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#18938 From: Vasudev Seeram <cavguy101@...>
Date: Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:00 pm
Subject: Re: [ttlug] TTLUG Meet'n'Greet Session on Thursday 15th October at J. Malone's in MovieTowne
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Thanks to all those who attended yesterday's Meet'n'Greet Session. We had a
great turnout, with a total of fourteen persons in attendance. These were:
Falina Baksh, Nissan Dookeran, Rellon Lawrence, Sean Roebuck, Blayne Farinha,
Jeremy Teemul, Lawrence Sinanan, Ray Dookie, Andre Corbie, Orlando Smith,
William Cooper and myself, together with Adesh and Tamara.

I'd also like to acknowledge those who contributed to making the event a
success: Falina (who bore the cost of downloading and burning Knoppix CDs),
Nissan (for sponsoring two pitchers of beer, demoing OpenSuse and providing
updates to his blog) and William, who donated $100.00 towards the final bill.
The PDF handout I created to accompany the CD shall be uploaded to the wiki
page.

Thanks again for making the event a success. Thoughts and suggestions for
improving the event are welcome.




Regards,

Vasudev.



--- On Mon, 10/12/09, Vasudev Seeram <cavguy101@...> wrote:

From: Vasudev Seeram <cavguy101@...>
Subject: [ttlug] TTLUG Meet'n'Greet Session on Thursday 15th October at J.
Malone's in MovieTowne
To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 11:39 AM






 





                   The Trinidad and Tobago Linux Users Group shall be having a
"Meet'n'Greet" session on Thursday 15th October 2009 at J. Malone's Irish Pub in
MovieTowne.



Date: Thursday 15th October 2009



Time: 6:00 P.M. to 7:00 P.M.



Venue: J. Malone's in MovieTowne



Come let's kick back in a relaxing environment as we network and blah about
Linux, computing and everything.



This month, attendees shall receive a FREE copy of the latest version of the
Knoppix live CD distro. Due to the limited number of CDs available, the CDs
shall be distributed to attendees on a first-come, first-served basis.
Additional copies are available at TT$50.00 per CD.



As is customary, attendees are expected to pick up their own tab (unless someone
wants to sponsor...).



All are welcome. See you there!































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#18939 From: Rellon Lawrence <rellonlawrence@...>
Date: Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:39 pm
Subject: Re: [ttlug] TTLUG Meet'n'Greet Session on Thursday 15th October at J. Malone's in MovieTowne
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I must say it was time well spent :)



http://xai-tec.blogspot.com/
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rellonlawrence@...

GOD HAS THE MASTER PLAN




On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Vasudev Seeram <cavguy101@...> wrote:

>
>
> Thanks to all those who attended yesterday's Meet'n'Greet Session. We had a
> great turnout, with a total of fourteen persons in attendance. These were:
> Falina Baksh, Nissan Dookeran, Rellon Lawrence, Sean Roebuck, Blayne
> Farinha, Jeremy Teemul, Lawrence Sinanan, Ray Dookie, Andre Corbie, Orlando
> Smith, William Cooper and myself, together with Adesh and Tamara.
>
> I'd also like to acknowledge those who contributed to making the event a
> success: Falina (who bore the cost of downloading and burning Knoppix CDs),
> Nissan (for sponsoring two pitchers of beer, demoing OpenSuse and providing
> updates to his blog) and William, who donated $100.00 towards the final
> bill. The PDF handout I created to accompany the CD shall be uploaded to the
> wiki page.
>
> Thanks again for making the event a success. Thoughts and suggestions for
> improving the event are welcome.
>
> Regards,
>
> Vasudev.
>
> --- On Mon, 10/12/09, Vasudev Seeram
<cavguy101@...<cavguy101%40yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: Vasudev Seeram <cavguy101@... <cavguy101%40yahoo.com>>
> Subject: [ttlug] TTLUG Meet'n'Greet Session on Thursday 15th October at J.
> Malone's in MovieTowne
> To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com <TTLUG%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 11:39 AM
>
>
>
>
> The Trinidad and Tobago Linux Users Group shall be having a "Meet'n'Greet"
> session on Thursday 15th October 2009 at J. Malone's Irish Pub in
> MovieTowne.
>
> Date: Thursday 15th October 2009
>
> Time: 6:00 P.M. to 7:00 P.M.
>
> Venue: J. Malone's in MovieTowne
>
> Come let's kick back in a relaxing environment as we network and blah about
> Linux, computing and everything.
>
> This month, attendees shall receive a FREE copy of the latest version of
> the Knoppix live CD distro. Due to the limited number of CDs available, the
> CDs shall be distributed to attendees on a first-come, first-served basis.
> Additional copies are available at TT$50.00 per CD.
>
> As is customary, attendees are expected to pick up their own tab (unless
> someone wants to sponsor...).
>
> All are welcome. See you there!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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#18940 From: Nissan Dookeran <nissan.dookeran@...>
Date: Sat Oct 17, 2009 6:49 pm
Subject: Re: [ttlug] TTLUG Meet'n'Greet Session on Thursday 15th October at J. Malone's in MovieTowne
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Kudos as well to Vas, who continues to drive this TTLUG event every month
(at his own cost outside of other donations given and in his own time
outside of work I might add). I encourage everyone to join us at this
monthly event if not to meet some new people and talk about some interesting
topics of your choosing, then to simply show your support for unselfish
effort made by folks in organising the event.
-Nissan

2009/10/16 Vasudev Seeram <cavguy101@...>

>
>
> Thanks to all those who attended yesterday's Meet'n'Greet Session. We had a
> great turnout, with a total of fourteen persons in attendance. These were:
> Falina Baksh, Nissan Dookeran, Rellon Lawrence, Sean Roebuck, Blayne
> Farinha, Jeremy Teemul, Lawrence Sinanan, Ray Dookie, Andre Corbie, Orlando
> Smith, William Cooper and myself, together with Adesh and Tamara.
>
> I'd also like to acknowledge those who contributed to making the event a
> success: Falina (who bore the cost of downloading and burning Knoppix CDs),
> Nissan (for sponsoring two pitchers of beer, demoing OpenSuse and providing
> updates to his blog) and William, who donated $100.00 towards the final
> bill. The PDF handout I created to accompany the CD shall be uploaded to the
> wiki page.
>
> Thanks again for making the event a success. Thoughts and suggestions for
> improving the event are welcome.
>
> Regards,
>
> Vasudev.
>
> --- On Mon, 10/12/09, Vasudev Seeram
<cavguy101@...<cavguy101%40yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: Vasudev Seeram <cavguy101@... <cavguy101%40yahoo.com>>
> Subject: [ttlug] TTLUG Meet'n'Greet Session on Thursday 15th October at J.
> Malone's in MovieTowne
> To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com <TTLUG%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 11:39 AM
>
>
>
>
> The Trinidad and Tobago Linux Users Group shall be having a "Meet'n'Greet"
> session on Thursday 15th October 2009 at J. Malone's Irish Pub in
> MovieTowne.
>
> Date: Thursday 15th October 2009
>
> Time: 6:00 P.M. to 7:00 P.M.
>
> Venue: J. Malone's in MovieTowne
>
> Come let's kick back in a relaxing environment as we network and blah about
> Linux, computing and everything.
>
> This month, attendees shall receive a FREE copy of the latest version of
> the Knoppix live CD distro. Due to the limited number of CDs available, the
> CDs shall be distributed to attendees on a first-come, first-served basis.
> Additional copies are available at TT$50.00 per CD.
>
> As is customary, attendees are expected to pick up their own tab (unless
> someone wants to sponsor...).
>
> All are welcome. See you there!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



--
Nissan Dookeran
http://blog.redditech.com
http://redditech.blogspot.com
http://redditech.wordpress.com
----
"Find a problem.  Figure out how to solve the problem.  Find more people
with the same problem and you have a business."
(Gary Schoeniger, founder of the Entrepreneurial Learning Initiative)

The Law of Motion & Responsibility:
If you are neither learning nor contributing you are needed elsewhere.


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#18941 From: Dave Smith <dave.smith@...>
Date: Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:38 am
Subject: Why Microsoft can't afford Windows 7 to fail
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On Thursday, Microsoft launches Windows 7, the latest version of its
operating system. Its success or failure will determine the future of the
world's biggest software company.
More from the BBC ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8310867.stm

--
Struggle - Solidarity – Socialism
Lucha - Solidaridad – Socialismo
E-mail: dave.smith@...


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#18942 From: Shivan Jaikaran <shivanj@...>
Date: Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:43 am
Subject: ttlug.org Update
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Hi All, just to let everyone know I have upgraded the ttlug.org
website to the latest stable version of Drupal (6.14). All the modules
have also been upgraded to the latest stable version.

Just a reminder, if you write a personal blog and you have linux
related articles you can use the following page to send in the
absolute URL for the linux tagged articles, and I'll include it in the
TTLUG Planet.

http://ttlug.org/contact

Regards,
Shivan Jaikaran
http://www.shivanjaikaran.com

#18943 From: Khyron <khyron4eva@...>
Date: Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:56 am
Subject: Re: [ttlug] The Btrfs File System
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As a follow up to this thread, the lead engineer for (and original designer
of)
ZFS said this on the public ZFS discussion mailing list RE: Apple removing
ZFS
from MacOS X:

=== START ===

> Apple can currently just take the ZFS CDDL code and incorporate it
> (like they did with DTrace), but it may be that they wanted a "private
> license" from Sun (with appropriate technical support and
> indemnification), and the two entities couldn't come to mutually
> agreeable terms.

I cannot disclose details, but that is the essence of it.

=== END ===

On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 01:42, Khyron <khyron4eva@...> wrote:

> Ha ha ha ha!!!  How humorous that so many people who don't like Solaris
> are commenting on Solaris features.
>
> *Fact:* No one knows WHY Apple dropped ZFS from Snow Leopard.  No one
> outside of Apple who is talking anyway.  All reasons you hear are
> speculation.
> Period.  The evidence does not support this reason, or any other published
> anywhere else by anyone else.  Since Apple RELEASED ZFS (read-only) as
> part of the one of the previews for Snow Leopard during summer 2008, the
> license issues are NOT LIKELY the reason.  Probability favors other legal
> issues
> around ZFS, namely the NetApp lawsuit (which NetApp will lose, most likely)
>
> and the ZFS+ lawsuit (which GreenBytes will likely lose).  Of course, it
> has also
> been speculated that ZFS was not ready with the level of polish that Apple
> was looking for, which, knowing Apple, would also make a lot of sense.
> That
> and how many people do STUPID things which blow away their ZFS pools.
> Since FreeBSD has successfully shipped ZFS for several releases, again,
> licensing
> is PROBABLY NOT the issue.
>
> *Fact:* Apple's non-proprietary code uses the Apple Public Source License,
>
> which IS compatible with the CDDL.  See the fact that Apple includes and
> SHIPS DTrace as part of OS X since the release of Leopard (MacOS X 10.5).
> Both DTrace and ZFS are licensed with CDDL, and since OS X *IS* based on
> the XNU system (the Darwin OS, effectively a Mach kernel on top of FreeBSD
> OS and NetBSD userland, roughly), all of those BSD licensed components are
> compatible with the CDDL.  Even Apple's proprietary code - Core Data, Core
> Image, QuickTime, Core Animation, Core Audio, Quartz, Cocoa, etc. - are all
>
> compatible because Apple OWNS the code, so they can do anything they
> want on top of the BSD licensed components and not infringe.
>
> *Fact:* The BSD license is more friendly to businesses than the GPL.  In
> fact,
> the GNU project and FSF explain situations in which they prefer GPL
> licensing
> vs. other licensing (e.g. they don't care) on their licensing web site,
> which I
> have linked to below.  Basically, they care if the library confers special
> advantage that doesn't exist in other, non-free libraries.  If it doesn't
> confer
> special advantages, they don't seem to particularly care if you use GPL vs.
> any
> other license (relatively speaking).  The following quote from the BSD
> licenses
> page on Wikipedia is useful:
>
> "The BSD License allows proprietary use, and for the software released
> under
> the license to be incorporated into proprietary products. Works based on
> the
> material may be released under a proprietary license or as closed source
> software. This is the reason for widespread use of the BSD code in
> proprietary
> products, ranging from Juniper
Networks<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juniper_Networks>routers to Mac
> OS X
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X>.[4]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_lic\
enses#cite_note-3>
> "
>
>
>
> For some reference...
>
> http://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-not-lgpl.html
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_%28operating_system%29
>
> http://developer.kde.org/documentation/licensing/licenses_summary.html
>
> http://www.scaledb.com/tag/bsd-license/
>
> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/apsl.html
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_licenses
>
>
>
http://www.pcworld.com/article/168428/sun_tussles_with_deduplication_startup.htm\
l?tk=r
>
>
> Study hard - real HARD - grasshopper.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 19:28, Richard Bailey <rmjb@...> wrote:
>
>> Wow, throw a little bait and see what happens...
>>
>> Anyhow, while ZFS is the best unfortunately it's license is not compatible
>> with most anything else. That's why it has not been added to Linux yet.
>> This
>> is also the reason why Apple dropped it from the latest version of MacOS.
>> If
>> Oracle decides to/can re-license it then maybe that will change.
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Khyron <khyron4eva@...> wrote:
>>
>> > Ha ha ha ha ha!!!!
>> >
>> > Yes, Oracle employs the lead developer of Btrfs.  Of course, since
>> Oracle
>> > owns ZFS now (or shortly), the question is does it make sense to
>> continue
>> > funding the closest competitor to ZFS (in the open source world) if you
>> own
>> > the real thing.  Maybe not.  Safra Catz isn't one for inefficiency.
>> >
>> > Filesystems are serious work.  ZFS has a decade of development and
>> > experience behind it.  Btrfs, not so much.  ZFS has petabytes of storage
>> > deployment behind it, and exabytes in front of it.  Btrfs is not
>> production
>> > ready.  People get very angry when they lose their data; sit on the ZFS
>> > mailing lists and see the reports of people who do have problems
>> (usually
>> > associated with substandard hardware).  It'd be hilarious instead of
>> merely
>> > funny IF they had actually bothered to use ECC RAM, for example.  So
>> > what kind of problems will Btrfs have when it starts out of the gate?
>>  ZFS
>> > has a clear lead.  Maybe Oracle continue development, releases it, and
>> > continues supporting it.  Maybe they don't.  Who knows.  But they
>> shortly
>> > will own the real thing, the thing that Btrfs most wants to be.  Why
>> > continue
>> > building the alternative when you own the real thing?
>> >
>> > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 23:18, Richard Bailey <rmjb@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > > I heard about this before, it was pitched as Linux's answer to zfs.
>> > Oracle
>> > > is making it right?
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Vasudev Seeram <cavguy101@...>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Btrfs, the designated "next generation file system" for Linux,
>> offers a
>> > > > range of features that are not available in other Linux file systems
>> –
>> > > and
>> > > > it's nearly ready for production use.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> http://www.h-online.com/open/The-Btrfs-file-system--/features/113738
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > V.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > "Asking the wrong questions is the leading cause of wrong answers."
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ------------------------------------
>> > >
>> > > Help build TTLUG by forwarding this to anyone who is interested in the
>> > > subject matter or would otherwise benefit from joining the mailing
>> list.
>> > >
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>> > > To unsubscribe, send an email to_____
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>> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > "You can choose your friends, you can choose the deals." - Equity
>> Private
>> >
>> > AlphaGuy - http://alphaguy.blogspot.com
>> > On Twitter - @khyron4eva
>> >
>> >
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> >
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>> > subject matter or would otherwise benefit from joining the mailing list.
>> >
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>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ttlug
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>> > To unsubscribe, send an email to_____ TTLUG-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> "Asking the wrong questions is the leading cause of wrong answers."
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Help build TTLUG by forwarding this to anyone who is interested in the
>> subject matter or would otherwise benefit from joining the mailing list.
>>
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>> To subscribe, send an email to_______ TTLUG-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>> To unsubscribe, send an email to_____ TTLUG-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>> List owner/moderator Richard Jobity__ TTLUG-owner@yahoogroups.com
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> "You can choose your friends, you can choose the deals." - Equity Private
>
> AlphaGuy - http://alphaguy.blogspot.com
> On Twitter - @khyron4eva
>
>


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#18944 From: "Brendon Ballantyne" <brother_bee@...>
Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:16 pm
Subject: 1 idea for increasing Linux usage
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Hi guys, I'm sure this has been considered before, but I haven't seen it put
into practice effectively, if at all..

Businesses and home users purchase hardware/software with much consideration
given to after-sales support. That's why Dell invests in their support
infrastructure and Microsoft ensures people like us get trained on their
software to support their customers. Microsoft also advertises lists of their
certified partners to point customers in the right direction.

How about the TTLUG copying that model to some extent, where local Linux
professionals can be listed on the TTLUG's website to give some measure of
reassurance to businesses who wish utilise Linux but don't really know where to
start? Issues like listing requirements e.g. formal certification, proof of
experience, client reviews etc. should be considered as well. Another place to
take ideas from is Crossloop.com (helps people connect with computer experts).

I think this is a good way of helping more people get over the fear of something
simple going wrong with their Linux system and not being able to find anyone who
can help. It's a fear I have too, even though I know some of you Linux pros
personally.

What do you think?

Regards,
Brendon

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#18945 From: Stephen Sankarsingh <stephentnt@...>
Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:29 pm
Subject: Re: [ttlug] 1 idea for increasing Linux usage
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Sadly, some of us have been working in IT for years without even a
certificate that says we are qualified to use MS Office.
We call ourselves figure-outerers, not Linux Professionals.
All we ever learnt to do was read, use Google and play Starcraft

/Stephen

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Brendon Ballantyne <brother_bee@...
> wrote:

>
>
> Hi guys, I'm sure this has been considered before, but I haven't seen it
> put into practice effectively, if at all..
>
> Businesses and home users purchase hardware/software with much
> consideration given to after-sales support. That's why Dell invests in their
> support infrastructure and Microsoft ensures people like us get trained on
> their software to support their customers. Microsoft also advertises lists
> of their certified partners to point customers in the right direction.
>
> How about the TTLUG copying that model to some extent, where local Linux
> professionals can be listed on the TTLUG's website to give some measure of
> reassurance to businesses who wish utilise Linux but don't really know where
> to start? Issues like listing requirements e.g. formal certification, proof
> of experience, client reviews etc. should be considered as well. Another
> place to take ideas from is Crossloop.com (helps people connect with
> computer experts).
>
> I think this is a good way of helping more people get over the fear of
> something simple going wrong with their Linux system and not being able to
> find anyone who can help. It's a fear I have too, even though I know some of
> you Linux pros personally.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Regards,
> Brendon
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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#18946 From: Shivan Jaikaran <shivanj@...>
Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:09 pm
Subject: Re: [ttlug] 1 idea for increasing Linux usage
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This is a good idea....and the good thing about the TTLUG's website is that
anyone can go on and update the website. So feel free to do so...

maybe start off by creating a page, give it an appropriate title. It should
show up on the homepage right after that.


Regards,
Shivan Jaikaran
http://www.shivanjaikaran.com


2009/10/30 Brendon Ballantyne <brother_bee@...>

>
>
> Hi guys, I'm sure this has been considered before, but I haven't seen it
> put into practice effectively, if at all..
>
> Businesses and home users purchase hardware/software with much
> consideration given to after-sales support. That's why Dell invests in their
> support infrastructure and Microsoft ensures people like us get trained on
> their software to support their customers. Microsoft also advertises lists
> of their certified partners to point customers in the right direction.
>
> How about the TTLUG copying that model to some extent, where local Linux
> professionals can be listed on the TTLUG's website to give some measure of
> reassurance to businesses who wish utilise Linux but don't really know where
> to start? Issues like listing requirements e.g. formal certification, proof
> of experience, client reviews etc. should be considered as well. Another
> place to take ideas from is Crossloop.com (helps people connect with
> computer experts).
>
> I think this is a good way of helping more people get over the fear of
> something simple going wrong with their Linux system and not being able to
> find anyone who can help. It's a fear I have too, even though I know some of
> you Linux pros personally.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Regards,
> Brendon
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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#18947 From: Allan Samaroo <samaroo@...>
Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:41 pm
Subject: Re: [ttlug] 1 idea for increasing Linux usage
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Good suggestion Shivan.  Referring to your previous, what have you SEO'd
the TTLUG website for?  Have I phrased my question correctly?


Allan.





Shivan Jaikaran wrote:
> This is a good idea....and the good thing about the TTLUG's website is that
> anyone can go on and update the website. So feel free to do so...
>
> maybe start off by creating a page, give it an appropriate title. It should
> show up on the homepage right after that.
>
>
> Regards,
> Shivan Jaikaran
> http://www.shivanjaikaran.com
>
>
> 2009/10/30 Brendon Ballantyne <brother_bee@...>
>
>>
>> Hi guys, I'm sure this has been considered before, but I haven't seen it
>> put into practice effectively, if at all..

#18948 From: Allan Samaroo <samaroo@...>
Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:45 pm
Subject: Re: [ttlug] 1 idea for increasing Linux usage
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Yup......this has been discussed and considered years before....maybe
it's time to re-open the discussion...



Brendon Ballantyne wrote:
> Hi guys, I'm sure this has been considered before, but I haven't seen it put
into practice effectively, if at all..
>
> Businesses and home users purchase hardware/software with much consideration
given to after-sales support. That's why Dell invests in their support
infrastructure and Microsoft ensures people like us get trained on their
software to support their customers. Microsoft also advertises lists of their
certified partners to point customers in the right direction.
>
> How about the TTLUG copying that model to some extent, where local Linux
professionals can be listed on the TTLUG's website to give some measure of
reassurance to businesses who wish utilise Linux but don't really know where to
start? Issues like listing requirements e.g. formal certification, proof of
experience, client reviews etc. should be considered as well. Another place to
take ideas from is Crossloop.com (helps people connect with computer experts).
>
> I think this is a good way of helping more people get over the fear of
something simple going wrong with their Linux system and not being able to find
anyone who can help. It's a fear I have too, even though I know some of you
Linux pros personally.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Regards,
> Brendon
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

#18949 From: kimaniidanieldotcom <kimmyworld@...>
Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:03 pm
Subject: Re: [ttlug] 1 idea for increasing Linux usage
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Good idea.... I've been Linux Plus Certified for years...

KD

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Allan Samaroo <samaroo@...> wrote:

>
>
> Yup......this has been discussed and considered years before....maybe
> it's time to re-open the discussion...
>
>
> Brendon Ballantyne wrote:
> > Hi guys, I'm sure this has been considered before, but I haven't seen it
> put into practice effectively, if at all..
> >
> > Businesses and home users purchase hardware/software with much
> consideration given to after-sales support. That's why Dell invests in their
> support infrastructure and Microsoft ensures people like us get trained on
> their software to support their customers. Microsoft also advertises lists
> of their certified partners to point customers in the right direction.
> >
> > How about the TTLUG copying that model to some extent, where local Linux
> professionals can be listed on the TTLUG's website to give some measure of
> reassurance to businesses who wish utilise Linux but don't really know where
> to start? Issues like listing requirements e.g. formal certification, proof
> of experience, client reviews etc. should be considered as well. Another
> place to take ideas from is Crossloop.com (helps people connect with
> computer experts).
> >
> > I think this is a good way of helping more people get over the fear of
> something simple going wrong with their Linux system and not being able to
> find anyone who can help. It's a fear I have too, even though I know some of
> you Linux pros personally.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Brendon
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>



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#18950 From: Richard Bailey <rmjb@...>
Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:28 pm
Subject: Re: [ttlug] 1 idea for increasing Linux usage
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From the proposal Certification would just be one aspect. Others like
experience and client reviews will apply to you Stephen, no worries.

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Stephen Sankarsingh
<stephentnt@...>wrote:

>
>
> Sadly, some of us have been working in IT for years without even a
> certificate that says we are qualified to use MS Office.
> We call ourselves figure-outerers, not Linux Professionals.
> All we ever learnt to do was read, use Google and play Starcraft
>
> /Stephen
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Brendon Ballantyne <
> brother_bee@... <brother_bee%40hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hi guys, I'm sure this has been considered before, but I haven't seen it
> > put into practice effectively, if at all..
> >
> > Businesses and home users purchase hardware/software with much
> > consideration given to after-sales support. That's why Dell invests in
> their
> > support infrastructure and Microsoft ensures people like us get trained
> on
> > their software to support their customers. Microsoft also advertises
> lists
> > of their certified partners to point customers in the right direction.
> >
> > How about the TTLUG copying that model to some extent, where local Linux
> > professionals can be listed on the TTLUG's website to give some measure
> of
> > reassurance to businesses who wish utilise Linux but don't really know
> where
> > to start? Issues like listing requirements e.g. formal certification,
> proof
> > of experience, client reviews etc. should be considered as well. Another
> > place to take ideas from is Crossloop.com (helps people connect with
> > computer experts).
> >
> > I think this is a good way of helping more people get over the fear of
> > something simple going wrong with their Linux system and not being able
> to
> > find anyone who can help. It's a fear I have too, even though I know some
> of
> > you Linux pros personally.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Brendon
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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#18951 From: Shivan Jaikaran <shivanj@...>
Date: Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:27 am
Subject: Re: [ttlug] 1 idea for increasing Linux usage
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2009/10/30 Allan Samaroo <samaroo@...>
>

> Good suggestion Shivan. Referring to your previous, what have you SEO'd
> the TTLUG website for? Have I phrased my question correctly?
>


I haven't actually. Didn't touch on that area at all.

Shivan

#18952 From: Ray Dookie <raydookie@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:28 am
Subject: Google launches new programming language - Go
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http://mashable.com/2009/11/10/go-google-language/


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#18953 From: kimaniidanieldotcom <kimmyworld@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:25 am
Subject: Re: [ttlug] Google launches new programming language - Go
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Its like learning Java or PHP, what's the point? The syntax does not look as
simple as python or ruby.

KD

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Ray Dookie <raydookie@...> wrote:

>
>
> http://mashable.com/2009/11/10/go-google-language/
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>
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#18954 From: Hassan Voyeau <hassan.voyeau@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:36 pm
Subject: Re: [ttlug] Google launches new programming language - Go
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I wouldn't worry too much about syntax. Syntax is something you get
accustomed to eventually. I would focus on the features provided.

from http://golang.org/doc/go_faq.html#What_is_the_purpose_of_the_project
"

    - It is possible to compile a large Go program in a few seconds on a
    single computer.
    - Go provides a model for software construction that makes dependency
    analysis easy and avoids much of the overhead of C-style include files and
    libraries.
    - Go's type system has no hierarchy, so no time is spent defining the
    relationships between types. Also, although Go has static types the language
    attempts to make types feel lighter weight than in typical OO languages.
    - Go is fully garbage-collected and provides fundamental support for
    concurrent execution and communication.
    - By its design, Go proposes an approach for the construction of system
    software on multicore machines.

"

2009/11/11 kimaniidanieldotcom <kimmyworld@...>

> Its like learning Java or PHP, what's the point? The syntax does not look
> as
> simple as python or ruby.
>
> KD
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Ray Dookie <raydookie@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > http://mashable.com/2009/11/10/go-google-language/
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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#18955 From: Dave Smith <dave.smith@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:31 pm
Subject: Wikipedia's future in Africa
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*Expansion into Africa and other non-English speaking areas is a top
priority for Wikipedia, site founder Jimmy Wales has said.

More from the BBC ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8358539.stm
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#18956 From: Richard Bailey <rmjb@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 1:40 pm
Subject: Re: [ttlug] Wikipedia's future
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I see they're doing another fund raising drive. Do any of you donate?

On 11/14/09, Dave Smith <dave.smith@...> wrote:
> *Expansion into Africa and other non-English speaking areas is a top
> priority for Wikipedia, site founder Jimmy Wales has said.
>
> More from the BBC ...
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8358539.stm
> *
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> Struggle - Solidarity – Socialism
> Lucha - Solidaridad – Socialismo
> E-mail: dave.smith@...
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>
>
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#18957 From: Vasudev Seeram <cavguy101@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:48 pm
Subject: TTLUG Meet'n'Greet Session on Thursday 19th November at J. Malone's in MovieTowne
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The Trinidad and Tobago Linux Users Group shall be having a "Meet'n'Greet"
session on Thursday 19th November 2009 at J. Malone's Irish Pub in MovieTowne.

Date: Thursday 19th November

Time: 6:00 P.M. to 7:00 P.M.

Venue: J. Malone's in MovieTowne

Come let's kick back in a relaxing environment as we network and ol' talk about
Linux, computing and everything.

This month, attendees shall receive a FREE copy of a yet-to-be-determined
distro. Due to the limited availability of these mysterious CDs, the CDs shall
be distributed to attendees on a first-come, first-served basis. Additional
copies are available at TT$50.00 per CD.

As is customary, attendees are expected to pick up their own tab, or wait
patiently until someone sponsors a round... ^_^

All are welcome. See you there!




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#18958 From: Shivan Jaikaran <shivanj@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:57 pm
Subject: Re: [ttlug] TTLUG Meet'n'Greet Session on Thursday 19th November at J. Malone's in MovieTowne
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Hi All,

I will be facilitating a talk on Drupal at this session. There is no
structure to the talk, it will be improvised based on the direction that the
present attendees put forward.

So come with your questions and I'll be happy to answer them!

Regards,
Shivan Jaikaran
http://www.shivanjaikaran.com


2009/11/14 Vasudev Seeram <cavguy101@...>

>
>
> The Trinidad and Tobago Linux Users Group shall be having a "Meet'n'Greet"
> session on Thursday 19th November 2009 at J. Malone's Irish Pub in
> MovieTowne.
>
> Date: Thursday 19th November
>
> Time: 6:00 P.M. to 7:00 P.M.
>
> Venue: J. Malone's in MovieTowne
>
> Come let's kick back in a relaxing environment as we network and ol' talk
> about
> Linux, computing and everything.
>
> This month, attendees shall receive a FREE copy of a yet-to-be-determined
> distro. Due to the limited availability of these mysterious CDs, the CDs
> shall be distributed to attendees on a first-come, first-served basis.
> Additional copies are available at TT$50.00 per CD.
>
> As is customary, attendees are expected to pick up their own tab, or wait
> patiently until someone sponsors a round... ^_^
>
> All are welcome. See you there!
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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#18959 From: Nissan Dookeran <nissan.dookeran@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:19 pm
Subject: Re: [ttlug] TTLUG Meet'n'Greet Session on Thursday 19th November at J. Malone's in MovieTowne
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I might make the tail end of this meetup (around 7pm), but will be up for
sponsoring my usual pitcher of Carib/Stag for folks still hanging around.

-Nissan

2009/11/14 Shivan Jaikaran <shivanj@...>

> Hi All,
>
> I will be facilitating a talk on Drupal at this session. There is no
> structure to the talk, it will be improvised based on the direction that
> the
> present attendees put forward.
>
> So come with your questions and I'll be happy to answer them!
>
> Regards,
> Shivan Jaikaran
> http://www.shivanjaikaran.com
>
>
> 2009/11/14 Vasudev Seeram <cavguy101@...>
>
> >
> >
> > The Trinidad and Tobago Linux Users Group shall be having a
> "Meet'n'Greet"
> > session on Thursday 19th November 2009 at J. Malone's Irish Pub in
> > MovieTowne.
> >
> > Date: Thursday 19th November
> >
> > Time: 6:00 P.M. to 7:00 P.M.
> >
> > Venue: J. Malone's in MovieTowne
> >
> > Come let's kick back in a relaxing environment as we network and ol' talk
> > about
> > Linux, computing and everything.
> >
> > This month, attendees shall receive a FREE copy of a yet-to-be-determined
> > distro. Due to the limited availability of these mysterious CDs, the CDs
> > shall be distributed to attendees on a first-come, first-served basis.
> > Additional copies are available at TT$50.00 per CD.
> >
> > As is customary, attendees are expected to pick up their own tab, or wait
> > patiently until someone sponsors a round... ^_^
> >
> > All are welcome. See you there!
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Help build TTLUG by forwarding this to anyone who is interested in the
> subject matter or would otherwise benefit from joining the mailing list.
>
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> To subscribe, send an email to_______ TTLUG-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> To unsubscribe, send an email to_____ TTLUG-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> List owner/moderator Richard Jobity__ TTLUG-owner@yahoogroups.com
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>
>
>
>


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#18960 From: Shivan Jaikaran <shivanj@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:29 pm
Subject: Re: [ttlug] TTLUG Meet'n'Greet Session on Thursday 19th November at J. Malone's in MovieTowne
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Facebook event and website updated, feel free to spread the word out by
sending out this link. (The facebook event is on the website)

http://ttlug.org/node/6

Regards,
Shivan Jaikaran
http://www.shivanjaikaran.com


2009/11/14 Nissan Dookeran <nissan.dookeran@...>

>
>
> I might make the tail end of this meetup (around 7pm), but will be up for
> sponsoring my usual pitcher of Carib/Stag for folks still hanging around.
>
> -Nissan
>
> 2009/11/14 Shivan Jaikaran <shivanj@... <shivanj%40gmail.com>>
>
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I will be facilitating a talk on Drupal at this session. There is no
> > structure to the talk, it will be improvised based on the direction that
> > the
> > present attendees put forward.
> >
> > So come with your questions and I'll be happy to answer them!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Shivan Jaikaran
> > http://www.shivanjaikaran.com
> >
> >
> > 2009/11/14 Vasudev Seeram <cavguy101@... <cavguy101%40yahoo.com>>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > The Trinidad and Tobago Linux Users Group shall be having a
> > "Meet'n'Greet"
> > > session on Thursday 19th November 2009 at J. Malone's Irish Pub in
> > > MovieTowne.
> > >
> > > Date: Thursday 19th November
> > >
> > > Time: 6:00 P.M. to 7:00 P.M.
> > >
> > > Venue: J. Malone's in MovieTowne
> > >
> > > Come let's kick back in a relaxing environment as we network and ol'
> talk
> > > about
> > > Linux, computing and everything.
> > >
> > > This month, attendees shall receive a FREE copy of a
> yet-to-be-determined
> > > distro. Due to the limited availability of these mysterious CDs, the
> CDs
> > > shall be distributed to attendees on a first-come, first-served basis.
> > > Additional copies are available at TT$50.00 per CD.
> > >
> > > As is customary, attendees are expected to pick up their own tab, or
> wait
> > > patiently until someone sponsors a round... ^_^
> > >
> > > All are welcome. See you there!
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
>
> >
> > Help build TTLUG by forwarding this to anyone who is interested in the
> > subject matter or would otherwise benefit from joining the mailing list.
> >
> > Trinidad and Tobago Linux Users Group
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ttlug
> > To subscribe, send an email to_______
TTLUG-subscribe@yahoogroups.com<TTLUG-subscribe%40yahoogroups.com>
> > To unsubscribe, send an email to_____
TTLUG-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<TTLUG-unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com>
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TTLUG-owner@yahoogroups.com<TTLUG-owner%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
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> with the same problem and you have a business."
> (Gary Schoeniger, founder of the Entrepreneurial Learning Initiative)
>
> The Law of Motion & Responsibility:
> If you are neither learning nor contributing you are needed elsewhere.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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#18961 From: Ray Dookie <raydookie@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:18 am
Subject: How to Profit off the Poor… and Keep Your Soul
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http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/15/how-to-profit-off-the-poor
…-and-keep-your-soul/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A\
+Techcrunch+%28TechCrunch%29&utm_content=Google+Reader

How to Profit off the Poor… and Keep Your
Soul<http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/15/how-to-profit-off-the-poor%e2%80%a6-an\
d-keep-your-soul/>
  by Sarah Lacy <http://www.techcrunch.com/author/sarah-lacy/> on November
15, 2009

[image: holeinthewall]DELHI, INDIA–“I’ll take you! I live there!” a small
boy with a blue shirt and a perfect toothy grin said as he ran ahead of me.
His quiet friend in yellow jogged beside him smiling shyly, his jet-black
Elvis curl bobbing on his forehead. The boy in blue stopped a few yards in
front of me turned around, beaming and added in Hindi, “I know computers
quite well.”

These weren’t middle class kids on the well-trod, parent-driven Indian path
to seats at IIT. These were Delhi slum kids, whose families likely live on
less than $2 a day. And yet, for the last five years, they’ve spent several
hours of their free time every day playing games and learning English, Math
and Science on computers.

So how have they bridged the much-agonized-about digital divide without a
hand out from a chip company, computer company or wealthy philanthropist? A
for-profit Indian company called
NIIT<http://www.niit.com/Pages/DefaultINDIA.aspx>
.

It started back in 1999 when Sugata Mitra, NIIT’s chief scientist, noticed
his kid could learn how to use gadgets like a mobile phone far faster than
tech-savvy adults could. At this time, most computer “labs” in Indian
schools were one or two computers that were only to be used under the strict
supervision of a teacher. The reasoning was computers were expensive and
required training and supervision. As a result many kids only got to look at
them from afar in the classroom.

Instead Mitra wondered what would happen if he left a computer out in the
open for a group of children to discover. So he literally knocked a hole in
the office wall to the slum on the other side.  He shoved a computer in the
hole and set up a camera on a tree limb to record what happened. A
13-year-old, illiterate kid who’d never seen a computer wandered over
tentatively, and soon realized he could move the cursor by moving a finger
across the touch pad. Within four hours, a small group of kids had gathered.
They had figured out how to open Internet Explorer and were playing a game
on Disney’s Web site. “All of us were absolutely shocked watching that,”
says Abhishek Gupta who heads the program now. Some expected the kids to
break or even try to steal the computer.

A pilot project with the World Bank followed, and 22 of these “Hole in the
Wall <http://www.hole-in-the-wall.com/>” kiosks were set up around the
country from 2001 to 2005. The organization studied the results closely. The
most obvious take-away was that kids left on their own will learn computers.
The project also helped develop team-building and social skills—with 200
kids sometimes huddled around one screen. Whether the computers lead to more
general academic improvement was less clear, but in many cases it was up
measurably, Gupta says.

But interestingly when that partnership was over, NIIT didn’t take the
project down the non-profit route. It’s not because the company is adverse
to such things—it’s also opening a new high-end university that is run as a
non-profit. But there’s a unique attitude in India that believes the way to
eradicate poverty is to turn India’s scrappiest, free-market entrepreneurs
on the problem, not to increase handouts.

NIIT now sells the kiosks at between $6,000 and $20,000—depending on which
model and how many screens—to the government, who puts them mostly in
schools in India’s poorest areas. There are 500 stations in India and a
handful in 10 different African countries.

Having customers means NIIT has had to compromise on the original vision.
For instance, the government requires administrators to keep an eye on the
systems. They’re not open when an administrator isn’t there. But running the
program as a business has assured its survival and given NIIT the cash flow
to pour money into content creation so it doesn’t have to rely on the
country’s spotty Internet connections for kids to stay engaged. Gupta says
his job isn’t necessarily to be a profit center. Success is running a
break-even program that makes a social impact. But that’s still a world away
from a donor-funded program.

NIIT isn’t alone. For profit companies have made microfinance loans for
years in India. One of the most known is SKS
Microfinance<http://www.sksindia.com/>.
It was run as a non-profit in the early days, but when it was time to scale,
decided to turn into a Sequoia Capital-backed startup. “It’s important to
realize the poor have been paying three-to-four times more to the local
money lender,” says Surendra Jain, a managing director with Sequoia in
Bangalore. “There’s nothing wrong with using the same tools to scale the way
other companies scale. The question is: In your heart are you doing the
right thing?”

Even non-profits I’ve met over the last two weeks run themselves to rely on
revenues not donors. An example is LabourNet<http://www.labournet.in/aboutus>,
a company that seeks to move India’s huge informal workforce into a formal
channel*. *The company organizes phalanxes of construction crews, drivers,
cooks and retail clerks and matches them with the best employers. How does
it reach them? Word of mouth and SMS. So far 7,000 workers are in the
system.

It was started by Solomon JP. His umbrella non-profit organization,
MAYA<http://www.mayaindia.org/>
, <http://www.mayaindia.org/> has already produced one self-sustaining
company that trains poor youth in making high-value furniture. With a grant
from Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, CHF International, an international
NGO addressing urban poverty in India, is providing technical and financial
support to help LabourNet become a self-sustaining enterprise. “Being poor
isn’t about not having money, it’s a lack of capabilities,” JP says. So
LabourNet doesn’t stop at getting poor people a job, it offers access to
healthcare benefits, issues ID cards, and helps with bank accounts,
literacy, and job training too. The worker pays a small fee, and the
employer pays LabourNet a larger one in exchange for matching them up.

It’s hard work. JP has been working with the poor in Bangalore for some 15
years and says it’s like Hotel California. “I don’t recommend this path. I
can never leave. I’m trapped!” he says with a weary half-smile. (I’m not
sure what percentage of that is a joke.) But he believes he and others can
solve the problem through self-sustaining means as long as organizations
don’t sacrifice humanity in the name of efficiency.

It’s a dramatic difference from China, where most entrepreneurs are building
businesses that are aimed squarely at the top of the pyramid or the
burgeoning middle class. But since India is a democracy—and not an
authoritarian one—it doesn’t have the same social safety net of other
emerging worlds. It’s fitting that it’s trying to use a free-market economy
to solve its social ills instead— something American do-gooders could
probably learn from. After all, we’ve got our own digital divide.

One final note on NIIT’s Hole in the Wall program: It was allegedly the
inspiration for the book “Slumdog Millionaire” which spawned the movie.
“Where’s *my *Oscar?” is a favorite joke of Rajendra Pawar, the chairman and
co-founder of NIIT. I asked a lot of people working to eradicate poverty how
they felt about the movie, and most said it was neutral-to-positive for
India. It doesn’t hurt to show rich Americans how one-third of India’s 1.2
billion-person population lives, even if it was sensationalized. The
difference is none of them are banking on a one-time windfall as the answer.


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#18962 From: carroll cole <carroll.cole@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:08 pm
Subject: samba domain
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i am looking for someone who can setup a domain for about 15 computers
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#18963 From: Ray Dookie <raydookie@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:54 pm
Subject: Govt signs MOU with MS
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#18964 From: kimaniidanieldotcom <kimmyworld@...>
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Too bad I'm all the way in Grenada....

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>
>
> i am looking for someone who can setup a domain for about 15 computers
> at work using samba.
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#18965 From: "Richard Jobity" <RichardJ@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:08 pm
Subject: RE: [ttlug] Govt signs MOU with MS
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None so blind as those twho refuse to see.  Or believe in the unlimited
potential of their people.

-rij
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#18966 From: Vasudev Seeram <cavguy101@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:38 am
Subject: Re: [ttlug] TTLUG Meet'n'Greet Session on Thursday 19th November at J. Malone's in MovieTowne
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A big thanks to everyone who attended yesterday's Meet'n'Greet Session at J.
Malone's. We again had a great turnout, with a total of nineteen persons in
attendance. These were: Falina Baksh, Adesh Ramdeen, Egbert Williams, Simeon
Prince, Munesh Beharry, Shivan Jaikaran, Roderick Smith, David McKen, Orlando
Smith, Andre Corbie, Myrie Cape, Dwain Johnson, Lawrence Sinanan, Ray Dookie,
Jeremy Teemul, William Cooper, Nissan Dookeran and myself, together with one
lass who preferred to remain anonymous.

The weather held out better this month, so there was no need to move indoors. In
addition, the Baileys girls (no relation to Richard or David) were on hand
together with their entourage, handing out samples and being immortalized by a
keen photographer from Triniscene.com.

Special thanks to Falina, who burnt copies of this month's distro, Linux Mint,
and to Shivan who was on hand to lead the discussion and answer questions about
Drupal. Thanks to all those who generously contributed towards the final bill.
Your contribution is much appreciated!

Thanks again to everyone for making the event a success. Thoughts and
suggestions for
improving the event are welcome.

Regards,
Vasudev.


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From: Shivan Jaikaran <shivanj@...>
Subject: Re: [ttlug] TTLUG Meet'n'Greet Session on Thursday 19th November at  J.
Malone's in MovieTowne
To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 3:29 PM

Facebook event and website updated, feel free to spread the word out by
sending out this link. (The facebook event is on the website)

http://ttlug.org/node/6

Regards,
Shivan Jaikaran
http://www.shivanjaikaran.com


2009/11/14 Nissan Dookeran <nissan.dookeran@...>

>
>
> I might make the tail end of this meetup (around 7pm), but will be up for
> sponsoring my usual pitcher of Carib/Stag for folks still hanging around.
>
> -Nissan
>
> 2009/11/14 Shivan Jaikaran <shivanj@... <shivanj%40gmail.com>>
>
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I will be facilitating a talk on Drupal at this session. There is no
> > structure to the talk, it will be improvised based on the direction that
> > the
> > present attendees put forward.
> >
> > So come with your questions and I'll be happy to answer them!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Shivan Jaikaran
> > http://www.shivanjaikaran.com
> >
> >
> > 2009/11/14 Vasudev Seeram <cavguy101@... <cavguy101%40yahoo.com>>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > The Trinidad and Tobago Linux Users Group shall be having a
> > "Meet'n'Greet"
> > > session on Thursday 19th November 2009 at J. Malone's Irish Pub in
> > > MovieTowne.
> > >
> > > Date: Thursday 19th November
> > >
> > > Time: 6:00 P.M. to 7:00 P.M.
> > >
> > > Venue: J. Malone's in MovieTowne
> > >
> > > Come let's kick back in a relaxing environment as we network and ol'
> talk
> > > about
> > > Linux, computing and everything.
> > >
> > > This month, attendees shall receive a FREE copy of a
> yet-to-be-determined
> > > distro. Due to the limited availability of these mysterious CDs, the
> CDs
> > > shall be distributed to attendees on a first-come, first-served basis.
> > > Additional copies are available at TT$50.00 per CD.
> > >
> > > As is customary, attendees are expected to pick up their own tab, or
> wait
> > > patiently until someone sponsors a round... ^_^
> > >
> > > All are welcome. See you there!
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#18967 From: Sherwyn Greene <shang_sg16@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 3:02 pm
Subject: Re: [ttlug] samba domain
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Hi Carroll,

I can do that for you, you can contact me @ 787-2006

regards
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Subject: [ttlug] samba domain


i am looking for someone who can setup a domain for about 15 computers
at work using samba.






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