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Re: [Slaviconlang] Cyrillic letters for /T/ and /D/

Pavel A. da Mek skrev:
>> How would you all react to a (non-Slavic) Cyrillic-based
>> alphabet using upside-down Cyrillic {s} and {z} for /T/
>> and /D/? The idea is that a 19th century alphabet maker
>> was able to turn existing lead types upside down to
>> create new symbols, but not to add diacritics or wholly
>> new shapes.
>
> What was easy for lead printers, that is not so easy for
> computer printers.

Indeed, and I've restricted/modified my proposed alphabet
and phonology accordingly to letters/sounds that can be
found in or faked with DejaVu, i.e. in addition to the now
usual Russian alphabet:

- /D/
- LATIN CAPITAL LETTER OPEN E
- LATIN SMALL LETTER OPEN E
- /T/
- LATIN CAPITAL LETTER OPEN O
- LATIN SMALL LETTER OPEN O
- /e/
- LATIN CAPITAL LETTER REVERSED E
- LATIN SMALL LETTER SCHWA
- /jE/
- CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER UKRAINIAN IE
- CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER UKRAINIAN IE
- /i/
- CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER BYELORUSSIAN-UKRAINIAN I
- CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER BYELORUSSIAN-UKRAINIAN I
- /j@/
- CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER YAT
- CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER YAT
- Hard sign is /@/!
- [g]
- MODIFIER LETTER APOSTROPHE + CYRILLIC CAPITAL
LETTER GHE
- MODIFIER LETTER APOSTROPHE + CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER GHE
- [g] is a word initial allophone of [N] which is
written with Cyrillic {ng} while {g} without an
apostrophe is /G/. Probably {'g} occurs in other
positions in loan words.
- There is a similar allophony with [d] /nd)/ and
[b] /mb)/ too, and the script is subphonemic in
these cases.
- /ji\/
- CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER SOFT SIGN + CYRILLIC
CAPITAL LETTER I
- CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER SOFT SIGN + CYRILLIC SMALL
LETTER I
- /ji/
- CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER SOFT SIGN + CYRILLIC CAPITAL
LETTER BYELORUSSIAN-UKRAINIAN I
- CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER SOFT SIGN + CYRILLIC SMALL
LETTER BYELORUSSIAN-UKRAINIAN I
- You guessed it, /i/ and /i\/ are written _modo
Ucrainico_!

Earlier versions of the alphabet included things like {nlx}
with hook and {iy} with diaeresis, which have had to go.
OTOH I'm annoyed at finding a good substitute for upside
down {r} where the lowercase really looks like an upside
down p, which I want for /4/ distinct from /r/.

The fictional setting is that a native improves an
orthography introduced by Russian missionaries, mainly by
using upside-down letters. The main exceptions are /@ j@ i
ji i\ ji\/ where redundancies in the existing 19th century
Russian letters were exploited instead. It may be noted that
{y} ends up unused!


/BP 8^)>
--
Benct Philip Jonsson -- melroch atte melroch dotte se
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"C'est en vain que nos Josués littéraires crient
à la langue de s'arrêter; les langues ni le soleil
ne s'arrêtent plus. Le jour où elles se *fixent*,
c'est qu'elles meurent." (Victor Hugo)



Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:09 am

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How would you all react to a (non-Slavic) Cyrillic-based alphabet using upside-down Cyrillic {s} and {z} for /T/ and /D/? The idea is that a 19th century...
Benct Philip Jonsson
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... What was easy for lead printers, that is not so easy for computer printers. I wonder why Unicode does not have an "upside-down modifier". For the...
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... Indeed, and I've restricted/modified my proposed alphabet and phonology accordingly to letters/sounds that can be found in or faked with DejaVu, i.e. in...
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