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Re: [SeaFunc] computer language comparisons (expressivity vs speed)

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:53 AM, Jonathan Leonard <johanatan@...> wrote:
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> Yes, but look good in terms of performance or code size? I'd prefer
> shorter easier to maintain codes with bottlenecks optimized away where
> required.

The benchmarks seem to be saying that some bottlenecks are not going
to be optimized away, at least not in the languages themselves. I
guess if one accepts a "drop to C" mentality for everything and
anything, it's not such a big deal, but the pain of debugging 2
languages has been noted by some.


Cheers,
Brandon Van Every



Tue Jun 2, 2009 1:50 pm

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Given our discussion of what makes a good language last meeting [and the general interest in language amongst FPers], I thought I'd share this quantitative...
Jonathan Leonard
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That is a really great visualization of the benchmarks game -- seems to really answer the question. Another question I would like to ask the benchmarks game...
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It does have its problems though. For one, it is at the mercy of each individual implementor and not all implementors are created equal in all languages. For...
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... I think it's important to remember that these programs were optimized for speed; very few of them, if any, are written the way one would normally write a ...
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... Good point. As I mentioned in another recent post it seems a bit disingenuous to use these programs as measures of 'expressivity' in that case. ... Yep,...
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... I think that's actually an interesting component to "The Game". Usually people writing in language X have an incentive to make their language look good. I...
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Yes, but look good in terms of performance or code size? I'd prefer shorter easier to maintain codes with bottlenecks optimized away where required. Given...
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P.S. If it weren't obvious from my last mail, I didn't realize that each 'language community' submitted its own codes. For some reason, I had figured there...
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... The benchmarks seem to be saying that some bottlenecks are not going to be optimized away, at least not in the languages themselves. I guess if one...
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I think one way to deal with the problem of high speed but ugly code would be to change the acceptance criterion. Instead of just keeping the fastest solution...
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