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RE: [TeslaTurbine] Magnetic effects around electric currents and absurdities of modern physics

In general these comments do not warrant any response by me, as they are mostly SF for fun (I hope). But I do recall rather vividly my own studies of plasma physics now over 40 years ago, and subsequently following, first breathlessly, then patiently, now sparsely. Plasma physics is very complicated, being the physics of multiple interacting interpenetrating gas flows with extreme variations of temperature. Compressing a plasma is like pushing on a rope. A rope made up of electrons at millions of degrees (or a few EV, however you like to think of it) interpenetrating a gas of several different ion species, and some neutral atoms, in a mix of states and temperatures. When I studied it, theoretical predictions were still mostly pushing into regions where the predictive tools were way overmatched, (plasma likes to tie up any current paths in knots), and I think this is still true today. We are still gradually edging up on a significant fusion capability (call it scientific break even), though perhaps 20 years or more away from a net power out in any practical app, unless one of you teslaites gets really brilliant. I have imagined an array of tesla coils, the high current variation not a spark coil, forming a rotating field in plane to drag a plasma sphere, inside a bottle perhaps, around. Then modify this to include 3 dimensions, a spherical container, and mod the resonance so instead of a flat rotation, you get a flat rotation that is itself rotated at perhaps one tenth the rate of the in plane rotation. This would result in a heavy stirring, as the outside is rotated relative to the inside, and could act to transfer the power used to rotate the plasma into plasma heat. Also, since the plasma would then never be allowed to actually spin as fast as the field tries to drag it, the field will always be pushing the plasma away from the walls. (I think this is a natural reaction to the drag force). Capture the heat output to drive a high temperature steam tesla turbine, and you have a potentially interesting design.
the basic idea is a tesla AC motor, using the plasma as the rotor. While I think it may be possible to get the field drive coils into resonance (why I described them as tesla coils), it is not clear that we can in fact do this and get the neat rotating rotating field. (One rotating for the in plane, and one for the out of plane). Any geniuses think this has merit?.


From: sorincosofret [mailto:sorincosofret@...]
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 3:04 AM
To: TeslaTurbine@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [TeslaTurbine] Magnetic effects around electric currents and absurdities of modern physics

Magnetic effects around electric currents and absurdities of modern physics

It is assumed by actual physics that an electric current traveling along a conductor generate a magnetic field around conductor too.
But, material science makes a clear difference between electronic conduction and ionic conduction. The model of classical electromagnetism is based on electronic conductors and their effects.
What's happened in case of an ionic conductor?
The link:
http://www.elkadot.com/physical-chemistry/Magnetic%20effects%20around%20electric%20currents.htm
The absurdity of ,,Maxwell equations" extension to all electric and magnetic phenomena does not need any comments. The plasma domain is a completely unknown field for actual theoreticians and sure Maxwell equations are ruled out in this field.



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