Thanks! I am
still tired, but I follow you. The extra explanation put the pieces together
for me.
-ed-
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Edward Foskey
Hester
Appraisals & Consulting
Dublin, GA
From:Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George W. Dodd, SRA Sent: November 21, 2008 10:12 AM To:Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [WinTOTAL Group] Re:
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Ed,
An Appraiser creates a appraisal report
document. When “conversion” programs like AIReady,
Lighthouse, etc., are used that document is converted into data only but does
not contain all the information in the appraisal document. That data file
is then processed in the back office, supposedly; but when that data file is
used to “re-populate” or re-create the appraisal document the end
result is not the document created by the Appraiser.
My report is not data. My report
contains data but more importantly it outlines the valuation process I used to
develop an opinion of value. A data dump does not constitute an appraisal
document, it’s just a dump.
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George,
I admit two things:
I
am very tired
I
have never used the AI Ready forms or format
I
am having trouble following what you are saying… can you please
expand?
Thanks!
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Edward Foskey
Hester Appraisals & Consulting
Dublin, GA
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On Behalf Of George W. Dodd, SRA Sent: November 20, 2008 05:16 PM To:Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [WinTOTAL Group] Re:
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I’m sorry to tell you, but you did not send an appraisal
report. What you sent was a data file., but what you created was an
appraisal document that is part of a financial and legal mortgage
package.
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Ron maybe you can help me.
The discussion on keeping an original true copy of what you send to
comply with USPAP came up in some of the threads which got me to thinking.
I’ve uploaded reports through AppraisalPort and it asks if I want to keep
a copy of the ENV file. I always say yes. Today I looked at the folder where
the files are kept and there are ENV files, XML files, and jpeg files. I
tried opening an ENV file and can’t, the XML file looks like an html file
(lots of code, no rhyme or reason), and the jpeg files are my photos and
signature. I assume the ENV file pulls this all together, but with what do I
open it? If I’m suppose to have a true copy of what I sent how does this
collection of files represent this, other than technically AppraisalPort says
this is what I sent? From what I’m looking at it doesn’t look like
an appraisal report. Any help in clarifying this would be appreciated.
Holger Sternberg, SRA
Fishkill, NY
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Greetings from Naples, FL.
I am a long time
member of the Appraisal Institute. Even so, I feel that individual
members have been sold out for the revenue. I understand that the
Institute owns a portion of AppraisalPort. As an owner, I would think
they benefit from the fees paid as well as profits made by whomever actually
operates that system (I would FNC or some other intermediary). I
continue to advocate to Institute members and prospective members and any
interested appraiser to write AI and let them know how we feel. If FNC
et al was so legit, why have they been sending out representatives to the
appraisal boards around the country trying to explain their harmless
process. I admit, we appraisers have a tendency to put our heads in the
sand (or sometimes other places) but gosh, we should get this one quite
easily.
That having been
said, I recall a comment from Dave Biggers that said something like this.
"We only have AppraisalPort capability in Wintotal because the
appraisers want it. It does not benefit the appraiser!" I
agree. Appraisers wonder why we oftentimes get things dumped on
us! Poor us!!! We ask for it. We bow down to lender
pressure, bow down to unreasonable time demands, bow down to oftentimes
moronic requests, AND, we permit ourselves to be "prostituted" to
the lowest bidder.
So, what are we
going to do about it? Most, I fear, will continue to rollover and wet
ourselves. Professionals don't do that. Or? do we????
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