On 7 jun 2006, at 23.47, Martin Pittenauer wrote:

> On 08.06.2006, at 01:05, vogon_swe wrote:
>
>> I use SubEthaEdit a lot when editing wiki or other online content,
>> but I'm a bit anoyed by
>> having to copy/paste the text before I get an idea on what it will
>> look like.
>>
>> Have anyone made any kind of script that simplifies this?
>
> There isn't a script yet, but as the "Validate HTML (W3C)" Script
> essentially does very similar things (send content to form-based
> validator and show the result in Safari), it would probably be easy
> to provide one if you let me know the details (i.e. the url to send
> it to).

That script sounds like it could work perfectly. Can it be found
somewhere? I haven't spent the time to find out exactly how the url
should look yet and there will probably be some trial and error
before its working perfectly so it would be easier of I work on
getting the parameters correct.

>> Perhaps I should file some feedback on this as well. What I
>> preferably would like to be able to
>> do is to configure the Web Preview not to render it as HTML but
>> rather send it as a
>> configurable form to a url and render the result. That would be
>> awesome!
>
> Directly customizing a web preview with filters, is on our agenda,
> but currently not yet possible.

Perfect, the feature have one more vote now =)

-- kent

On 08.06.2006, at 18:18, Kent Karlsson wrote:

> That script sounds like it could work perfectly. Can it be found
> somewhere? I haven't spent the time to find out exactly how the url
> should look yet and there will probably be some trial and error
> before its working perfectly so it would be easier of I work on
> getting the parameters correct.

It's inside the SubEthaEdit application bundle, I attached the script
and its perl helper for easy access. You can put these in your
Scripts Folder when you modify the path to the Perl script inside the
Applescript. The Perl script is used to set a <base> url in the HTML
so that images and links work correctly and then to open it in
Safari. Please don't hesitate to ask me if you need help with your
customizations.

For general help on scripting you also might find http://
codingmonkeys.de/subethaedit/scripting.html useful.

All the best,
Martin

There appear to be some new features in RegexSymbols.xml that aren't documented
in the
Template mode or on the web site.

In particular, what does the new <blocks> section do?  And how is it related to
the
ignoreblocks attribute on <symbol>?

On 10.06.2006, at 06:48, Mark wrote:

> There appear to be some new features in RegexSymbols.xml that
> aren't documented in the
> Template mode or on the web site.
>
> In particular, what does the new <blocks> section do? And how is it
> related to the
> ignoreblocks attribute on <symbol>?

These are related, but not yet functional. We will document them as
soon as they work... ;)

All the best,
Martin

I've created a custom mode for an in-house language and was wondering if sorting
was
supported in the 'function' pull down. (We have a lot of entities in the list,
currently in the
order they appear in the file)

Seems like it could be an attribute of the <symbol> tag or maybe in the
<postprocess>
block.

Just wondering if there are any plans to add tabs to the GUI.  I end up editing
a dozen files at
once and it gets cumbersome to manage all the windows.

--- In SubEthaEdit@yahoogroups.com, "mtm_1999" <dude@...> wrote:
>
> I've created a custom mode for an in-house language and was wondering if
sorting was
> supported in the 'function' pull down.

Yes - just hold down the option key when you click on the 'function' pop-up
menu.

Hmm, close.  It seems to ignore the indentation level in the sort.

It sorts:

    Class B
        Method foo
        Method bar
    Class A
        Method foo
        Method bar

into:

    Class A
    Class B
        Method bar
        Method bar
        Method foo
        Method foo

What I really want is this:

    Class A
        Method bar
        Method foo
    Class B
        Method bar
        Method foo


On Jun 12, 2006, at 8:27 PM, Mark wrote:

> --- In SubEthaEdit@yahoogroups.com, "mtm_1999" <dude@...> wrote:
> >
> > I've created a custom mode for an in-house language and was
> wondering if sorting was
> > supported in the 'function' pull down.
>
> Yes - just hold down the option key when you click on the
> 'function' pop-up menu.
>
>
>

On 13.06.2006, at 03:17, mtm_1999 wrote:

> Just wondering if there are any plans to add tabs to the GUI. I end
> up editing a dozen files at
> once and it gets cumbersome to manage all the windows.

Tabs are on the top of our list of features for the next major version.

All the best,
Martin

On 13.06.2006, at 06:58, Mike T. Miller wrote:

> Hmm, close. It seems to ignore the indentation level in the sort.

You are right, it probably should take indentation into account. I
will file that as bug.

All the best,
Martin

In a somewhat related question, do you have any plans for a "project
drawer" to navigate easily within a folder/project directory?

I tend to jump around within a directory a lot so having a drawer on
the side would really make this a cut above the rest.


--- In SubEthaEdit@yahoogroups.com, Martin Pittenauer <map@...> wrote:
>
>
> On 13.06.2006, at 03:17, mtm_1999 wrote:
>
> > Just wondering if there are any plans to add tabs to the GUI. I end
> > up editing a dozen files at
> > once and it gets cumbersome to manage all the windows.
>
> Tabs are on the top of our list of features for the next major version.
>
> All the best,
> Martin
>

On 14.06.2006, at 00:33, richstyles247 wrote:

> In a somewhat related question, do you have any plans for a "project
> drawer" to navigate easily within a folder/project directory?
>
> I tend to jump around within a directory a lot so having a drawer on
> the side would really make this a cut above the rest.

While that's on our list, I cannot permit whether this feature makes
it into the next major release.

For general window navigation, you could try pressing ctrl-1 for some
short term relief in the mean time.

All the best,
Martin

Hello,

My name is Riad Djemili. I'm a computer science student at the Freie
Universität Berlin in Germany. I'm working on a graduation thesis,
which aims at examining distributed pair programming.

For this I've compiled a short questionnaire, which I would like to
get as much as programmers as possible to answer. The survey is
completely academic and has no commercial aims. This questionnaire is
mainly aimed at programmers that have already worked with pair
programming, ideally even distributed pair programming. It takes about
10 minutes to complete it. The URL is as following:

     http://survey.mi.fu-berlin.de/dpp

Why should you take the questionnaire? You would help me in
understanding in which ways distributed pair programming is currently
used and therefore help me to research how distributed pair
programming tools could be improved in general.

If you're interested in further information about the results of my
work, you'll be able to leave your e-Mail after answering the
questionnaire. Your e-mail won't be used for any other reason then
this and will be deleted as soon as you've been contacted on the
results of the survey.

This survey will be up until the 10st of July 2006. Please feel free
to notify other potentially interested participants of this survey.

If you have any comments on this announcement, on the questions or on
the topic in general, please don't hesitate to contact me at my e-mail
address:

     djemili@...

Many thanks in advance,
Riad Djemili

Hello to all!

I would like to know, how exactly I might be able to edit or modify
files/documents which are
stored on a webserver? I suppose, that the webserver has to fullfil some
conditions and I
would like to know how exactly I am able to access to a document on a webserver
with
SubEthaEdit.

If somebody could help me with this or would be so kind to give me the link for
a tutorial or a
manual. I did not find any information about it.

Any help is very much appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Cornelia

Hi Cornelia,

The ftp client interarchy lets you edit files remotely using SubEthaEdit:
<http://www.interarchy.com/documentation/8/menus.html#menu_listing_editwithedito\
r>
The file is actually transfered via ftp before and after editting.

--
Cole

At 3:27 PM +0000 8/23/06, cornelia_menzel wrote:
>Hello to all!
>
>I would like to know, how exactly I might be able to edit or modify
>files/documents which are
>stored on a webserver? I suppose, that the webserver has to fullfil
>some conditions and I
>would like to know how exactly I am able to access to a document on
>a webserver with
>SubEthaEdit.
>
>If somebody could help me with this or would be so kind to give me
>the link for a tutorial or a
>manual. I did not find any information about it.
>
>Any help is very much appreciated.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Cornelia

On 23.08.2006, at 20:09, Cole Tierney wrote:

> The ftp client interarchy lets you edit files remotely using
> SubEthaEdit:
> <http://www.interarchy.com/documentation/8/
> menus.html#menu_listing_editwitheditor>
> The file is actually transfered via ftp before and after editting.

I was about to suggest something similar. In fact most FTP client can
work together with SubEthaEdit and transmit the file upon save.

For a list have a look at the bottom of  http://www.codingmonkeys.de/
subethaedit/edit.html
There are also free FTP applications that work with SubEthaEdit, like
e.g. Cyberduck or Fugu. (The duck and the fish on the website above.)

All the best,
Martin

Thank you very much for your answers!

I did not expressed myself very clearly. I am already using Cyberduck for
uploading the
files and, at the moment I need to make some changes, I can open the file with
SubEthaEdit from server and after modifying it, saving the file on the server
again. I was
conscient of that.

What I now want to do know is having one or more files on my webserver that
could be
modified at the same time by various persons. I have already uploaded a testfile
to my
server and I have set the necessary rights, so that everybody could open and
modfiy it. But
I am not able to connect to my server via the Internet-Button as I have done to
connect to
your test server.

The only way I was able to modify a file at the same time as another user, was
activating
'Personal File Sharing' on my Mac and so permitting access to the file for
others. I was not
able to connect to my webserver via 'see://...'. So my question is: What kind of
tricks you
are using to offer files for everybody on your testserver?

Would it be possible to accomplish that with an .Mac account? As I know, iDisk
supports
WebDav, what is - as I understand - necessary for sharing files.

I hope, that I expressed myself more clearly now. I do not want anybody to
connect to my
Mac, so the idea was, to offer the file on the Webserver directly. But till now,
I do not know
how to do that.

Thank you very much and sorry for my misleading initial post.

Kind regards,
Cornelia

On 23.08.2006, at 22:36, Cornelia Menzel wrote:

> What I now want to do know is having one or more files on my
> webserver that could be modified at the same time by various
> persons. I have already uploaded a testfile to my server and I have
> set the necessary rights, so that everybody could open and
> modfiy it. But I am not able to connect to my server via the
> Internet-Button as I have done to connect to your test server.

> The only way I was able to modify a file at the same time as
> another user, was activating 'Personal File Sharing' on my Mac and
> so permitting access to the file for
> others. I was not able to connect to my webserver via 'see://...'.
> So my question is: What kind of tricks you are using to offer files
> for everybody on your testserver?

Ah. Now I understand the confusion. Sorry.

First of all, SubEthaEdit can only connect to other SubEthaEdits for
collaborative work, not to a webserver. The Internet button opens the
internet browser, where you can establish a connection to another
SubEthaEdit user that is not in your local network. For that you have
to put her IP into the address field. (For help with setup and how to
find out IPs, please have a look at http://codingmonkeys.de/
subethaedit/nat.html)

So long story short, our test server is actually a Macintosh running
SubEthaEdit. To edit files directly on a webserver together I'd
recommend to open them via Cyberduck and then invite your co-workers
to that documents by first connecting to them via internet if the
aren't in you local network (otherwise they are visible in the
Bonjour browser) and dragging them onto the documents.

If you had more of a wiki-like environment in mind the only solution
at this time would be a Macintosh server and a bit of AppleScript.

mfg,
Martin

Am 23.08.2006 um 23:05 schrieb Martin Pittenauer:

>
> Ah. Now I understand the confusion. Sorry.
>
> First of all, SubEthaEdit can only connect to other SubEthaEdits
> for collaborative work, not to a webserver. The Internet button
> opens the internet browser, where you can establish a connection to
> another SubEthaEdit user that is not in your local network. For
> that you have to put her IP into the address field. (For help with
> setup and how to find out IPs, please have a look at http://
> codingmonkeys.de/subethaedit/nat.html)
>
> So long story short, our test server is actually a Macintosh
> running SubEthaEdit. To edit files directly on a webserver together
> I'd recommend to open them via Cyberduck and then invite your co-
> workers to that documents by first connecting to them via internet
> if the aren't in you local network (otherwise they are visible in
> the Bonjour browser) and dragging them onto the documents.
>
> If you had more of a wiki-like environment in mind the only
> solution at this time would be a Macintosh server and a bit of
> AppleScript.
>
> mfg,
> Martin
>

Thank you very much for your detailed explanation. That is exactly
what I wanted to know.

Kind regards,
Cornelia


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Hello,

Is there a way to have tabs in SEE? That is, when I am working with
multiple documents, that each one opens in the same appliction window
on a different tab?

Thanks for any info.

Eric

Hello,

It would be nice if SEE kept track of the last sharing state of previously
edited files.  I
frequently share a handful files with a colleague and it becomes tiresome to:

Open Recent -> the file
Annouce the file
Change access control from locked to read/write
repeat for each additional file

thanks,
Mike

On 28.08.2006, at 23:34, mtm_1999 wrote:

> Hello,
>
> It would be nice if SEE kept track of the last sharing state of
> previously edited files. I
> frequently share a handful files with a colleague and it becomes
> tiresome to:
>
> Open Recent -> the file
> Annouce the file
> Change access control from locked to read/write
> repeat for each additional file

Thanks for the suggestion. We are working on making that kind of
metadata more persistent.

If the set of files does not change much, you could also automate the
workflow above using AppleScript to get the functionality right now.

All the best,
Martin

Hi,

I am completely new to the collaborative features of SubEthaEdit, so
bear with me here.

I need to write and edit a latex document in collaboration with
another person over the internet. As I understand it, SubEthaEdit
should be well suited for this. Latex, however, requires that both
parties have 'physical' access to .tex file in order to be able to
compile it.

Possible procedures for acchieving this that I have come up with are:

A: 1) .tex file sits on a server to whom both parties have access too
via SMB (using a VPN on at least one side).
2) One party opens the .tex file in its copy of SubEthaEdit and
announces it. Both sides should now be able to edit the file.
3) To compile the .tex file either party can open the .tex file in
e.g. TeXShop on their computer and run it. All auxilary files as well
as images etc. are sitting on the server as well.
4) All edits should be done in SubEthaEdit, an AppleScript refreshes
the .tex file in TeXShop just before compiling, i.e. the file can
remain open in TeXShop.

B: 1) .tex file does not sit on a server but on one of the computers
2) Editing can be done as with A
3) The party on whose computer the .tex file is residing can compile
it in TeXShop as in A
4) Some fancy, still-to-be-invented script saves the content of the
.tex file on the computer which remotely edits the file into a locally
stored .tex file, all user-generated auxillary files (like .bib file
or images) have to be shared manually.


Should these two approaches work, do I missunderstand here something
or does anybody know a better approach? Specifically, how could one
easily save a file one is remotely editing as a copy to the local
filesystem. Save A Copy As... should work, however, I failed to assign
a keyboard shortcut to using the System Preferences.

Cheers,

Markus

On 20.09.2006, at 20:46, manuchaosubethaedit wrote:

> Should these two approaches work, do I missunderstand here something
> or does anybody know a better approach? Specifically, how could one
> easily save a file one is remotely editing as a copy to the local
> filesystem. Save A Copy As... should work, however, I failed to
> assign a keyboard shortcut to using the System Preferences.

You should be able to save a local copy by using "File/Save" or
pressing command-s.

Both of your approaches should work fine. You can also enable a kind
of semi-live (on save) preview of LaTeX by enabling "Configure for
external editor" and "Auotmatic Preview Update" in TexShop's Document
and Preview Preferences and opening the pdf in TexShop after the
first compile.

  From experience I can recommend using a revision control system
together with Latex (e.g. Subversion[1]). That kind of setup would
take care of sharing images and the like and would also enable
asynchronous collaboration in addition to SubEthaEdit live
collaboration.

All the best,
Martin





[1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subversion_(software)
(Mac OS X Package: http://www.codingmonkeys.de/mbo/)

Does anyone here still have the old Markdown mode? I really don't want to have
to make a
new one if I could still get my hands on the old one. The author of it has taken
it off the
web... Thanks!

I'm sure that this would be somewhat low on the list, but what about
transporting the BEEP protocol over XMPP?  My company has a bunch of
devs on macs, and getting them on SEE would be real nice, but we also
run a tight ship and we don't multicast route, so Multicast DNS
(Bonjour) is right out.  We do however, have a Wildfire (Jabber/XMPP)
server.  Each SEE instance could connect to the server and others
would then be able to see who is online and talk back and forth, no
MDNS necessary.  And it works across subenets and you get encryption
for free.

Moshe

On 16.10.2006, at 18:00, m0k4t2 wrote:

> I'm sure that this would be somewhat low on the list, but what about
> transporting the BEEP protocol over XMPP? My company has a bunch of
> devs on macs, and getting them on SEE would be real nice, but we also
> run a tight ship and we don't multicast route, so Multicast DNS
> (Bonjour) is right out. We do however, have a Wildfire (Jabber/XMPP)
> server. Each SEE instance could connect to the server and others
> would then be able to see who is online and talk back and forth, no
> MDNS necessary. And it works across subenets and you get encryption
> for free.

SubEthaEdit does not require Bonjour or multicast routing to work.
You can connect across networks by using the internet windows
(Windows/Internet).

If you are working in NATed enviroments you will have to forward a
port however. (See http://codingmonkeys.de/subethaedit/faq.html#router)

All the best,
Martin

Yeah, I know, I'm just figuring that with XMPP, you could get all the
goodness and ease of use that mDNS gives you across subnets without
the headaches of multicast routing.

Moshe

On 10/17/06, Martin Pittenauer <map@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  On 16.10.2006, at 18:00, m0k4t2 wrote:
>
>  > I'm sure that this would be somewhat low on the list, but what about
>  > transporting the BEEP protocol over XMPP? My company has a bunch of
>  > devs on macs, and getting them on SEE would be real nice, but we also
>  > run a tight ship and we don't multicast route, so Multicast DNS
>  > (Bonjour) is right out. We do however, have a Wildfire (Jabber/XMPP)
>  > server. Each SEE instance could connect to the server and others
>  > would then be able to see who is online and talk back and forth, no
>  > MDNS necessary. And it works across subenets and you get encryption
>  > for free.
>
>  SubEthaEdit does not require Bonjour or multicast routing to work.
>  You can connect across networks by using the internet windows
>  (Windows/Internet).
>
>  If you are working in NATed enviroments you will have to forward a
>  port however. (See http://codingmonkeys.de/subethaedit/faq.html#router)
>
>  All the best,
>  Martin
>