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#14605 From: JACK SARFATTI <Sarfatti@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 4:22 am
Subject: Re: Kiehn makes false allegation about my position on quantum gravity 		jacobsarfatti
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I certainly am open to the idea that pre-metrical topological notions in the sense of Klein Erlanger Programme 1872 are relevant to the problem of quantum gravity. Clearly, however, Einstein's 1915 GR metric theory is consistent with all the experiments so far including dark matter and dark energy in my model for them as w = -1 ZPF fluctuations (virtual fermion-antifermion loops for dark matter mimicing w = 0 CDM & virtual bosons for dark energy). Also in my emergent tetrad/spin connection model there is no quantum gravity foam in Wheeler's sense. So far this seems to be consistent with observations - except possibly the "hologram noise" gravity wave data?

On Nov 14, 2009, at 11:57 AM, rkiehn2352@... wrote:

 

In a message dated 14/11/2009 4:08:27 A.M. Romance Standard Time, sarfatti@... writes:
On Nov 13, 2009, at 7:01 PM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:
Robert you are not making any sense. I am not a proponent that the metric alone develops an adequate theory. 
On Nov 13, 2009, at 11:29 AM, rkiehn2352@... wrote:
To all
 
Read my words closely, predicated on the conjecture that gravity and QM must be compatible. 
 
IIf the ultimate theory of gravity is to be found, and if it MUST be compatible with QM,  then I must disagree with Sarfatti, who is a proponent that metric alone develops an adequate theory of gravity.
 
Again for the record: IMHO the gravity field is a compensating local gauge field just like the internal electromagnetic, weak and strong gauge fields. The difference is that gravity is universal and the internal fields are not. Gravity is universal because it comes from localizing the space-time symmetry groups that apply to all the lepton-quark fields.

Therefore, more fundamental than metric are the connection Cartan 1-forms, because it is the connections for parallel transport that are induced by the localization process. In the case of gravity, these connections are ten in number (at least) four tetrads and six spin connections (in Einstein-Cartan extension of Einstein 1915) - possibly more if we use the conformal group.

 
In a message dated 14/11/2009 4:08:27 A.M. Romance Standard Time, sarfatti@... writes:
On Nov 13, 2009, at 7:01 PM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:
Robert you are not making any sense. I am not a proponent that the metric alone develops an adequate theory. 
On Nov 13, 2009, at 11:29 AM, rkiehn2352@... wrote:
To all
 
Read my words closely, predicated on the conjecture that gravity and QM must be compatible. 
 
IIf the ultimate theory of gravity is to be found, and if it MUST be compatible with QM,  then I must disagree with Sarfatti, who is a proponent that metric alone develops an adequate theory of gravity.
 
Again for the record: IMHO the gravity field is a compensating local gauge field just like the internal electromagnetic, weak and strong gauge fields. The difference is that gravity is universal and the internal fields are not. Gravity is universal because it comes from localizing the space-time symmetry groups that apply to all the lepton-quark fields.

Therefore, more fundamental than metric are the connection Cartan 1-forms, because it is the connections for parallel transport that are induced by the localization process. In the case of gravity, these connections are ten in number (at least) four tetrads and six spin connections (in Einstein-Cartan extension of Einstein 1915) - possibly more if we use the conformal group.

 
RMK SAYS :
JACK
I have a problem, for as I understand it, the concepts of groups, group symmetries, quasi groups, localized embeddings, manifolds, closed Cartan connections, unique integrability, tetrads, deformation processes, Hodge duality and even exterior differential forms on diffeomorphic spaces, equivalence relations .... all are latently based upon Hausdorff T2+ topologies, hence they are geometric concepts related to a classic metric.   What that specific metric is, for all situations,  is not an easy (unresolved) problem.

Apparently there is a t'Hooft operator Hodge dual to the Wilson loop that describes Kleinert's multi-valued singular transformations e.g. my singular vacuum condensate Goldstone phase 0-forms that have non-vanishing derived 2-forms as well as 1-form compensating local gauge potential connections for parallel transport. There is also a connection to the Berry phase that needs to be explored.
 
Yet there are physical properties of physical systems that are NOT metrizable.  One property that such systems can have is the property of topological torsion (can't be embedded in R3 , or even in R4 if the exterior differential of the Topological Torsion is zero). 
*
For a video demo of torsion of deformation versus topological torsion, see the zip file attachment
The first video    R2torsion.mwv        demonstrates torsion deformations that are embeddable in the plane.
The second video     R3toptorsion    demonstrates Topological Torsion which is NOT embeddable in the plane.
 
 
and for the emergence of topological defects in a fluid, see
 
 
*
 The classical metric field in 4D presumes the idea of a 4 x 4 matrix of functions, with signatures, where the constraints of symmetry or orthogonality limit the possibilities of the functions that compose the matrix elements.  In all cases the symmetric matrix can be diagonalized, the diagonal elements can be related to translations.   The more general asymmetric matrix of functions has in addition 6 matrix elements that have to do with fixed points of rotation, and the six component functions that make up the anti-symmetric parts of the matrix.    The anti-symmetric matrix components can be of maximal rank 4 (in 4D)  and will have 4 eigenvectors which are complex Spinors, even though the matrix elements are real.
 
In Kiehn, R. M. (1975), Submersive equivalence classes for metric fields, Lett. al Nuovo Cimento  14,  308, I demonstrated the hypothesis that if the classic concept of a metric was extended to include anti-symmetric parts, then these rank 3 and rank 4 anti-symmetric components could be related to Short range - conserved Parity - topological spaces, and Short range - non-conserved Parity- topological spaces.   That is,  the strong force systems  and the weak force systems, respectively.  The Strong force collection belonged to a set that contained an exterior differential 1-form, A, that satisfied the equations A^dA = 0 and d(A^dA)= 0, rank 3.  The weak force was related to the structures such that d(A^dA) =/= 0, rank 4.
*
Rather than say "Gravity is universal because it comes from localizing the space-time symmetry groups that apply to all the lepton-quark fields", I would prefer to say that the NON-metrizable  features of gravity appear to be related to the concept of Boson and Leptons, being associated with Non-metrizable  topologies.   The "localization" need not take place, for it is the process that excludes Non-Metrizable  features.
*
So with such assumptions, the marriage of gravity and quantum mechanics seems (to me) to be possible, and I would agree with the statement: "NON-metrizable features of Bosons and Leptons are the needed ingredients in forming a complete theory of gravity and quantum mechanics.".   
 
Regards,
R. M. Kiehn

<20091114.zip>


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#14604 From: JACK SARFATTI <adastra1@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:17 am
Subject: Re: Kiehn makes false allegation about my position 		adastra1@...
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PPS in my theory there is no quantum gravity in the orthodox top ---> down i.e. classical to quantum sense.
My theory is bottom ---> up emergent gravity.

Gravity comes from the same partial cohering of the pre-inflation false vacuum's virtual lepton and quark closed loops and virtual photons that give the eight QCD gluon post-inflation vacuum condensates as well as the 4 tetrads and the six spin connections. There is no Wheeler quantum gravity foam here because when the vacuum coherence Higgs field order parameter vanish what you have left is the false vacuum again i.e. only the virtual leptons and quark loops and virtual photons - the vacuum condensates that give space-time curvature simply vanish. That's the qualitative idea.
In other words gravity is a collective excitation of cohered virtual fermion-antifermion zero point vacuum polarization loops and virtual photons that simply vanishes like when a superconductor undergoes a phase transition to a normal metal.


On Nov 13, 2009, at 7:08 PM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:


On Nov 13, 2009, at 7:01 PM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:

Robert you are not making any sense. I am not a proponent that the metric alone develops an adequate theory. 
On Nov 13, 2009, at 11:29 AM, rkiehn2352@... wrote:

To all
 
Read my words closely, predicated on the conjecture that gravity and QM must be compatible. 
 
IIf the ultimate theory of gravity is to be found, and if it MUST be compatible with QM,  then I must disagree with Sarfatti, who is a proponent that metric alone develops an adequate theory of gravity.
 


Again for the record: IMHO the gravity field is a compensating local gauge field just like the internal electromagnetic, weak and strong gauge fields. The difference is that gravity is universal and the internal fields are not. Gravity is universal because it comes from localizing the space-time symmetry groups that apply to all the lepton-quark fields.

Therefore, more fundamental than metric are the connection Cartan 1-forms, because it is the connections for parallel transport that are induced by the localization process. In the case of gravity, these connections are ten in number (at least) four tetrads and six spin connections (in Einstein-Cartan extension of Einstein 1915) - possibly more if we use the conformal group.




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#14603 From: JACK SARFATTI <Sarfatti@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:08 am
Subject: Re: Kiehn makes false allegation about my position 		jacobsarfatti
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On Nov 13, 2009, at 7:01 PM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:

Robert you are not making any sense. I am not a proponent that the metric alone develops an adequate theory. 
On Nov 13, 2009, at 11:29 AM, rkiehn2352@... wrote:

To all
 
Read my words closely, predicated on the conjecture that gravity and QM must be compatible. 
 
IIf the ultimate theory of gravity is to be found, and if it MUST be compatible with QM,  then I must disagree with Sarfatti, who is a proponent that metric alone develops an adequate theory of gravity.
 


Again for the record: IMHO the gravity field is a compensating local gauge field just like the internal electromagnetic, weak and strong gauge fields. The difference is that gravity is universal and the internal fields are not. Gravity is universal because it comes from localizing the space-time symmetry groups that apply to all the lepton-quark fields.

Therefore, more fundamental than metric are the connection Cartan 1-forms, because it is the connections for parallel transport that are induced by the localization process. In the case of gravity, these connections are ten in number (at least) four tetrads and six spin connections (in Einstein-Cartan extension of Einstein 1915) - possibly more if we use the conformal group.



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#14602 From: JACK SARFATTI <Sarfatti@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:37 am
Subject: Re: My actual position on gravity theories 		jacobsarfatti
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yes it is, that is essentially exactly what it is about
that' the essence of the principle of relativity in operational terms
the relation between the observers gets more subtle as the theory generalizes
1905 SR is only when Alice and Bob are in uniform relative motion without g-force on either of them.
Of course they can describe test particles that are accelerating under the action of forces.
1915 GR allows Alice and Bob to be in arbitrary individual motions with g-forces.
It also requires that Alice and Bob be locally coincident even if they are measuring distant events on or inside their almost common past light cones.


On Nov 13, 2009, at 8:41 AM, Paul Murad wrote:

Jack:
 
Relativity is NOT how different observers compare measurements?  Really?....
Ufoguy...
 
 

--- On Fri, 11/13/09, JACK SARFATTI <sarfatti@...> wrote:

From: JACK SARFATTI <sarfatti@...>
Subject: Re: My actual position on gravity theories
To: "Sarfatti_Physics_Seminars" <Sarfatti_Physics_Seminars@yahoogroups.com>
PS on Zielinsky's not even wrong thesis.

Relativity is about how different observers compare their measurements of the same events. Therefore, we have a creative tension with Heisenberg's quantum uncertainty limits for non-commuting observables.

There is not a good reason to introduce multiple connections into gravity theory.
If you do, you must give good physical reason in operational terms for doing so, and you must not confound what you are proposing as merely another way of looking at Einstein's GR, and if you do introduce such a Rube Goldberg device you must not say, as Zielinsky does say, that Einstein was wrong or did not understand what he is doing. Zielinsky does all of the above.

Extended theories of gravity only use ONE connection, but the connection gets larger - more terms from localizing larger universal spacetime symmetry groups.

Einstein 1915 localizes T4 -> T4(x) ---> tetrad ---> LC connection with constraint of zero torsion

Einstein-Cartan localizes P10 -> P10(x) ---> tetrad + independent spin connection ---> LC connection + torsion tensor in sense of T4(x) locally coincident LNIF --> LNIF' (Rovelli's iii in Ch 2 of his Quantum Gravity)

On Nov 13, 2009, at 6:51 AM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:

The local gauge principle explains both gravity and the internal forces in a conceptually unified way at the classical level.

The fundamental quantity is the connection for parallel transport of geometric objects.

The connections are induced by localizing the symmetry groups of the actions of the fermion matter fields (leptons and quarks).

Gravity is unique because it is universal. That is the essential meaning of the equivalence principle because all matter fields see the connections induced by localizing the spacetime symmetry groups common to all fermion matter fields.  In contrast, the U1, SU2, SU3 connections are not seen by all matter fields, i.e. the leptons do not see the SU3 connection directly.

As a matter of fact Einstein's 1915 GR is the local gauge theory of only T4 with a adhoc constraint of zero torsion.

This gives the curvature only limit (i.e. disclination without dislocation defects in Hagen Kleinert's sense).

The fundamental connection in that particular case are the non-trivial parts of the 4 tetrad Cartan 1-forms that give the disclination-only 6 spin connection 1-forms (Rovelli's 2.89) from which the curvature 2-form is calculated.

The Levi-Civita connection is secondary.

"Tensor" ("Spinor") are relative to the choice of symmetry group. Each symmetry group has its own space of tensors.

Tensors are multi-linear maps under the elements of the symmetry group.

So one need alway be careful of which "tensors" they mean.

The elements of the symmetry group must always be defined operationally in Bohr's terms "total experimental arrangement" i.e. "frame transformations" in terms of detectors that an experimental physicist can understand and design an experiment around - otherwise it is pseudo-physics - or pure mathematics of no interest to real physicists who are concerned with actual phenomena not mathematical fantasies no matter how enticing. Math for math's sake is the opium of the theoretical physicist, e.g. string theory.


On Nov 13, 2009, at 6:13 AM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:

 

Memorandum for the record

 I must disagree with Sarfatti, who is a proponent that metric alone develops an adequate theory.

That is ridiculous. I am NOT a proponent of any such thing. Where Kiehn got that notion I don't know.

As a matter of fact, Einstein's 1915 GR is a metric theory of gravity and it works. 
If Kiehn has an alternative theory of gravity that explains all the experiments that Einstein's does, then the burden of proof is on him.
However, I never say that such an alternative theory is impossible. However, I have yet to see one.

On Nov 13, 2009, at 4:38 AM, RKiehn2352@aol. com wrote:

 
Paul Zielinski wrote:

Metric compatibility of a connection has NOTHING  to do with the covariance of the associated covariant
derivative. All connections in the family

A = LC + Q


(where Q is an arbitrary non-metricity term) are associated with fully covariant tensor derivatives.

The first order tensor differential variation g_ij: k of the metric field g_ij(x) along the manifold is zero everywhere
on a Minkowski spacetime manifold, but not on a warped spacetime manifold.

The covariant derivative ":" is *completely non-metric* and is thus completely insensitive to the intrinsic geometry
of the manifold.
 
RMK says:
 
I disagree with Zielinski.
 
All "manifolds" obey the Hausdorff T2+ separation axiom, which means
that they are metrizable.  That is, a metric can be found.
 
The Covariant derivative is not necessarily tensorial.
Tensorial :  Dx(fY) = f (Dx(Y)).
Koszul has shown that the affine connection obeys the rules
Affine:  D(x)(fY) = f (Dx(Y)) + Dx(f) Y
  see attachment
The affine derivative is not tensorial, but it still is geometric and
can be related to a metric.
*
Note that the Lie differential is not (necessarily) the same as the
covariant derivative or the affine derivative.  The Lie differential on
exterior differential forms works even though the space has a T0
topology, which is NOT metrizable!
*
Cohomology works on T0 non-metrizable topologies.  This implies that
there are period integrals
(hence quantum ideas of Spin, Topological Torsion, irreversible dissipation. .)
that are completely free of metric constraints.
  
 
It would appear that gravity based on metric
will never be (fully) compatible with Quantum Mechanics,
unless non-metrizable features of gravity are discovered, and employed.
 
If the ultimate theory of gravity is to be found, and if it MUST be compatible with QM,
the I must disagree with Sarfatti, who is a proponent that metric alone develops an adequate theory.
 
AS an example of Topological (non-metrizable) Torsion, consider the photo
of a twisted fiber-bundle that cannot be embedded in R2.
It is a stabile spin 3/2 Moebius Torus.
 
<Untitled.jpg>
Compare to an untwisted fiber bundle that lies flat
on the plane (embeddable)  
<Untitled.jpg>
If the untwisted fiber bundle (the torus) is formed into a figure 8, 
it is not stable, and upon release will force itself to return to the flat state.
 
RMK
<Koszul.pdf>







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#14601 From: JACK SARFATTI <Sarfatti@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:12 pm
Subject: Re: My actual position on gravity theories 		jacobsarfatti
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PS on Zielinsky's not even wrong thesis.

Relativity is about how different observers compare their measurements of the same events. Therefore, we have a creative tension with Heisenberg's quantum uncertainty limits for non-commuting observables.

There is not a good reason to introduce multiple connections into gravity theory.
If you do, you must give good physical reason in operational terms for doing so, and you must not confound what you are proposing as merely another way of looking at Einstein's GR, and if you do introduce such a Rube Goldberg device you must not say, as Zielinsky does say, that Einstein was wrong or did not understand what he is doing. Zielinsky does all of the above.

Extended theories of gravity only use ONE connection, but the connection gets larger - more terms from localizing larger universal spacetime symmetry groups.

Einstein 1915 localizes T4 -> T4(x) ---> tetrad ---> LC connection with constraint of zero torsion

Einstein-Cartan localizes P10 -> P10(x) ---> tetrad + independent spin connection ---> LC connection + torsion tensor in sense of T4(x) locally coincident LNIF --> LNIF' (Rovelli's iii in Ch 2 of his Quantum Gravity)

On Nov 13, 2009, at 6:51 AM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:

The local gauge principle explains both gravity and the internal forces in a conceptually unified way at the classical level.

The fundamental quantity is the connection for parallel transport of geometric objects.

The connections are induced by localizing the symmetry groups of the actions of the fermion matter fields (leptons and quarks).

Gravity is unique because it is universal. That is the essential meaning of the equivalence principle because all matter fields see the connections induced by localizing the spacetime symmetry groups common to all fermion matter fields.  In contrast, the U1, SU2, SU3 connections are not seen by all matter fields, i.e. the leptons do not see the SU3 connection directly.

As a matter of fact Einstein's 1915 GR is the local gauge theory of only T4 with a adhoc constraint of zero torsion.

This gives the curvature only limit (i.e. disclination without dislocation defects in Hagen Kleinert's sense).

The fundamental connection in that particular case are the non-trivial parts of the 4 tetrad Cartan 1-forms that give the disclination-only 6 spin connection 1-forms (Rovelli's 2.89) from which the curvature 2-form is calculated.

The Levi-Civita connection is secondary.

"Tensor" ("Spinor") are relative to the choice of symmetry group. Each symmetry group has its own space of tensors.

Tensors are multi-linear maps under the elements of the symmetry group.

So one need alway be careful of which "tensors" they mean.

The elements of the symmetry group must always be defined operationally in Bohr's terms "total experimental arrangement" i.e. "frame transformations" in terms of detectors that an experimental physicist can understand and design an experiment around - otherwise it is pseudo-physics - or pure mathematics of no interest to real physicists who are concerned with actual phenomena not mathematical fantasies no matter how enticing. Math for math's sake is the opium of the theoretical physicist, e.g. string theory.


On Nov 13, 2009, at 6:13 AM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:

 

Memorandum for the record

 I must disagree with Sarfatti, who is a proponent that metric alone develops an adequate theory.

That is ridiculous. I am NOT a proponent of any such thing. Where Kiehn got that notion I don't know.

As a matter of fact, Einstein's 1915 GR is a metric theory of gravity and it works. 
If Kiehn has an alternative theory of gravity that explains all the experiments that Einstein's does, then the burden of proof is on him.
However, I never say that such an alternative theory is impossible. However, I have yet to see one.

On Nov 13, 2009, at 4:38 AM, RKiehn2352@aol.com wrote:

 
Paul Zielinski wrote:

Metric compatibility of a connection has NOTHING  to do with the covariance of the associated covariant
derivative. All connections in the family

A = LC + Q


(where Q is an arbitrary non-metricity term) are associated with fully covariant tensor derivatives.

The first order tensor differential variation g_ij: k of the metric field g_ij(x) along the manifold is zero everywhere
on a Minkowski spacetime manifold, but not on a warped spacetime manifold.

The covariant derivative ":" is *completely non-metric* and is thus completely insensitive to the intrinsic geometry
of the manifold.
 
RMK says:
 
I disagree with Zielinski.
 
All "manifolds" obey the Hausdorff T2+ separation axiom, which means
that they are metrizable.  That is, a metric can be found.
 
The Covariant derivative is not necessarily tensorial.
Tensorial :  Dx(fY) = f (Dx(Y)).
Koszul has shown that the affine connection obeys the rules
Affine:  D(x)(fY) = f (Dx(Y)) + Dx(f) Y
  see attachment
The affine derivative is not tensorial, but it still is geometric and
can be related to a metric.
*
Note that the Lie differential is not (necessarily) the same as the
covariant derivative or the affine derivative.  The Lie differential on
exterior differential forms works even though the space has a T0
topology, which is NOT metrizable!
*
Cohomology works on T0 non-metrizable topologies.  This implies that
there are period integrals
(hence quantum ideas of Spin, Topological Torsion, irreversible dissipation..)
that are completely free of metric constraints.
  
 
It would appear that gravity based on metric
will never be (fully) compatible with Quantum Mechanics,
unless non-metrizable features of gravity are discovered, and employed.
 
If the ultimate theory of gravity is to be found, and if it MUST be compatible with QM,
the I must disagree with Sarfatti, who is a proponent that metric alone develops an adequate theory.
 
AS an example of Topological (non-metrizable) Torsion, consider the photo
of a twisted fiber-bundle that cannot be embedded in R2.
It is a stabile spin 3/2 Moebius Torus.
 
<Untitled.jpg>
Compare to an untwisted fiber bundle that lies flat
on the plane (embeddable)  
<Untitled.jpg>
If the untwisted fiber bundle (the torus) is formed into a figure 8, 
it is not stable, and upon release will force itself to return to the flat state.
 
RMK
<Koszul.pdf>





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#14600 From: JACK SARFATTI <Sarfatti@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:51 pm
Subject: My actual position on gravity theories 		jacobsarfatti
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The local gauge principle explains both gravity and the internal forces in a conceptually unified way at the classical level.

The fundamental quantity is the connection for parallel transport of geometric objects.

The connections are induced by localizing the symmetry groups of the actions of the fermion matter fields (leptons and quarks).

Gravity is unique because it is universal. That is the essential meaning of the equivalence principle because all matter fields see the connections induced by localizing the spacetime symmetry groups common to all fermion matter fields.  In contrast, the U1, SU2, SU3 connections are not seen by all matter fields, i.e. the leptons do not see the SU3 connection directly.

As a matter of fact Einstein's 1915 GR is the local gauge theory of only T4 with a adhoc constraint of zero torsion.

This gives the curvature only limit (i.e. disclination without dislocation defects in Hagen Kleinert's sense).

The fundamental connection in that particular case are the non-trivial parts of the 4 tetrad Cartan 1-forms that give the disclination-only 6 spin connection 1-forms (Rovelli's 2.89) from which the curvature 2-form is calculated.

The Levi-Civita connection is secondary.

"Tensor" ("Spinor") are relative to the choice of symmetry group. Each symmetry group has its own space of tensors.

Tensors are multi-linear maps under the elements of the symmetry group.

So one need alway be careful of which "tensors" they mean.

The elements of the symmetry group must always be defined operationally in Bohr's terms "total experimental arrangement" i.e. "frame transformations" in terms of detectors that an experimental physicist can understand and design an experiment around - otherwise it is pseudo-physics - or pure mathematics of no interest to real physicists who are concerned with actual phenomena not mathematical fantasies no matter how enticing. Math for math's sake is the opium of the theoretical physicist, e.g. string theory.


On Nov 13, 2009, at 6:13 AM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:

 

Memorandum for the record

 I must disagree with Sarfatti, who is a proponent that metric alone develops an adequate theory.

That is ridiculous. I am NOT a proponent of any such thing. Where Kiehn got that notion I don't know.

As a matter of fact, Einstein's 1915 GR is a metric theory of gravity and it works. 
If Kiehn has an alternative theory of gravity that explains all the experiments that Einstein's does, then the burden of proof is on him.
However, I never say that such an alternative theory is impossible. However, I have yet to see one.

On Nov 13, 2009, at 4:38 AM, RKiehn2352@aol.com wrote:

 
Paul Zielinski wrote:

Metric compatibility of a connection has NOTHING  to do with the covariance of the associated covariant
derivative. All connections in the family

A = LC + Q


(where Q is an arbitrary non-metricity term) are associated with fully covariant tensor derivatives.

The first order tensor differential variation g_ij: k of the metric field g_ij(x) along the manifold is zero everywhere
on a Minkowski spacetime manifold, but not on a warped spacetime manifold.

The covariant derivative ":" is *completely non-metric* and is thus completely insensitive to the intrinsic geometry
of the manifold.
 
RMK says:
 
I disagree with Zielinski.
 
All "manifolds" obey the Hausdorff T2+ separation axiom, which means
that they are metrizable.  That is, a metric can be found.
 
The Covariant derivative is not necessarily tensorial.
Tensorial :  Dx(fY) = f (Dx(Y)).
Koszul has shown that the affine connection obeys the rules
Affine:  D(x)(fY) = f (Dx(Y)) + Dx(f) Y
  see attachment
The affine derivative is not tensorial, but it still is geometric and
can be related to a metric.
*
Note that the Lie differential is not (necessarily) the same as the
covariant derivative or the affine derivative.  The Lie differential on
exterior differential forms works even though the space has a T0
topology, which is NOT metrizable!
*
Cohomology works on T0 non-metrizable topologies.  This implies that
there are period integrals
(hence quantum ideas of Spin, Topological Torsion, irreversible dissipation..)
that are completely free of metric constraints.
  
 
It would appear that gravity based on metric
will never be (fully) compatible with Quantum Mechanics,
unless non-metrizable features of gravity are discovered, and employed.
 
If the ultimate theory of gravity is to be found, and if it MUST be compatible with QM,
the I must disagree with Sarfatti, who is a proponent that metric alone develops an adequate theory.
 
AS an example of Topological (non-metrizable) Torsion, consider the photo
of a twisted fiber-bundle that cannot be embedded in R2.
It is a stabile spin 3/2 Moebius Torus.
 
<Untitled.jpg>
Compare to an untwisted fiber bundle that lies flat
on the plane (embeddable)  
<Untitled.jpg>
If the untwisted fiber bundle (the torus) is formed into a figure 8, 
it is not stable, and upon release will force itself to return to the flat state.
 
RMK
<Koszul.pdf>




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#14599 From: JACK SARFATTI <Sarfatti@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:48 am
Subject: The Pioneer Anomaly - a dark matter effect - gravity monopole at center of Sun? 		jacobsarfatti
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I don't fully explain it of course - as yet
I am playing with the idea that it is a dark matter (virtual fermion-antifermion pair dominance inside exotic vacuum) gravity hedgehog monopole effect.
Basically two concentric spherical surfaces with Sun at center with dark matter in between - as in a hedgehog magnetic monopole topological defect - but this for the gravity field not the electromagnetic field - note the inner hollow hole  - the gravity arrows point inward

g = c^2/RH ~ 1 nanometer/sec^2

the appearance of the Hubble scale RH on this small scale must be a retrocausal hologram effect from our future event horizon.



On Nov 12, 2009, at 5:09 PM, Dave Williams wrote:

how *do* you explain the Pioneer anomaly?



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: JACK SARFATTI <sarfatti@...>
Date: Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: Z's misunderstanding of Einstein's physics
To: Paul Zielinski <iksnileiz@...>




Einstein's 1915 GR is a metric theory. There is no Q =/= 0 in it.

Einstein's theory is simply in your terms

A = LC

Waldyr & others introduce alternative theories with Q =/= 0 that they claim are equivalent to Einstein's GR.
This is debatable - also not of any interest to the top guns in the field who ignore it - and rightly so.
It is only interesting if the proponents of the alternative theories make predictions that differ from Einstein's GR and if they can explain things like dark energy, dark matter, flyby anomaly, Pioneer anomaly etc - that is what I try to do.


On Nov 11, 2009, at 7:49 PM, Paul Zielinski wrote:

 Metric compatibility of a connection has NOTHING  to do with the covariance of the associated covariant
derivative. All connections in the family

A = LC + Q

(where Q is an arbitrary non-metricity term) are associated with fully covariant tensor derivatives.

The first order tensor differential variation g_ij: k of the metric field g_ij(x) along the manifold is zero everywhere
on a Minkowski spacetime manifold, but not on a warped spacetime manifold.

The covariant derivative ":" is *completely non-metric* and is thus completely insensitive to the intrinsic geometry
of the manifold.



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#14598 From: JACK SARFATTI <Sarfatti@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:25 am
Subject: Hawking's first name 		jacobsarfatti
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e not a
Stephen
will fix in v4
On Nov 12, 2009, at 5:21 PM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:

see attached v3 under construction - with a new preface!
<Sarfatti Lectures Gravity.pdf>

On Nov 12, 2009, at 4:46 PM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:


Einstein's 1915 GR is a metric theory. There is no Q =/= 0 in it.

Einstein's theory is simply in your terms

A = LC

Waldyr & others introduce alternative theories with Q =/= 0 that they claim are equivalent to Einstein's GR.
This is debatable - also not of any interest to the top guns in the field who ignore it - and rightly so.
It is only interesting if the proponents of the alternative theories make predictions that differ from Einstein's GR and if they can explain things like dark energy, dark matter, flyby anomaly, Pioneer anomaly etc - that is what I try to do.


On Nov 11, 2009, at 7:49 PM, Paul Zielinski wrote:



Metric compatibility of a connection has NOTHING  to do with the covariance of the associated covariant
derivative. All connections in the family

A = LC + Q

(where Q is an arbitrary non-metricity term) are associated with fully covariant tensor derivatives.

The first order tensor differential variation g_ij: k of the metric field g_ij(x) along the manifold is zero everywhere
on a Minkowski spacetime manifold, but not on a warped spacetime manifold.

The covariant derivative ":" is *completely non-metric* and is thus completely insensitive to the intrinsic geometry
of the manifold.




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#14597 From: JACK SARFATTI <Sarfatti@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:21 am
Subject: Sarfatti Lectures on Einstein's Gravity and Beyond dedicated to Paul Zielinski & Waldyr Rodrigues Jr 		jacobsarfatti
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see attached v3 under construction - with a new preface!

On Nov 12, 2009, at 4:46 PM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:


Einstein's 1915 GR is a metric theory. There is no Q =/= 0 in it.

Einstein's theory is simply in your terms

A = LC

Waldyr & others introduce alternative theories with Q =/= 0 that they claim are equivalent to Einstein's GR.
This is debatable - also not of any interest to the top guns in the field who ignore it - and rightly so.
It is only interesting if the proponents of the alternative theories make predictions that differ from Einstein's GR and if they can explain things like dark energy, dark matter, flyby anomaly, Pioneer anomaly etc - that is what I try to do.


On Nov 11, 2009, at 7:49 PM, Paul Zielinski wrote:



Metric compatibility of a connection has NOTHING  to do with the covariance of the associated covariant
derivative. All connections in the family

A = LC + Q

(where Q is an arbitrary non-metricity term) are associated with fully covariant tensor derivatives.

The first order tensor differential variation g_ij: k of the metric field g_ij(x) along the manifold is zero everywhere
on a Minkowski spacetime manifold, but not on a warped spacetime manifold.

The covariant derivative ":" is *completely non-metric* and is thus completely insensitive to the intrinsic geometry
of the manifold.



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#14596 From: JACK SARFATTI <Sarfatti@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:36 am
Subject: Fwd: "Exopolitics World Network (EWN) & United States Network (EUSN)" sent you a message on Facebook... 		jacobsarfatti
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From: Facebook <notification+m554xnnr@...>
Date: November 12, 2009 12:03:18 PM PST
To: Jack Sarfatti <sarfatti@...>
Subject: "Exopolitics World Network (EWN) & United States Network (EUSN)" sent you a message on Facebook...
Reply-To: noreply <noreply@...>

Michael Salla sent a message to the members of Exopolitics World Network (EWN) & United States Network (EUSN).

--------------------
Subject: Vatican prepares for extraterrestrial disclosure

[Honolulu Exopolitics Examiner - 11/12/09]

The Vatican has just completed a five day conference on astrobiology where scientists convened to discuss the detection and implications of extraterrestrial life. A major driving force behind the conference was the Director of the Vatican Observatory, the Jesuit priest Father Gabriel Funes. In May 2008, Funes gave an interview to the Vaticans LOsservatore Romano newspaper saying that the existence of intelligent extraterrestrials posed no problems to Catholic theology. The conference itself was officially convened by the Vatican's Pontifical Academy of Sciences, chaired by its religious leader Bishop Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo, and was held on private Vatican grounds. Together with Funes 2008 interview and subsequent public comments by him, the conference demonstrates a welcome openness by the Vatican on the possibility and implications of extraterrestrial life.  The Vaticans openness to discussion of extraterrestrial life is no accident. It is part of an openness policy secretly adopted by the United Nations in February 2008. In fact, the Vatican is playing a leading role in preparing the world for extraterrestrial disclosure.


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#14595 From: JACK SARFATTI <Sarfatti@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:37 am
Subject: Re: John Cramer & Woodward nonlocalizable gravity energy & EEP "Frontiers of Propulsion Science" - 		jacobsarfatti
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attached v2 - expanded

On Nov 10, 2009, at 8:27 PM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:

Please change your address books to include
because
sarfatti@... may be dead on Dec 1.

see attached pdf v1 as a partial answer to Zielinski's not even wrong allegation about both Einstein's theory and my position on Einstein's theory.

<tetrads1.pdf>

On Nov 10, 2009, at 7:40 PM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:

do it in word
save it as pdf
that's what I am doing now
:-)
On Nov 10, 2009, at 7:26 PM, Woodward, James wrote:

I can't get anything like an equation editor to work in Outlook.  Rather than forego a little matn, I'll do a page or two in Word addressing the EEP, Mach's principle, and energy localization.  Sorry to be so long about this.
From: JACK SARFATTI [sarfatti@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 2:31 PM
To: Sarfatti_Physics_Seminars
Cc: SarfattiScienceSeminars@YahooGroups. com
Subject: John Cramer & Woodward nonlocalizable gravity energy & EEP "Frontiers of Propulsion Science" -

Thanks for the clarification James. I need to think about this. The EEP is very profound with many facets.

Let's take a uniformly accelerating test particle in globally flat Minkowski space-time with zero intrinsic curvature

The coordinates of the accelerating particle (from a non-gravity force) in the slow speed v/c << 1 Galilean limit are

x' = x - (1/2)gt^2

t' = t

gt/c << 1

can ignore y & z

dx = dx' + gt'dt'

dt = dt'

ds^2 = c^2dt^2 - dx^2 = c^2dt'^2 - (dx' + gt'dt')^2

= c^2(1 - (gt'/c)^2)dt^2 - 2gt'dtdx - dx'^2

there is a gravimagnetic field of gtx = 2gt'/c in this LNIF

There is an effective non-static Newtonian gravity potential energy per unit test particle

VNewton ~ (1/2)(gt')^2

Is there a Newtonian gravity force on the test particle in this slow speed approximation?

t'^2 = 2(x - x')/g

VNewton ~ (1/2)(gt')^2 = g(x - x')

Newton's universal gravity force per unit test particle = -dVNewton/dx' = g

so the calculation is self-consistent.

Now according to the EEP

the test particle mass should change continuously from m to

M = m(1 + VNewton/c^2) ~ m(1 + g(x - x')/c)

Of course energy is being pumped into the particle from the work done by the non-gravity force - so this change of mass is what one expects from special relativity - everything seems consistent.






Begin forwarded message:

From: "Woodward, James" <jwoodward@...>
Date: November 5, 2009 11:15:21 AM PST
To: "'JACK SARFATTI'" <sarfatti@...>
Subject: RE: "Frontiers of Propulsion Science" - Hey guys I found something else - surprising

Thanks.  By the way, you'll find a brief discussion of the EEP and gravitational energy localization in the notes to pp 39 and 40 for the PDF version of the presentation I gave at John Cramer's 75th birthday symposium.  (It's on the symposium website.)  Brans (in 1962) was correcting Einstein's claim (in 1921) that "spectator" masses (nearby mass concentrations) contribute to the gravitational potential energy, and thus the mass, of objects -- whereas the EEP requires that the total gravitational potential be a locally measured invariant to keep this from happening (and completely screwing up GR).  If localizable, local gravity fields change the masses of things -- and accelerations don't -- gravity and accelerations can be discriminated as Brans describes and the EP (E or otherwise) is false.

From: JACK SARFATTI [mailto:sarfatti@...] 
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 5:15 AM
To: Woodward, James

Subject: Fwd: "Frontiers of Propulsion Science" - Hey guys I found something else - surprising

Begin forwarded message:

Date: November 4, 2009 7:12:02 PM PST
Subject: Re: "Frontiers of Propulsion Science" - Hey guys I found something else - surprising

The book is right on with the chapters I mentioned earlier -- see attached excellent chapter!
Gary


In a message dated 10/16/09 3:52:45, sarfatti@... writes:


http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Unified-Field-Philadelphia-Experiment/dp/1931882843/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_b
look at table of contents - very similar to what we were trying to 
check out at Joe Firmage's ISSO
book not as flaky as its cover - but probably wrong in the end
On Oct 16, 2009, at 3:46 AM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:

>
>> On Oct 15, 2009, at 5:01 PM, ... wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>  http://www.amazon.com/dp/1563479567/?tag=fourmilabwwwfour
>>>
>









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#14594 From: JACK SARFATTI <Sarfatti@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:58 pm
Subject: Re: Your APS April Meeting Abstract (Dr. Quantum) 		jacobsarfatti
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On Nov 11, 2009, at 1:45 PM, messages@... wrote:

> Dear April APS Meeting presenter,
>
> My colleagues and I are working to publicize the upcoming 2010
> April APS meeting in Washington, DC (February 13-16). In order
> to foster coverage of the meeting for print, broadcast, and
> internet news outlets, we're contacting each meeting presenter in
> an attempt to identify the research that will most appeal to the
> journalists who will be covering the meeting.
>
> As soon as you have a chance, I would greatly appreciate it if you
> could take a moment to answer a few questions (if you are already
> in touch with one of the media relations people at the APS or the
> American Institute of Physics, please feel free to ignore this email).
> Your responses will help us determine whether we should include
> information about your abstract in our press materials.
>
> -What is the title of your talk?
Emergent Gravity - unification with the strong force?
>
> -In your opinion, how newsworthy is the research you will be
> presenting at the April meeting (not newsworthy, fairly newsworthy,
> exceedingly newsworthy)?

Exceedingly newsworthy.
>
> -Please briefly explain your research as though you were describing
> it to a non-physicist.  (Imagine presenting your work to a high
> school physics class or a non-physics college class)

In this model, Einstein's gravity, the strong QCD SU3 force, and
possibly the weak SU2 force emerge at the moment of inflation from the
partial cohering of the lepton, quark and photon zero point vacuum
fluctuations of the false vacuum. Wheeler's quantum gravity foam does
not exist in this model. The residual un-cohered pre-inflation w = -1
in 3D +1 off-shell vacuum fluctuations correspond to both dark energy
and dark matter. Attractive dark matter comes from the clumping of
virtual fermion-antifermion pairs whose density dominates the virtual
bosons responsible for repulsive dark energy spreading out to larger
scales. The virtual fermion-antifermion pairs mimic w = 0 on-shell
CDM. The t' Hooft-Susskind hologram conjecture, that implies that we
are 3D animated conscious hologram images, is satisfied with the 2D
hologram as our observer-dependent future event horizon of about
10^122 Bekenstein-Hawking BITs as partially explained in the 2004
Ph.D. dissertation of Tamara Davis. In this model the dark energy
density from our future horizon ~ (area of the horizon)^-1 is the
Planck energy density cut down by the factor of ~ 10^122 . This,
however requires the reintroduction of Wheeler-Feynman-Hoyle-Narlikar
retro-causality in the sense of John Cramer's "transactional
interpretation" supplemented by Antony Valentini's "signal
nonlocality" violation of orthodox quantum theory's unitarity
postulate. The Bohm hidden variable intepretation is needed to make
sense of the latter statement.
>
> -Are there any superlatives you could use in describing your
> research? (first, largest, smallest, fastest, strongest, hottest,
> coldest, best, etc.)

first, weirdest
>
> - Do you have any attractive graphics or video that we could share
> with members of the media to help illustrate the research you will
> be presenting at the April meeting? (Even if you feel your research
> is not newsworthy, we would appreciate seeing any interesting
> graphics and videos you might have.)
Images from Tamara Davis's 2004 dissertation University of New South
Wales Figs 1.1 & 5.1
>
> -What funding sources supported your research?

Private
>
> Some of you might be wondering when your presentations have been
> scheduled. The APS Meetings Department is working very hard to
> schedule the sessions and the April Meeting Program Committee is
> currently reviewing the program and making changes. You'll receive
> your session assignment on or about November 30.
>
> Thank you for your time. I can't guarantee that we will be able to
> respond to everyone, but we will read every email we receive. I
> look forward to learning about your research.
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> James Riordon
> Media Relations
> American Physical Society
>
>

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#14593 From: JACK SARFATTI <Sarfatti@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:28 pm
Subject: Re: New GRG Test This Friday 		jacobsarfatti
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thanks


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#14592 From: JACK SARFATTI <Sarfatti@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:27 am
Subject: Re: John Cramer & Woodward nonlocalizable gravity energy & EEP "Frontiers of Propulsion Science" - 		jacobsarfatti
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Please change your address books to include
because
sarfatti@... may be dead on Dec 1.

see attached pdf v1 as a partial answer to Zielinski's not even wrong allegation about both Einstein's theory and my position on Einstein's theory.


On Nov 10, 2009, at 7:40 PM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:

do it in word
save it as pdf
that's what I am doing now
:-)
On Nov 10, 2009, at 7:26 PM, Woodward, James wrote:

I can't get anything like an equation editor to work in Outlook.  Rather than forego a little matn, I'll do a page or two in Word addressing the EEP, Mach's principle, and energy localization.  Sorry to be so long about this.
From: JACK SARFATTI [sarfatti@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 2:31 PM
To: Sarfatti_Physics_Seminars
Cc: SarfattiScienceSeminars@YahooGroups. com
Subject: John Cramer & Woodward nonlocalizable gravity energy & EEP "Frontiers of Propulsion Science" -

Thanks for the clarification James. I need to think about this. The EEP is very profound with many facets.

Let's take a uniformly accelerating test particle in globally flat Minkowski space-time with zero intrinsic curvature

The coordinates of the accelerating particle (from a non-gravity force) in the slow speed v/c << 1 Galilean limit are

x' = x - (1/2)gt^2

t' = t

gt/c << 1

can ignore y & z

dx = dx' + gt'dt'

dt = dt'

ds^2 = c^2dt^2 - dx^2 = c^2dt'^2 - (dx' + gt'dt')^2

= c^2(1 - (gt'/c)^2)dt^2 - 2gt'dtdx - dx'^2

there is a gravimagnetic field of gtx = 2gt'/c in this LNIF

There is an effective non-static Newtonian gravity potential energy per unit test particle

VNewton ~ (1/2)(gt')^2

Is there a Newtonian gravity force on the test particle in this slow speed approximation?

t'^2 = 2(x - x')/g

VNewton ~ (1/2)(gt')^2 = g(x - x')

Newton's universal gravity force per unit test particle = -dVNewton/dx' = g

so the calculation is self-consistent.

Now according to the EEP

the test particle mass should change continuously from m to

M = m(1 + VNewton/c^2) ~ m(1 + g(x - x')/c)

Of course energy is being pumped into the particle from the work done by the non-gravity force - so this change of mass is what one expects from special relativity - everything seems consistent.






Begin forwarded message:

From: "Woodward, James" <jwoodward@...>
Date: November 5, 2009 11:15:21 AM PST
To: "'JACK SARFATTI'" <sarfatti@...>
Subject: RE: "Frontiers of Propulsion Science" - Hey guys I found something else - surprising

Thanks.  By the way, you'll find a brief discussion of the EEP and gravitational energy localization in the notes to pp 39 and 40 for the PDF version of the presentation I gave at John Cramer's 75th birthday symposium.  (It's on the symposium website.)  Brans (in 1962) was correcting Einstein's claim (in 1921) that "spectator" masses (nearby mass concentrations) contribute to the gravitational potential energy, and thus the mass, of objects -- whereas the EEP requires that the total gravitational potential be a locally measured invariant to keep this from happening (and completely screwing up GR).  If localizable, local gravity fields change the masses of things -- and accelerations don't -- gravity and accelerations can be discriminated as Brans describes and the EP (E or otherwise) is false.

From: JACK SARFATTI [mailto:sarfatti@...] 
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 5:15 AM
To: Woodward, James

Subject: Fwd: "Frontiers of Propulsion Science" - Hey guys I found something else - surprising

Begin forwarded message:

Date: November 4, 2009 7:12:02 PM PST
Subject: Re: "Frontiers of Propulsion Science" - Hey guys I found something else - surprising

The book is right on with the chapters I mentioned earlier -- see attached excellent chapter!
Gary


In a message dated 10/16/09 3:52:45, sarfatti@... writes:


http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Unified-Field-Philadelphia-Experiment/dp/1931882843/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_b
look at table of contents - very similar to what we were trying to 
check out at Joe Firmage's ISSO
book not as flaky as its cover - but probably wrong in the end
On Oct 16, 2009, at 3:46 AM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:

>
>> On Oct 15, 2009, at 5:01 PM, ... wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>  http://www.amazon.com/dp/1563479567/?tag=fourmilabwwwfour
>>>
>








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#14591 From: JACK SARFATTI <adastra1@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:05 am
Subject: Re: Today's San Jose Mercury News 		adastra1@...
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yeah it's good.
On Nov 10, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Michael Sarfatti wrote:

Now THAT"S funny! ;-)

Jack - your turn. Hard to beat.

From: nick herbert <quanta@...>
To: JACK SARFATTI <adastra1@...>

Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 5:37:43 PM
Subject: Today's San Jose Mercury News



Mere Coincidence? I think not.




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#14590 From: JACK SARFATTI <adastra1@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:40 am
Subject: Re: Today's San Jose Mercury News 		adastra1@...
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nice photoshop work Nick
On Nov 10, 2009, at 5:37 PM, nick herbert wrote:

>
>
> Mere Coincidence? I think not.
>
> <RadicalCleric.jpg>

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#14589 From: JACK SARFATTI <Sarfatti@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:05 am
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    On Nov 10, 2009, at 5:37 PM, nick herbert wrote:



    Mere Coincidence? I think not.

    Right it's your misinformation. Impressive photoshop Nick. Have you tried printing counterfeit money yet? ;-)




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      #14588 From: JACK SARFATTI <Sarfatti@...>
      Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:41 pm
      Subject: Re: Wormhole Spaces Space-Time & Beyond Dr. Quantum       		jacobsarfatti
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      this basic idea wormholes/EPR link is in Space-Time and Beyond 1974
      will scan relevant passages 
      On Nov 10, 2009, at 10:40 AM, art wagner wrote:

      ... to explain BH Entropy, Holography & Entanglement:http://xxx.lanl.gov/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0910/0910.4017v1.pdf 


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      #14587 From: JACK SARFATTI <Sarfatti@...>
      Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:13 pm
      Subject: Re: Science Moles       		jacobsarfatti
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      I am the Alpha and the Zeta Omega - the Feynman Zig-Zag Man of the Cosmic Transaction
      I am The Once and Future Madhi Man
      I AM WHAT I AM.
      popeye.gif

      On Nov 10, 2009, at 12:36 PM, nick herbert wrote:

      Is Achmed Zarafat the mysterious "AZ"
      implicated in secret NSA reports concerned
      about Waziristan Taliban designing first non-Western
      Emergent Gravity Bomb (EGB) using hijacked USA tech?
      And against whom will first Islamic tactical black hole (TBH) be detonated?
      Whatever the answer you can be certain that 
      you will hear nothing about the alleged AZ/Waziristan connection on Fox News.





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      #14586 From: JACK SARFATTI <Sarfatti@...>
      Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:07 pm
      Subject: Fwd: New books reviewed by Physics Today       		jacobsarfatti
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      Begin forwarded message:

      From: "Physics Today" <pt@...>
      Date: November 10, 2009 8:36:19 AM PST
      To: Jack Sarfatti <sarfatti@...>
      Subject: New books reviewed by Physics Today
      Reply-To: <pt@...>

      November 2009
        

      Elsevier

      Take a break and view the latest books reviewed in the pages of PHYSICS TODAY. Grab a latt and see what's new.


       

      Fermilab: Physics, the Frontier, and Megascience 
      U. Chicago Press, Chicago, 2008. $45.00 (497 pp.). ISBN 978-0-226-34623-6
      Lillian Hoddeson, Adrienne W. Kolb, Catherine Westfall
      Reviewed by Charles Thorpe

      Charles Thorpe is an associate professor in the department of sociology and a member of the science studies program at the University of California, San Diego. He is author of Oppenheimer: The Tragic Intellect (University of Chicago Press, 2006).

      Collider: The Search for the World's Smallest Particles
      Wiley, Hoboken, NJ, 2009. $27.95 (260 pp.). ISBN 978-0-470-28620-3
      Paul Halpern
      Reviewed by Tom Ferbel

      Entropy and the Time Evolution of Macroscopic Systems
      Oxford U. Press, New York, 2008. $110.00 (209 pp.). ISBN 978-0-19-954617-6
      Walter T. Grandy Jr
      Reviewed by Peter Salamon

      Boulevard of Broken Symmetries: Effective Field Theories of Condensed Matter 
      World Scientific, Hackensack, NJ, 2008. $79.00 (390 pp.). ISBN 978-981-281-390-9
      Adriaan M. J. Schakel
      Reviewed by Piers Coleman

      Theoretical Femtosecond Physics: Atoms and Molecules in Strong Laser Fields 
      Springer, Berlin, 2008. $149.95 (214 pp.). ISBN 978-3-540-77896-7
      Frank Grossmann
      Reviewed by Franz X. Krtner

       

      Guzik

       

      The Day We Found the Universe
      Marcia Bartusiak, Reviewed by Robert Kirshner
      Pantheon Books, New York, 2009. $27.95 (3377 pp.). ISBN 978-0-375-42429-8

      Discovering the Expanding Universe
      Harry Nussbaumer and Lydia Bieri, Reviewed by Robert Kirshner
      Cambridge U. Press, New York, 2009. $59.00 (226 pp.). ISBN 978-0-521-51484-2

      The Strangest Man: The Hidden Life of Paul Dirac, Mystic of the Atom
      Graham Farmelo, Reviewed by Babak Ashrafi
      Basic Books, New York, 2009. $29.95 (512 pp.). ISBN 978-0-571-22278-0

      The Sun Recorded Through History: Scientific Data Extracted from Historical Documents
      J.M. Vaquero and M. Vsquez, Reviewed by Paul Charbonneau
      Springer, New York, 2009. $179.00 (382 pp.). ISBN 978-0-387-92789-3

      General Relativity and the Einstein Equations
      Yvonne Choquet-Bruhat, Reviewed by Kayll Lake
      Oxford U. Press, New York, 2009. $130.00 (840 pp.). ISBN 978-0-19-923072-3

      CRC Press

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      #14585 From: JACK SARFATTI <Sarfatti@...>
      Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:37 am
      Subject: A private buffoom       		jacobsarfatti
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      this is the pro-version
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDDmFf59VIc
      On Nov 9, 2009, at 5:35 PM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:

      Yes, you are right O Great One.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdU25U8CeT8

      On Nov 9, 2009, at 4:33 PM, nick herbert wrote:

      Good thinking, Achmed.
      We pretend
      is just farce.


      On Nov 9, 2009, at 3:07 PM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwczIc4FNV0&feature=video_response
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6C2Ufs5afM&annotation_id=annotation_857522&feature=iv

      On Nov 9, 2009, at 2:57 PM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:

      more relevant perhaps
      <default.jpg>
      3:15
      From 1929....Silly ...........Dance Number
      13,316 views
      perfectjazz78
      <default.jpg>
      0:09
      Shaw & Lee
      2,107 views
      vinphizz
      <default.jpg>
      2:37
      Great duo does a Vaudeville act. - 1930
      8,154 views
      perfectjazz78
      <default.jpg>
      2:49
      Vaudeville Act: Lowe, Hite and Stanley
      30,843 views
      CineGraphic
      <default.jpg>
      2:55
      Yiddish Hillbillies
      118,671 views
      CineGraphic
      <default.jpg>
      5:20
      One of a Kind Vaudeville Collection at UA
      7,958 views
      On Nov 9, 2009, at 2:48 PM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:


      On Nov 9, 2009, at 2:41 PM, nick herbert wrote:

      Salaam, fellow Moor.
      Trust in Allah
      But tie your camel.

      by the balls!

      funny scene about that in Men Who Stare at Goats!

      How about Women Who Stare at Goatees?
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZo4imTt4Og


      On Nov 9, 2009, at 11:53 AM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:


      On Nov 8, 2009, at 11:47 PM, nick herbert wrote:

      Schwartzie has his Islam teachers;
      Jabir's sheik is Hakim Bey
      From whom does Dr Sarafat
      claim his lineage?

      Soloman ha-Zarfati aka Rashi de Troyes - see Holy Blood, Holy Grail by Lincoln & Baginet 

      The Sephardic Jews have a rich history with Islam.

      PS Istanbul seemed very familiar - like memories of a former life there. Young men on crowded trams in rush hour gave me their seats more than once calling me "Professor". Food is great in Istanbul.

      "Sarfatti" in Hebrew means "the Frenchman"


      1. Rashi de Troyes

        "I have traced your family tree back a thousand years to Rashi de Troyes. My name is David Padwa." Padwa told me a little about the great French Rabbi. ...
        www.qedcorp.com/pcr/pcr/rashi.html - Cached - Similar - 

      2. The Parsifal Effect

        Sharon, Michel and I took a long walk from a party near the Bois De Boulogne ... ancestorRashi de Troyes 24 (1040-1105) played a role in their formation. ...
        www.qedcorp.com/pcr/pcr/parsifal.html - Cached - Similar - 

      3. Rashi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

        Rashi was an only child born at Troyes, Champagne, in northern France. .... De Lyra's book was consulted in preparing the important early (1611) English ...
        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashi - Cached - Similar - 

      4. RASHI DE TROYES - Encyclopédie Universalis

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        Après avoir étudié dans les académies juives de Worms et de Mayence, Salomon ben Isaac, dit Rachi (ou Rashi), vit à Troyes où, dit-on, tout en soignant sa ...
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        by Norman Golb - 1985 - History - 475 pages
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      6. Destiny's Oracle: The real Da Vinci Code - Knights Templars - 2012 ...

        The real Da Vinci Code - Knights Templars - 2012 - Secret societies - UFO's - Part 4. A little bit more about Rashi de Troyes Rashi was a rabbi from France, ...
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        Información del artículo Rashi de Troyes, nueve siglos de historia y leyenda.
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        On Nov 8, 2009, at 4:01 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:

        Dr Sultan Sarafat


        Nick Herbert's alter ego is Dr Jabir










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        #14584 From: JACK SARFATTI <Sarfatti@...>
        Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:35 am
        Subject: Re: Don't miss these         		jacobsarfatti
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        Yes, you are right O Great One.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdU25U8CeT8

        On Nov 9, 2009, at 4:33 PM, nick herbert wrote:

        Good thinking, Achmed.
        We pretend
        is just farce.


        On Nov 9, 2009, at 3:07 PM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwczIc4FNV0&feature=video_response
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6C2Ufs5afM&annotation_id=annotation_857522&feature=iv

        On Nov 9, 2009, at 2:57 PM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:

        more relevant perhaps
        <default.jpg>
        3:15
        From 1929....Silly ...........Dance Number
        13,316 views
        perfectjazz78
        <default.jpg>
        0:09
        Shaw & Lee
        2,107 views
        vinphizz
        <default.jpg>
        2:37
        Great duo does a Vaudeville act. - 1930
        8,154 views
        perfectjazz78
        <default.jpg>
        2:49
        Vaudeville Act: Lowe, Hite and Stanley
        30,843 views
        CineGraphic
        <default.jpg>
        2:55
        Yiddish Hillbillies
        118,671 views
        CineGraphic
        <default.jpg>
        5:20
        One of a Kind Vaudeville Collection at UA
        7,958 views
        On Nov 9, 2009, at 2:48 PM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:


        On Nov 9, 2009, at 2:41 PM, nick herbert wrote:

        Salaam, fellow Moor.
        Trust in Allah
        But tie your camel.

        by the balls!

        funny scene about that in Men Who Stare at Goats!

        How about Women Who Stare at Goatees?
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZo4imTt4Og


        On Nov 9, 2009, at 11:53 AM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:


        On Nov 8, 2009, at 11:47 PM, nick herbert wrote:

        Schwartzie has his Islam teachers;
        Jabir's sheik is Hakim Bey
        From whom does Dr Sarafat
        claim his lineage?

        Soloman ha-Zarfati aka Rashi de Troyes - see Holy Blood, Holy Grail by Lincoln & Baginet 

        The Sephardic Jews have a rich history with Islam.

        PS Istanbul seemed very familiar - like memories of a former life there. Young men on crowded trams in rush hour gave me their seats more than once calling me "Professor". Food is great in Istanbul.

        "Sarfatti" in Hebrew means "the Frenchman"


        1. Rashi de Troyes

          "I have traced your family tree back a thousand years to Rashi de Troyes. My name is David Padwa." Padwa told me a little about the great French Rabbi. ...
          www.qedcorp.com/pcr/pcr/rashi.html - Cached - Similar - 

        2. The Parsifal Effect

          Sharon, Michel and I took a long walk from a party near the Bois De Boulogne ... ancestorRashi de Troyes 24 (1040-1105) played a role in their formation. ...
          www.qedcorp.com/pcr/pcr/parsifal.html - Cached - Similar - 

        3. Rashi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

          Rashi was an only child born at Troyes, Champagne, in northern France. .... De Lyra's book was consulted in preparing the important early (1611) English ...
          en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashi - Cached - Similar - 

        4. RASHI DE TROYES - Encyclopédie Universalis

           - [ Translate this page ]
          Après avoir étudié dans les académies juives de Worms et de Mayence, Salomon ben Isaac, dit Rachi (ou Rashi), vit à Troyes où, dit-on, tout en soignant sa ...
          www.universalis.fr/encyclopedie/.../RASHI_DE_TROYES.htm - Similar - 

        5. Les Juifs de Rouen au Moyen Age: portrait d'une culture oubliée - Google Books Result

          by Norman Golb - 1985 - History - 475 pages
          A partir de 1483, la famille Soncino commença à imprimer des traités individuels du Talmudde Babylone 82 avec les commentaires de Rashi et les ...
          books.google.com/books?isbn=2902618638... - 

        6. Destiny's Oracle: The real Da Vinci Code - Knights Templars - 2012 ...

          The real Da Vinci Code - Knights Templars - 2012 - Secret societies - UFO's - Part 4. A little bit more about Rashi de Troyes Rashi was a rabbi from France, ...
          destiny-destinysoracle.blogspot.com/.../real-da-vinci-code-knights-templars_ 26.html -Cached - Similar - 

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          So was my alleged ancestor Rashi de Troyes. Merlin could entangle with the Eagle in flight and experience what the Eagle experienced looking down. ...
          www.stardrive.org/Jack/history.html - Cached - Similar - 

        8. Rachi - Wikipédia

           - [ Translate this page ]
          Jump to Le commentaire de Rachi‎: La petite histoire veut que Rachi ait eu l'idée de son ...avec une anecdote vécue à Troyes ((qui est une ville marchande, ... Rashi employait fréquemment dans ses commentaires les quatre sens ...
          fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachi - Cached - Similar - 

        9. Rashi de Troyes, nueve siglos de historia y leyenda - Dialnet

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          Información del artículo Rashi de Troyes, nueve siglos de historia y leyenda.
          dialnet.unirioja.es/servlet/articulo?codigo=2468094 - Similar - 
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          On Nov 8, 2009, at 4:01 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:

          Dr Sultan Sarafat


          Nick Herbert's alter ego is Dr Jabir









          Reply | Forward | Messages in this Topic (9)
          #14583 From: JACK SARFATTI <Sarfatti@...>
          Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 11:07 pm
          Subject: Don't miss these           		jacobsarfatti
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          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwczIc4FNV0&feature=video_response
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6C2Ufs5afM&annotation_id=annotation_857522&feature=iv

          On Nov 9, 2009, at 2:57 PM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:

          more relevant perhaps
          <default.jpg>
          3:15
          From 1929....Silly ...........Dance Number
          13,316 views
          perfectjazz78
          <default.jpg>
          0:09
          Shaw & Lee
          2,107 views
          vinphizz
          <default.jpg>
          2:37
          Great duo does a Vaudeville act. - 1930
          8,154 views
          perfectjazz78
          <default.jpg>
          2:49
          Vaudeville Act: Lowe, Hite and Stanley
          30,843 views
          CineGraphic
          <default.jpg>
          2:55
          Yiddish Hillbillies
          118,671 views
          CineGraphic
          <default.jpg>
          5:20
          One of a Kind Vaudeville Collection at UA
          7,958 views
          On Nov 9, 2009, at 2:48 PM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:


          On Nov 9, 2009, at 2:41 PM, nick herbert wrote:

          Salaam, fellow Moor.
          Trust in Allah
          But tie your camel.

          by the balls!

          funny scene about that in Men Who Stare at Goats!

          How about Women Who Stare at Goatees?
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZo4imTt4Og


          On Nov 9, 2009, at 11:53 AM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:


          On Nov 8, 2009, at 11:47 PM, nick herbert wrote:

          Schwartzie has his Islam teachers;
          Jabir's sheik is Hakim Bey
          From whom does Dr Sarafat
          claim his lineage?

          Soloman ha-Zarfati aka Rashi de Troyes - see Holy Blood, Holy Grail by Lincoln & Baginet 

          The Sephardic Jews have a rich history with Islam.

          PS Istanbul seemed very familiar - like memories of a former life there. Young men on crowded trams in rush hour gave me their seats more than once calling me "Professor". Food is great in Istanbul.

          "Sarfatti" in Hebrew means "the Frenchman"


          1. Rashi de Troyes

            "I have traced your family tree back a thousand years to Rashi de Troyes. My name is David Padwa." Padwa told me a little about the great French Rabbi. ...
            www.qedcorp.com/pcr/pcr/rashi.html - Cached - Similar - 

          2. The Parsifal Effect

            Sharon, Michel and I took a long walk from a party near the Bois De Boulogne ... ancestorRashi de Troyes 24 (1040-1105) played a role in their formation. ...
            www.qedcorp.com/pcr/pcr/parsifal.html - Cached - Similar - 

          3. Rashi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

            Rashi was an only child born at Troyes, Champagne, in northern France. .... De Lyra's book was consulted in preparing the important early (1611) English ...
            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashi - Cached - Similar - 

          4. RASHI DE TROYES - Encyclopédie Universalis

             - [ Translate this page ]
            Après avoir étudié dans les académies juives de Worms et de Mayence, Salomon ben Isaac, dit Rachi (ou Rashi), vit à Troyes où, dit-on, tout en soignant sa ...
            www.universalis.fr/encyclopedie/.../RASHI_DE_TROYES.htm - Similar - 

          5. Les Juifs de Rouen au Moyen Age: portrait d'une culture oubliée - Google Books Result

            by Norman Golb - 1985 - History - 475 pages
            A partir de 1483, la famille Soncino commença à imprimer des traités individuels du Talmudde Babylone 82 avec les commentaires de Rashi et les ...
            books.google.com/books?isbn=2902618638... - 

          6. Destiny's Oracle: The real Da Vinci Code - Knights Templars - 2012 ...

            The real Da Vinci Code - Knights Templars - 2012 - Secret societies - UFO's - Part 4. A little bit more about Rashi de Troyes Rashi was a rabbi from France, ...
            destiny-destinysoracle.blogspot.com/.../real-da-vinci-code-knights-templars_ 26.html -Cached - Similar - 

          7. The Meaning of History

            So was my alleged ancestor Rashi de Troyes. Merlin could entangle with the Eagle in flight and experience what the Eagle experienced looking down. ...
            www.stardrive.org/Jack/history.html - Cached - Similar - 

          8. Rachi - Wikipédia

             - [ Translate this page ]
            Jump to Le commentaire de Rachi‎: La petite histoire veut que Rachi ait eu l'idée de son ...avec une anecdote vécue à Troyes ((qui est une ville marchande, ... Rashi employait fréquemment dans ses commentaires les quatre sens ...
            fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachi - Cached - Similar - 

          9. Rashi de Troyes, nueve siglos de historia y leyenda - Dialnet

             - [ Translate this page ]
            Información del artículo Rashi de Troyes, nueve siglos de historia y leyenda.
            dialnet.unirioja.es/servlet/articulo?codigo=2468094 - Similar - 
            by L Futoransky - 2005

          10. UFO's - The real Da Vinci Code - 2012 - Knights Templars , page 1

            17 posts - 2 authors - Last post: Oct 12, 2008
            “Sarfatti” means the “Frenchman” first applied by the medieval Jews in Germany to Rashi de Troyes (1040-1105) AKA Solomon ha-Zarfati - the ...
            www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread415259/pg1 - Cached - Similar - 



            On Nov 8, 2009, at 4:01 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:

            Dr Sultan Sarafat


            Nick Herbert's alter ego is Dr Jabir







            Reply | Forward | Messages in this Topic (9)
            #14582 From: JACK SARFATTI <adastra1@...>
            Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 10:57 pm
            Subject: Re: Dr Jabir's Arch Rival?             		adastra1@...
            Send Email Send Email
             
            more relevant perhaps
            From 1929....Silly ...........Dance Number
            3:15
            From 1929....Silly ...........Dance Number
            13,316 views
            perfectjazz78
            Shaw & Lee
            0:09
            Shaw & Lee
            2,107 views
            vinphizz
            Great duo does a Vaudeville act. - 1930
            2:37
            Great duo does a Vaudeville act. - 1930
            8,154 views
            perfectjazz78
            Vaudeville Act: Lowe, Hite and Stanley
            2:49
            Vaudeville Act: Lowe, Hite and Stanley
            30,843 views
            CineGraphic
            Yiddish Hillbillies
            2:55
            Yiddish Hillbillies
            118,671 views
            CineGraphic
            One of a Kind Vaudeville Collection at UA
            5:20
            One of a Kind Vaudeville Collection at UA
            7,958 views
            On Nov 9, 2009, at 2:48 PM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:


            On Nov 9, 2009, at 2:41 PM, nick herbert wrote:

            Salaam, fellow Moor.
            Trust in Allah
            But tie your camel.

            by the balls!

            funny scene about that in Men Who Stare at Goats!

            How about Women Who Stare at Goatees?
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZo4imTt4Og


            On Nov 9, 2009, at 11:53 AM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:


            On Nov 8, 2009, at 11:47 PM, nick herbert wrote:

            Schwartzie has his Islam teachers;
            Jabir's sheik is Hakim Bey
            From whom does Dr Sarafat
            claim his lineage?

            Soloman ha-Zarfati aka Rashi de Troyes - see Holy Blood, Holy Grail by Lincoln & Baginet 

            The Sephardic Jews have a rich history with Islam.

            PS Istanbul seemed very familiar - like memories of a former life there. Young men on crowded trams in rush hour gave me their seats more than once calling me "Professor". Food is great in Istanbul.

            "Sarfatti" in Hebrew means "the Frenchman"


            1. Rashi de Troyes

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              On Nov 8, 2009, at 4:01 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:

              Dr Sultan Sarafat


              Nick Herbert's alter ego is Dr Jabir






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              #14581 From: JACK SARFATTI <Sarfatti@...>
              Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 10:48 pm
              Subject: Re: Dr Jabir's Arch Rival?               		jacobsarfatti
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              On Nov 9, 2009, at 2:41 PM, nick herbert wrote:

              Salaam, fellow Moor.
              Trust in Allah
              But tie your camel.

              by the balls!

              funny scene about that in Men Who Stare at Goats!

              How about Women Who Stare at Goatees?
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZo4imTt4Og


              On Nov 9, 2009, at 11:53 AM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:


              On Nov 8, 2009, at 11:47 PM, nick herbert wrote:

              Schwartzie has his Islam teachers;
              Jabir's sheik is Hakim Bey
              From whom does Dr Sarafat
              claim his lineage?

              Soloman ha-Zarfati aka Rashi de Troyes - see Holy Blood, Holy Grail by Lincoln & Baginet 

              The Sephardic Jews have a rich history with Islam.

              PS Istanbul seemed very familiar - like memories of a former life there. Young men on crowded trams in rush hour gave me their seats more than once calling me "Professor". Food is great in Istanbul.

              "Sarfatti" in Hebrew means "the Frenchman"


              1. Rashi de Troyes

                "I have traced your family tree back a thousand years to Rashi de Troyes. My name is David Padwa." Padwa told me a little about the great French Rabbi. ...
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                Sharon, Michel and I took a long walk from a party near the Bois De Boulogne ... ancestorRashi de Troyes 24 (1040-1105) played a role in their formation. ...
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                by Norman Golb - 1985 - History - 475 pages
                A partir de 1483, la famille Soncino commença à imprimer des traités individuels du Talmudde Babylone 82 avec les commentaires de Rashi et les ...
                books.google.com/books?isbn=2902618638... - 

              6. Destiny's Oracle: The real Da Vinci Code - Knights Templars - 2012 ...

                The real Da Vinci Code - Knights Templars - 2012 - Secret societies - UFO's - Part 4. A little bit more about Rashi de Troyes Rashi was a rabbi from France, ...
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                On Nov 8, 2009, at 4:01 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:

                Dr Sultan Sarafat


                Nick Herbert's alter ego is Dr Jabir





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                #14580 From: JACK SARFATTI <Sarfatti@...>
                Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 10:08 pm
                Subject: Re: How Noise Can Help Quantum Entanglement                 		jacobsarfatti
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                On Nov 9, 2009, at 1:46 PM, ANTIGRAY@... wrote:

                How Noise Can Help Quantum Entanglement

                What spoils quantum entanglement can also restore it
                November 2009 Scientific American Magazine
                By George Musser
                November
                2009 Issue

                Wouldnt it be nice to be an electron? Then you, too, could take advantage of the marvels of quantum mechanics, such as being in two places at once

                That's not the way it works according to Bohm. The quantum potential is spread out, but the individual electron is always localized like Newton's hard massy marble. It's more subtle for the electromagnetic field however than for spinor particles.

                very handy for juggling the competing demands of modern life. Alas, physicists have long spoiled the fantasy by saying that quantum mechanics applies only to microscopic things.

                Yet that is a myth. In the modern view that has gained traction in the past decade, you dont see quantum effects in everyday life not because you are big, per se, but because those effects are camouflaged by their own sheer complexity. They are there if you know how to look, and physicists have been realizing that they show up in the macroscopic world more than they thought. The standard arguments may be too pessimistic as to the survival of quantum effects, says Nobel laureate physicist Anthony Leggett of the University of Illinois.

                In the most distinctive such effect, called entanglement, two electrons establish a kind of telepathic link that transcends space and time. And not just electrons: you, too, retain a quantum bond with your loved ones that endures no matter how far apart you may be. If that sounds hopelessly romantic, the flip side is that particles are incurably promiscuous, hooking up with every other particle they meet. So you also retain a quantum bond with every loser who ever bumped into you on the street and every air molecule that ever brushed your skin. The bonds you want are overwhelmed by those you dont. Entanglement thus foils entanglement, a process known as decoherence.

                To preserve entanglement for use in, say, quantum computers, physicists use all the tactics of a parent trying to control a teenagers love life, such as isolating the particle from its environment or chaperoning the particle and undoing any undesired entanglements. And they typically have about as much success. But if you cant beat the environment, why not use it? The environment can act more positively, says physicist Vlatko Vedral of the National University of Singapore and the University of Oxford.

                One approach has been suggested by Jianming Cai and Hans J. Briegel of the Institute for Quantum Optics and Quantum Information in Innsbruck, Austria, and Sandu Popescu of the University of Bristol in England. Suppose you have a V-shaped molecule you can open and close like a pair of tweezers. When the molecule closes, two electrons on the tips become entangled. If you just keep them there, the electrons will eventually decohere as particles from the environment bombard them, and you will have no way to reestablish entanglement.

                This is similar to the single electrons in the protein dimers model for consciousness suggested by Hameroff & discussed by Roger Penrose.
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                The answer is to open up the molecule and, counterintuitively, leave the electrons even more exposed to the environment. In this position, decoherence resets the electrons back to a default, lowest-energy state. Then you can close the molecule again and reestablish entanglement afresh. If you open and close fast enough, it is as though the entanglement was never broken. The team calls this dynamic entanglement, as opposed to the static kind that endures as long as you can isolate the system from bombardment. The oscillation notwithstanding, the researchers say dynamic entanglement can do everything the static sort can.

                A different approach uses a group of particles that act collectively as one. Because of the groups internal dynamics, it can have multiple default, or equilibrium, states, corresponding to different but comparably energetic arrangements. A quantum computer can store data in these equilibrium states rather than in individual particles. This approach, first proposed a decade ago by Alexei Kitaev, then at the Landau Institute for Theoretical Physics in Russia, is known as passive error correction, because it does not require physicists to supervise the particles actively. If the group deviates from equilibrium, the environment does the work of pushing it back. Only when the temperature is high enough does the environment disrupt rather than stabilize the group. The environment both adds errors as well as removes them, says Michal Horodecki of the University of Gdansk in Poland.

                The trick is to make sure it removes faster than it adds. Horodecki, Hctor Bombn of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and their colleagues recently devised such a setup, but for geometric reasons it would require higher spatial dimensions. Several other recent papers make do with ordinary space; instead of relying on higher geometry, they thread the system with force fields to tilt the balance toward error removal. But these systems may not be able to perform general computation. This work suggests that, contrary to conventional wisdom, entanglement can persist in large, warm systemsincluding living organisms. This opens the door to the possibility that entanglement could play a role in, or be a resource for, biological systems, says Mohan Sarovar of the University of California, Berkeley, who recently found that entanglement may aid photosynthesis [see Chlorophyll Power , by Michael Moyer; Scientific American, September 2009]. In the magnetism-sensitive molecule that birds may use as compasses, Vedral, Elisabeth Rieper, also at Singapore, and their colleagues discovered that electrons manage to remain entangled 10 to 100 times longer than the standard formulas predict. So although we may not be electrons, living things can still take advantage of their wonderful quantumness. Note: This article was originally printed with the title, "Easy Go, Easy Come.

                http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=easy-go-easy-come


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                #14579 From: JACK SARFATTI <Sarfatti@...>
                Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 8:33 pm
                Subject: Re: Dr Jabir's Arch Rival? Schwartzie                 		jacobsarfatti
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                On Nov 9, 2009, at 12:12 PM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:

                Nick
                ask Martin Dunn

                On Nov 9, 2009, at 11:53 AM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:


                On Nov 8, 2009, at 11:47 PM, nick herbert wrote:

                Schwartzie has his Islam teachers;

                http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/1997/08/17/SC46892.DTL

                Jabir's sheik is Hakim Bey
                From whom does Dr Sarafat
                claim his lineage?

                Soloman ha-Zarfati aka Rashi de Troyes - see Holy Blood, Holy Grail by Lincoln & Baginet 

                The Sephardic Jews have a rich history with Islam.

                PS Istanbul seemed very familiar - like memories of a former life there. Young men on crowded trams in rush hour gave me their seats more than once calling me "Professor". Food is great in Istanbul.

                "Sarfatti" in Hebrew means "the Frenchman"


                1. Rashi de Troyes

                  "I have traced your family tree back a thousand years to Rashi de Troyes. My name is David Padwa." Padwa told me a little about the great French Rabbi. ...
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                  On Nov 8, 2009, at 4:01 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:

                  Dr Sultan Sarafat


                  Nick Herbert's alter ego is Dr Jabir





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                  #14578 From: JACK SARFATTI <Sarfatti@...>
                  Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 8:12 pm
                  Subject: Re: Dr Jabir's Arch Rival?                   		jacobsarfatti
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                  On Nov 9, 2009, at 11:53 AM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:


                  On Nov 8, 2009, at 11:47 PM, nick herbert wrote:

                  Schwartzie has his Islam teachers;
                  Jabir's sheik is Hakim Bey
                  From whom does Dr Sarafat
                  claim his lineage?

                  Soloman ha-Zarfati aka Rashi de Troyes - see Holy Blood, Holy Grail by Lincoln & Baginet 

                  The Sephardic Jews have a rich history with Islam.

                  PS Istanbul seemed very familiar - like memories of a former life there. Young men on crowded trams in rush hour gave me their seats more than once calling me "Professor". Food is great in Istanbul.

                  "Sarfatti" in Hebrew means "the Frenchman"


                  1. Rashi de Troyes

                    "I have traced your family tree back a thousand years to Rashi de Troyes. My name is David Padwa." Padwa told me a little about the great French Rabbi. ...
                    www.qedcorp.com/pcr/pcr/rashi.html - Cached - Similar - 

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                    On Nov 8, 2009, at 4:01 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:

                    Dr Sultan Sarafat


                    Nick Herbert's alter ego is Dr Jabir




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                    #14577 From: JACK SARFATTI <Sarfatti@...>
                    Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 7:53 pm
                    Subject: Re: Dr Jabir's Arch Rival?                     		jacobsarfatti
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                    On Nov 8, 2009, at 11:47 PM, nick herbert wrote:

                    Schwartzie has his Islam teachers;
                    Jabir's sheik is Hakim Bey
                    From whom does Dr Sarafat
                    claim his lineage?

                    Soloman ha-Zarfati aka Rashi de Troyes - see Holy Blood, Holy Grail by Lincoln & Baginet 

                    The Sephardic Jews have a rich history with Islam.

                    PS Istanbul seemed very familiar - like memories of a former life there. Young men on crowded trams in rush hour gave me their seats more than once calling me "Professor". Food is great in Istanbul.

                    "Sarfatti" in Hebrew means "the Frenchman"


                    1. Rashi de Troyes

                      "I have traced your family tree back a thousand years to Rashi de Troyes. My name is David Padwa." Padwa told me a little about the great French Rabbi. ...
                      www.qedcorp.com/pcr/pcr/rashi.html - Cached - Similar - 

                    2. The Parsifal Effect

                      Sharon, Michel and I took a long walk from a party near the Bois De Boulogne ... ancestorRashi de Troyes 24 (1040-1105) played a role in their formation. ...
                      www.qedcorp.com/pcr/pcr/parsifal.html - Cached - Similar - 

                    3. Rashi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                      Rashi was an only child born at Troyes, Champagne, in northern France. .... De Lyra's book was consulted in preparing the important early (1611) English ...
                      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashi - Cached - Similar - 

                    4. RASHI DE TROYES - Encyclopédie Universalis

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                      Après avoir étudié dans les académies juives de Worms et de Mayence, Salomon ben Isaac, dit Rachi (ou Rashi), vit à Troyes où, dit-on, tout en soignant sa ...
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                      by Norman Golb - 1985 - History - 475 pages
                      A partir de 1483, la famille Soncino commença à imprimer des traités individuels du Talmudde Babylone 82 avec les commentaires de Rashi et les ...
                      books.google.com/books?isbn=2902618638... - 

                    6. Destiny's Oracle: The real Da Vinci Code - Knights Templars - 2012 ...

                      The real Da Vinci Code - Knights Templars - 2012 - Secret societies - UFO's - Part 4. A little bit more about Rashi de Troyes Rashi was a rabbi from France, ...
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                      On Nov 8, 2009, at 4:01 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:

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                      #14576 From: JACK SARFATTI <Sarfatti@...>
                      Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 3:05 am
                      Subject: Re: Knapp article on "Goats," etc. Will James Randi throw in the towel?                       		jacobsarfatti
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                      Thanks George :-)
                      On Nov 8, 2009, at 5:18 PM, George Knapp wrote:

                      Jack,

                      This is the TV story I wrote re "Goats". It aired in LV Friday night. A link is attached so you can see the video.

                      Regards,

                      GK


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                      From: George Knapp
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                      Subject: Knapp article on "Goats," etc.




                      *I-Team: The Real Men Who Stare at Goats*



                      By George Knapp

                      KLAS-TV, I-Team

                      LasVegasNow.com

                      Nov. 7, 2009



                       http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=11463450



                      Psychics, seers and spoon benders don't sound like the troops of tomorrow,
                      but for decades the U.S. military investigated all sorts of new age and
                      paranormal disciplines in order to create super soldiers.



                      Some of that research is outlined in a film, "The Men Who Stare at Goats."
                      And while the movie is a military satire, it's based on real people and real
                      events, some of them with Las Vegas ties.



                      Could psychic super soldiers kill goats just by staring at them? Sort of.



                      "There were goats killed. In my experience, it was with dim mak. In other
                      words, they hit the goat as opposed to just staring at it, but there was a
                      goat lab and the rationale for it, that is true," said Las Vegan Col. John
                      Alexander, retired Army intelligence                      . He knows more than most about the
                      legitimacy of the new film, "The Men Who Stare at Goats."



                      Alexander was an Army intelligence colonel who worked on programs to create
                      super soldiers and psychic spies.                       The impetus for the programs -- and now
                      the movie -- came from two sources. First, the fact that the Soviets had
                      their own psychic spy program. Second, the military needed something to
                      shake off the bad vibes from Vietnam, where Alexander commanded a Special
                      Forces unit.



                      "It was exactly like they say. The army was coming out of the doldrums,
                      Vietnam made it hollow. They were willing to look at anything and that was
                      part of what was going on at the time," Alexander said.



                      Another Vietnam vet who played a central role in the real programs is Jim
                      Channon,                       today a strategic planner based in Hawaii, but back then a would-be
                      super soldier who first had the idea of incorporating new age concepts into
                      military training                      .



                      Channon created what was known as the First Earth Battalion. It was more of
                      a think tank than an operational unit, and the concepts it explored were so
                      far out of the box, there was no box. Not all of them worked, but some did.
                      Remote viewing, for instance, the ability to project one's consciousness
                      through space and time was real and was studied by both the Army and CIA for
                      many years.



                      Paul Smith was one of the government's best psychic spies. He says remote
                      viewers got the first glimpse of a new Russian warhead.



                      "It was pretty accurately described, maybe not down to the detail a nuclear
                      physicist would want to know about what makes it work, but it was clearly a
                      multi-targeted re-entry vehicle, which is a warhead," said Smith, remote
                      viewer.



                      Another one was a Soviet phase array radar that was described and drawn.
                      Col. Alexander says one group of remote viewers ran a counter-intelligence
                      operation aimed at Nevada's impenetrable Area 51 classified base. The
                      psychics not only detected the F-117 stealth fighter, which did not
                      officially exist, but also the B-2 stealth bomber. It was a spooky moment
                      for the CIA.



                      *Reporter George Knapp:* "The other guys must have been floored?"



                      *Col. John Alexander:* "Scared. Because the point was, we understand
                      counterintelligence. We understand putting up programs to protect it, but
                      how do you protect against something like this?"



                      Alexander says he is one of an amalgam of real people who are the basis for
                      the George Clooney character in the film. Jim Channon is one of the
                      principal inspirations for the Jeff Bridges flower child and, yes, they did
                      delve into uses and effects of different drugs of the day.



                      Like most Hollywood offerings, the movie takes considerable liberties with
                      truth. Goats died, but not from staring. Rather it was from dim mak, the
                      death touch. As in the film, the real life programs were dismantled, though
                      the research continues in the private sector, where remote viewing books and
                      videos are hugely popular, and will likely grow more so if the movie is a
                      hit.



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