C. cimiciodora is well described by Maddy although I don't catch the
odor, and the color of the flower is not really very greenish.  The
leaves are stiff and strongly recurved.   My sense of smell is suspect,
but the overwhelming odor of Caralluma nebrownii blooming now does get
to me, so I don't don't know what to think of the "bedbug" connection.

I have put the photo of the flower in the shared files,  cerocimio.jpg,
but the dread blank file icon appeared (this may make the file
inaccessible).  Yale

Hello everybody,
I intend to grow on seedlings by artificial light, namely growlight, could
some one inform me what is the timespan it should be switched on for.
yours
stot88

Decided to look a few Ceropegia flowers more closely so tore them open.
C. ampliata, which is balloon like, and widest basally, had an internal
purple line of simple, long hairs between the wider base and slightly
narrower apical part.  C. cimiciodora has a long narrow tube with modest
bulges basally, but this tube is armed with hairs for half its length
(total length about 35 mm); the basal areas are marked with purple.  C.
nilotica is generally built like C. cimiciodora with a narrow tube, with
bulges, and the basal portion of the tube with lots of hairs.  The
apices of these latter two are quite different as C. cimiciodora is star
shaped, with five gutter like affairs with many external spines leading
to the center, while C. nilotica petals (with hairs and complex purple
markings internally) are vertical leaving slits between them for insect
entrance.

Of course, the whole thing seems excessive, and maybe it is.  Despite
many flowers, no fruit/seed, but this is all in a greenhouse far from
the native habitat.  I can see where it might be difficult for a small
insects to escape once it reached the sex organs at the base, but
getting past all the spines to get to the reproductive organs looks very
difficult as well.  And the plant expending energy on pigments in the
chamber with the sex structures (where there is little or no light)
seems difficult to rationalize.  All I am certain of is that a botanist
can explain it all as having survival value without missing a beat.
Yale

Hi stot88,

I usually sow staps in March (N hemisphere) and keep them cca. 2
months, 12 hrs per day, under GroLux lamps at a distance 20 cm from
the tray, 3 tubes, length 70 cm per two trays 35x45 cm. It is
advisable to buy new tubes each year. After two months, I keep them
in the greenhouse, shaded.
I have tried sowing them at 24 hrs under lights, and the results
were encouraging, resulting in stronger seedlings. However, I
had to increase the light intensity, and the trays have to be
inspected more frequently to avoid drying out.

HTH,
Matija Strlic, Ljubljana, Slovenia.

I have been growing all of my stapeliad seedlings under lights for the past
few years and have had excellent results.  I keep them on for fourteen
hours a day.  I have used both sodium and metal halide lights and have not
really noticed any differences.  If you are going to use the growlight I
would suggest that you place the pots as close as possible because they
seem to need strong light.  Under my set-up I have had some seedlings grow
to flowering size in six to eight months.  I usually separate them and
bring them to the greenhouse in about three months.
Jerry Barad

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I put this put a photo in the shared files, stappcon.jpg, but don't
believe it could be accessed.  Have tried it again, and hope it is
accessible and that someone knows its name.  If you can see the photo,
all credit to Trond.  I am trying but he has a poor student.  Thanks.
Yale

Hi all,

Thanks Yale and Iztok for the C.cimiciodora pictures!

I wrote earlier about the C.stapeliiformis ssp.serpentina :
> The flower in that book ('Wildflowers of Northern South Africa' (Gerrit
>Germishuizen, 1997) is different, with very short corolla lobes touching in
the
> centre, and a strange green-red colour (it is a painting not a photo).
>
Now, Iztok's cimiciodora flower looks identical in shape to that one of
stapeliiformis ssp serpentina in the book!! The colour is not as dark, but
then, it is a painting.

Yale's cimiciodora differs from the photo in the KwaZulu-Natal Wildflower
book not only in colour (it is green with red hairs) but also in shape: the
petals are much more folded up lengthwise, and the bases of the petals are
almost touching in the centre. This is perhaps just a different stage of
development.

Seeing so many different flowers of the same species makes me wonder if they
normally have such variation within one species, or if it is a major mix-up,
and which is the typical form? Now I am impatiently waiting for my
cimiciodora to flower!

By the way, Yale, success, it works, now I can see your pictures too! (but
sorry, I don't know what your stappcon.jpg is)

Maddy
in rainy wet South Africa (now spring is *really* here!) :-)

Dear Yale,
this plant is Huernia insigniflora. I have two clones of it on shared files.
Regards,
Iztok
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yale Sedman" <ys-sedman@...>
To: <Stapeliad@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 9:28 PM
Subject: [Stapeliad] Need id


> I put this put a photo in the shared files, stappcon.jpg, but don't
> believe it could be accessed.  Have tried it again, and hope it is
> accessible and that someone knows its name.  If you can see the photo,
> all credit to Trond.  I am trying but he has a poor student.  Thanks.
> Yale
>
>
>
>
>
> Tell your friends about our stapeliad list.
>
>

Thought that I should belatedly explain that my stapeliad needing an id
was a Huernia, as my photo did not show the extensions between the
petals, but delighted that Iztok id'ed it anyway.  Iztok's H.
insigniflora photo has such a distinct annulus, while mine does not seem
to quite qualify.  Thanks for the id.  Yale

In a message dated 9/25/00 10:57:40 AM Central Daylight Time,
manfred.schmucker@... writes:

<<  do not water it regularly nor do i fertilize it so far ... it gets the fog
  all other plants get and supposedly i will not water all my staps for
  most of the coming winter - fog is enough >>


Thanks to all who responded last week to my questions about Ceropegia care -
I think that everything is right with my Ceropegia's except the light.  I'm
sure now that I have mine in too much shade.  Since winter is around the
corner they will be put into the greenhouse until spring.  I think in early
spring I will slowly acclimate them to a full sun environment.  Hopefully
this will bring me plenty of blooms.

Again - thanks for all the info, it sure helped.

Kemberly in Texas

In a message dated 10/2/00 9:59:59 AM Central Daylight Time,
Stapeliad@egroups.com writes:

Does anyone have a picture of the flower of the Ceropegia fusca ?
thanks

Kemberly in Texas

Greetings,

I rescued an unlabeled Huernia from death last year.  It's now
recovered and is flowering.  I have tenatively identified it by
searching through photos on the internet as either Huernia thuretii
or
Huernia striata.  I'm hoping an expert will step forward and tell me
that these two plants are one and the same.

Thanks,
Julie Finn
Sarasota, FL, USA

----- Original Message -----
From: <leasefinn@...>
To: <Stapeliad@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 3:50 AM
Subject: [Stapeliad] Is Huernia thuretii synonomous with H. striata?


> Greetings,
>
> I rescued an unlabeled Huernia from death last year.  It's now
> recovered and is flowering.  I have tenatively identified it by
> searching through photos on the internet as either Huernia thuretii
> or
> Huernia striata.  I'm hoping an expert will step forward and tell me
> that these two plants are one and the same.
>
> Thanks,
> Julie Finn
> Sarasota, FL, USA

From: F. Hoes Belgium

Yes, striata is now known under the name of thuretti v. thuretti

Cheers,

Francois

Hi everyone,
             I recently obtained Angolluma Wissmanni, does  anyone
have this specie. I've also obtained some second hand habitat plants
including the above. These include several Duvalias with code
numbers. Is there a registar for these  numbers?

Peter  van  Eeten

Dear Peter,
I have some clones of A. wissmanii. You can see photos on my home page. If
you have collection numbers of your plants, you can e-mail them to list and
we try to help you. You can have catalogue numbers of some sellers.
Regards,
Iztok
http://www.dpks-drustvo.si/jest/



----- Original Message -----
From: <antony@...>
To: <Stapeliad@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 2:01 PM
Subject: [Stapeliad] New Member.


> Hi everyone,
>             I recently obtained Angolluma Wissmanni, does  anyone
> have this specie. I've also obtained some second hand habitat plants
> including the above. These include several Duvalias with code
> numbers. Is there a registar for these  numbers?
>
> Peter  van  Eeten
>
>
>
> Tell your friends about our stapeliad list.
>
>

Iztok and other growers,
                          Yes I saw your page Iztok and my species is
labelled Caralluma which is wrong technically and it says "South of
Collemette 7751 with another code Es-2245". I think it would have
those nice greenish flowers in huge clusters as the grower said.

The Duvalias do have names but also codes and one only has codes.

They are: Pubescens DD 40011, Vestata DD 5589, Corderoyi DMC 4367,
and Duvalia DP 4107 (A).

Vestata and pubescens are yellowing and not having a good time, but
the coded species' is going well and so is Corderoyi.
All four of them are in a 15cm basket. The coded specie is
cylindrical and grows upright and branches alot. It looks pretty
hardy.

This is the first time I have grown Duvalia. is it advisable to keep
Coderoyi and other squat species in full sun as well as bluish and
motteled Orbeopsis and caralluma species?

I also have Orbeopsis Melanocentra and Carallum Melanacantha,
Melanocentra has huge toothed stems and is robust while Caralluma
Melanacantha has untoothed stem and woody thorned tubercules which
seperates caralluma and Orbeopsis I assume

                                            Peter van Eeten

Hi everyone,

I have some more unidentified plants including Stapelia revoluta var
tigrida, Stap bernalensis, Stap saxatilis, Stap SA DMC4475.

I also have
unidentified Duvalias including D parviflora DMC 2737 and D sp DMC
3796(B).

I hope someone can help me especially with the 3 stapelias

                          Thanks,
                                  Peter

Hi everyone,

I have some more unidentified plants including Stapelia revoluta var
tigrida, Stap bernalensis, Stap saxatilis, Stap SA DMC4475.

I also have
unidentified Duvalias including D parviflora DMC 2737 and D sp DMC
3796(B).

I hope someone can help me especially with the 3 stapelias

                          Thanks,
                                  Peter

Hello,
> Iztok and other growers,
>                          Yes I saw your page Iztok and my species is
> labelled Caralluma which is wrong technically and it says "South of
> Collemette 7751 with another code Es-2245". I think it would have
> those nice greenish flowers in huge clusters as the grower said.

ES is catalogue number of Ernst Specks- Exotica. Collenette is location
number of Sheilla Collenete. Her collection numbers were published last
year in a book.


>
> The Duvalias do have names but also codes and one only has codes.
>
> They are: Pubescens DD 40011, Vestata DD 5589, Corderoyi DMC 4367,
> and Duvalia DP 4107 (A).

DMC are collection # of D. M. CUMMING, and DP of Darrel Plowes.
Vestata is Duvalia vestita

Regards,
Iztok

Hi,
      Do these code numbers actually mean the plants  are newly discovered or
are they simply just subspecies or variants?  One of these little Duvalias
actually rotted away maybe it couldn't take the shock of getting water after
being bone dry for so long!

I also have some stapelias which might be of interest to the the group, they
seem quite rare. They include Stapelia bernalensis, Stapelia saxatilis and
Stapelia revoluta var tigrida. I know that the last species is often called
Tromitriche revoluta and used to be in stapelia but var tigrida sounds
interesting.

In Melbourne several Stapeliads can grow in the garden but only the hardy
ones such as Orbea vareigata,
maybe  Stap Gigantea but there is a Stap grandiflora which has survived the
winter in the cactus patch and is now growing. I find it strange it wasn't
frost damaged and maybe certain other hardy Stapelias, Orbeas and Huernias
could grow. I've just planted out some  Orbea varegata and Stapelia
comparibilis cuttings under an Echium bush and I think they fill the space
nicely and attract blowflies and lots of there friends.

I have trouble with Stap gigantea in my chicken coop hothouse. It is getting
pink tinging it is sriveling but the sun isn't that strong it is only mid
spring. I also can't get the barstard to flower.  My Angolluma Wissmannii
already has really tiny red flower clusters and so does Stap flavopurpurea.
I am also rooting a Tavaresia Barklyi cutting from a plant I had for six
years but never grew and flowered to my satisfaction. It doesn't  really
seem to be taking and 'll probably have to get a new plant or grow it from
seeds.

How many members are there in the  genus Orbea and how many people grow
them? they are not really available in Melbourne.

         see you later,
                               Peter  van Eeten
----- Original Message -----
From: Iztok Mulej <iztok.mulej@...>
To: <Stapeliad@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Stapeliad] Angolluma Wissmannii


> Hello,
> > Iztok and other growers,
> >                          Yes I saw your page Iztok and my species is
> > labelled Caralluma which is wrong technically and it says "South of
> > Collemette 7751 with another code Es-2245". I think it would have
> > those nice greenish flowers in huge clusters as the grower said.
>
> ES is catalogue number of Ernst Specks- Exotica. Collenette is location
> number of Sheilla Collenete. Her collection numbers were published last
> year in a book.
>
>
> >
> > The Duvalias do have names but also codes and one only has codes.
> >
> > They are: Pubescens DD 40011, Vestata DD 5589, Corderoyi DMC 4367,
> > and Duvalia DP 4107 (A).
>
> DMC are collection # of D. M. CUMMING, and DP of Darrel Plowes.
> Vestata is Duvalia vestita
>
> Regards,
> Iztok
>
>
>
> Tell your friends about our stapeliad list.
>

--- In Stapeliad@egroups.com, plantphreaque@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 10/2/00 9:59:59 AM Central Daylight Time,
> Stapeliad@egroups.com writes:
>
> Does anyone have a picture of the flower of the Ceropegia fusca ?
> thanks
>
> Kemberly in Texas


Check ot the  "Asclepiad page" use your search engine or look up
Ceropegia and you will find a webpage called the Ceropegia Journal it
is sure to be in there. Cero fusca has dark red flowers in clusters
at the joints I think they are similar in form to dichotoma but
dicotoma is yellow. I think it also comes maybe from the canary
island and is in the group of succulent stick like ceros.

Regards,
          Peter

Peter,

> Hi,
>      Do these code numbers actually mean the plants  are newly discovered
or
> are they simply just subspecies or variants?  One of these little Duvalias
> actually rotted away maybe it couldn't take the shock of getting water
after
> being bone dry for so long!

This numbers actually mean the the number of field collected plant. Under
this number you can get the plant locality data. Some plants are very
variable and location data means, that the plant from one locality may be
different than the same species from other locality.

> I also have some stapelias which might be of interest to the the group,
they
> seem quite rare. They include Stapelia bernalensis, Stapelia saxatilis and
> Stapelia revoluta var tigrida. I know that the last species is often
called
> Tromitriche revoluta and used to be in stapelia but var tigrida sounds
> interesting.

Ther is no Stapelia saxatilis, it is only Stapeliopsis saxatilis. Stapelia
bernalensis is also unknown to me. There is a garden hybrid known as S.
berlinensis. Stapelia revoluta var tigridia is synonim for Tromotriche
revoluta

> In Melbourne several Stapeliads can grow in the garden but only the hardy
> ones such as Orbea vareigata,
> maybe  Stap Gigantea but there is a Stap grandiflora which has survived
the
> winter in the cactus patch and is now growing. I find it strange it wasn't
> frost damaged and maybe certain other hardy Stapelias, Orbeas and Huernias
> could grow. I've just planted out some  Orbea varegata and Stapelia
> comparibilis cuttings under an Echium bush and I think they fill the space
> nicely and attract blowflies and lots of there friends.
>
> I have trouble with Stap gigantea in my chicken coop hothouse. It is
getting
> pink tinging it is sriveling but the sun isn't that strong it is only mid
> spring. I also can't get the barstard to flower.  My Angolluma Wissmannii
> already has really tiny red flower clusters and so does Stap
flavopurpurea.
> I am also rooting a Tavaresia Barklyi cutting from a plant I had for six
> years but never grew and flowered to my satisfaction. It doesn't  really
> seem to be taking and 'll probably have to get a new plant or grow it from
> seeds.
>
> How many members are there in the  genus Orbea and how many people grow
> them? they are not really available in Melbourne.

In genus Orbea are about 20 species. I have some of them on my exchange
list.

Regards,
Iztok

My stapelia Gigantea is in a small hothouse and is a 20 cm pot and is
growing quite large but has not put out much growth pos it getting a
pink ting e and is shriveling. In my experience it has been quit slow
growing and it has never flowered. Since it is mid spring there is
not much sun (Melbourne).

My mix is relatively sandy and I water once a week when the soil is
almost dry. It is a robust clone. I have a smaller sturdier Gigantea
with hard stems could this be the problem? the plant is also light
green and a bit yellow in complection but not overly yellow.

       Regards,
               Peter

Dear Kemberly,

Ceropegia fusca is a "Coralliform" stick type species from Gran
Canaria and Tenerife in the Canary Islands. It has brownish stems and
flowers while the closely allied C.dichotma has green stems and
yellow flowers.

You can also find the links that Peter mentions among the Stapeliad
list links.
http://www.egroups.com/links/Stapeliad/

Cereusly Steve


--- In Stapeliad@egroups.com, antony@o... wrote:
> --- In Stapeliad@egroups.com, plantphreaque@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 10/2/00 9:59:59 AM Central Daylight Time,
> > Stapeliad@egroups.com writes:
> >
> > Does anyone have a picture of the flower of the Ceropegia fusca ?
> > thanks
> >
> > Kemberly in Texas
>
>
> Check ot the  "Asclepiad page" use your search engine or look up
> Ceropegia and you will find a webpage called the Ceropegia Journal
it
> is sure to be in there. Cero fusca has dark red flowers in clusters
> at the joints I think they are similar in form to dichotoma but
> dicotoma is yellow. I think it also comes maybe from the canary
> island and is in the group of succulent stick like ceros.
>
> Regards,
>          Peter