Hello, After some tinkering and playing around with my North Slavic conlang Vozgian, I've finally decided that it will have thirteen cases. First of all, there...
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regis977
Sep 10, 2003 12:10 pm
... which ... No, as far as I know. Each language has it own tradition. E.g. in Czech it is: nominative, genitive, dative, accusative, vocative, locative,...
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Jan van Steenbergen
ijzeren_jan
Sep 11, 2003 10:58 am
... True. Well, these are the "standard"; cases. For Vozgian I have: nominative, genitive, dative, accustive, instrumental, locative. I decided to list the ...
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Lukasz Korczewski
slavonic_luc...
Sep 11, 2003 5:16 pm
"regis977"; <regis977@...> ... AFAIK In European languages the traditional oder of cases is modelled on the old Latin grammars: Nom, Gen, Dat, Acc, Voc...
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Henrik Theiling
theiling@...
Sep 15, 2003 1:34 pm
Hi! ... Icelandic seems to use Noc, Acc, Dat, Gen for that reason (Nom and Acc are very similar, especially concerning umlaut phenomena). **Henrik...
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jjunttil@...
santerijunttila
Sep 16, 2003 10:35 am
I have experienced that in almost all the case-flectional IE languages some grammars have N(V)GDA(AblInstLoc) while some others (newer ones?) have N(V) ...
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regis977
Oct 8, 2003 2:34 pm
Hi there, I add too slight, but important, features to historical grammar of Nashica, into the part of phonetical changes. 1) geminate -tt- and -dt- extinction...
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Jan van Steenbergen
ijzeren_jan
Oct 8, 2003 7:57 pm
... Interesting! Perhaps I could borrow this feature into Vozgian as well (after all, there must have been some sort of Proto-North-Slavic. ... So, this does...
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Pavel Iosad
pavel_iosad
Oct 8, 2003 8:30 pm
Hello, ... Proto-North-Slavic. Hmph, we'll need to agree on the details! :) Skuodian of course doesn't miss the chance to have at least some geminates (I mean,...
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regis977
Oct 9, 2003 1:38 pm
... Does Skuodian appear in IB worlds? I would suggest to prepare some proto-north-slavonic substrate for IB, cos all other north slavonic languages...
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Jan van Steenbergen
ijzeren_jan
Oct 9, 2003 5:02 pm
... Unfortunately, no. Pavel has his own conhistory, that he believes doesn't fit in IB. A fact I can't cease to regret... ... Great idea! Because, despite all...
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Pavel Iosad
pavel_iosad
Oct 9, 2003 5:55 pm
Hello, ... Actually, I'm thinking this might change. In the present conhistory, Skuodia is incorporated into Lithuania, but given the amount of Lithuanian...
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Jan van Steenbergen
ijzeren_jan
Oct 10, 2003 5:53 am
... That's good news! ... Well, for the sake of convenience I have always supposed history of the RTC before the Partitions was similar to *here*. Mostly,...
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Frank George Valoczy
polivokspsyc...
Oct 10, 2003 6:38 am
... If you divide Serbian and Sanjaki into two languages, then you should add to this list Montenegrin, which is basically Serbosanjaki with the grammatical...
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Jan van Steenbergen
ijzeren_jan
Oct 10, 2003 7:03 am
... Well, I don't really know the differences between Serbian and Sanjaki, except for the alphabet. I think I should have written "serbosanjaki" instead. ...
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regis977
Oct 10, 2003 8:08 am
... than ... stage ... Ahem, IMHO, Slovakian and Slovenian are quite distant cousins... I do speak fluently Slovakian and do read quite a lot of things in ...
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John Cowan
johnwcowan
Oct 10, 2003 11:09 am
... In general I would say this is expected. L2 knowledge of a language, however good, tends to be more brittle than L1 knowledge in the face of closely...
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Jan van Steenbergen
ijzeren_jan
Oct 10, 2003 11:28 am
... True. And by the way: Belarussian is essentially Polish spoken by a Russian suffering from a severe attack of akanie. Jan ===== "Originality is the art of...
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regis977
Oct 13, 2003 8:57 am
... In my imaginations, members of four tribes moved up north: Ilmeni (60% of total), Polochani (25%), Slovieni (10%) and Krivichi (5%) and during ca 500 years...
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jjunttil@...
santerijunttila
Oct 13, 2003 10:57 am
AFAIK lack of second and third palatalization can't be called kentumization, because the latter refers to the lack of satemization,. which is a much earlier...
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Jan van Steenbergen
ijzeren_jan
Oct 13, 2003 1:24 pm
... This is the amateur/dilettant speaking: what happened to those tribes *here*? Whose ancestors did they become? ... I've no problem with that....
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Jan van Steenbergen
ijzeren_jan
Oct 14, 2003 1:32 pm
... Actually, I forgot to mention something. After I had drawn the map of the Russian Federation, I suddenly discovered a town called "Vožega"...
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regis977
Oct 14, 2003 2:50 pm
... Vozhega - [vo'Zega] tell me my sense for Russian, so penultimate syllable is stressed. But, Pavel might know it better :)))) And etymology is behind my...
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Jan van Steenbergen
ijzeren_jan
Oct 15, 2003 12:33 pm
... I asked my wife, and she doesn't know the town. Her intuition says that the ultimate syllable would be most likely, but she isn't sure. In fact, each ...
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Pavel Iosad
pavel_iosad
Oct 15, 2003 1:10 pm
Hello, ... Nor do I. ... Umm, my *sense* tells me it's the first one, but most Northern names in -ga are stressed on the antepenult (which makes my...
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Jan van Steenbergen
ijzeren_jan
Oct 15, 2003 1:34 pm
... It is not far from Vologda (the capital of the Vozgian Republic, by the way). A bit north of it, to be exact. ... Hmm, what encoding are you using? I tried...
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Pavel Iosad
pavel_iosad
Oct 15, 2003 1:42 pm
Hello, ... Yes, I have found it, only haven't been there, that's all (nor to Vologda, in any case). ... Not me, but the stupid Outlook thingy. ... It is,...
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John Cowan
johnwcowan
Oct 15, 2003 6:48 pm
... No, the true villain here is not the Russian language, but Peter the Great, who went too far in simplifying the spelling; instead of making Russian ...
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Isaac Penzev
yitzik_ua
Oct 15, 2003 7:11 pm
... It was Simplified Chinese. Why on earth???? ... I would vote for Vózhega. Just my intuition... ... It is NOT nóvyj!!!! It is novýj! And i really don't...
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habarakhe4
Oct 16, 2003 12:07 am
... the Great, ... Russian ... What were the accents? The Greek system of acute, grave, and circumflex accents?...
