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Re: [Show-Control] Motherboard Raid

The fastest SATA drive on the planet as of a few months ago was the
Western Digital VelociRaptor 2.5" 10,000 RPM drive in their 3.5" packaging
for good thermal dissipation.

{o.o} Just an amusing little factoid considering your comment. {^_-}
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Hodkinson" <ctrl@...>
Sent: Friday, 2009/July/10 02:41


> Thank you
>
> Video was the application, speed reduction would be the biggest problem
> here.
>
> We have also found out that Dell use 2 x 2.5" drives when you select
> Motherboard raid which introduces heat and reliability problems in a
> relatively small case.
>
>
> Matt
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Application?
>
> It is not ideal for video uses that stress the disk, video presentation
> using multiple raw YUV 1080i files at once with live video composited with
> some CPU based video processing. The motherboad RAID uses bus cycles
> needed
> to perform the video processing and compositing. That is the chief "speed"
> issue. (I've had a real RAID controller vastly improve performance under
> that sort of a heavy bus loading situation with a three disk RAID5. It had
> well under 1/3 the CPU bus load based on calculating it out as well as
> measurably less load on the CPU
> itself.)
>
> Anything less extreme should survive the motherboard going away and being
> replaced with a new one that had the same model raid controller on it.
>
> Backups are still a required thing, or should be, whether or not you use
> raid, especially with really large disks in the array. Incidents are
> starting to happen that a really large RAID5 with three or more disks
> cannot
> be recovered simply because of bit error rate statistics. A terabyte disk
> has some 8 to 10 terabits of information, 10^10th. That is getting into
> the
> hard bit error range for the disks when you consider what has to be done
> to
> recover a RAID5. (I'm handwaving here. The actual reports have cycled
> through Slashdot. It's a REALLY good justification to take backups -
> repeatedly.) (I tend to backup the critical stuff between RAID5s on
> separate
> machines.)
>
> {^_^}
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Some correspondence I received for one of my specs called Motherboard Raid a very bad idea, this using on board Sata controller to create a Raid 1 array using...
Matt Hodkinson
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Jul 8, 2009
1:04 pm

... There are a number of cheap RAID controllers that are not really dedicated hardware RAID controllers and instead rely on OS driver- level software to...
Jordan Coleman
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Jul 8, 2009
2:02 pm

I have used Linux software RAID-5 for many years and can say that it has saved my data on a number of occasions - especially when I had a spate of drive...
Philip Nye
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Jul 8, 2009
2:40 pm

I use onboard raid in a 1+0 configuration for a 5 drive 1 terabyte system. It uses a fairly robust command line configurable Intel raid array controller with...
Corey Minion
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Jul 8, 2009
4:02 pm

Not having seen the spec or the feedback, it's hard for me to guess why it may be a good or bad idea. I don't think onboard RAID is, in itself, inherently bad....
Ken
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Jul 8, 2009
6:25 pm

You didnt say what level RAID or why it is being used. if it is just for speed and the computer is windows only go for it. If you want it for data protection,...
Greg
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Jul 8, 2009
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<ducks/> Amiga Amiga Amiga Bruce PS (Greg, if you're not a regular - inside joke, you half opened the platform can)...
Bruce Wheaton
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Jul 8, 2009
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I am a hardcore lurker :) and hate the idea of platform war. They are just tools. Its like saying the wrench is better than the screwdriver. I use windows mac...
Greg
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Jul 9, 2009
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Greg has a good point about needing to know what level RAID and why it is being used. (Level 1 you said in this case) An onboard controller is perfectly fine...
Matt Pelmear
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... Sheesh, Bruce - this doesn't open the platform war at all! The only time the Amiga provided any sort of RAID solution was if it was running UNIX or...
Charlie Richmond
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Jul 9, 2009
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Oh no, I was offering the magic incantation to quell any platform wars. It's become a group short-hand for 20 emails about which platform is better at X,...
Bruce Wheaton
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I only started with linux about 2 years ago now. I mainly use Ubuntu, and Puppy. its pretty amazing the flexability of a RAID array under linux. You can...
Greg
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Application? It is not ideal for video uses that stress the disk, video presentation using multiple raw YUV 1080i files at once with live video composited with...
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Jul 9, 2009
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Thank you Video was the application, speed reduction would be the biggest problem here. We have also found out that Dell use 2 x 2.5" drives when you select ...
Matt Hodkinson
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Jul 10, 2009
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From: "Charlie Richmond" <charlier@...> Sent: Wednesday, 2009/July/08 18:32 ... As a matter of fact I was "considering" RAID if Amiga had...
jdow
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The fastest SATA drive on the planet as of a few months ago was the Western Digital VelociRaptor 2.5" 10,000 RPM drive in their 3.5" packaging for good thermal...
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