Hi august friends of TOE,

Hope this finds all well for the truth seekers confined to the earth but with our sights set to the heavens. Yet I realize if we become to heavenly minded we may become of no earthly use.

I found myself chastised on other sites for the mere mention of God or bringing the mere though of a Creator into the discussion. So you may understand my questions asked to clarify the acceptance of this comprehension.

Dear David!

Yes, I got into trouble just answering you. So did surrealist, answering me answering you.

But I think we can discuss the Logos here.

Also my site is called SophiaGnosis and I'll send you an invitation to join there also.

You see, contrary to many others, I feel the world of the science should be blended with that of the so called spirit.

But in QR  this 'spirit' is well defined as Electromagnetomonoplic radiation or EMMR (adding the monopolic as scalar to EMR).

So generally I am very much on your wavelength; the Logos incarnated in everyone as a seed or 'Christ-Consciousness'  must become activated.

Once the world knows, that 'God' is in every physical equation, then the world's religion cannot but unite in their spiritual common denominators.

Then 'peace' between nations and religions might have a fighting chance yet.

So a spiritualised science is for me the redemption for this civilisation.

Perhaps you can understand my zest for reformation a little bit better now.

I have no time for dogmatic religion; but consider my own thoughts and feelings in the tradition of the esoteric strands of all of the religions.

So I am a Sufi, a Gnostic, a Persian Dervish and also a Hermeticist; of course these are but labels for the LOGOS as INSIGHT or WISDOM.

I will offer some thoughts. Since I am new to to the group please bear/bare with me as I have not viewed all previous posts.

I’m a believer in the Logos. As many of you are aware it comes from a root word in the Greek. As a former professor and continuing student of Koine Greek not to be confused with classical, ancient or modern Greek.

Koine is the common language used in the NT of the Bible of the Christian faith. I’m somewhat of a zen eclectic messianic christian if there is such a thing. Since I think I am therefore I must be.

Well said, David--Cogito Ergo Sum.

Logos comes from the root of a word meaning "leg". Logos means "to gather up…to count…to speak…". It has some synonyms I will present in a later posting. As has been pointed out in other posts everything is undergoing transformation…everything flows. Still existence isn’t in a chaotic state because of a pattern from which everything is formed. My father who is a patterns engineer would even agree with me on that one.

Beautiful, I do ask you to peruse the Algorithmic Gravity File, it describes the birth of the Logos in the fundamentakl constants of nature.

Logos or the Word is a regulator and controlling principle of this existence that cannot be ignored. It is rational and unchangeable law of the exchange of information resulting in change. Simply put the only thing constant(in creation) is change. This Logos connects our humanity to itself, with the cosmos, and with Deity in all its manifestations. Herein lies harmonics. This harmonic power created, controls and sustains the universe and its multiverses including a previous post mentioning idea of OMNIVERSE. Of course this conflicts with the dualistic principle of Greek philosophy as pointed out by Tony which holds that the immaterial divine cannot come into direct contact with the divine.

You are putting words in my mouth here. (Or did I misread you here?)

I am in full concordance with the Oneness displaying the dichotomy as its own context.

If 'God' manifests its 'energy' in the subtimespace manifesting as superbranes, manifesting as boson-fermion structures, manifesting as....the omniverse; then GOD IS THE OMNIVERSE.

 "The veil’ if you will separates and forms a kind of fabric to prevent our entrance into the divine. The fabric of space. The resulting string and superstring theories are harmonically attuned to prevent this intrusion into the divine.

Now you are getting into nowhereland.

Yes there is a veil, Jesus speaks of it and so does the 'abyss'of Abraham's bosom in Luke.

This VEIL=EVIL=LIVE is the divide between the DEAD ALIVE and the ASLIVE DEAD states of being.

Revelation terms it the TWO DEATHS. It is all mysterious to the theologians, but the LOGOS gives the insight of the gnosis to the ones who ask with purity of heart, using gnostic semantics.

 It is curtains for those who attempt to do so except those okayed by the divine. Hence Enoch and Elijah. And of course the Christ after the resurrection.

Yes, but do you know that YOU are ENOCH and ELIJAH and the Resurrection?

Jesus' own words tell the greatest of the gnostic stories; just decipher the Gospel of Thomas.

It is the LOGOS deep within you, which gives you the 'ok' not some external agency.

 Stoics, for you philosophizers, saw thought as the light of reason. God had a thought and spoke the Word. He did not speak the Word or Logos into existence but the Word once spake(archaeic) sprang forth from the mind, heart, spirit and soul of the Creator. In this utterance God commanded the light to shine out of the darkness. To the Hebrews, of which I am blessed to had a godly Jewish grandmother, and also a godly Christian grandmother;

John.1.1: In the beginning was the Word (Logos=Definition) and the Word was with God and the Word was (became) God.

Saw the word or Word as more and considered the Word irrevocable at times. It became an independent entity and went beyond understood speech. The Word became a "being" in and of itself. A separate entity all its own. Herein the word could be perceived as a real personified being. Hence Logos as Christ. The I AM. The Hebrews evolved beyond the Greek perception and speculation. The "word" in preexistence and eternal in "heaven with the divine" but not necessarily within finite creation.

Exodus.3.14:  Moses' Burning Bush--"I am that I am"; more ancient translation would read: I shall be what I shall be;

again pointing very directly to DEFINITION PROCESS.

The uttered or spoken word i.e., Logos generated the first sound in the nothingness…ex nihlo. In this way God commanded the light to come forth or spring forth from the darkness. In ex nihlo as other postings have pointed out does not equate to our perception of a vacuum nor does preexistence. Nothingness doesn’t equal vacuum. Nothingness is so much less yet so much more when it comes to Creation. What would have been the medium the sound or resonance of the spoken word traveled through in nothingness. Well nothingness for one, God for another, and the Word itself. This spoken thought was uttered into the void of nothingness not the void of Genesis 1:1-2. Herein lies the theological discussions of the gap theory between verses 1 and 2. One possibly …two no. The intensity of the energy rate per area unit would preclude a static universe. There should have been more constructive interference in the utterance to cause the Guth inflation he proposes and therefore resulting in a momentary hyper/super inflation resulting in destructive resonance interference bringing into being the velocity of light. Would refraction have been a factor at the moment of creation, i.e., big bang…(whatever your designation) if that wave had no medium to traverse except itself because of ex nihlo and the Word itself to contend with? The speed of thought or the amount of images, words, symbols, m-grams is about 1800 per second isn’t it? It may be 1800 per minute. I cannot remember due to malfunctioning synaptic gap from years of existence. If this is the case and who can really know the speed of thought of the Utterer except the Grand Utterer of Everything unless in the infinite grace an infinite mercy is bestowed?

You are displaying good gnosis David; God is close to your mind awaiting your invitation towards even greater understanding.

You are so correct in linking the Big Bang to Genesis and the entire scientific edifice.

Should you relegate your natural and inbred scepticism to what you read here, then YOUR God will come alive in you as you.

Can we who believe in Deity agree God is infinite? As far as a drain on the universe being compared to the sun’s energy escaping into the nether regions of space. I am not so sure about that analogy. We simply can never compare non-space non-time to a vacuum. Correct me if I am wrong…I am open to interpretation and wise words. In and out of the vacuum we have particles/harmonic/waves popping into and out of existence resulting in a negative vacuum energy of sorts.

There are some misconceptions about the vacuum; Heisenbergian Uncertainty as stochastic distribution is true, but emergent from the cosmic wavefunctions which are destined to crystallize phaseshifted multiverses from the protouniverse (of Genesis) to form the omniverse.

But this 'popping in and out' is not probabilistic at all; but a consequence of the energy conservation laws specifying the Unified Field.

Mathematics laced with topology to follow soon in another posting plus the promised syncronization of the word Logos with its synonyms. Yes to some degree mathematics is secondary but to convince the non-theoreticals and to really convince yourself you must use it from time to time. Fractals will help to explain the breaking/joining of the matrix. The impenetratable veil. In that way we can translate between the language of abstract vector spaces and the matrices’ language. As Tony is aware and other mathematicians eigenvalues allow us to comprehend eigenvalues of a matrix if under a similarity transformation. Within ex nihlo the curvature and even the hyperbolic would not exists. Only in the Logos would we have this luxury.

Very true, but then your LOGOS itself must be a PROCESS OF DEFINITION.

This is what we all are discussing here.

All our individual 'Gods' are converging to the Logos God of the Resurrection; the Metamorphosis of the Human Caterpillar into the StarHuman Butterfly of the Cosmogenesis - the Energy is called LOVE and it is the glue which holds the worlds of the logos together.

As the universe " may" be… in essence…. Flatlike as a result of Creation. It may be spherical omniversely speaking. It may fluctuate depending upon its observation. The rings from the utterance would have instantaneously propagated because of the adding and multiplying nature . The change in the coordinate system would have been self-sustaining irreducible representation of the Logos. The resultant symmetries are harmonic fractals. Yes I realize rings are geometrical and any subset does not necessarily have to have commutative properties but this does not eliminate communicative properties. Here goes the duality enigma again but the riddle is no one has been able to reconcile that duality can be applied to QCD as I believe someone pointed out in a post.

I am not sure here what you mean, but QCD is unified in the introduction of a necessary gauge field agent, uniting radiation parameters with mass-eigenstates.

This is called the RestMassPhoton or RMP; it is massless but relates to a physical model for consciousness and also to so termed 'missing mass' or dark matter. It is sometimes also identified as Axion.

(You may like this, the dark matter haloes are the 'auric fields' anbout gravitational mass concentrations energised by consciousness as effect of charge mappings and the 'spirit-electricity'.)

I concur. Quantum gravity on the other hand seems to lend itself to the concept of duality. Hence the relativity of it all. If information travels in the waves of the field how did it travel at the moment of creation if nothing existed but itself. (Logos) Its medium was itself. A question could be reiterated does nothingness play any role in the effect in the at the moment of creation on the resultant universe?

Now this is good science. The medium of itself became the space expanding within itself, dimensionally divided by (n+1).

This is the Steady State of zeus as the space-dimension[n +1] encompassing the asymptotically expanding n-space.

The nothingness is the subtimespace of the superbrane definitions, allowing the quantum tunnelling of the two spaces to eventuate in MANIFESTING THE LOGOS as physical REALITY out from abstract definition.

I feel the bottom line is to bring together our understanding of harmonics in nothingness and of the original utterance upon itself. Then came the light.

I agree, the initial utterance was: I AM THAT! (following the abstract models converging).

dr. david

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