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Re: [Stellarvue] Astro-Physics waits...measured in light years

There is a psychological concept known as cognitive dissonance. In this process,
a person is absolutely convinced of the wisdom and correctness of his choice or
decision in a given situation, even when there is considerable evidence to the
contrary. I suspect that cognitive dissonance plays a role in the fanaticism
of certain telescope buyers.

This would be especially true if they had to wait a decade and pay much more,
compared to other scopes that were readily available and reasonably priced. For
such people, star tests, bench tests, objective comparisons and magazine reviews
would not dislodge them from their beliefs.

Steve Gaber
Sanderling, 1967 C-31 #77
Oldsmar, FL



---- Bill G <bglick@...> wrote:
> At the risk of being strung up and quartered by an angry mob, here's
> why, IMHO.
> > If the review gives the AP the edge, there will be a lot of nodding
> > heads and seemingly knowing smiles going around and all will be right
> > in the world according to some. But if it went the other way,
> > armegedon will not even begin to adequately describe the backlash.
> > There will be a lot of bandwidth used up all in the name of justice.
> > I think even a draw would create a flurry of unpleasant posts.
>
> Vincent...this is soooo
> true.... every field has brand loyalist, but I have never experienced
> anything like the true loyalist in the refractor field. They will
> defend their favorites right to death, even if they have NO CLUE how the
> other scopes perform. It borders on insanity. I think partly this is
> due to protect the large investment many have in their Premium brand
> scopes.....

--



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<<AP comes to mind, though you'd probably forgotten you were on the wait list by the time your name comes up for any of their scopes.>> I certainly did, when...
SiriusGuy@...
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Jul 11, 2009
3:49 pm

I don't think you're gonna find anyone willing to touch that comparison with a pole a lightyear long. AP has a long standing reputation for being @ the top of...
Vincent Huang
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Jul 11, 2009
4:51 pm

At the risk of being strung up and quartered by an angry mob, here's why, IMHO. ... Vincent...this is soooo true.... every field has brand loyalist, but I...
Bill G
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Jul 11, 2009
5:37 pm

Problem with most well intending amateur comparisons, the tested pairs tend to both perform quite well, with one having a bit of an edge, here or there, but...
Jim Ferreira
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Jul 11, 2009
8:14 pm

Jim,? Nicely said. Clear, dark skies, Jim S. Redlands, CA - [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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Jul 11, 2009
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There is a psychological concept known as cognitive dissonance. In this process, a person is absolutely convinced of the wisdom and correctness of his choice...
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stevenagaber
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Jul 12, 2009
3:50 am

... Cognitive dissonance plays a strong role in scope comparisons, for sure, but not in your example. If someone is absolutely convinced their choice is...
Paul Gustafson
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Jul 12, 2009
1:13 pm

... Wonderful thread. :-) Curiously, I recently sold an A-P barlow on a well-known astro-equipment forum. I actually posted what I knew to be the truth about...
astronomer_c
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Jul 14, 2009
4:27 am

Vincent, Yes, refractor folks are a passionate lot -- especially with regard to their chosen scope/brand. ?I recently had to opportunity to spend some quality...
k75jim@...
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Jul 11, 2009
10:18 pm

Adding to that is the age old addage, the best telescope is the one you use the most.. or even just USE. There was a lot of noise on the APUG regarding a...
Vincent Huang
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Jul 12, 2009
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Well said! Clear, dark (and well used) skies, Jim S. Redlands, CA So, grab a scope, ANY scope and let the photons be gathered!! [Non-text portions of this...
k75jim@...
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Jul 12, 2009
5:51 pm

My issue with AP is the same as our post-starter, Alan. while there's no doubt that these untis are fantastic [I've viewed through a 5" and 7" starfire -...
Darren Hennig
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Jul 12, 2009
10:31 pm

My "issue" with AP's wait time is a bit different. By the time I'm old enough to afford, say, an AP 130, it's more likely that my estate executor will be...
Bert Seltzer
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Jul 12, 2009
11:42 pm

... Roland makes his living making premium mounts and optics for universities, and government agencies - the amateur line is a side line. a 7-10 year wait, I...
uthin8er
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Jul 13, 2009
11:34 pm

... Not true. From AP's web site, "At Astro-Physics, we are fully committed to the production and development of amateur telescopes and accessories. Our goal...
Paul Gustafson
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Jul 14, 2009
10:06 am

This is a prime example of why we should concentrate on SV here and AP there. That is why we should stay on topic. In reference to AP, let me conclude this...
stellarvue1
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Jul 14, 2009
3:19 pm

... Well said. Paul Gustafson...
Paul Gustafson
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Jul 14, 2009
5:29 pm

Vic, Well said indeed! ?There is NOTHING like quality and the lack of it shows up rather quickly. ?Better a few really good pieces than a trunk full of junk. ...
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k75jim
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Jul 14, 2009
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Vic, Well said. From what I've experienced, it's worth the wait. Jon Talbot...
Jon Talbot
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Jul 15, 2009
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You know.... AP, Tak, SV (triplets)... all wonderful and to be drooled over. For most of us though, drool is all we can do. I'm just glad that Vic makes a ...
Rick Saunders
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Jul 15, 2009
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... From: "Bert Seltzer" <bert.seltzer@...> To: <Stellarvue@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [Stellarvue] Re:...
David and Sharon Elos...
asterhunter
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Jul 13, 2009
10:23 pm

Well, it's not like I've reached the point where I don't buy the green bananas, but there are light bulbs out there that are supposed to have more life...
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