0/1.1), VodaFone KK (FL 1.1)

AS> Operators use FlashCast technology to deliver FL (1.1/2.0) content.

AS> FL 2.0:

AS> No operator supports FL 2.0 till now.

AS> (
AS>
http://www.macromedia.com/mobile/supported_devices/operators.html#vodafone_kk
AS> )



AS> *Note:* It seems Flash Lite is operational mainly in Japan.

Yes; worldwide, Flash Lite 1.0 only shipped on a single range of phones
from NTT DoCoMo.


>>> Does every new mobile have pre-installed Flash Lite 1.1 player?

AS> I am not sure about this, but I guess not.

Since you listed  86 models compatible with Flash Lite 1.1 and 108
models that ship with SVGT1.1 preinstalled, clearly the answer is "not".

AS>  I tested sample Flash Lite 1.1 &
AS> 2.0 content on Nokia N70 (which is supposed to support FL 2.0) but it did
AS> not recognize the content type. However same content worked on e.g. SE
AS> K600/V800.

You are saying that Flash Lite 1.1 content does not play on 2.0 players?

AS> I think not every new mobile comes equipped with FL 1.1/2.0, but
AS> FL 1.1/2.0 player can be downloaded for the models listed on Macromedia
AS> website (of course not for free… :).

So, they don't ship with it but it has to be paid for and installed by
each end user?

AS> Regards,
AS> Salmi


AS> On 3/28/06, Chris Lilley <chris@...> wrote:
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 28, 2006, 12:37:09 PM, Antoine wrote:
>>
>> AQ> Hi Salman,
>>
>> AQ> I'm sure others will provide additional info, but here's my stab at
>> AQ> answering your questions.
>>
>> AQ> On 28 mars 2006, at 11:39, Salman wrote:
>>
>> >> 1- Available SVGT content creation tools, players and server
>> >> solutions?
>>
>> AQ> Authoring tools: Beatware Mobile Designer / Ikivo Animator. It is my
>> AQ> understanding that both these tools will see new releases to support
>> AQ> SVGT 1.2 once the standard is finalized.
>>
>> Its also possible to export SVGT1.1 from Adobe illustrator CS2.
>>
>> There are a number of other tools for more specialized tasks or where
>> finer control is needed. Because the format is open and documented, a
>> variety of tools can be integrated into a toolchain.
>>
>> AQ> Players: The leading known SVGT 1.2 players are BitFlash's and
>> AQ> Ikivo's, which have been demonstrated publicly. Other vendors claim
>> AQ> support for SVGT 1.2, for instance ACCESS with their NetFront mobile
>> AQ> browser, but also Korean company NeoMTel. For SVGT 1.1+, you can also
>> AQ> add Opera.
>>
>> AQ> Servers: The most successful server tool that I've seen in action is
>> AQ> the BitFlash document server. Beatware also offers the Beatware
>> AQ> Mobile Server.
>>
>> And its worth noting that, the document conversion services Antoine
>> mentioned aside, any standard Web server works out of the box. you don't
>> need to buy a specialized server.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Chris Lilley                    mailto:chris@...
>> Chair, W3C SVG Working Group
>> W3C Graphics Activity Lead
>> Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>




--
  Chris Lilley                    mailto:chris@...
  Chair, W3C SVG Working Group
  W3C Graphics Activity Lead
  Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG

On Tuesday, March 28, 2006, 12:37:09 PM, Antoine wrote:

AQ> Hi Salman,

AQ> I'm sure others will provide additional info, but here's my stab at
AQ> answering your questions.

AQ> On 28 mars 2006, at 11:39, Salman wrote:

>> 1- Available SVGT content creation tools, players and server
>> solutions?

AQ> Authoring tools: Beatware Mobile Designer / Ikivo Animator. It is my
AQ> understanding that both these tools will see new releases to support
AQ> SVGT 1.2 once the standard is finalized.

Its also possible to export SVGT1.1 from Adobe illustrator CS2.

There are a number of other tools for more specialized tasks or where
finer control is needed. Because the format is open and documented, a
variety of tools can be integrated into a toolchain.

AQ> Players: The leading known SVGT 1.2 players are BitFlash's and
AQ> Ikivo's, which have been demonstrated publicly. Other vendors claim
AQ> support for SVGT 1.2, for instance ACCESS with their NetFront mobile
AQ> browser, but also Korean company NeoMTel. For SVGT 1.1+, you can also
AQ> add Opera.

AQ> Servers: The most successful server tool that I've seen in action is
AQ> the BitFlash document server. Beatware also offers the Beatware
AQ> Mobile Server.

And its worth noting that, the document conversion services Antoine
mentioned aside, any standard Web server works out of the box. you don't
need to buy a specialized server.


--
  Chris Lilley                    mailto:chris@...
  Chair, W3C SVG Working Group
  W3C Graphics Activity Lead
  Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG

On Tuesday, March 28, 2006, 5:21:59 PM, Salman wrote:

S> Hi Antonio!

S> Thanks a lot for too the point information.

>> > 4- does every new mobile have pre-installed SVGT player?
>>
>> Not every, but many, many orders of magnitudes more than Flash Lite.

S> [Salmi] I heard that 3GPP announced SVGT as a default standard for
S> MMS. Does it mean that every new mobile should come with pre-
S> installed SVGT player to view MMS?

That was a while ago, but yes. Every mobile phone that supports 3GPP Rel
5 MMS will have SVGT1.1 support.

S>  otherwise how someone can view MMS.

By only supporting releases 4, 3, 2 or 1 :)

S> And as for as I know Flash Lite player supports rendering SVGT
S> content

Optionally, Flash Lite 1.1 can include SVG Tiny 1.1 support,  yes.

S> i.e. every mobile supporting flash lite also support SVGT
No, not necessarily.

S> Is there any use cases available for comparing same content
S> application/image/animation in SVGT and Flash Lite? (I saw ur article
S> to compare svg and flash animation on xml.com).

That is difficult to do in practice, because the authoring format for
Flash is undocumented and the distribution format has already had things
like shape morphs split up into lots of similar shapes, ie frame-based
animation. Tools do exist to do swf to svg conversion, which mainly
shows that if you were authoring the same content in svg you would not
author it like the converter did....


S> What happens if SVG content for desktop is viewed on the mobile
S> phones. Mobile SVG players are intelligent enough to filter the non-
S> supported SVG elements/attributes? (I tried ur website on my SE K750i,
S>  page layout is changed. SVG animations at left side became at the
S> top.) If Mobile svg player does not perform the filtering of SVG
S> content reliably then a stylesheet may work as an additional step
S> between SVG page and mobile phone for filtering non-supported SVG
S> elements/attributes(I am working on it).

Some filtering can be useful- although te Tiny player will ignore Full
elements and attributes, there is no sense sending a large amount of
content that will be ignored.

Note though that SVG content for mobile views correctly on the desktop
(which may seem obvious but not all technologies are like that).

S> I am throwing a lot of questions at once, hope your keyboard will not
S> mind :)...

I would be interested to see the answers to your own questions, but for
Flash Lite 1.1 (and 2.0, but separately).

1- Available Flash Lite 1.1 content creation tools, players and server
solutions?
2- Level of support by the above vendors? I may be wrong but the
general impression among my colleagues is "Flash Lite has better tool
support and good technical help".
3- list of operator's supporting Flash Lite 1.1?
4- does every new mobile have pre-installed Flash Lite 1.1 player?


--
  Chris Lilley                    mailto:chris@...
  Chair, W3C SVG Working Group
  W3C Graphics Activity Lead
  Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG

On 28 mars 2006, at 17:21, Salman wrote:

> [Salmi] I heard that 3GPP announced SVGT as a default standard for
> MMS. Does it mean that every new mobile should come with pre-
> installed SVGT player to view MMS? otherwise how someone can view MMS.

I think SVGT is optional in MMS.

> And as for as I know Flash Lite player supports rendering SVGT
> content i.e. every mobile supporting flash lite also support SVGT but
> vice versa may or may not be true.

The SVG part of Flash Lite is optional, and as far as I know, none of
the Flash Lite licensees have shipped it.

> Is there any use cases available for comparing same content
> application/image/animation in SVGT and Flash Lite? (I saw ur article
> to compare svg and flash animation on xml.com).

  From my point of view, there is little merit in comparing SVGT and
Flash Lite technologically speaking. I believe it is mostly a
business decision.

> What happens if SVG content for desktop is viewed on the mobile
> phones. Mobile SVG players are intelligent enough to filter the non-
> supported SVG elements/attributes? (I tried ur website on my SE K750i,
>  page layout is changed. SVG animations at left side became at the
> top.) If Mobile svg player does not perform the filtering of SVG
> content reliably then a stylesheet may work as an additional step
> between SVG page and mobile phone for filtering non-supported SVG
> elements/attributes(I am working on it).

Mobile SVG user agents will display SVG Tiny content just fine, but
if the content is authored in SVG Full, then depending on how your
content is authored, the result will vary.

Antoine
--
Antoine Quint — Fuchsia Design
SVG & Client-side XML Consulting
W3C SVG WG Invited Expert
http://fuchsia-design.com

Hi Antonio!

Thanks a lot for too the point information.

> > 4- does every new mobile have pre-installed SVGT player?
>
> Not every, but many, many orders of magnitudes more than Flash Lite.

[Salmi] I heard that 3GPP announced SVGT as a default standard for
MMS. Does it mean that every new mobile should come with pre-
installed SVGT player to view MMS? otherwise how someone can view MMS.
And as for as I know Flash Lite player supports rendering SVGT
content i.e. every mobile supporting flash lite also support SVGT but
vice versa may or may not be true.

Is there any use cases available for comparing same content
application/image/animation in SVGT and Flash Lite? (I saw ur article
to compare svg and flash animation on xml.com).

What happens if SVG content for desktop is viewed on the mobile
phones. Mobile SVG players are intelligent enough to filter the non-
supported SVG elements/attributes? (I tried ur website on my SE K750i,
  page layout is changed. SVG animations at left side became at the
top.) If Mobile svg player does not perform the filtering of SVG
content reliably then a stylesheet may work as an additional step
between SVG page and mobile phone for filtering non-supported SVG
elements/attributes(I am working on it).

I am throwing a lot of questions at once, hope your keyboard will not
mind :)...

Regards,
Salmi

--- In SVG-Mobile@yahoogroups.com, Antoine Quint <ml@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Salman,
>
> I'm sure others will provide additional info, but here's my stab at

> answering your questions.
>
> On 28 mars 2006, at 11:39, Salman wrote:
>
> > 1- Available SVGT content creation tools, players and server
> > solutions?
>
> Authoring tools: Beatware Mobile Designer / Ikivo Animator. It is my

> understanding that both these tools will see new releases to support

> SVGT 1.2 once the standard is finalized.
>
> Players: The leading known SVGT 1.2 players are BitFlash's and
> Ikivo's, which have been demonstrated publicly. Other vendors claim

> support for SVGT 1.2, for instance ACCESS with their NetFront mobile

> browser, but also Korean company NeoMTel. For SVGT 1.1+, you can
also
> add Opera.
>
> Servers: The most successful server tool that I've seen in action is

> the BitFlash document server. Beatware also offers the Beatware
> Mobile Server.
>
> > 2- Level of support by the above vendors? I may be wrong but the
> > general impression among my colleagues is "Flash Lite has better
tool
> > support and good technical help".
>
> I'll let Marc Verstaen elaborate on this particular topic, but the
> short version is "no, Flash Lite does not have better tool support".
>
> > 3- list of operator's supporting SVGT?
>
> Vodafone, Orange, 3, TIM, Telefonica, KDDI/Au, NTT DoCoMo, I may be

> missing some.
>
> > 4- does every new mobile have pre-installed SVGT player?
>
> Not every, but many, many orders of magnitudes more than Flash Lite.
>
> Antoine
> --
> Antoine Quint — Fuchsia Design
> SVG & Client-side XML Consulting
> W3C SVG WG Invited Expert
> http://fuchsia-design.com
>

Hi Salman,

I'm sure others will provide additional info, but here's my stab at
answering your questions.

On 28 mars 2006, at 11:39, Salman wrote:

> 1- Available SVGT content creation tools, players and server
> solutions?

Authoring tools: Beatware Mobile Designer / Ikivo Animator. It is my
understanding that both these tools will see new releases to support
SVGT 1.2 once the standard is finalized.

Players: The leading known SVGT 1.2 players are BitFlash's and
Ikivo's, which have been demonstrated publicly. Other vendors claim
support for SVGT 1.2, for instance ACCESS with their NetFront mobile
browser, but also Korean company NeoMTel. For SVGT 1.1+, you can also
add Opera.

Servers: The most successful server tool that I've seen in action is
the BitFlash document server. Beatware also offers the Beatware
Mobile Server.

> 2- Level of support by the above vendors? I may be wrong but the
> general impression among my colleagues is "Flash Lite has better tool
> support and good technical help".

I'll let Marc Verstaen elaborate on this particular topic, but the
short version is "no, Flash Lite does not have better tool support".

> 3- list of operator's supporting SVGT?

Vodafone, Orange, 3, TIM, Telefonica, KDDI/Au, NTT DoCoMo, I may be
missing some.

> 4- does every new mobile have pre-installed SVGT player?

Not every, but many, many orders of magnitudes more than Flash Lite.

Antoine
--
Antoine Quint — Fuchsia Design
SVG & Client-side XML Consulting
W3C SVG WG Invited Expert
http://fuchsia-design.com

Hi!

I am writing a proposal for a project to compare SVGT 1.2 and Flash
Lite 2.0. I will be glad if someone could help me about following
queries.

1- Available SVGT content creation tools, players and server
solutions?
2- Level of support by the above vendors? I may be wrong but the
general impression among my colleagues is "Flash Lite has better tool
support and good technical help".
3- list of operator's supporting SVGT?
4- does every new mobile have pre-installed SVGT player?

I will appreciate your help in this regard!

Regards,
Salmi

Hi!

I am writing a proposal for a project to compare SVGT 1.2 and Flash
Lite 2.0. I will be glad if someone could help me about following
queries.

1- Available SVGT content creation tools, players and server
solutions?
2- Level of support by the above vendors? I may be wrong but the
general impression among my colleagues is "Flash Lite has better tool
support and good technical help".
3- list of operator's supporting SVGT?
4- does every new mobile have pre-installed SVGT player?

I will appreciate your help in this regard!

Regards,
Salmi

This second release introduces the performance improvement of the
1.10 version. The significant improvement of performance is about
the events loop and I want to thank Marcel for his idea and Daniel
for testing the second release. I encourage everyone who downloaded
the first release (before March 23) to update it to the second one.
See more details at http://www.tinyline.com

TinyLine SVG Toolkit is set of SVG Tiny Players and SDKs.
It runs on various Java flavors: J2ME MIDP2.0, J2ME Personal
Profile, and J2SE.
http://www.tinyline.com/svgt/download/index.html

The online W3C SVG Tiny Test Suite using TinyLine now includes
Opacity and Gradients tests.

http://www.tinyline.com/svgt/samples/tiny_test/index.html#sec-
opacity

Applications programmers could be interested in the TinyLine SDK
v1.10 API Specification
http://www.tinyline.com/svgt/download/docs/index.html

and the Programmers Guide to TinyLine SVG API.
http://www.tinyline.com/svgt/download/guide/index.html


Thanks for your continued interest and support!

Andrew Girow,
http://www.tinyline.com

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Hi Chris,

Thanks for the reply..

We want to try this out on a TV Platform with 166 MHz
mips processor/Operating sys- Vx Works.

As you have mentioned in the mail regarding SVG
implementations exposing C api's. Can you please tell
if there are any SVG engines of this type
available(open source).

Best regards
Satish


--- Chris Lilley <chris@...> wrote:

> On Sunday, March 19, 2006, 6:13:56 AM, satish wrote:
>
> s> Hi All,
> s> Im a newbie to this group.
> s> Im currently working on a UI engine which is
> developed in C language.
> s> It supports a very strog control behavior which
> mkes the life of
> s> application developers easy.
> s> Now, we are currently analysing whether we can
> integrate SVG engine
> s> (Mainly for rendering) with our UI engine( for
> controlling the UI).
>
> Sounds like a good idea. Makes it very easy to
> design and to modify the
> UI.
>
> s> My question is how easy/difficult will it be to
> interact with an Svg
> s> engine if our development environment is in C.
>
> No problem, you just need an SVG implementation that
> exposes a C api.
>
> What platform are you developing on?
>
> --
>  Chris Lilley                    mailto:chris@...
>  Chair, W3C SVG Working Group
>  W3C Graphics Activity Lead
>  Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG
>
>


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On Sunday, March 19, 2006, 6:13:56 AM, satish wrote:

s> Hi All,
s> Im a newbie to this group.
s> Im currently working on a UI engine which is developed in C language.
s> It supports a very strog control behavior which mkes the life of
s> application developers easy.
s> Now, we are currently analysing whether we can integrate SVG engine
s> (Mainly for rendering) with our UI engine( for controlling the UI).

Sounds like a good idea. Makes it very easy to design and to modify the
UI.

s> My question is how easy/difficult will it be to interact with an Svg
s> engine if our development environment is in C.

No problem, you just need an SVG implementation that exposes a C api.

What platform are you developing on?

--
  Chris Lilley                    mailto:chris@...
  Chair, W3C SVG Working Group
  W3C Graphics Activity Lead
  Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG

Hi All,
Im a newbie to this group.
Im currently working on a UI engine which is developed in C language.
It supports a very strog control behavior which mkes the life of
application developers easy.
Now, we are currently analysing whether we can integrate SVG engine
(Mainly for rendering) with our UI engine( for controlling the UI).
My question is how easy/difficult will it be to interact with an Svg
engine if our development environment is in C.
If anyone has already analysed about this, Please let me know.

Thanks & Regards
Satish

Hi Marc!

First of all, thanks for the response. Actually what I am doing is,
writing an XSL style sheet for transforming SVG 1.1 into SVGT
1.1/1.1+ content. As for as I know SVG 1.2 is still not finalized
and so as SVGT 1.2. Similarly flash lite 2.0 is also not supported
by any mobile yet
(http://www.macromedia.com/mobile/supported_devices/handsets.html).

So in my opinion, SVGT 1.1 can be comapred with Flash Lite 1.1 and
SVGT 1.2 with Flash Lite 2.0 (since both are new technologies).

Regards,
Salmi



--- In SVG-Mobile@yahoogroups.com, "Marc Verstaen" <marc@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Salmi,
>
>
>
> This is a very interesting question. But before starting to
elaborate an
> answer, I will start with another question. Which versions do you
want to
> compare? SVG-T 1.1 or 1.2? FlashLite 1.1 or 2.0? It makes a big
difference.
>
>
>
> Marc
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: SVG-Mobile@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SVG-
Mobile@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Salman
> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 2:13 PM
> To: SVG-Mobile@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [SVG-Mobile] SVGT vs. Flash Lite!
>
>
>
> Hi!
>
> I am researching on SVGT and Flash Lite and I have some general
> questios regarding that. I will really appreciate your input in
this
> reagard.
>
> how can we compare SVGT and Flash lite both from technical and
> market point of view?
>
> As flash lite content becoming popular in Japan (NTT DoCoMo).
Apart
> from proprietry issue, as an operator, which one is better and
why?
> Both (SVGT and Flash Lite) claim to create MMS, mobile UI design,
> mobile web publishing applications.
>
> Is there any sample content (in SVGT and Flash Lite) avaialable
> which could be helpful for comparing the two?
>
> Pointers to helpful documentation are very much welcome.
>
> Thanks for your help in advance!
>
> Salmi!
>
>
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Hi!

I am researching on SVGT and Flash Lite and I have some general
questios regarding that. I will really appreciate your input in this
reagard.

how can we compare SVGT and Flash lite both from technical and
market point of view?

As flash lite content becoming popular in Japan (NTT DoCoMo). Apart
from proprietry issue, as an operator, which one is better and why?
Both (SVGT and Flash Lite) claim to create MMS, mobile UI design,
mobile web publishing applications.

Is there any sample content (in SVGT and Flash Lite) avaialable
which could be helpful for comparing the two?

Pointers to helpful documentation are very much welcome.

Thanks for your help in advance!

Salmi!

TinyLine SVG Toolkit 1.10 introduces the Gradients and Opacity
support for
its SVG Tiny rendering engine for Java platform.

See more details at http://www.tinyline.com

TinyLine SVG Toolkit is set of SVG Tiny Players and SDKs.
It runs on various Java flavors: J2ME MIDP2.0, J2ME Personal
Profile, and J2SE.
http://www.tinyline.com/svgt/download/index.html

The online W3C SVG Tiny Test Suite using TinyLine now includes
Opacity and Gradients tests.

http://www.tinyline.com/svgt/samples/tiny_test/index.html#sec-opacity

Applications programmers could be interested in the TinyLine SDK
v1.10 API Specification
http://www.tinyline.com/svgt/download/docs/index.html

and the Programmers Guide to TinyLine SVG API.
http://www.tinyline.com/svgt/download/guide/index.html


Thanks for your continued interest and support!

Andrew Girow,
http://www.tinyline.com

--- In SVG-Mobile@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lilley <chris@...> wrote:
>
> On Saturday, February 11, 2006, 1:08:13 PM, andrewgirow wrote:
>
> a> Hi folks,
>
> a> Please take a look at the SDK
>
> a> http://www.tinyline.com/svgt/download/current/tinylinemidp.zip
>
> a> OR the player
>
> a> http://www.tinyline.com/svgt/download/current/tinylinemidp.jad
> a> http://www.tinyline.com/svgt/download/current/tinylinemidp.jar
>
>
> a> This is a Prerelease of the coming TinyLine SVG version 1.10
that
> a> introduces SVG Tiny 1.1 plus features: Gradients and Opacity.
>
> a> Differences from SVG Full Gradients:
> a> 1. TinyLine does not support "xlink:href" that allows chain of
> a> gradients definitions.
>
>
> a> 2. TinyLine does not support percent values for gradients
> a> attributes.
>
> Does it support the same gradient features as SVG Tiny 1.2, or
different ones?
>
> http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/painting.html#Gradients
>
>
>
> --
>  Chris Lilley                    mailto:chris@...
>  Chair, W3C SVG Working Group
>  W3C Graphics Activity Lead
>  Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG
>

It supports the same gradient features as it defined at SVG Tiny 1.2

http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/painting.html#Gradients

Best,
Andrew

On Saturday, February 11, 2006, 1:08:13 PM, andrewgirow wrote:

a> Hi folks,

a> Please take a look at the SDK

a> http://www.tinyline.com/svgt/download/current/tinylinemidp.zip

a> OR the player

a> http://www.tinyline.com/svgt/download/current/tinylinemidp.jad
a> http://www.tinyline.com/svgt/download/current/tinylinemidp.jar


a> This is a Prerelease of the coming TinyLine SVG version 1.10 that
a> introduces SVG Tiny 1.1 plus features: Gradients and Opacity.

a> Differences from SVG Full Gradients:
a> 1. TinyLine does not support "xlink:href" that allows chain of
a> gradients definitions.


a> 2. TinyLine does not support percent values for gradients
a> attributes.

Does it support the same gradient features as SVG Tiny 1.2, or different ones?

http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/painting.html#Gradients



--
  Chris Lilley                    mailto:chris@...
  Chair, W3C SVG Working Group
  W3C Graphics Activity Lead
  Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG

Hi folks,

Please take a look at the SDK

http://www.tinyline.com/svgt/download/current/tinylinemidp.zip

OR the player

http://www.tinyline.com/svgt/download/current/tinylinemidp.jad
http://www.tinyline.com/svgt/download/current/tinylinemidp.jar


This is a Prerelease of the coming TinyLine SVG version 1.10 that
introduces SVG Tiny 1.1 plus features: Gradients and Opacity.

Differences from SVG Full Gradients:
1. TinyLine does not support "xlink:href" that allows chain of
gradients definitions.
2. TinyLine does not support percent values for gradients
attributes.

I am looking forward for your feedback.


Thanks,
Andrew Girow
http://www.tinyline.com

Hi all,

I put together a framework for visualizing server-generated data on the major
desktop svg browsers, and am looking to see what mobile frameworks support
svg and ajax-like behavior (javascript calls via xmlhttprequest or getURL)

Does anyone know of any mobile platforms which support  javascript and svg
together (basically, SVGT1.2)? I am not specifically asking about phone
devices, but am also interested in palmOS, embedded linux, or other handheld
computers. The basic question is, what portable devices handle fill SVG or
SVGT1.2-like behaviour?

I wish to render this type of data-driven image on the mobiles:
http://roitsystems.com/SVG-Widgets/tacktick/t111.svg

Cheers,

Ronan
--
Ronan Oger
Director
RO IT Systems GmbH
	 ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001

http://www.roitsystems.com

On Friday, December 16, 2005, 7:09:45 PM, Marc wrote:

MV> The Flash Lite viewer obviously took control of your SVG mime type
MV> settings and deleting the viewer didn?t restore them.

MV> By the way, this is a real problem because is you don?t know how to
MV> reset these settings, installing the Flash viewer will screw the SVG
MV> viewer. Not really nice?

I have had that problem - installing the Ikivo viewer, it worked until
the phone was rebooted and then Flash Lite (which was installed before
Ikivo) took control of the svg media type again. I had to uninstall
flash lite to allow Ikivo to work reliably.

--
  Chris Lilley                    mailto:chris@...
  Chair, W3C SVG Working Group
  W3C Graphics Activity Lead
  Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG

On Dec 16, 2005, at 16:56, Laurent T. wrote:
> Sorry, but I only have the following message: "Problem with
> content: 3"

That's a familiar message, see:

    http://svg.org/story/2004/12/13/165536/63

The chances are therefore high that the SVG Tiny implementation on
the N70 is Flash Lite 1.1.

> Your friend should have installed a specific application in order to
> render SVG T content on the Nokia N70...

No, it really looks like you have what it takes to read SVG Tiny, but
that the player is failing to read your file. This could be because
the content is broken or because the player is broken. Can you show
us the document?

> Anybody knows what should be installed in order to render SVGT?

You could also try Tinyline.

--
Robin Berjon
     Senior Research Scientist
     Expway, http://expway.com/

This is kind of a problem, imho.

<rant>
I just picked up a Nokia 9300 communicator believing the PR which said that it
supports SVG, and was surprised/dismayed to see that whereas it may be able
to show svg somehow on the box, it is certainly not configured to show
web-based svg documents. There may be some obscure trick to get this to work,
but I gave up after an hour of searching and hunting. Most likely, I need to
download a browser. And here lies the problem again. Just try to find an SVG
browser online for Nokia (model X). For mine, no luck here.

Luckily I can build my own browser or download a java viewer, but as far as
consumer experiences go, this looked to be a total flop to me so far. The
installation ease I expected was simply not there.

There seems to be some confusion about the difference between phones with (a)
native applications that use SVG files to render their own content and (b)
phones that provide SVG browsing capabilities. In our rush to highlight
*potential compatibility*, we tend to overlook *actual support*.

In my opinion, calling a phone which meets condition (a) above an SVG-enabled
phone is misleading at best. In fact, the nature of an application's
rendering mechanism is totally irrelevant and does not qualify the device as
an SVG-enabled device.

I would be quite interested in knowing how many mobiles come out of the box
with the ability to browse svg content online.

My sunrise phone certainly did not. It is a symbian 80 device and is
compatible with svg browser apps. But to say the phone is an svg-enabled
phone is totally misleading. It is like saying a phone is quake-enabled (if
you buy the quake software and install it onto your phone, which is generally
out of reach of most users).

When a phone says it is java enabled, it means it runs java applications. When
we say a phone is svg enabled, it should be able to render svg content or svg
files out of the box.
</rant>

Cheers,

Ronan

On Thursday 15 December 2005 16:56, Antoine Quint wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 15 déc. 2005, at 17:53, Laurent T. wrote:
> > The  <http://www.svg.org/> www.svg.org website shows the Nokia N70
> > as < SVG
> > Tiny 1.1 > compliant device.
> >
> > I've bought this device from Orange in France. but it doesn't seems
> > to have
> > any support
>
> My friend has an N70 from Orange and SVG works fine within the
> browser. SVG is actually used within the several animated tutorials
> that are on the device to teach you how to use the phone.
>
> Antoine

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Director
RO IT Systems GmbH
	 ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001

Direct: +41 76 527 3552
Fax: +41 44 274 2402

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Director
RO IT Systems GmbH
	 ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001

http://www.roitsystems.com