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RE: [WinTOTAL Group] Re: AI Ready Forms

George,

 

Thanks! I am still tired, but I follow you. The extra explanation put the pieces together for me.

 

-ed-

 

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Edward Foskey

Hester Appraisals & Consulting

Dublin, GA


From: Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George W. Dodd, SRA
Sent: November 21, 2008 10:12 AM
To: Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [WinTOTAL Group] Re: AI Ready Forms

 

Ed,

 

An Appraiser creates a appraisal report document.  When “conversion” programs like AIReady, Lighthouse, etc., are used that document is converted into data only but does not contain all the information in the appraisal document.  That data file is then processed in the back office, supposedly; but when that data file is used to “re-populate” or re-create the appraisal document the end result is not the document created by the Appraiser.

 

My report is not data.  My report contains data but more importantly it outlines the valuation process I used to develop an opinion of value.  A data dump does not constitute an appraisal document, it’s just a dump.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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From: Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Edward Foskey
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 8:46 AM
To: Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [WinTOTAL Group] Re: AI Ready Forms

 

George,

 

I admit two things:

 

  1. I am very tired
  2. I have never used the AI Ready forms or format
  3. I am having trouble following what you are saying… can you please expand?

 

Thanks!

-ed-

 

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Edward Foskey

Hester Appraisals & Consulting

Dublin, GA


From: Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George W. Dodd, SRA
Sent: November 20, 2008 05:16 PM
To: Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [WinTOTAL Group] Re: AI Ready Forms

 

I’m sorry to tell you, but you did not send an appraisal report.  What you sent was a data file., but what you created was an appraisal document that is part of a financial and legal mortgage package. 

 

 

 

 

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From: Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Holger Sternberg
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:51 PM
To: Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [WinTOTAL Group] Re: AI Ready Forms

 

Ron maybe you can help me.

 

The discussion on keeping an original true copy of what you send to comply with USPAP came up in some of the threads which got me to thinking. I’ve uploaded reports through AppraisalPort and it asks if I want to keep a copy of the ENV file. I always say yes. Today I looked at the folder where the files are kept and there are ENV files,  XML files, and jpeg files. I tried opening an ENV file and can’t, the XML file looks like an html file (lots of code, no rhyme or reason), and the jpeg files are my photos and signature. I assume the ENV file pulls this all together, but with what do I open it? If I’m suppose to have a true copy of what I sent how does this collection of files represent this, other than technically AppraisalPort says this is what I sent? From what I’m looking at it doesn’t look like an appraisal report. Any help in clarifying this would be appreciated.

 

Holger Sternberg, SRA

Fishkill, NY

 

 

 


From: Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ron Keeth
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 1:41 PM
To: Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WinTOTAL Group] Re: AI Ready Forms

 

Greetings from Naples, FL.

 

I am a long time member of the Appraisal Institute.  Even so, I feel that individual members have been sold out for the revenue.  I understand that the Institute owns a portion of AppraisalPort.  As an owner, I would think they benefit from the fees paid as well as profits made by whomever actually operates that system (I would FNC or some other intermediary).  I continue to advocate to Institute members and prospective members and any interested appraiser to write AI and let them know how we feel. If FNC et al was so legit, why have they been sending out representatives to the appraisal boards around the country trying to explain their harmless process.  I admit, we appraisers have a tendency to put our heads in the sand (or sometimes other places) but gosh, we should get this one quite easily.

 

That having been said,  I recall a comment from Dave Biggers that said something like this.  "We only have AppraisalPort capability in Wintotal because the appraisers want it. It does not benefit the appraiser!"  I agree.  Appraisers wonder why we oftentimes get things dumped on us!  Poor us!!!  We ask for it.  We bow down to lender pressure, bow down to unreasonable time demands, bow down to oftentimes moronic requests, AND, we permit ourselves to be "prostituted" to the lowest bidder.

 

So, what are we going to do about it?  Most, I fear, will continue to rollover and wet ourselves.  Professionals don't do that.  Or? do we????

 

Ron Keeth, SRA, RAA

Naples, FL.

 

 

 



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