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Re: Dr Hal E Puthoff weighs in on Zero Point Energy for deep space   Message List  
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Victor

Please circulate my rebuttal of this disinformation you sent out to
your list.

On Apr 12, 2004, at 12:31 AM, Victor Martinez wrote:

> www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=663
>
> www.earthtech.org
>
> www.ldolphin.org/hill.html
>
> www.quantumfields.com
>
> www.sciencedirect.com
>
> TO THE STARS: ONE OF AMERICA's LEADING THEORETICAL PHYSICISTS AND
> EXPERTS WEIGHS IN ON 'ZERO POINT ENERGY' FOR AEROSPACE VEHICLE
> PROPULSION / ZERO POINT ENERGY EMERGES FROM REALM OF SCIENCE FICTION /
> MAY BE KEY TO DEEP-SPACE TRAVEL! –
> By William B Scott, Austin, TX, Aviation Week & Space Technology, March
> 1, 2004 edition / Posted on Wednesday, March 10, 2004 18:45:31 PST
>
> [Overtone writes: Aviation Week & Space Technology March 1, 2004, pp.
> 50-53.
> Note: The article below has been edited and shortened to highlight
> energy conversion, rather than space propulsion.
> Zero point energy emerges from realm of science fiction. Comment and
> reviews follow.]
>
> At least two large aerospace companies and one U.S. Defense Dept.
> agency
> are betting that "zero point energy" could be the next breakthrough in
> aerospace, and are backing those bets with seed money for ZPE research.
>
> If their efforts pay off, ZPE-driven powerplants might enable Mach 4
> fighters, quiet 1,200-seat hypersonic airliners that fly at 100-mi.
> altitudes as far as 12,000 mi. in about 70 min., and 12.6-hr. trips to
> the Moon.
>
> ONE OF THOSE companies, BAE Systems, launched "PROJECT GREENGLOW" in
> 1986 "to provide a focus for research into novel propulsion systems and
> the means to power them," said R.A. Evans, the project leader, in a
> technical paper last year.
>
> At least one large U.S. aerospace company is embarking on ZPE research
> in response to a Defense Dept. request, but the company and its
> customer
> cannot be identified yet. National laboratories, the military services
> and other companies either now have or have had low-level ZPE-related
> efforts underway.
>
> The concept of zero point energy is rooted in quantum theory, and is
> difficult for even the technically minded to grasp. But theories
> validated by meticulous experiments have confirmed that so-called
> "empty
> space" or what scientists call the "quantum vacuum" actually is teeming
> with activity. Tiny electromagnetic fields continuously fluctuate
> around
> their "zero-baseline" values, even when the temperature drops to
> absolute zero (0 K) and all thermal effects have ceased.
>
> A LEADING RESEARCHER in this realm of new physics, HAL E. PUTHOFF,
> director of the Institute for Advanced Studies (at Austin), explains
> zero point energy this way:
>
> "When you get down to the tiniest quantum levels, everything's always
> 'jiggly.' Nothing is completely still, even at absolute zero. That's
> why
> it's called 'zero point energy,' because, if you were to cool the
> universe down to absolute zero – where all thermal motions were frozen
> out — you'd still have residual motion. The energy associated with
> that 'jiggling' will remain, too."
>
> For most technologists, quantum theory conjures up images of extremely
> minuscule particles and field effects. Why would aerospace companies
> and
> governments invest in researching "jiggles" that defy measurement?
> Because those quantum or vacuum fluctuations – the "jiggles" of zero
> point energy — if tapped somehow, could produce stupendous amounts of
> energy and enable deep-space voyages that are impossible for today's
> propulsion methods.
>
> "Human transportation within the Solar system will only become
> technologically practical if there is a breakthrough in terms of speed,
> coupled with an adequate energy/fuel supply," Evans said.
>
> Energy densities (the amount of energy per unit volume) of the quantum
> vacuum are comparable to those of nuclear energy — or even greater.
> Consequently, its potential as an energy source is absolutely enormous.
> Quantifying the potential of ZPE is difficult, and scientists are
> reluctant to translate the huge numbers predicted by quantum theory
> into
> terms easily grasped.
>
> Puthoff's explanation is particularly graphic, though: "It (sounds)
> ridiculous, but theoretically, there's enough [zero point] energy in
> the
> volume of a coffee cup to more than evaporate all the world's oceans,"
> Puthoff said. "But that's if you could get at all of it, and you
> obviously can't."
>
> (Added Note: Speculation from NASA's Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy
> Probe (WMAP), suggests it should be possible to extract about 20 times
> more energy from the Zero Point Field, per unit of surface area on
> earth, than can be derived from solar energy -- approximately 20
> kilowatts per square meter -- 24 hours per day).

Show the numerical calculation for the above comment.
>
> "The potential is practically limitless; way beyond what can be
> conceived. But until we learn what ZPE embodiment to use [an
> engineering
> process to extract ZPE], and to what frequency we can effectively
> extract the energy, it's really hard to make a practical statement
> about
> how much you can actually use," he cautioned. "So far, the embodiments
> are pitifully small."

> [Experiments] have produced about the same amount of energy as a
> butterfly's wing — picowatts or so. But the potential is there."
>
> (Added note: Magnetic Power Inc. is developing ZPE technology that is
> initially designed to provide kilowatts, and later megawatt modules, of
> electric power).

Please justify this extraordinary claim with a reference that can be
checked.
>
> That staggering potential has kept researchers pursuing a "new physics"
> that some critics classify as near-science fiction. Still, respected
> scientists and government agencies believe the quest is worth investing
> time, effort and money. In 1986, the U.S. Air Force …solicited
> "Non-conventional Propulsion Concepts" under a Small Business
> Innovation
> Research program. One of the six areas of interest was "Esoteric energy
> sources…, including the zero point quantum dynamic energy of vacuum
> space . . . ."
>
> In particular, the late Robert Forward, a respected scientist
> …recommended additional research of the "Casimir effect," which had
> suggested the existence of ZPE decades earlier.

Ian Peterson of University of Coventry has shown that the Casimir force
cannot
be used for propulsion as a matter of principle. The Casimir force
does not at
all tap the vacuum energy. It can only tap the tiny Van Der Waals
electrical energy
of the induced multipoles in the EM zero point field, not the EM zero
point field itself.

> This phenomenon is
> attributed to H.G.B. Casimir, a Dutch researcher, who, in 1948,
> confirmed the reality of quantum vacuum energy by calculating the value
> of a small force between two uncharged metal plates.
>
> "IF YOU PUT TWO metal plates very close together, they partially shield
> some ZPE frequencies," Puthoff explained. "That means the energy
> bouncing back and forth between the plates is less than the energy
> outside, so the plates get pushed together. Radiation pressure outside
> the plates is greater than radiation pressure in the somewhat-shielded
> area between the plates. The plates coming together convert vacuum
> energy to heat."

Puthoff here misleads laymen, and himself, into thinking that the above
effect is relevant
to propulsion when in fact it is a false lead having nothing to do with
the direct gravity and anti-gravity effects of zero point energy that
come
from a completely different part of physics, i.e. Einstein's equivalence
principle.
>
> In 1997, Steve K. Lamoreaux, a University of Washington atomic
> physicist
> at the time, conducted precise measurements of the Casimir effect. His
> results almost perfectly matched the predictions of quantum
> electrodynamics theory, according to a peer-reviewed paper in the Jan.
> 6, 1997, issue of Physical Review Letters.

Nice, but fundamentally irrelevant to the topic of the article.
>
> When NASA established the Breakthrough Propulsion Physics (BPP) program
> in 1996 to research advanced forms of space transportation, it focused
> on three objectives:
>
> – Propulsion that required NO propellant mass.
>
> – Propulsion that attained the maximum transit speeds physically
> possible.
>
> – Breakthrough methods of energy production to power such devices.
>
> Through private funding, Puthoff and his team have secured patents
> based
> on converting ZPE to "miniature ball lightning — micron-size lightning
> — using a very small traveling wave tube," he said. "It appeared to
> demonstrate the principle [of ZPE extraction], but we were never
> successful in scaling it up to useful levels. We're now working on
> various engineering embodiments to do that, but we're not there yet."

This is a false lead and will never work in my opinion. I hope I am
wrong of course.
>
> "As to where we stand on energy exchange [research], the force levels
> and amount of energy are piddly — real, but extremely small," Millis
> added. (See added comment above).
>
> (But) there are striking and encouraging parallels between the
> evolvement of ZPE and the history of nuclear energy research. Albert
> Einstein's equations showed that an infinitesimal amount of mass could
> be converted to a tremendous amount of energy via nuclear reactions.
> Initially, scientists insisted something was wrong; the numbers were
> just too large. They didn't make sense. But the mathematics were
> incontrovertible.
>
> Then natural radioactivity was discovered, validating Einstein's
> equations. However, energy releases found in nature were so small that
> even Einstein believed radiation could never be harnessed as a useful
> energy source.
>
> "At that time, it looked like [nuclear] fission was going nowhere,"
> Puthoff said. "The big breakthrough came when [atomic physicist Enrico]
> Fermi did his famous experiment at the University of Chicago. He found
> that a material releasing lots of neutrons could act as a catalyst and
> start a runaway reaction. Fission would take off and cause a big effect
> — eventually the atomic bomb in the weapons [arena] and nuclear
> reactors in the energy [production] area."
>
> Zero point energy has a similar history. Predictions from quantum
> mechanics said ZPE existed, but the huge numbers associated with it
> prompted questions about the mathematics' validity and suspicions of
> errors in quantum theory.
>
> "Then the Casimir effect was found to be a natural embodiment of
> natural
> principles," Puthoff said. "The [general] reaction was: 'OK, but it's a
> small effect. It's never going to be useful for making energy' — just
> like what was said about nuclear energy. So, we're now at the stage of
> looking for the equivalent of Fermi's neutron-source catalyst —
> something that ignites the ZPE process."

Hal fundamentally here does not understand what the problem is.
He is shining a light in the wrong part of the dark room as in the Sufi
Tale.

The basic equations needed for "metric engineering" of the exotic dark
energy/matter vacua are

Ruv - (1/2)Rguv + /\zpfguv = 0

/\zpf = (Quantum of Area)^-1[(Quantum of Area)^3/2|Vacuum Coherence|^2
- 1]

Ordinary non-exotic vacuum has /\zpf = 0

Where the total vacuum zero point energy density at a given scale is

Zero point energy density = (Super-String Tension)/\zpf

And the Hawking quantum gravity entropy S of a region of space of
volume V with boundary area A is

S = kA/4(Quantum of Area)

k = Boltzmann's constant

With the metric engineering "Josephson interferometer" effect

/\zpf(induced) = (Quantum of Area)^-1[(Quantum of Area)^3/2|Vacuum
Coherence + Superconductor Coherence|^2 - 1]

Control of the relative phase between the physical vacuum condensate
and the control superconductor condensate in their space-time regions
of common "overlap" support is the key to metric engineering.

>
> But is harnessing ZPE feasible, and, if so, how soon? If the
> expectations of cutting-edge scientists are any guide, a ZPE power
> source…could be in sight.
>
> "I'd say our confidence level [of a breakthrough] is 50% or better. We
> have some ideas that we're exploring, but we're not ready to talk about
> them," Puthoff hedged. "The big hurdle is finding an embodiment that
> will permit scale-ups to useful levels of energy — finding the
> catalyst for accelerating currently known processes. If our [research]
> is successful, almost assuredly there'd be no problem with small units
> — a few cubic centimeters of ZPE — providing enough energy to power
> spaceships."
>
> As to when a breakthrough might occur, "We're definitely not stumbling
> around in the dark anymore," Puthoff continued. "It's been shown that
> ZERO POINT ENERGY IS REAL and has REAL CONSEQUENCES. It's definitely a
> technology that's NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME, but it's definitely READY
> FOR SERIOUS SCIENTIFIC INVESTIGATION."

Puthoff is right for the wrong reasons. The Casimir force is the wrong
reason. It is
Fool's Gold. The right reason is the "dark energy" from Type 1a
supernovae data
found first ~ 1999. The article is strangely silent on the The Right
Stuff.
>
> Based on a historical cycle of breakthroughs in transportation
> technology, the human race is due for another big leap in about 2012.
> Last year, Allen predicted one would occur "within a decade or two.
> This stage is equivalent to where aeronautics was in the 1890s."
>
> Still, NASA's Millis urges caution. "I really DON'T want to raise
> people's expectations too much," he said. "To get overly excited
> causes
> more damage [in the field of ZPE research] than skeptics do. We need
> to
> make sure we're not extending our claims beyond what the evidence
> points
> us to today. To be impartial, I'd say were NOT ON THE VERGE of
> grandiose breakthroughs. But, we have another embryonics field opening
> up to us."
>
> ADDENDUM: ZERO POINT ENERGY IN 2012?! (from p. 51)
>
> FLASH – Austin, TEXAS – In trying to predict when a scientific
> breakthrough might UNLOCK zero point enegy (ZPE) as a SPACE
> TRANSPORTATION POWER SOURCE, a few scientists suggest looking for clues
> in historical cycles.
>
> One of the more enticing is the Kondratieff interval, which was defined
> by Nikolai Kondratieff in 1924. Often cited in economic studies, the
> roughly 55-year cycle can be found in a variety of human-event
> patterns.
> John E. Allen, a longtime aerospace researcher and consultant for BAE
> Systems, found that the Kondratieff cycle shows up in key milestones
> leading to spaceflight. If the cycle holds true. then mankind is due
> for another breakthrough in about 2012 – which will be 55 years after
> the launch of Russia's Sputnik, mankind's first satellite, and 109
> years
> after the Wright brothers' first flight.
>
> Hal E. Puthoff, one of several scientists who has spent YEARS trying to
> "break the code" that would release the tremendous potential of ZPE,
> quipped, "It's always darkest just before it's pitch black. The most
> frustrating period is when you know [the answer] is close, but you're
> not there yet. Certainly, that's where we're at now. The fact that
> major aerospace companies are getting interested in [ZPE] will
> definitely accelerate the process. But, there's NO WAY to predict how
> long that'll take."
>
> He and other ZPE researchers might look not only to the Kondratieff
> interval for encouragement, but also to Wilbur Wright's recollection in
> 1908: "In 1901, I confess that I said to my brother, Orville, that man
> WOULD NOT FLY for 50 years. Two years later, we made flights. This
> demonstration of my impotence as a prophet gave me such shock that ever
> more I have distrusted myself and avoided all predictions."
> ---------------------------------------  
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>
> Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 11 @ 00:55:13 PST
>
> Call me suspicious if you like but companies with a direct connection
> to
> the military publicly state what their researching....a couple of years
> later a "discovery" will miraculously appear....a couple of years later
> everybody will wonder why we hadn't done it sooner cos it's so simple.
> Oh look no more energy crisis juts in time......
>
> How else do you get the solution to the energy crisis into the public
> domain from a secret military source without having a public outcry
> about them (the military) sitting on it for years. Let me think about
> this...the most advanced method the military have in getting into space
> is, essentially, a civilian 30 year old grounded space shuttle! Please
> get real. The most advanced/fastest long range plane is the museum
> piece
> SR-71 Blackbird ('60s technology) come on!
>
> Plot a graph of speed/technology for aircraft by decade. '30s, '40s,
> '50s, '60s that's the easy bit no secrets there but what about the
> '70s,
> '80s, '90s, '00s. If you take a logical progression from bi-plane
> propellor '30s to SR-71 '60s and then extend that through another 4
> decades you end up with: Moon and back in an hour, 100% invisible to
> radar etc etc
> Exactly what the most advanced craft is I have no idea, but I bet the
> shuttle is archaic by comparison but a useful public distraction.
>
> Regards,
>
> Malcolm
> ---------------------------------------
> Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 11 @ 23:39:32 PST
>
> I remember a conference in 1999 held by NASA. At that conference ,
> they
> asked as many bright minds as they could muster to come up with methods
> to travel in space without having to carry fuel. The reason being you
> would have to carry an earth sized amount of fuel to go anywhere
> significant. I saw a NASA site on that conference, I tried finding it
> before this post , but couldn't find it. The solution they were after
> sounds a lot like ZPE.
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