Timothy,


> I too would hope your assumption is correct. But most western
> humans especially Americans are strongly committed to the
> belief in INdependence. They are simply trying to make the
> world work better for themselves. The problems of the rest of
> humanity do not concern them.

I think it *grossly unfair* to suggest that somehow the "western
humans especially Americans" are selfish beings. (The 'Eastern'
humans are not exactly angels, either. I know, I hail from the
East.) The sort of behaviour you are describing is a manifestation
of the dark side of the human, regardless of their coordinates. I
would suggest that should the industrial revolution had occured in
another part of the globe, you would be judging another people for
their careless disregard of their distant brethen.

And I see nothing wrong with "INdepenence". Quite a noble
aspiration, as far as I am concenred. To hold out
that "INdependence" and 'INterdependence' are somehow mutually
exclusive, is a false proposition.

I don't know where you are, but quite soon there will be celebrations
here in USA -- Independence Day. Certainly it is possible that this
event has lost its 'meaning' for some of Americans, but the 'values'
that informed the decision of the founding fathers to assert their
indepedence from the King George (not related to our King George II ;)
were and remain noble values.


> - What are the potential and *unintended* consequences?
> - Can they be minimized or eliminated?
> - If so, how?
>
> In other words, what will be the guiding values for the safe
> (to all of humanity--both humanity as individual and humanity
> as community) use of these empowering technologies.
>
> In 2001, humanity has the option for synergic relationship. If
> we choose Synergy we will adopt a new set of values –
synergic
> values. The collective term we humans use to describe what we
> value is "wealth".

I believe that an eternal value system should guide and inform my
decisions and choices in face of *changing circumstances*;

You apparently believe that changing circumstances require "new set
of values".

That is a profound and fundamental difference.


> Synergic humans recognize that interdependence is the human
> condition. They recognize that all humans need help unless
> they wish to live at the level of animal subsistence. They
> choose to help others and trust that others will choose to
> help them. I have discussed this at length here.

Check this out. Its from "the age of adversity":

1And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt,
saying, 2This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it
shall be the first month of the year to you. 3Speak ye unto all the
congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they
shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their
fathers, a lamb for an house: 4**And if the household be too little
for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next unto his house take it
according to the number of the souls**.

[Exodus - 12:1-4]


Apprantly God, and Moses, and Aaron, were not aware that these values
had to wait until 2001 AD and the coming of the Synergetics. (BTW,
these same values are again **firmly reaffirmed** in the Gospels and
the Qur'an.)


> God bless him! The father of synergic science. Yes I agree
> fully. We need to use our technologies for livingry not
> killingry.

Actually, what I was hinting at was his Rational point in that book
that the embrace of Nuclear and Fossil fuel technologies is stupid --
whether for "livingry" or "killingry".


> I view the evolution of humanity as the passage through three
> stages of organiztion.[...]

I think my views in this regard should be a bit clearer now.


> I think Ayn Rand was the perfect spokesperson for the values
> of Neutrality.

And I'm sure you can guess what is my oppinion of Ms. Rand ...


> Joubin, thanks for taking the time to read and think about my
> post. I look forward to reading and participating in the
> dialogue on this list.

Thank you Timothy. Inadvertantly, we have hit the nail right on the
head! Value systems are indeed central here. I look forward to your
continued contributions to these discussions.

> Bound through synergy,

Brotherly love would do fine for me.


> Timothy Wilken
> http://futurepositive.synearth.net/

Joubin

> PS:

Thank you for the link recommendation. I noticed it too.