--- In TemperatureLoggers@yahoogroups.com, "aperkins11" <laperkins@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> Has anyone developed any visual basic interfaces to the arbiter to display or
control the data?  I'm really new to VB6 and any code snippets you could send
along or post would be greatly appreciated in helping keep me on the right
programming track.
>

Yes!  See my earlier reply, and one of the pictures I have posted on the Photos
page.

It's not really possible to post 'code snippets' since it depends very much on
what you want to do!  However, the principle is pretty straightforward.

You need to access the data stream by using an MSCOMM control, which you will
find in MSCOMM32.OCX.  Read in the input string and parse it, and there you are!

As for control, I use an interface card called a NETIOM (you can find details at
http://www.phaedrusltd.com) which connects via a standard network connection and
enables you to read 16 digital inputs, write to 16 digital outputs and read four
analogue inputs.

Good luck!

Phil

Hello all,

I've just joined this group and having built an arbiter a few years back mainly
to help me identify the addresses of all my 1 wire devices scattered around my
house.

I'm now in stage 2 of my project and want to marry the arbiter to a visual basic
program to monitor and record temperatures and weather station data for my
heating system analysis.

Has anyone developed any visual basic interfaces to the arbiter to display or
control the data?  I'm really new to VB6 and any code snippets you could send
along or post would be greatly appreciated in helping keep me on the right
programming track.

The Arbiter is a wonderfully elegant device and it has taken me down some very
interesting paths - thanks for sharing it with the world!

Thanks,
a

Hello Phil,

Problem solved - totally happy :-)

The problem was a bad bc557 transistor, don´t ask me why!

The board i working perfectly....

Many thanks for your contribution to my problem!

I will upload som pictures of it ;-)

Thanks

BK

--- In TemperatureLoggers@yahoogroups.com, "philtilson" <Phil@...> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Yes totally sure! :-(
> >
>
> Well, as far as I am aware, if the third LED is flashing periodically, as you
say, then the sensor is operational and the system is working ok.
>
> If you are sure about the settings, the only other thing it can be is the
serial data side of the arbiter - or maybe a corruption in the program in the
micro-controller.  Have you tried flashing the chip again?
>
> Phil
>

> Hello,
>
> Yes totally sure! :-(
>

Well, as far as I am aware, if the third LED is flashing periodically, as you
say, then the sensor is operational and the system is working ok.

If you are sure about the settings, the only other thing it can be is the serial
data side of the arbiter - or maybe a corruption in the program in the
micro-controller.  Have you tried flashing the chip again?

Phil

Hello,

Yes totally sure! :-(

--- In TemperatureLoggers@yahoogroups.com, "philtilson" <Phil@...> wrote:
>
> --- In TemperatureLoggers@yahoogroups.com, "rovthinker" <bardur@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I can`t see any data from the arbiter why?
> >
> > When I connect it to the computer using hyperterminal it starts to poll (Led
1 Steady) (Led 2 Blinking) (Led 3 (Green)blink every 5 sec.)
> But NO data shows same problem with hotbox
> >
> > I have had it connected before long time ago :-( then I could see data!
> >
> > Settings=baud=19200 parity=N data=8 stop=1
> > Port=COM1
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
>
> Only a couple that might seem obvious - but worth checking anyway!
>
> Are you sure your TX and Rx are the right way round on the serial cable?
>
> Are you sure your PC data port is set to 19200? And that it's REALLY COM1?
>
> I have made ALL these mistakes in the past!
>
> Phil
>

--- In TemperatureLoggers@yahoogroups.com, "don" <willieghettoman@...> wrote:
>
> I have a single probe attached to the hardware. I can drag it to any part of
rhe screen. But i would like to that before i could get this +0.0 i had to edit
the configuration settings for the hotbox,else the hotbox did not display any
probe but the arbiter showed signs of working perfectly. I cant guess if the
fault is from my pc but i would try another pc. Thanks for your endless
contribution.
>

As I think I mentioned previously, I don't actually use Hotbox so I may be
talking nonsense, but I suspect that, if all the probes are enabled in the .ini
file (eg Visible=1) then you end up with 64 little text boxes all one on top of
the other in the top left corner.  I don't know what order they go in, but if
it's numerical, and your probe is number 1, then you may have 63 text boxes all
saying 0.0 on top of the one showing the actual temperature!

That's what I meant about clicking-and-dragging the boxes away from that top
left corner.

Phil

--- In TemperatureLoggers@yahoogroups.com, "rovthinker" <bardur@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I can`t see any data from the arbiter why?
>
> When I connect it to the computer using hyperterminal it starts to poll (Led 1
Steady) (Led 2 Blinking) (Led 3 (Green)blink every 5 sec.)
But NO data shows same problem with hotbox
>
> I have had it connected before long time ago :-( then I could see data!
>
> Settings=baud=19200 parity=N data=8 stop=1
> Port=COM1
>
> Any suggestions?
>

Only a couple that might seem obvious - but worth checking anyway!

Are you sure your TX and Rx are the right way round on the serial cable?

Are you sure your PC data port is set to 19200? And that it's REALLY COM1?

I have made ALL these mistakes in the past!

Phil

Hello,

I can`t see any data from the arbiter why?

When I connect it to the computer using hyperterminal it starts to poll
(Led 1 Steady) (Led 2 Blinking) (Led 3 (Green)blink every 5 sec.)

But NO data shows same problem with hotbox

I have had it connected before long time ago :-( then I could see data!

Settings=baud=19200 parity=N data=8 stop=1
Port=COM1

Any suggestions?

I have a single probe attached to the hardware. I can drag it to any part of rhe
screen. But i would like to that before i could get this +0.0 i had to edit the
configuration settings for the hotbox,else the hotbox did not display any probe
but the arbiter showed signs of working perfectly. I cant guess if the fault is
from my pc but i would try another pc. Thanks for your endless contribution.

> ok i would do that later but, it creates a .ini file but the hot box display just stays at +0.0
>
this is the data inside the .ini file for the c;\hotbox. please any further contributions would be highly appreciated. am glad the hardware responds perfectly to the test conditions listed on the website.

--- In TemperatureLoggers@yahoogroups.com, "willieghettoman"
<willieghettoman@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In TemperatureLoggers@yahoogroups.com, "philtilson" <Phil@> wrote:
> >
> > > PLEASE I LIKE TO SEEK FOR SOLUTIONS I JUST FINISHED MY ARBITER 3 DAYS AGO
AND THE HOTBOX DOSENT WORK BUT WHEN I USED SERIAL WATCHER I GET DATA FROM THE
HOT BOT  BUT HYPERTHERM WON'T LOG ANY DATA PLEASE HELP COS ITS QUITE URGENT.
THANKS
> > >
> >
> > Can you post a copy of your Hotbox.ini file?  Or is the program not even
creating Hotbox.ini?
> >
> > Phil
> >
> ok i would do that later but, it creates a .ini file but the hot box display
just stays at +0.0
>
this is the data inside the .ini file for the c;\hotbox. please any further
contributions would be highly appreciated. am glad the hardware responds
perfectly to the test conditions listed on the website.
[Comms]
Settings=baud=19200 parity=N data=8 stop=1
Port=COM1
[Log]
LogFile=c:\hotbox\temp.log
[Probe0]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe0
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe1]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe1
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe2]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe2
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe3]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe3
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe4]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe4
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe5]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe5
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe6]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe6
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe7]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe7
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe8]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe8
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe9]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe9
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe10]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe10
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe11]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe11
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe12]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe12
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe13]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe13
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe14]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe14
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe15]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe15
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe16]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe16
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe17]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe17
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe18]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe18
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe19]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe19
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe20]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe20
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe21]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe21
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe22]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe22
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe23]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe23
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe24]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe24
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe25]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe25
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe26]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe26
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe27]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe27
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe28]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe28
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe29]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe29
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe30]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe30
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe31]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe31
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe32]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe32
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe33]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe33
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe34]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe34
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe35]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe35
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe36]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe36
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe37]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe37
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe38]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe38
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe39]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe39
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe40]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe40
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe41]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe41
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe42]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe42
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe43]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe43
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe44]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe44
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe45]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe45
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe46]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe46
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe47]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe47
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe48]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe48
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe49]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe49
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe50]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe50
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe51]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe51
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe52]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe52
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe53]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe53
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe54]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe54
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe55]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe55
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe56]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe56
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe57]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe57
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe58]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe58
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe59]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe59
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe60]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe60
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe61]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe61
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe62]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe62
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Probe63]
Visible=1
colour red=128
colour green=128
colour blue=128
Name=Probe63
Line Size=1
Border Size=0
[Display]
ColdProbe=-1
HotProbe=-1
CalcTransfer=0
PumpIntersection=0
FlowRate=0
SpecHeat=0
Track=0

--- In TemperatureLoggers@yahoogroups.com, "philtilson" <Phil@...> wrote:
>
> > PLEASE I LIKE TO SEEK FOR SOLUTIONS I JUST FINISHED MY ARBITER 3 DAYS AGO
AND THE HOTBOX DOSENT WORK BUT WHEN I USED SERIAL WATCHER I GET DATA FROM THE
HOT BOT  BUT HYPERTHERM WON'T LOG ANY DATA PLEASE HELP COS ITS QUITE URGENT.
THANKS
> >
>
> Can you post a copy of your Hotbox.ini file?  Or is the program not even
creating Hotbox.ini?
>
> Phil
>
ok i would do that later but, it creates a .ini file but the hot box display
just stays at +0.0

Hello all!!!
I tried to move hotbox.exe to the desktop and yes, it works!!!
Thank you all, and I wish you all the best in everything you do.
                                  Bozo

Hi Nick,

Yes I can see the raw data when I use Terminal.

I use windows XP (latest service pack)



--- In TemperatureLoggers@yahoogroups.com, Nick Hubbard <nick@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Bozo and Rovthinker
>
> (I'm using Bozo as a name - not a comment.)
>
> Please tell me more about the problems you are having.
> I'm mildly surprised to hear of problems. The project has up on the
> web for 9 years, and any obvious bugs spotted very early on.
>
> Do you see the raw RS232 data on Terminal?
>
> What OS?
>
> Best regards
>
> Nick
>
>
>
> 2009/10/18 rovthinker <bardur@...>
> >
> >
> >
> > Same problem her :-(
> >
> > --- In TemperatureLoggers@yahoogroups.com, Bozo Loncar <loncarbozo@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello! I`m very pleased that I can join you.
> > > I`m preparing to make my own logger and I have problems with HOTBOX.EXE
> > > program. I tried hotbox in 3 computers. On one it works, on two it doesn`t
> > > work. On those two computers nothing hapens; the program does not create a
> > > "HOTBOX" map.
> > > Why? And what can I do?
> > > The only diference I can find is that I have two partiticions on those two
> > > computers. Could partiticions be a problem for hotbox?
> > >
> > > Bozo
> > >
> >
> >
>

> PLEASE I LIKE TO SEEK FOR SOLUTIONS I JUST FINISHED MY ARBITER 3 DAYS AGO AND
THE HOTBOX DOSENT WORK BUT WHEN I USED SERIAL WATCHER I GET DATA FROM THE HOT
BOT  BUT HYPERTHERM WOUN'T LOG ANY DATA PLEASE HELP COS ITS QUITE URGENT. THANKS
>

Can you post a copy of your Hotbox.ini file?  Or is the program not even
creating Hotbox.ini?

Phil

> I plan on deploying my sensors into the 250 gallon storage tank, as well as
inside the solar panel on the roof.  What is the best way to waterproof these
sensors?
>
> Also, is there a way to place a sensor inside a water line to measure
temperature?
>

On the first point, Bill, I did this by using a four-inch length of 15mm copper
pipe and soldering an end cap onto one end.  At the other end, I soldered a
brass adaptor that the 15mm pipe fitted snugly into, and that would screw into
one of the many tapping points on the tank.  I then put the sensor into the tube
and filled it with polyester resin (also known as potting compound) which sealed
it completely.

I have put another picture up to show one of my sensors.

As for your second point, I wouldn't worry too much about this.  I assume your
pipes will be fairly heavily insulated, so just strap the sensor firmly to the
copper pipe and make sure it's well inside the insulation.  That should give you
almost no error - certainly good enough for control purposes!

Phil

I plan on deploying my sensors into the 250 gallon storage tank, as well as
inside the solar panel on the roof.  What is the best way to waterproof these
sensors?

Also, is there a way to place a sensor inside a water line to measure
temperature?

What have you guys done?

Thanks
Bill

> That is exactly what I had in mind; numerous sensors all displayed on a screen
with the process layout depicted. It looks fantastic!
>
> -Did you create your user interface with HotBox?
>
> -The arbiter board looks professionally made.  What does it cost to have one
etched like that?  Do you just e-mail the file to a company and they send the
board back?
>
> What part of the world are you in (I see you use metric temperature
measurements)?  I am in North Carolina, USA.
>
> Bill

Hi Bill -

I'm keeping this public as I guess it may be of interest to others looking at
the arbiter et al.

No, the interface was written in VB.  Hotbox was fine as a starting point, but
the system does not only monitor the sensors, but controls the whole system -
valves, pumps, boiler etc.  And I don't think Hotbox can do that - unless I
missed something, Nick?!

I'm flattered by your comment, but the arbiter was built on my bench here!  I
used the PCB layouts that I uploaded to the arbiter web site (apologies again to
anyone who used my earlier version which had an error!).  You can find the here:

http://www.anotherurl.com/therm/Tilson.htm

I do wonder if it might be worth my getting a batch of PCBs made professionally
and sold at cost if there were enough people interested - and if Nick didn't
mind?  However, to answer your question, there are, indeed, companies that you
just send the layout to and they will return a component-ready PCB - but it's
not cheap for a one-off!  Last time I looked, I think it was about $80 for a 4 x
3 card - that's why I do my own!

I live in southern Spain, where I semi-retired nine years ago from the UK.  This
is why solar seemed such a good idea.  Not sure how the weather compares in N
Carolina, but I do remember that when I visited Raleigh it poured with rain the
whole time!

Cheers

Phil

That is exactly what I had in mind; numerous sensors all displayed on a screen
with the process layout depicted. It looks fantastic!

-Did you create your user interface with HotBox?

-The arbiter board looks professionally made.  What does it cost to have one
etched like that?  Do you just e-mail the file to a company and they send the
board back?

What part of the world are you in (I see you use metric temperature
measurements)?  I am in North Carolina, USA.

Bill



--- In TemperatureLoggers@yahoogroups.com, "philtilson" <Phil@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > How about it.  Any veterans want to post pictures or files, etc?
> >
> > Bill
>
>
> Done!  I have put a few pictures up in an album called Phil Tilson (original,
huh?)
>
> Let me know if you want any more details
>

>
> How about it.  Any veterans want to post pictures or files, etc?
>
> Bill


Done!  I have put a few pictures up in an album called Phil Tilson (original,
huh?)

Let me know if you want any more details

Thanks Phil.  Maybe I can get some assistance once I get started!  I am really
new to electronics and programming.  I bought a Basic Stamp to learn both.  The
learning curve is very steep.

How about it.  Any veterans want to post pictures or files, etc?

Bill


--- In TemperatureLoggers@yahoogroups.com, "philtilson" <Phil@...> wrote:
>
> > I am thinking about building one of these to control my solar thermal
heating system (turn ON pump to panels, when panel temp = tank temp +15
degrees).
> >
> > Would this be a good application for this?
> >
>
> Definitely!  I do exactly this.  I have three sensors on the solar panels
(actually banks of tubes) two where the primary comes into the tank, several in
the tank itself, several more on the hot water circulation system and yet more
on the underfloor heating loop.
>
> They all go to the arbiter, which sends its data to an old PC running a VB
application that controls the whole system.
>
> OK - maybe its overkill for your purposes, but it certainly demonstrates the
abilities of the arbiter.
>
> Oh, and I tend to control the pump by comparing the flow and return
temperatures at the panels.  It's set at 4 degrees C at the moment.
>
> Phil
>

> I am thinking about building one of these to control my solar thermal heating
system (turn ON pump to panels, when panel temp = tank temp +15 degrees).
>
> Would this be a good application for this?
>

Definitely!  I do exactly this.  I have three sensors on the solar panels
(actually banks of tubes) two where the primary comes into the tank, several in
the tank itself, several more on the hot water circulation system and yet more
on the underfloor heating loop.

They all go to the arbiter, which sends its data to an old PC running a VB
application that controls the whole system.

OK - maybe its overkill for your purposes, but it certainly demonstrates the
abilities of the arbiter.

Oh, and I tend to control the pump by comparing the flow and return temperatures
at the panels.  It's set at 4 degrees C at the moment.

Phil

15C is too much..... 6C on 4C off is the default for Resol controllers.

cheers
Paul

--- In TemperatureLoggers@yahoogroups.com, "flyinggoat37" <ehrenbeck@...> wrote:
>
>
> I am thinking about building one of these to control my solar thermal heating
system (turn ON pump to panels, when panel temp = tank temp +15 degrees).
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> Would this be a good application for this?
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> Thanks!
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I am thinking about building one of these to control my solar thermal heating
system (turn ON pump to panels, when panel temp = tank temp +15 degrees).

Would this be a good application for this?

Thanks!

Like I said, I`m just preparing to make my own temperature logger. So I haven`t
made the arbiter and I didn`t try any conections. I just tried hotbox itself.
And on one computer works normaly. When I double-click the hotbox icon, the
grafic window opens and on "c:\" hotbox map is made and in this map is
hotbox.ini file.
On this computer I have one local disk, operation system XP 2002-SP3.

On the other two computers in wich hotbox doesn`t work (when I double-click the
hotbox icon nothing hapens-no grafic window opens. On "C:\" does not create a
hotbox map with hotbox.ini file, so I supose hotbox doesn`t work).
On this two computer I also have XP 2002 operation system (on one with SP2 and
the other with SP3).
                              Best regards, Bozo ( it is my name)