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#448 From: Mike Passerotti <mpasserotti@...>
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 6:56 pm
Subject: Flywheel
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I've noted that there is much energy in the amount of mass spinning in a TT.
The larger the disk pack, the more energy stored.  I read an article on
flywheel stored energy.  Got me thinking - higher rpm, higher velocity fluid
stream, magnetic bearings, composite materials able to handle steam - pretty
good combination.

Surely, some of you noticed how long it takes to spin down a TT.  Thats a
lot of energy return thats usable and should be put into the equation of
energy return when considering efficiencies (especially if you take into
account the energy expense of spinning up the rotar).

Anyone else putting the flywheel notion to TT?  I don't recall anyone
touting high rpms typical in flywheels.

Mike Passerotti

#449 From: Mike Passerotti <mpasserotti@...>
Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 7:39 pm
Subject: RE: Flywheel
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Turbine and flywheel combination:
http://www.activepower.com/news_events/pressreleases/high_inertia.html

I wonder if they'd be interested in TT?

Mike Passerotti

#450 From: "Barry Turner" <btba09418@...>
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 1:40 am
Subject: Re: Flywheel
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I couldn't agree more Turbine and Flywheel all in one, nice :O)
 
Active power were mentioned as well as Tesla in this article:
 
 
Regards
 
 
Barry
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Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 8:39 PM
Subject: RE: [TeslaTurbine] Flywheel

Turbine and flywheel combination:
http://www.activepower.com/news_events/pressreleases/high_inertia.html

I wonder if they'd be interested in TT?

Mike Passerotti


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#451 From: "Chuck" <chuckkessler@...>
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 8:02 pm
Subject: Re: Flywheel
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Where does one learn about the tesla turbine an how to build it?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 1:56 PM
Subject: [TeslaTurbine] Flywheel

I've noted that there is much energy in the amount of mass spinning in a TT.
The larger the disk pack, the more energy stored.  I read an article on
flywheel stored energy.  Got me thinking - higher rpm, higher velocity fluid
stream, magnetic bearings, composite materials able to handle steam - pretty
good combination.

Surely, some of you noticed how long it takes to spin down a TT.  Thats a
lot of energy return thats usable and should be put into the equation of
energy return when considering efficiencies (especially if you take into
account the energy expense of spinning up the rotar).

Anyone else putting the flywheel notion to TT?  I don't recall anyone
touting high rpms typical in flywheels.

Mike Passerotti


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#452 From: Mike Passerotti <mpasserotti@...>
Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 8:36 pm
Subject: RE: Flywheel
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Welcome Chuck!

Here is my list of links:
http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/gmpr/ptbctoc.htm
http://www.frank.germano.com/tesla_technology.htm
http://www.execpc.com/~teba/main.html

Steam info:
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/

Supersonic micro jets:
http://www.fmrl.fsu.edu/research/koustubh/koustubh/supersonic.htm

Supersonic nozzel pattent:
http://www.delphion.com/details?pn=US05782414__

Book about Tesla:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN%3D1883319919/sciencehobbyist/104-3793
943-1634311

Info on Tesla:
http://www.amasci.com/tesla/tesla.html#keel
http://www.teslascience.org/


Mike Passerotti

-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck [mailto:chuckkessler@...]
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 3:02 PM
To: TeslaTurbine@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [TeslaTurbine] Flywheel


Where does one learn about the tesla turbine an how to build it?

#453 From: "Barry Turner" <btba09418@...>
Date: Sun Apr 7, 2002 11:45 pm
Subject: Extract from Scientific American 1911
odziz
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Hi
 
Came across this after reading some stuff on Tesla Coils.
 
Its consists of an extract in S A from 1911
 
 
Regards
 
Barry

#454 From: "Barry Turner" <btba09418@...>
Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 11:41 pm
Subject: COLD FOG PROCESS BEING TESTED WITH TURBINES
odziz
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Hi
 
Anybody got any further information on this?

COLD FOG PROCESS BEING TESTED WITH TURBINES

Dr. Peter Graneau's unique discovery of producing cold fog with high voltage has been verified to be 1-3x overunity by Hathaway Consulting, Toronto, Ontario, an engineering firm who will be testing it with a Tesla turbine, among others, to match the 1000 m/s cold fog speed.

Regards

Barry


#455 From: "Barry Turner" <btba09418@...>
Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 11:07 pm
Subject: Hydrogen Engine
odziz
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Hi
 
Found this while searching for "Cold Fog"
 
Brinsbury Hydrogen Steam Rotary Engine
A rotor revolves with no reciprocating pistons. Water and hydrogen are injected and ignited. The heat turns the water vapor into high pressure steam on each power stroke. The power is derived from the steam expansion with the hydrogen as the internal heat source. This being the reverse of the present steam engine, where a large body of water is heated externally. They are said to be interested in investors.
 
 
Worth a look to see if the idea could be adapted for the turbine.
 
Regards
 
 
Barry

#456 From: Mike Passerotti <mpasserotti@...>
Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 12:29 pm
Subject: RE: Hydrogen Engine
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More direct info:
http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/rotary.html

I agree that this is interesting for energy conversion.  However, I have a
friend who used to be a funny car driver.  He said that direct conversion of
water to steam in the combustion chamber creates some very high energy water
molecules that eat away pistons.  The steam damage is incredible so he says.
Someone else in this list might back me up on this.

The article mentions Brown's gas.  When I read the patent on the Brown's gas
it was intended for implosion.  The H2O decomposed to 2H2 + O2 and then
recombined to release energy, then take away the energy and the gas becomes
water which is a reduction of volume of some 1700 to 1.  Pretty impressive
vacuumes can be made that way.  Brown's gas was important for the correct
mixture of hydrogen and oxygen so there won't be left over gases resulting
in higher ambient final pressure.

I would suggest direct steam production in an external combustion chamber.
Especially one that is easily serviced to replace the liner.  Then direct
the pressure/velocity of the combustion products to the TT rotar.
Mike Passerotti
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Turner [mailto:btba09418@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 7:07 PM
To: TeslaTurbine@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [TeslaTurbine] Hydrogen Engine


Hi

Found this while searching for "Cold Fog"

Brinsbury Hydrogen Steam Rotary Engine
A rotor revolves with no reciprocating pistons. Water and hydrogen are
injected and ignited. The heat turns the water vapor into high pressure
steam on each power stroke. The power is derived from the steam expansion
with the hydrogen as the internal heat source. This being the reverse of the
present steam engine, where a large body of water is heated externally. They
are said to be interested in investors.

http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/email_rotary.htm

Worth a look to see if the idea could be adapted for the turbine.

Regards


Barry

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#457 From: "Barry Turner" <btba09418@...>
Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 8:51 pm
Subject: Hydrogen Rotary Engine Update
odziz
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Hi
 
Posted wrong URL for Hydrogen Rotary Engine, please find the correct address below and follow the links.
 
 
Regards
 
 
Barry

#458 From: "Barry Turner" <btba09418@...>
Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 9:40 pm
Subject: Re: Hydrogen Engine
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Hi Mike
 
Yes this has been discussed on the H2O newsgroup. Their answers were ceramic coating of the ICE or stainless steel parts.
 
So using stainless steel should cure this problem for the Tesla Turbine. I know of several people going down this route.
 
Regards
 
 
Barry
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 1:29 PM
Subject: RE: [TeslaTurbine] Hydrogen Engine

More direct info:
http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/rotary.html

I agree that this is interesting for energy conversion.  However, I have a
friend who used to be a funny car driver.  He said that direct conversion of
water to steam in the combustion chamber creates some very high energy water
molecules that eat away pistons.  The steam damage is incredible so he says.
Someone else in this list might back me up on this.

The article mentions Brown's gas.  When I read the patent on the Brown's gas
it was intended for implosion.  The H2O decomposed to 2H2 + O2 and then
recombined to release energy, then take away the energy and the gas becomes
water which is a reduction of volume of some 1700 to 1.  Pretty impressive
vacuumes can be made that way.  Brown's gas was important for the correct
mixture of hydrogen and oxygen so there won't be left over gases resulting
in higher ambient final pressure.

I would suggest direct steam production in an external combustion chamber.
Especially one that is easily serviced to replace the liner.  Then direct
the pressure/velocity of the combustion products to the TT rotar.
Mike Passerotti
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Turner [mailto:btba09418@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 7:07 PM
To: TeslaTurbine@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [TeslaTurbine] Hydrogen Engine


Hi

Found this while searching for "Cold Fog"

Brinsbury Hydrogen Steam Rotary Engine
A rotor revolves with no reciprocating pistons. Water and hydrogen are
injected and ignited. The heat turns the water vapor into high pressure
steam on each power stroke. The power is derived from the steam expansion
with the hydrogen as the internal heat source. This being the reverse of the
present steam engine, where a large body of water is heated externally. They
are said to be interested in investors.

http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/email_rotary.htm

Worth a look to see if the idea could be adapted for the turbine.

Regards


Barry

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#459 From: "kent_thoresen" <kent_thoresen@...>
Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 11:05 am
Subject: Info needed
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I'm new here, so i'll start with a hello to everyone.

Let me introduce myself first im a Norwegian with to much time on my
hands

I was wondering if anyone knows where i can find useable data
regarding bladeless turbines and air.

I am planning an experiment to see if I can build a bladeless turbo.
So if anyone has any information or data applying this to air
compression etc. I would be extremely interested.

I will use ceramics since my new vacuum controlled atmosphere furnace
is finally installed (I had to wait 6 months for the bloody power
supply) I can now create ceramics with pyrolised polymer foam and
chemical vapour infiltration, cool.

And also does anyone know a good supplier of ceramic ball bearings?

Kent

#460 From: Mike Passerotti <mpasserotti@...>
Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 12:54 pm
Subject: RE: Info needed
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<envy>What a setup.  Maybe you could make some turbine parts to sell to the
list.</envy>

I have a set of drawings that I scrapped because ceramics cost too much.
You are welcome to them.  They are designed specifically for ceramic disks,
housing, washers and a metal shaft.  I have nothing for the nozzle.

Welcome to the list.  I'm working on my second runner pack of CD ROMs to
experiment with compressed air.  I've just about finished the runner.  I
have materials for the housing.  I made the compressed air storage tank, but
it leaks at the joint so I have to plug a hole.  My goals are to measure
P.E. in and K.E. out.  After making changes, hopefully improvements, I'll
repeat the measurements.  This cycle will continue until I have a maximum
efficiency at designed opperating speed.  Then I'll work on stored energy
and maximum efficiency to start the runner from 0.

I would go with all the prior suggestions and recommend building a standard
TT before making modifications.  There is much to be learned in the
experience of building the basic turbine.  I'm learning a lot.

Mike Passerotti


-----Original Message-----
From: kent_thoresen [mailto:kent_thoresen@...]
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 7:05 AM
To: TeslaTurbine@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [TeslaTurbine] Info needed


I'm new here, so i'll start with a hello to everyone.

Let me introduce myself first im a Norwegian with to much time on my
hands

I was wondering if anyone knows where i can find useable data
regarding bladeless turbines and air.

I am planning an experiment to see if I can build a bladeless turbo.
So if anyone has any information or data applying this to air
compression etc. I would be extremely interested.

I will use ceramics since my new vacuum controlled atmosphere furnace
is finally installed (I had to wait 6 months for the bloody power
supply) I can now create ceramics with pyrolised polymer foam and
chemical vapour infiltration, cool.

And also does anyone know a good supplier of ceramic ball bearings?

Kent












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#461 From: "kent_thoresen" <kent_thoresen@...>
Date: Sun Apr 21, 2002 12:15 pm
Subject: Re: Info needed
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Mr Passerotti

Thank you for the offer I would appreciate the drawings, I did some
tests with commercial ceramics but the test disk flew apart
(literally disintegrated) above 20k Rpm so to get more tensile
strength I decided to try with composite ceramics instead since they
have much higher tensile strength.
To buy custom composite shapes from a manufacturer costs an arm and a
leg and since I want to try out different options I decided to buy
the manufacturing kit myself it wasn't all that expensive actually I
made some parts myself and only bought the high tech end vacuum pumps
safety valves etc.

If I manage to make a safe prototype I will offer parts for sale to
the group.

I look forward to seeing your plans

Kent



--- In TeslaTurbine@y..., Mike Passerotti <mpasserotti@m...> wrote:
> <envy>What a setup.  Maybe you could make some turbine parts to
sell to the
> list.</envy>
>
> I have a set of drawings that I scrapped because ceramics cost too
much.
> You are welcome to them.  They are designed specifically for
ceramic disks,
> housing, washers and a metal shaft.  I have nothing for the nozzle.
>
> Welcome to the list.  I'm working on my second runner pack of CD
ROMs to
> experiment with compressed air.  I've just about finished the
runner.  I
> have materials for the housing.  I made the compressed air storage
tank, but
> it leaks at the joint so I have to plug a hole.  My goals are to
measure
> P.E. in and K.E. out.  After making changes, hopefully
improvements, I'll
> repeat the measurements.  This cycle will continue until I have a
maximum
> efficiency at designed opperating speed.  Then I'll work on stored
energy
> and maximum efficiency to start the runner from 0.
>
> I would go with all the prior suggestions and recommend building a
standard
> TT before making modifications.  There is much to be learned in the
> experience of building the basic turbine.  I'm learning a lot.
>
> Mike Passerotti
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kent_thoresen [mailto:kent_thoresen@y...]
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 7:05 AM
> To: TeslaTurbine@y...
> Subject: [TeslaTurbine] Info needed
>
>
> I'm new here, so i'll start with a hello to everyone.
>
> Let me introduce myself first im a Norwegian with to much time on
my
> hands
>
> I was wondering if anyone knows where i can find useable data
> regarding bladeless turbines and air.
>
> I am planning an experiment to see if I can build a bladeless
turbo.
> So if anyone has any information or data applying this to air
> compression etc. I would be extremely interested.
>
> I will use ceramics since my new vacuum controlled atmosphere
furnace
> is finally installed (I had to wait 6 months for the bloody power
> supply) I can now create ceramics with pyrolised polymer foam and
> chemical vapour infiltration, cool.
>
> And also does anyone know a good supplier of ceramic ball bearings?
>
> Kent
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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#462 From: "Barry Turner" <btba09418@...>
Date: Sun Apr 21, 2002 5:04 pm
Subject: Wanted: Turbine Calculation Formulae
odziz
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Hi
 
I know this question probably has been asked time and time again.
But just for the record can someone point me in the right direction.
 
I am trying to find a site or information for calculations to do with the Tesla Turbine and what relationship there is between:
 
1. Disc diameter
2. Port size
3. Number of discs
 
Also some indication of air consumption as I plan to build a vehicle powered by compressed air using a Tesla Turbine.
 
I have been looking at several types of air motor and plan to build a few to do some comparison tests.
 
I am not an armchair physicist so am not interested in someone telling why it wont work or that its not viable.
 
 
Best Regards
 
 
Barry

#463 From: Mike Passerotti <mpasserotti@...>
Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 9:32 pm
Subject: RE: Wanted: Turbine Calculation Formulae
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I sure wish I had them too.  I haven't seen any.

Mike Passerotti

  -----Original Message-----
From: Barry Turner [mailto:btba09418@...]
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 1:05 PM
To: TheTeslaTurbineList@yahoogroups.com; TeslaTurbine@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [TeslaTurbine] Wanted: Turbine Calculation Formulae



Hi

I know this question probably has been asked time and time again.
But just for the record can someone point me in the right direction.

I am trying to find a site or information for calculations to do with the
Tesla Turbine and what relationship there is between:

1. Disc diameter
2. Port size
3. Number of discs

Also some indication of air consumption as I plan to build a vehicle powered
by compressed air using a Tesla Turbine.

I have been looking at several types of air motor and plan to build a few to
do some comparison tests.

I am not an armchair physicist so am not interested in someone telling why
it wont work or that its not viable.


Best Regards


Barry

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#464 From: "DeLesley Hutchins" <hutchins@...>
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 1:11 am
Subject: Re: Wanted: Turbine Calculation Formulae
ds_hutchins
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> I sure wish I had them too.  I haven't seen any.
>
> Mike Passerotti

I have found some reasonably detailed information at:

http://tesla.stemwinder.org/.

The "Qualitative analysis" is the best technical discussion I've seen --
it's the only web resource I've found that relates to actual science rather
than wishful thinking.

There's also an undergraduate thesis which is useful as a step-by-step guide
to building a turbine -- too bad the result didn't work.  Also on the
non-working list is the tesla turbine spreadsheet -- which would have been
really useful.  :-(

     -DeLesley Hutchins

#465 From: Ian Main <ian3@...>
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 7:14 am
Subject: Re: Wanted: Turbine Calculation Formulae
slowinator
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I have more sitting here too, but I have to scan them in.
I'll post here when I get around to it :)  If someone bugs me
it'll go faster :)

     Ian

On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 08:11:47PM -0500, DeLesley Hutchins wrote:
>
>
> > I sure wish I had them too.  I haven't seen any.
> >
> > Mike Passerotti
>
> I have found some reasonably detailed information at:
>
> http://tesla.stemwinder.org/.
>
> The "Qualitative analysis" is the best technical discussion I've seen --
> it's the only web resource I've found that relates to actual science rather
> than wishful thinking.
>
> There's also an undergraduate thesis which is useful as a step-by-step guide
> to building a turbine -- too bad the result didn't work.  Also on the
> non-working list is the tesla turbine spreadsheet -- which would have been
> really useful.  :-(
>
>     -DeLesley Hutchins
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>

#466 From: "kapos45" <kapos45@...>
Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 1:40 pm
Subject: Qualitative analysyis posted in "Files"
kapos45
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Hi all,
I posted Qualitative analysis by Glen Barlis (2001)
in Files. Its 75k wordpad doc. Very good and to the
point.
If I understand Glen correctly and Im not an engineer
major. This turbine needs to be "tuned" or designed
around a specific input, pressure and fluid or gas type.

If not the efficiency can suffer so much that its
pointless to build this machine.

Tesla's turbine has some good points, mainly its simple
design lends durability, longevity, maintainability
and possibly lower cost.
I am working with heated refridgerants (170-190 deg F)
solar and gas. Rankine cycle. I wouldnt even begin to
design a turbine until I have the pressure and volume
of input finalized.

Brad C
kapos 45

#467 From: "fr020252" <wyzed@...>
Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 7:20 am
Subject: Re: Wanted: Turbine Calculation Formulae
wyzedd
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the thesis and a working xls spread sheet is available in the archives......
----- Original Message -----
From: "DeLesley Hutchins" <hutchins@...>
To: <TeslaTurbine@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [TeslaTurbine] Wanted: Turbine Calculation Formulae


>
>
> > I sure wish I had them too.  I haven't seen any.
> >
> > Mike Passerotti
>
> I have found some reasonably detailed information at:
>
> http://tesla.stemwinder.org/.
>
> The "Qualitative analysis" is the best technical discussion I've seen --
> it's the only web resource I've found that relates to actual science
rather
> than wishful thinking.
>
> There's also an undergraduate thesis which is useful as a step-by-step
guide
> to building a turbine -- too bad the result didn't work.  Also on the
> non-working list is the tesla turbine spreadsheet -- which would have been
> really useful.  :-(
>
>     -DeLesley Hutchins
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>

#468 From: "Barry Turner" <btba09418@...>
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 2:36 pm
Subject: Cool Steam
odziz
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Hi Lawrence
 
Any more information, diagrams, photos etc on the cool steam project that your working on ?
 
Keep us updated.
 
Regards
 
 
Barry

#469 From: "Barry Turner" <btba09418@...>
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 5:30 pm
Subject: Cool Steam
odziz
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Hi
 
It seems that some of our colleagues don't bother trawling the net before stating something is pie in the sky, its all a bit of fun and keep your money in your pocket.
 
The thread on "Cool Steam" certainly seems to be one of these.
After doing a search on the net courtesy of Google (I don't use anything else) I think I have found the answer, ultrasonically generated steam.
 
 
THE MIST MAKER FOGGER

The Mist Maker Fogger ultrasonic fountain pump vibrates water to create a cool-steam fog vapour that ethereally rises out of your fountain, pond, pool or virtually any water container or vessel. These cloudlike formations accentuate any environment while adding beneficial negative ions to the air. This miniature negative ion generator/humidifier uses no chemicals, no dry ice and is UL listed. The Mist Maker Fogger's mist is ideal for plants, adding healthy moisture to any dry environment. The submersible, waterproof red or green lighting adapter further enhances this miniature fog machine, casting a magical glow upon the ever-changing hypnotic cloud formations.

The Avalon Mist Generator is an Ultra High Output Fogger and Mist Maker. Its Professional Grade Frequency Oscillator converts water into a cool cloud with a vapour fog like mist.

The Avalon Mist Maker uses no chemicals, no dry ice and is UL listed. With its submersible ultrasonic humidifier misting head, there are no pumps to clog. Bacteria resistant plastics inhibit the growth of bacteria and moulds.

Simply submerse the misting head in water and watch the fog rise forming a cloud of vapour mist. It couldn't be easier!

Regards

 

Barry


#470 From: "Barry Turner" <btba09418@...>
Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 5:35 pm
Subject: Cool Steam Update
odziz
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Hi
 
It seems that some of our colleagues don't bother trawling the net before stating something is pie in the sky, its all a bit of fun and keep your money in your pocket.
 
The thread on "Cool Steam" certainly seems to be one of these.
After doing a search on the net courtesy of Google (I don't use anything else) I think I have found the answer, ultrasonically generated steam.
 
 
THE MIST MAKER FOGGER

The Mist Maker Fogger ultrasonic fountain pump vibrates water to create a cool-steam fog vapour that ethereally rises out of your fountain, pond, pool or virtually any water container or vessel. These cloudlike formations accentuate any environment while adding beneficial negative ions to the air. This miniature negative ion generator/humidifier uses no chemicals, no dry ice and is UL listed. The Mist Maker Fogger's mist is ideal for plants, adding healthy moisture to any dry environment. The submersible, waterproof red or green lighting adapter further enhances this miniature fog machine, casting a magical glow upon the ever-changing hypnotic cloud formations.

http://www.indoorfountain.com/smoker.html

AVALON MIST & FOG MAKER

The Avalon Mist Generator is an Ultra High Output Fogger and Mist Maker. Its Professional Grade Frequency Oscillator converts water into a cool cloud with a vapour fog like mist.

The Avalon Mist Maker uses no chemicals, no dry ice and is UL listed. With its submersible ultrasonic humidifier misting head, there are no pumps to clog. Bacteria resistant plastics inhibit the growth of bacteria and moulds.

Simply submerse the misting head in water and watch the fog rise forming a cloud of vapour mist. It couldn't be easier!

http://www.fernsfountains.com/

Regards

 

Barry


#471 From: "Barry Turner" <btba09418@...>
Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 10:38 am
Subject: Fw: [energy2000] Steam Cars.
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From: "Ed Hurley" <mred@...>
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Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 10:44 AM
Subject: [energy2000] Steam Cars.


> G'day All !
>                Had a very interesting conversation today with a bloke that
was involved in building the Gavang Steam Car here in Australia......He
still has a set of drawings for the vehicle stashed away but won't release
them as he was forbidden to do so when Shell Oil bought the car and
everything to do with it.....I asked him about the boiler and the
engine...It turns out that the boiler was a three ring hot plate flash
boiler.  Which would have enough steam pressure built up from cold to power
the car in thirty seconds...The engine he described as a rotary, but further
questioning seems it may have been an adaption of the Tesla Turbine, as he
said it had a number of rotors that were spaced 1/4'' apart. Further that
that he couldn't tell me as his work in the main was on the body and
suspension of the vehicle.   Evidently Shell bought all the rights and the
patent and typically for them shelved them.
> He did say that on a test run the Gavang reached 140mph with hardly a
sound other than the wind noise, and handled like a dream, and was multi
fuelled into the bargain.....He has heared that someone in Sydney has a
Volkswagen which is fitted with a similar boiler and engine. I hope to see
him again in the next day or so and will try and get some details of
performance ref fuel economy off him.
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#472 From: "Barry Turner" <btba09418@...>
Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 5:27 pm
Subject: Re: Steam Cars.
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Hi Ed
 
Do you have the patent number for the Gavang Steam Car ?
 
Any information on the ring hot plate flash boiler ?
 
Even if Shell bought all the rights the patent will still be on record.
 
Keep us posted about your next meeting.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Hurley" <
mred@...>
To: <
energy2000@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 10:44 AM
Subject: [energy2000] Steam Cars.


> G'day All !
>                Had a very interesting conversation today with a bloke that
was involved in building the Gavang Steam Car here in Australia......He
still has a set of drawings for the vehicle stashed away but won't release
them as he was forbidden to do so when Shell Oil bought the car and
everything to do with it.....I asked him about the boiler and the
engine...It turns out that the boiler was a three ring hot plate flash
boiler.  Which would have enough steam pressure built up from cold to power
the car in thirty seconds...The engine he described as a rotary, but further
questioning seems it may have been an adaption of the Tesla Turbine, as he
said it had a number of rotors that were spaced 1/4'' apart. Further that
that he couldn't tell me as his work in the main was on the body and
suspension of the vehicle.   Evidently Shell bought all the rights and the
patent and typically for them shelved them.
> He did say that on a test run the Gavang reached 140mph with hardly a
sound other than the wind noise, and handled like a dream, and was multi
fuelled into the bargain.....He has heared that someone in Sydney has a
Volkswagen which is fitted with a similar boiler and engine. I hope to see
him again in the next day or so and will try and get some details of
performance ref fuel economy off him.
>                                             ATB    Mr Ed.
Best Regards
 
Barry

#473 From: "pohler.rm" <pohler@...>
Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 9:24 pm
Subject: Re: Steam Cars.
pohler.rm
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--- In TeslaTurbine@y..., "Barry Turner" <btba09418@b...> wrote:
> Hi Ed
>
> Do you have the patent number for the Gavang Steam Car ?
>
> Any information on the ring hot plate flash boiler ?
>
> Even if Shell bought all the rights the patent will still be on
record.
>
> Keep us posted about your next meeting.
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: "Ed Hurley" <mred@s...>
>   To: <energy2000@y...>
>   Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 10:44 AM
>   Subject: [energy2000] Steam Cars.
>
>
>   > G'day All !
>   >                Had a very interesting conversation today with a
bloke that
>   was involved in building the Gavang Steam Car here in
Australia......He
>   still has a set of drawings for the vehicle stashed away but
won't release
>   them as he was forbidden to do so when Shell Oil bought the car
and
>   everything to do with it.....I asked him about the boiler and the
>   engine...It turns out that the boiler was a three ring hot plate
flash
>   boiler.  Which would have enough steam pressure built up from
cold to power
>   the car in thirty seconds...The engine he described as a rotary,
but further
>   questioning seems it may have been an adaption of the Tesla
Turbine, as he
>   said it had a number of rotors that were spaced 1/4'' apart.
Further that
>   that he couldn't tell me as his work in the main was on the body
and
>   suspension of the vehicle.   Evidently Shell bought all the
rights and the
>   patent and typically for them shelved them.
>   > He did say that on a test run the Gavang reached 140mph with
hardly a
>   sound other than the wind noise, and handled like a dream, and
was multi
>   fuelled into the bargain.....He has heared that someone in Sydney
has a
>   Volkswagen which is fitted with a similar boiler and engine. I
hope to see
>   him again in the next day or so and will try and get some details
of
>   performance ref fuel economy off him.
>   >                                             ATB    Mr Ed.
>
>   Best Regards
>
>   Barry

#474 From: "Barry Turner" <btba09418@...>
Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 9:57 pm
Subject: Air Car Update
odziz
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Hi
 
I suggest you all look at this, because this could be the first proper commercial venture for installing a Tesla Turbine using compressed air.
 
It uses 4 cylinders at the moment but we all know what they should be using, look at the graph and tell me a Tesla Turbine couldn't do a better job!
 
 
 
 
Best Regards
 
Barry

#475 From: "richcoluk" <richcol@...>
Date: Sat May 4, 2002 9:35 pm
Subject: Nozzles
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Hi All,
HELP!!!
I,ve got as far as the nozzle design for my steam TT and have ground
to a halt due to lack of available info.
Questions –
1) Does the TT normally have a slot nozzle covering the width of
the runner bank or individual nozzles. Using 300psig with low
superheat gives a runner gap of about 0.01" so individual nozzles
would be mighty small.
2) Has anyone got formulas for calculating the parameters of
convergent (or convergent/divergent) nozzles to give a required
output velocity from a known feed pressure.

Any answers or pointers gratefully accepted

Richard Coleby

#476 From: "star_wind_ca" <earthchanges@...>
Date: Sun May 5, 2002 1:04 pm
Subject: Re: Nozzles
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Richard,

    To the best of my knowledge only two nozzles are typically used in
a Tesla turbine, one for forward another for reverse. The width of
the nozzle is usually a little narrower than the whole pack. A single
nozzle for the whole pack is acceptable as the steam will flow pass
the disks and the close spacing of the disks soon makes it laminar
again. You may wish to recheck the disk pack spacing with Tesla's
widths which were larger than the 0.01 you are using. The narrow
spacing will not always give improved performance, but will greatly
decrease available power per disk. Pay attention to the spacing
around the end of the disks as leakage there is steam lost with no
work done.

   Hope this helps

Dave


--- In TeslaTurbine@y..., "richcoluk" <richcol@t...> wrote:
> Hi All,
> HELP!!!
> I,ve got as far as the nozzle design for my steam TT and have
ground
> to a halt due to lack of available info.
> Questions –
> 1) Does the TT normally have a slot nozzle covering the width of
> the runner bank or individual nozzles. Using 300psig with low
> superheat gives a runner gap of about 0.01" so individual nozzles
> would be mighty small.
> 2) Has anyone got formulas for calculating the parameters of
> convergent (or convergent/divergent) nozzles to give a required
> output velocity from a known feed pressure.
>
> Any answers or pointers gratefully accepted
>
> Richard Coleby

#477 From: Mike Passerotti <mpasserotti@...>
Date: Mon May 6, 2002 1:07 pm
Subject: RE: Nozzles
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Patent 5,782,414 gives a best fit curve calculation for supersonic nozzles.
The nozzle is broken into segments and each segment calculated based on
parameters such as nozzle diameter, pressure differential, etc.

I have low resolution gif images for the patents I can email you if you
want.

I plan on using multiple nozzles to begin with.  I see the disk edge as a
major producer of turbulance, causer of back pressure at the nozzle (no more
sonic flow), and an overall resistance to the desired power coupling.  In
the future I wanted to work with disk edge design to control flow insertion
between the disks without using multiple nozzles.

Using small nozzles means low flow volume with high velocity.  To get both
you have to use more nozzles.  Thats my intention.

My plan to make multiple nozzles:  small brass tubing from the hobby store.
I'll use a dull tubing cutter and roll the convergent section.  Then cut the
divergent section to the proper length.  I'll solder multiple tubes inside a
flatened copper tube (flattened oval).

I have this link to a micro supersonic nozzle test:
http://www.fmrl.fsu.edu/research/koustubh/koustubh/supersonic.htm

This link is a 1mm conv/div nozzle with supersonic flow:
http://www.fmrl.fsu.edu/research/koustubh/koustubh/fig3.jpg

I hope to have a real test soon.

Mike Passerotti


-----Original Message-----
From: richcoluk [mailto:richcol@...]
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 5:36 PM
To: TeslaTurbine@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [TeslaTurbine] Nozzles


Hi All,
HELP!!!
I,ve got as far as the nozzle design for my steam TT and have ground
to a halt due to lack of available info.
Questions -
1) Does the TT normally have a slot nozzle covering the width of
the runner bank or individual nozzles. Using 300psig with low
superheat gives a runner gap of about 0.01" so individual nozzles
would be mighty small.
2) Has anyone got formulas for calculating the parameters of
convergent (or convergent/divergent) nozzles to give a required
output velocity from a known feed pressure.

Any answers or pointers gratefully accepted

Richard Coleby






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