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#124723 From: "Don Pearsall" <donpearsall@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:41 am
Subject: RE: [WinTOTAL Group] Health Insurance
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Sarah, you make great sense. I am 57, in excellent physical shape, don’t smoke, and have spent ZERO $ on doctor bills in the last 3 years. Even with all of that, the minimum monthly premium for me for just catastrophic coverage (no doctor visits, no prescriptions) was going to be over $800. That is absurd. I can’t and won’t pay it. The health insurance companies are incredibly profitable and their entire business plan is to collect premiums and prevent actual pay outs.

 

I don’t know what the final health insurance plan will be either, but almost anything is better than the current situation.

Don

 

Don Pearsall
Sound Appraisal
Seattle, WA USA
206-714-2004
FAX 425-642-8102
donpearsall@...

http://www.soundappraisal.com

 

From: Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Vetault
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 6:22 PM
To: Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [WinTOTAL Group] Health Insurance

 

 

Gary,

 

If you're healthy, over 50, and don't have dependents to worry about, you might consider the revolutionary act of putting your money into savings instead of insurance premiums.

 

Here's my perspective: 

 

My health insurance was a group policy for small businesses, which includes self-employed individuals.  Last summer they announced my premium was going to go up by approximately 30% (combination of rate increase and age bracket change), to approximately $500/month.  The insurance would cover one annual doctor visit, part of a routine mammogram, some prescriptions, and not much else until I shelled out a ton of money.  There was a $2000 deductible.  The insurance would no longer cover procedures I need on a regular but infrequent basis, so those expenses wouldn't count toward the deductible.  I crunched the numbers and realized I would be paying approximately $9,000/year for me alone before they'd cover much of anything.  The problem was if I really got sick I wouldn't be able to keep working so I wouldn't be able to afford to continue the insurance, and I'd be uninsured almost immediately.  Hmmm.  I have several years to go until Medicare, assuming it's still available when I get there. 

 

I discussed things with my doctor, who pointed out that I am 1. Healthy (I see him maybe once or twice a YEAR) and 2. OLD by insurance company standards.  When the insurance industry considers you OLD the premiums are exhorbitant.  Even if you don't feel old.  

 

I started asking questions.  Without insurance, my routine annual physical would cost  $125 plus the lab work.  A routine mammogram would cost  $125 plus the radiologist's fee (another $125-250).  And they said they'd discount it if I paid cash.  So far, we're up to... less than one month's insurance premium.   I found discount programs for prescriptions.  Deep discounts.  With prices very close to my old insurance copays.  Hmmm....

 

After crunching the numbers again I figured I can run up $15,000 in unexpected medical bills every three years and still be ahead.   I haven't run up $15,000 in unexpected medical bills in the last 50+ years, even with two surgeries and a nasty car accident.  I realize I'm not immune to expensive illnesses and injuries, but I'm not high-risk either.

 

I finally told the insurance company to take a hike.  It was one of the most freeing decisions I've ever made.  I'm putting the money I would have spent on premiums into a savings account.  In just a few months the balance seems HUGE.  If something does happen in a couple of years, I should have enough money to pay cash for a big chunk of the medical bills and maybe even get a discount.  And if nothing happens I have a nest egg to use for retirement.  What a concept!

 

I'm not sure what the final health insurance "reforms" are going to look like, but I figure I'll still be ahead even if I have to shell out a $1,000 penalty every year for being uninsured.  Just not as far ahead as I would be otherwise. 

 

I'm all for health insurance for major medical stuff, as long as the premiums are reasonable.  But when the premium for health insurance is more than I spend per month on FOOD, when it's more than I spend per month on TRANSPORTATION, when it's more than the payment and interest was on my MORTGAGE, things have gotten out of control.  Priorities need rearranging.  It's time to take control back and opt out of that fear-based system.

 

Just my $0.02.  Your mileage may vary.

 

 

 

Sarah Vetault
Tucson, AZ
www.ComplineGroup.com

 

When making your choices in life, do not forget to live.  -Samuel Johnson

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 12:34 PM

Subject: [WinTOTAL Group] Health Insurance

 

 

Hi all – hope you have a pleasant Thanksgiving.

My health insurance premium increased 14% - to nearly $500 per month (!)

I am hoping to find out if there is a more affordable option.

I am insured through Keizer as a 53 year old self employed individual – who joined the local Board of Realtors to get in “The Group”. (My wife is disabled so she has her own plan through the state). I have good coverage (I think) and a $30 or $35 co-pay.

The Appraisal Institute insurer turned me down decades ago – due to a bogus pre-existing condition that has zero impact on my life.   Am I alone in this situation? Are there more affordable options out there?

Thanks for your input.

Gary Hovanian, SRA

Long Beach, Calif.



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#124724 From: "Charles Baker" <mail@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 3:00 am
Subject: RE: [WinTOTAL Group] Health Insurance
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Don & Sarah – congratulations.  You’re exercising your capitalistic right to choose how and when to spend your money.  If enough did just that, the insurance companies would go out of business, or be forced to compete with the “non-insurance” option.  Just eat right, drive a safe car and look both ways before crossing the street!

 

-Charles

From: Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Pearsall
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 6:42 PM
To: Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [WinTOTAL Group] Health Insurance

 

 

Sarah, you make great sense. I am 57, in excellent physical shape, don’t smoke, and have spent ZERO $ on doctor bills in the last 3 years. Even with all of that, the minimum monthly premium for me for just catastrophic coverage (no doctor visits, no prescriptions) was going to be over $800. That is absurd. I can’t and won’t pay it. The health insurance companies are incredibly profitable and their entire business plan is to collect premiums and prevent actual pay outs.

 

I don’t know what the final health insurance plan will be either, but almost anything is better than the current situation.

Don

 

Don Pearsall
Sound Appraisal
Seattle, WA USA
206-714-2004
FAX 425-642-8102
donpearsall@...

http://www.soundappraisal.com

 

From: Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Vetault
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 6:22 PM
To: Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [WinTOTAL Group] Health Insurance

 

 

Gary,

 

If you're healthy, over 50, and don't have dependents to worry about, you might consider the revolutionary act of putting your money into savings instead of insurance premiums.

 

Here's my perspective: 

 

My health insurance was a group policy for small businesses, which includes self-employed individuals.  Last summer they announced my premium was going to go up by approximately 30% (combination of rate increase and age bracket change), to approximately $500/month.  The insurance would cover one annual doctor visit, part of a routine mammogram, some prescriptions, and not much else until I shelled out a ton of money.  There was a $2000 deductible.  The insurance would no longer cover procedures I need on a regular but infrequent basis, so those expenses wouldn't count toward the deductible.  I crunched the numbers and realized I would be paying approximately $9,000/year for me alone before they'd cover much of anything.  The problem was if I really got sick I wouldn't be able to keep working so I wouldn't be able to afford to continue the insurance, and I'd be uninsured almost immediately.  Hmmm.  I have several years to go until Medicare, assuming it's still available when I get there. 

 

I discussed things with my doctor, who pointed out that I am 1. Healthy (I see him maybe once or twice a YEAR) and 2. OLD by insurance company standards.  When the insurance industry considers you OLD the premiums are exhorbitant.  Even if you don't feel old.  

 

I started asking questions.  Without insurance, my routine annual physical would cost  $125 plus the lab work.  A routine mammogram would cost  $125 plus the radiologist's fee (another $125-250).  And they said they'd discount it if I paid cash.  So far, we're up to... less than one month's insurance premium.   I found discount programs for prescriptions.  Deep discounts.  With prices very close to my old insurance copays.  Hmmm....

 

After crunching the numbers again I figured I can run up $15,000 in unexpected medical bills every three years and still be ahead.   I haven't run up $15,000 in unexpected medical bills in the last 50+ years, even with two surgeries and a nasty car accident.  I realize I'm not immune to expensive illnesses and injuries, but I'm not high-risk either.

 

I finally told the insurance company to take a hike.  It was one of the most freeing decisions I've ever made.  I'm putting the money I would have spent on premiums into a savings account.  In just a few months the balance seems HUGE.  If something does happen in a couple of years, I should have enough money to pay cash for a big chunk of the medical bills and maybe even get a discount.  And if nothing happens I have a nest egg to use for retirement.  What a concept!

 

I'm not sure what the final health insurance "reforms" are going to look like, but I figure I'll still be ahead even if I have to shell out a $1,000 penalty every year for being uninsured.  Just not as far ahead as I would be otherwise. 

 

I'm all for health insurance for major medical stuff, as long as the premiums are reasonable.  But when the premium for health insurance is more than I spend per month on FOOD, when it's more than I spend per month on TRANSPORTATION, when it's more than the payment and interest was on my MORTGAGE, things have gotten out of control.  Priorities need rearranging.  It's time to take control back and opt out of that fear-based system.

 

Just my $0.02.  Your mileage may vary.

 

 

 

Sarah Vetault
Tucson, AZ
www.ComplineGroup.com

 

When making your choices in life, do not forget to live.  -Samuel Johnson

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 12:34 PM

Subject: [WinTOTAL Group] Health Insurance

 

 

Hi all – hope you have a pleasant Thanksgiving.

My health insurance premium increased 14% - to nearly $500 per month (!)

I am hoping to find out if there is a more affordable option.

I am insured through Keizer as a 53 year old self employed individual – who joined the local Board of Realtors to get in “The Group”. (My wife is disabled so she has her own plan through the state). I have good coverage (I think) and a $30 or $35 co-pay.

The Appraisal Institute insurer turned me down decades ago – due to a bogus pre-existing condition that has zero impact on my life.   Am I alone in this situation? Are there more affordable options out there?

Thanks for your input.

Gary Hovanian, SRA

Long Beach, Calif.



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#124725 From: "A. Gary Hovanian, SRA" <gary@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 3:59 am
Subject: RE: [WinTOTAL Group] Health Insurance
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Thank you all for your input.

I applaud the thoughtful choices that Sarah, Don, Mike & Richard have made.

 

I’m sitting here smoking a cigarette and thinking about tomorrows motorcycle ride.

(at least I make good MENTAL health decisions)

 

For me and the ones I love - going without health insurance is not an option. Heck – my sister & brother in law were financially wiped out by a bee sting on the bottom of my sisters foot! (They were between policies and did not get Cobra coverage).

 

My best bet is to educate myself – and find a reputable insurance broker / counselor.

 

Thanks again,

 

 

Gary in Long Beach, Calif.

   

 

 

 

From: Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Baker
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 7:00 PM
To: Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [WinTOTAL Group] Health Insurance

 

 

Don & Sarah – congratulations.  You’re exercising your capitalistic right to choose how and when to spend your money.  If enough did just that, the insurance companies would go out of business, or be forced to compete with the “non-insurance” option.  Just eat right, drive a safe car and look both ways before crossing the street!

 

-Charles

From: Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Pearsall
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 6:42 PM
To: Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [WinTOTAL Group] Health Insurance

 

 

Sarah, you make great sense. I am 57, in excellent physical shape, don’t smoke, and have spent ZERO $ on doctor bills in the last 3 years. Even with all of that, the minimum monthly premium for me for just catastrophic coverage (no doctor visits, no prescriptions) was going to be over $800. That is absurd. I can’t and won’t pay it. The health insurance companies are incredibly profitable and their entire business plan is to collect premiums and prevent actual pay outs.

 

I don’t know what the final health insurance plan will be either, but almost anything is better than the current situation.

Don

 

Don Pearsall
Sound Appraisal
Seattle, WA USA
206-714-2004
FAX 425-642-8102
donpearsall@...

http://www.soundappraisal.com

 

From: Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Vetault
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 6:22 PM
To: Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [WinTOTAL Group] Health Insurance

 

 

Gary,

 

If you're healthy, over 50, and don't have dependents to worry about, you might consider the revolutionary act of putting your money into savings instead of insurance premiums.

 

Here's my perspective: 

 

My health insurance was a group policy for small businesses, which includes self-employed individuals.  Last summer they announced my premium was going to go up by approximately 30% (combination of rate increase and age bracket change), to approximately $500/month.  The insurance would cover one annual doctor visit, part of a routine mammogram, some prescriptions, and not much else until I shelled out a ton of money.  There was a $2000 deductible.  The insurance would no longer cover procedures I need on a regular but infrequent basis, so those expenses wouldn't count toward the deductible.  I crunched the numbers and realized I would be paying approximately $9,000/year for me alone before they'd cover much of anything.  The problem was if I really got sick I wouldn't be able to keep working so I wouldn't be able to afford to continue the insurance, and I'd be uninsured almost immediately.  Hmmm.  I have several years to go until Medicare, assuming it's still available when I get there. 

 

I discussed things with my doctor, who pointed out that I am 1. Healthy (I see him maybe once or twice a YEAR) and 2. OLD by insurance company standards.  When the insurance industry considers you OLD the premiums are exhorbitant.  Even if you don't feel old.  

 

I started asking questions.  Without insurance, my routine annual physical would cost  $125 plus the lab work.  A routine mammogram would cost  $125 plus the radiologist's fee (another $125-250).  And they said they'd discount it if I paid cash.  So far, we're up to... less than one month's insurance premium.   I found discount programs for prescriptions.  Deep discounts.  With prices very close to my old insurance copays.  Hmmm....

 

After crunching the numbers again I figured I can run up $15,000 in unexpected medical bills every three years and still be ahead.   I haven't run up $15,000 in unexpected medical bills in the last 50+ years, even with two surgeries and a nasty car accident.  I realize I'm not immune to expensive illnesses and injuries, but I'm not high-risk either.

 

I finally told the insurance company to take a hike.  It was one of the most freeing decisions I've ever made.  I'm putting the money I would have spent on premiums into a savings account.  In just a few months the balance seems HUGE.  If something does happen in a couple of years, I should have enough money to pay cash for a big chunk of the medical bills and maybe even get a discount.  And if nothing happens I have a nest egg to use for retirement.  What a concept!

 

I'm not sure what the final health insurance "reforms" are going to look like, but I figure I'll still be ahead even if I have to shell out a $1,000 penalty every year for being uninsured.  Just not as far ahead as I would be otherwise. 

 

I'm all for health insurance for major medical stuff, as long as the premiums are reasonable.  But when the premium for health insurance is more than I spend per month on FOOD, when it's more than I spend per month on TRANSPORTATION, when it's more than the payment and interest was on my MORTGAGE, things have gotten out of control.  Priorities need rearranging.  It's time to take control back and opt out of that fear-based system.

 

Just my $0.02.  Your mileage may vary.

 

 

 

Sarah Vetault
Tucson, AZ
www.ComplineGroup.com

 

When making your choices in life, do not forget to live.  -Samuel Johnson

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 12:34 PM

Subject: [WinTOTAL Group] Health Insurance

 

 

Hi all – hope you have a pleasant Thanksgiving.

My health insurance premium increased 14% - to nearly $500 per month (!)

I am hoping to find out if there is a more affordable option.

I am insured through Keizer as a 53 year old self employed individual – who joined the local Board of Realtors to get in “The Group”. (My wife is disabled so she has her own plan through the state). I have good coverage (I think) and a $30 or $35 co-pay.

The Appraisal Institute insurer turned me down decades ago – due to a bogus pre-existing condition that has zero impact on my life.   Am I alone in this situation? Are there more affordable options out there?

Thanks for your input.

Gary Hovanian, SRA

Long Beach, Calif.



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#124726 From: "Paul James" <paul@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:00 am
Subject: RE: [WinTOTAL Group] Health Insurance
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Sarah
Be thankful you are healthy. Rene' & I are both uninsurable.
We are covered from her work, but maybe not for long.
Between the 2 of us, more that $500K has been spent in the past 20 months.
PJ
 

Paul James RAA

3906 Buena Vista Ave

Farmington, NM 87401
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fax 505-327-7168

for more information about me, see my web page: www.pjappraisals.com

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From: Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Vetault
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 7:22 PM
To: Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [WinTOTAL Group] Health Insurance

Gary,
 
If you're healthy, over 50, and don't have dependents to worry about, you might consider the revolutionary act of putting your money into savings instead of insurance premiums.
 
Here's my perspective: 
 
My health insurance was a group policy for small businesses, which includes self-employed individuals.  Last summer they announced my premium was going to go up by approximately 30% (combination of rate increase and age bracket change), to approximately $500/month.  The insurance would cover one annual doctor visit, part of a routine mammogram, some prescriptions, and not much else until I shelled out a ton of money.  There was a $2000 deductible.  The insurance would no longer cover procedures I need on a regular but infrequent basis, so those expenses wouldn't count toward the deductible.  I crunched the numbers and realized I would be paying approximately $9,000/year for me alone before they'd cover much of anything.  The problem was if I really got sick I wouldn't be able to keep working so I wouldn't be able to afford to continue the insurance, and I'd be uninsured almost immediately.  Hmmm.  I have several years to go until Medicare, assuming it's still available when I get there. 
 
I discussed things with my doctor, who pointed out that I am 1. Healthy (I see him maybe once or twice a YEAR) and 2. OLD by insurance company standards.  When the insurance industry considers you OLD the premiums are exhorbitant.  Even if you don't feel old.  
 
I started asking questions.  Without insurance, my routine annual physical would cost  $125 plus the lab work.  A routine mammogram would cost  $125 plus the radiologist's fee (another $125-250).  And they said they'd discount it if I paid cash.  So far, we're up to... less than one month's insurance premium.   I found discount programs for prescriptions.  Deep discounts.  With prices very close to my old insurance copays.  Hmmm....
 
After crunching the numbers again I figured I can run up $15,000 in unexpected medical bills every three years and still be ahead.   I haven't run up $15,000 in unexpected medical bills in the last 50+ years, even with two surgeries and a nasty car accident.  I realize I'm not immune to expensive illnesses and injuries, but I'm not high-risk either.
 
I finally told the insurance company to take a hike.  It was one of the most freeing decisions I've ever made.  I'm putting the money I would have spent on premiums into a savings account.  In just a few months the balance seems HUGE.  If something does happen in a couple of years, I should have enough money to pay cash for a big chunk of the medical bills and maybe even get a discount.  And if nothing happens I have a nest egg to use for retirement.  What a concept!
 
I'm not sure what the final health insurance "reforms" are going to look like, but I figure I'll still be ahead even if I have to shell out a $1,000 penalty every year for being uninsured.  Just not as far ahead as I would be otherwise. 
 
I'm all for health insurance for major medical stuff, as long as the premiums are reasonable.  But when the premium for health insurance is more than I spend per month on FOOD, when it's more than I spend per month on TRANSPORTATION, when it's more than the payment and interest was on my MORTGAGE, things have gotten out of control.  Priorities need rearranging.  It's time to take control back and opt out of that fear-based system.
 
Just my $0.02.  Your mileage may vary.
 
 
 
Sarah Vetault
Tucson, AZ
www.ComplineGroup.com
 
When making your choices in life, do not forget to live.  -Samuel Johnson
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 12:34 PM
Subject: [WinTOTAL Group] Health Insurance

 

Hi all – hope you have a pleasant Thanksgiving.

My health insurance premium increased 14% - to nearly $500 per month (!)

I am hoping to find out if there is a more affordable option.

I am insured through Keizer as a 53 year old self employed individual – who joined the local Board of Realtors to get in “The Group”. (My wife is disabled so she has her own plan through the state). I have good coverage (I think) and a $30 or $35 co-pay.

The Appraisal Institute insurer turned me down decades ago – due to a bogus pre-existing condition that has zero impact on my life.   Am I alone in this situation? Are there more affordable options out there?

Thanks for your input.

Gary Hovanian, SRA

Long Beach, Calif.



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#124727 From: "Jeffrey D. North" <jdnorth@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:49 am
Subject: RE: [WinTOTAL Group] Health Insurance
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Gary - sorry but you brought out a chuckle with the "I'm sitting here smoking a cigarette"….if intended are not you also have  a sense of humor…

 

 

Jeff North, Kansas City

 

From: Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of A. Gary Hovanian, SRA
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 10:00 PM
To: Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [WinTOTAL Group] Health Insurance

 




Thank you all for your input.

I applaud the thoughtful choices that Sarah, Don, Mike & Richard have made.

 

I’m sitting here smoking a cigarette and thinking about tomorrows motorcycle ride.

(at least I make good MENTAL health decisions)

 

For me and the ones I love - going without health insurance is not an option. Heck – my sister & brother in law were financially wiped out by a bee sting on the bottom of my sisters foot! (They were between policies and did not get Cobra coverage).

 

My best bet is to educate myself – and find a reputable insurance broker / counselor.

 

Thanks again,

 

 

Gary in Long Beach, Calif.

   

 

 

 

From: Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Baker
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 7:00 PM
To: Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [WinTOTAL Group] Health Insurance

 

 

Don & Sarah – congratulations.  You’re exercising your capitalistic right to choose how and when to spend your money.  If enough did just that, the insurance companies would go out of business, or be forced to compete with the “non-insurance” option.  Just eat right, drive a safe car and look both ways before crossing the street!

 

-Charles

From: Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Pearsall
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 6:42 PM
To: Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [WinTOTAL Group] Health Insurance

 

 

Sarah, you make great sense. I am 57, in excellent physical shape, don’t smoke, and have spent ZERO $ on doctor bills in the last 3 years. Even with all of that, the minimum monthly premium for me for just catastrophic coverage (no doctor visits, no prescriptions) was going to be over $800. That is absurd. I can’t and won’t pay it. The health insurance companies are incredibly profitable and their entire business plan is to collect premiums and prevent actual pay outs.

 

I don’t know what the final health insurance plan will be either, but almost anything is better than the current situation.

Don

 

Don Pearsall
Sound Appraisal
Seattle, WA USA
206-714-2004
FAX 425-642-8102
donpearsall@...

http://www.soundappraisal.com

 

From: Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Vetault
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 6:22 PM
To: Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [WinTOTAL Group] Health Insurance

 

 

Gary,

 

If you're healthy, over 50, and don't have dependents to worry about, you might consider the revolutionary act of putting your money into savings instead of insurance premiums.

 

Here's my perspective: 

 

My health insurance was a group policy for small businesses, which includes self-employed individuals.  Last summer they announced my premium was going to go up by approximately 30% (combination of rate increase and age bracket change), to approximately $500/month.  The insurance would cover one annual doctor visit, part of a routine mammogram, some prescriptions, and not much else until I shelled out a ton of money.  There was a $2000 deductible.  The insurance would no longer cover procedures I need on a regular but infrequent basis, so those expenses wouldn't count toward the deductible.  I crunched the numbers and realized I would be paying approximately $9,000/year for me alone before they'd cover much of anything.  The problem was if I really got sick I wouldn't be able to keep working so I wouldn't be able to afford to continue the insurance, and I'd be uninsured almost immediately.  Hmmm.  I have several years to go until Medicare, assuming it's still available when I get there. 

 

I discussed things with my doctor, who pointed out that I am 1. Healthy (I see him maybe once or twice a YEAR) and 2. OLD by insurance company standards.  When the insurance industry considers you OLD the premiums are exhorbitant.  Even if you don't feel old.  

 

I started asking questions.  Without insurance, my routine annual physical would cost  $125 plus the lab work.  A routine mammogram would cost  $125 plus the radiologist's fee (another $125-250).  And they said they'd discount it if I paid cash.  So far, we're up to... less than one month's insurance premium.   I found discount programs for prescriptions.  Deep discounts.  With prices very close to my old insurance copays.  Hmmm....

 

After crunching the numbers again I figured I can run up $15,000 in unexpected medical bills every three years and still be ahead.   I haven't run up $15,000 in unexpected medical bills in the last 50+ years, even with two surgeries and a nasty car accident.  I realize I'm not immune to expensive illnesses and injuries, but I'm not high-risk either.

 

I finally told the insurance company to take a hike.  It was one of the most freeing decisions I've ever made.  I'm putting the money I would have spent on premiums into a savings account.  In just a few months the balance seems HUGE.  If something does happen in a couple of years, I should have enough money to pay cash for a big chunk of the medical bills and maybe even get a discount.  And if nothing happens I have a nest egg to use for retirement.  What a concept!

 

I'm not sure what the final health insurance "reforms" are going to look like, but I figure I'll still be ahead even if I have to shell out a $1,000 penalty every year for being uninsured.  Just not as far ahead as I would be otherwise. 

 

I'm all for health insurance for major medical stuff, as long as the premiums are reasonable.  But when the premium for health insurance is more than I spend per month on FOOD, when it's more than I spend per month on TRANSPORTATION, when it's more than the payment and interest was on my MORTGAGE, things have gotten out of control.  Priorities need rearranging.  It's time to take control back and opt out of that fear-based system.

 

Just my $0.02.  Your mileage may vary.

 

 

 

Sarah Vetault
Tucson, AZ
www.ComplineGroup.com

 

When making your choices in life, do not forget to live.  -Samuel Johnson

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 12:34 PM

Subject: [WinTOTAL Group] Health Insurance

 

 

Hi all – hope you have a pleasant Thanksgiving.

My health insurance premium increased 14% - to nearly $500 per month (!)

I am hoping to find out if there is a more affordable option.

I am insured through Keizer as a 53 year old self employed individual – who joined the local Board of Realtors to get in “The Group”. (My wife is disabled so she has her own plan through the state). I have good coverage (I think) and a $30 or $35 co-pay.

The Appraisal Institute insurer turned me down decades ago – due to a bogus pre-existing condition that has zero impact on my life.   Am I alone in this situation? Are there more affordable options out there?

Thanks for your input.

Gary Hovanian, SRA

Long Beach, Calif.



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#124728 From: <john@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:59 am
Subject: Re: [WinTOTAL Group] Health Insurance -- A little off topic . . . rant
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Has anyone noticed that these people in their 50s  that are going without insurance are still paying for the health care of the people over 65?  Nobody (republicans or democrats) seems to be talking about this.  Our system takes high cost seniors and put that cost on the taxpayers. Privatize the profits and put the losses on the taxpayers.  That is bailout mentality and it only benefits corporations, not people. Suffering is suffering, no matter how old you are.  A senior that has plenty of money and an estate to pass down to the kids will have his/her medical care paid for by younger people, who are working, and who don't have insurance.  Meanwhile, we do very little for prenatal and neonatal care. I'm told that if it wasn't for Latvia, the USA would be dead last in infant mortality of developed countries. We have a twisted system of priorities if you ask me. 
 
That's my $.02
 
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:41 PM
Subject: RE: [WinTOTAL Group] Health Insurance

 

Sarah, you make great sense. I am 57, in excellent physical shape, don’t smoke, and have spent ZERO $ on doctor bills in the last 3 years. Even with all of that, the minimum monthly premium for me for just catastrophic coverage (no doctor visits, no prescriptions) was going to be over $800. That is absurd. I can’t and won’t pay it. The health insurance companies are incredibly profitable and their entire business plan is to collect premiums and prevent actual pay outs.

I don’t know what the final health insurance plan will be either, but almost anything is better than the current situation.

Don

Don Pearsall
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Seattle, WA USA
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From: Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Vetault
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 6:22 PM
To: Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [WinTOTAL Group] Health Insurance

 

Gary,

If you're healthy, over 50, and don't have dependents to worry about, you might consider the revolutionary act of putting your money into savings instead of insurance premiums.

Here's my perspective: 

My health insurance was a group policy for small businesses, which includes self-employed individuals.  Last summer they announced my premium was going to go up by approximately 30% (combination of rate increase and age bracket change), to approximately $500/month.  The insurance would cover one annual doctor visit, part of a routine mammogram, some prescriptions, and not much else until I shelled out a ton of money.  There was a $2000 deductible.  The insurance would no longer cover procedures I need on a regular but infrequent basis, so those expenses wouldn't count toward the deductible.  I crunched the numbers and realized I would be paying approximately $9,000/year for me alone before they'd cover much of anything.  The problem was if I really got sick I wouldn't be able to keep working so I wouldn't be able to afford to continue the insurance, and I'd be uninsured almost immediately.  Hmmm.  I have several years to go until Medicare, assuming it's still available when I get there. 

I discussed things with my doctor, who pointed out that I am 1. Healthy (I see him maybe once or twice a YEAR) and 2. OLD by insurance company standards.  When the insurance industry considers you OLD the premiums are exhorbitant.  Even if you don't feel old.  

I started asking questions.  Without insurance, my routine annual physical would cost  $125 plus the lab work.  A routine mammogram would cost  $125 plus the radiologist's fee (another $125-250).  And they said they'd discount it if I paid cash.  So far, we're up to... less than one month's insurance premium.   I found discount programs for prescriptions.  Deep discounts.  With prices very close to my old insurance copays.  Hmmm....

After crunching the numbers again I figured I can run up $15,000 in unexpected medical bills every three years and still be ahead.   I haven't run up $15,000 in unexpected medical bills in the last 50+ years, even with two surgeries and a nasty car accident.  I realize I'm not immune to expensive illnesses and injuries, but I'm not high-risk either.

I finally told the insurance company to take a hike.  It was one of the most freeing decisions I've ever made.  I'm putting the money I would have spent on premiums into a savings account.  In just a few months the balance seems HUGE.  If something does happen in a couple of years, I should have enough money to pay cash for a big chunk of the medical bills and maybe even get a discount.  And if nothing happens I have a nest egg to use for retirement.  What a concept!

I'm not sure what the final health insurance "reforms" are going to look like, but I figure I'll still be ahead even if I have to shell out a $1,000 penalty every year for being uninsured.  Just not as far ahead as I would be otherwise. 

I'm all for health insurance for major medical stuff, as long as the premiums are reasonable.  But when the premium for health insurance is more than I spend per month on FOOD, when it's more than I spend per month on TRANSPORTATION, when it's more than the payment and interest was on my MORTGAGE, things have gotten out of control.  Priorities need rearranging.  It's time to take control back and opt out of that fear-based system.

Just my $0.02.  Your mileage may vary.

Sarah Vetault
Tucson, AZ
www.ComplineGroup.com

When making your choices in life, do not forget to live.  -Samuel Johnson

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 12:34 PM

Subject: [WinTOTAL Group] Health Insurance

 

Hi all – hope you have a pleasant Thanksgiving.

My health insurance premium increased 14% - to nearly $500 per month (!)

I am hoping to find out if there is a more affordable option.

I am insured through Keizer as a 53 year old self employed individual – who joined the local Board of Realtors to get in “The Group”. (My wife is disabled so she has her own plan through the state). I have good coverage (I think) and a $30 or $35 co-pay.

The Appraisal Institute insurer turned me down decades ago – due to a bogus pre-existing condition that has zero impact on my life.   Am I alone in this situation? Are there more affordable options out there?

Thanks for your input.

Gary Hovanian, SRA

Long Beach, Calif.



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#124729 From: "Sarah Vetault" <sarah@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 6:24 am
Subject: Re: [WinTOTAL Group] Health Insurance
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PJ,
 
I hope you and Rene' can keep some kind of coverage.  You guys need it.  I'd like to see a national health care system where EVERYONE contributes to the system and the risk is truly distributed.  Unfortunately the national system got shot down so we're stuck with some form of insurance-for-profit until we qualify for Medicare.   Which has its own issues.
 
Good luck to both of you!
 
Sarah Vetault
Tucson, AZ
www.ComplineGroup.com
 
When making your choices in life, do not forget to live.  -Samuel Johnson
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul James
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:00 PM
Subject: RE: [WinTOTAL Group] Health Insurance

 

Sarah
Be thankful you are healthy. Rene' & I are both uninsurable.
We are covered from her work, but maybe not for long.
Between the 2 of us, more that $500K has been spent in the past 20 months.
PJ
 

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Farmington, NM 87401
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From: Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Vetault
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 7:22 PM
To: Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [WinTOTAL Group] Health Insurance

Gary,
 
If you're healthy, over 50, and don't have dependents to worry about, you might consider the revolutionary act of putting your money into savings instead of insurance premiums.
 
Here's my perspective: 
 
My health insurance was a group policy for small businesses, which includes self-employed individuals.  Last summer they announced my premium was going to go up by approximately 30% (combination of rate increase and age bracket change), to approximately $500/month.  The insurance would cover one annual doctor visit, part of a routine mammogram, some prescriptions, and not much else until I shelled out a ton of money.  There was a $2000 deductible.  The insurance would no longer cover procedures I need on a regular but infrequent basis, so those expenses wouldn't count toward the deductible.  I crunched the numbers and realized I would be paying approximately $9,000/year for me alone before they'd cover much of anything.  The problem was if I really got sick I wouldn't be able to keep working so I wouldn't be able to afford to continue the insurance, and I'd be uninsured almost immediately.  Hmmm.  I have several years to go until Medicare, assuming it's still available when I get there. 
 
I discussed things with my doctor, who pointed out that I am 1. Healthy (I see him maybe once or twice a YEAR) and 2. OLD by insurance company standards.  When the insurance industry considers you OLD the premiums are exhorbitant.  Even if you don't feel old.  
 
I started asking questions.  Without insurance, my routine annual physical would cost  $125 plus the lab work.  A routine mammogram would cost  $125 plus the radiologist's fee (another $125-250).  And they said they'd discount it if I paid cash.  So far, we're up to... less than one month's insurance premium.   I found discount programs for prescriptions.  Deep discounts.  With prices very close to my old insurance copays.  Hmmm....
 
After crunching the numbers again I figured I can run up $15,000 in unexpected medical bills every three years and still be ahead.   I haven't run up $15,000 in unexpected medical bills in the last 50+ years, even with two surgeries and a nasty car accident.  I realize I'm not immune to expensive illnesses and injuries, but I'm not high-risk either.
 
I finally told the insurance company to take a hike.  It was one of the most freeing decisions I've ever made.  I'm putting the money I would have spent on premiums into a savings account.  In just a few months the balance seems HUGE.  If something does happen in a couple of years, I should have enough money to pay cash for a big chunk of the medical bills and maybe even get a discount.  And if nothing happens I have a nest egg to use for retirement.  What a concept!
 
I'm not sure what the final health insurance "reforms" are going to look like, but I figure I'll still be ahead even if I have to shell out a $1,000 penalty every year for being uninsured.  Just not as far ahead as I would be otherwise. 
 
I'm all for health insurance for major medical stuff, as long as the premiums are reasonable.  But when the premium for health insurance is more than I spend per month on FOOD, when it's more than I spend per month on TRANSPORTATION, when it's more than the payment and interest was on my MORTGAGE, things have gotten out of control.  Priorities need rearranging.  It's time to take control back and opt out of that fear-based system.
 
Just my $0.02.  Your mileage may vary.
 
 
 
Sarah Vetault
Tucson, AZ
www.ComplineGroup.com
 
When making your choices in life, do not forget to live.  -Samuel Johnson
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 12:34 PM
Subject: [WinTOTAL Group] Health Insurance

 

Hi all – hope you have a pleasant Thanksgiving.

My health insurance premium increased 14% - to nearly $500 per month (!)

I am hoping to find out if there is a more affordable option.

I am insured through Keizer as a 53 year old self employed individual – who joined the local Board of Realtors to get in “The Group”. (My wife is disabled so she has her own plan through the state). I have good coverage (I think) and a $30 or $35 co-pay.

The Appraisal Institute insurer turned me down decades ago – due to a bogus pre-existing condition that has zero impact on my life.   Am I alone in this situation? Are there more affordable options out there?

Thanks for your input.

Gary Hovanian, SRA

Long Beach, Calif.



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#124730 From: "bmartin8742004" <brentleymartin@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:21 am
Subject: What Form when H&BU Change from Multi- to Single
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Hi, all.

I am working on a non-lending appraisal on a vacant two-family in an area where
multi-family properties are just beginning to be converted back into single
family homes due to both the shortage of single family's in this price range,
the over-supply of two-family homes and the lack of renters in the area. The
subject has already had all of the door handles and a couple of doors removed
between floors, which furthers the case that its being shown as a single family
as well. PSF for single family far exceeds multi-family and the cost of
conversion to single for the subject is nominal. There are at least two other
conversion comps that were MF's that are now SF's and another is pending that is
being offered as SF.

The rub is that there are two distinct kitchens, heat systems and electric
meters and two units are clearly present (though one is more like an ADU).

1) Is it sufficient to develop the H&BU in my workfile and discuss my findings
in a single family report?
2) Since it is a non-lender assignment and the buyer only needs a reporting of
value, what abbreviated form should I use?
3) Should I stick with the 2-4 Family form and just compare single and
multi-family properties in the grid?

Thanks.


Brent
On Call
Maine

#124731 From: LYRA64@...
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:38 am
Subject: Re: [WinTOTAL Group] Health Insurance
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What Richard is describing below is a similar to what we have here in NJ as a HSA (Health Savings Account).  I just got my renewal quote for the new year. My premiums are going up another 30%. Blue Cross wants over $800 per person for my wife and I.
 
I inquired about the HSA and the premiums are as low as $189 pp. If you want better coverage is goes up to $440 pp. and there are plans in between., In NJ (highest rates in the country for insurance and taxes for that matter) you need 2 people in a business to get a small group policy. I would assume most people on this site may qualify for that.
 
Just some info from the east coast.
 
Frank Piserchia
Appraisal Process Systems
 
In a message dated 11/24/2009 2:54:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, brotzman@... writes:
 

Gary,

My health insurance is through Blue Cross Blue Shield of Texas.  48 yr old male, non-smoker in good health.  I have a $1,000 deductible and a prescription drug card that requires a small co-pay on prescription drugs.  I do NOT have coverage that lets me visit my doctor's office for just a small co-pay....I pay 100% until the deductible is reached, then pay 20% until my total out-of-pocket reaches $2,500 in a calendar year, at which point the insurance pays 100%.  The premium is about $220 per month.

I used to carry insurance that let me visit my doctor any time with just a small co-pay.  When the premium on that plan got too expensive, I started pricing different options and discovered that by doing away with that one coverage area, I cut my premiums somewhere between 25% and 50%.  At a savings of well over $100 per month, and a typical office visit costing about $100, I'd have to visit my doctor's office more than once a month for the office visit co-pay coverage to make sense.  If you're healthy and don't see your doctor more than once or twice a month, you might look into dropping the office visit co-pay coverage and see how much that drops your premium.  It was the right decision for me.

Richard Brotzman
Harlingen, TX



A. Gary Hovanian, SRA wrote:

 

Hi all – hope you have a pleasant Thanksgiving.

My health insurance premium increased 14% - to nearly $500 per month (!)

I am hoping to find out if there is a more affordable option.

I am insured through Keizer as a 53 year old self employed individual – who joined the local Board of Realtors to get in “The Groupâ€. (My wife is disabled so she has her own plan through the state). I have good coverage (I think) and a $30 or $35 co-pay.

The Appraisal Institute insurer turned me down decades ago – due to a bogus pre-existing condition that has zero impact on my life.   Am I alone in this situation? Are there more affordable options out there?

Thanks for your input.

Gary Hovanian, SRA

Long Beach, Calif.



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#124732 From: Candace Cooke <rpctexas@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:40 pm
Subject: Re: [WinTOTAL Group] Health Insurance
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Sarah -
 
I wish I could agree with you but......
 
My husband was a marathon runner, ate healthy, etc etc.  At 51 his blood pressure went up.  Turns out he has a congenital defect of the main arteries into the kidneys.  One stent was billed out at around $50k.  The next stent couldn't be inserted and the cost was even higher.  We are still dealing with his high blood pressure and the problems with the unresolved stricture in the one artery.
 
Now I know there are others on this list that have dealt with cancer.  I had no chemo and no radiation but my medical bills for the past year are nearing $200,000.  That's just surgery, testing, rehab, and medications (which I will on for the rest of my life). 
 
I think you really need to way this decision very very carefully. 
 
Yes there are dicounts for cash but cash would be depleted very quickly in the case of heart attack, cancer, etc.
 
Candy Cooke
Real Property Counselors, Inc.
Buchanan Dam, TX
512-925-7329



From: Sarah Vetault <sarah@...>
To: Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 24, 2009 8:21:55 PM
Subject: Re: [WinTOTAL Group] Health Insurance

 

Gary,
 
If you're healthy, over 50, and don't have dependents to worry about, you might consider the revolutionary act of putting your money into savings instead of insurance premiums.
 
Here's my perspective: 
 
My health insurance was a group policy for small businesses, which includes self-employed individuals.  Last summer they announced my premium was going to go up by approximately 30% (combination of rate increase and age bracket change), to approximately $500/month.  The insurance would cover one annual doctor visit, part of a routine mammogram, some prescriptions, and not much else until I shelled out a ton of money.  There was a $2000 deductible.  The insurance would no longer cover procedures I need on a regular but infrequent basis, so those expenses wouldn't count toward the deductible.  I crunched the numbers and realized I would be paying approximately $9,000/year for me alone before they'd cover much of anything.  The problem was if I really got sick I wouldn't be able to keep working so I wouldn't be able to afford to continue the insurance, and I'd be uninsured almost immediately.  Hmmm.  I have several years to go until Medicare, assuming it's still available when I get there. 
 
I discussed things with my doctor, who pointed out that I am 1. Healthy (I see him maybe once or twice a YEAR) and 2. OLD by insurance company standards.  When the insurance industry considers you OLD the premiums are exhorbitant.  Even if you don't feel old.  
 
I started asking questions.  Without insurance, my routine annual physical would cost  $125 plus the lab work.  A routine mammogram would cost  $125 plus the radiologist' s fee (another $125-250).  And they said they'd discount it if I paid cash.  So far, we're up to... less than one month's insurance premium.   I found discount programs for prescriptions.  Deep discounts.  With prices very close to my old insurance copays.  Hmmm....
 
After crunching the numbers again I figured I can run up $15,000 in unexpected medical bills every three years and still be ahead.   I haven't run up $15,000 in unexpected medical bills in the last 50+ years, even with two surgeries and a nasty car accident.  I realize I'm not immune to expensive illnesses and injuries, but I'm not high-risk either.
 
I finally told the insurance company to take a hike.  It was one of the most freeing decisions I've ever made.  I'm putting the money I would have spent on premiums into a savings account.  In just a few months the balance seems HUGE.  If something does happen in a couple of years, I should have enough money to pay cash for a big chunk of the medical bills and maybe even get a discount.  And if nothing happens I have a nest egg to use for retirement.  What a concept!
 
I'm not sure what the final health insurance "reforms" are going to look like, but I figure I'll still be ahead even if I have to shell out a $1,000 penalty every year for being uninsured.  Just not as far ahead as I would be otherwise. 
 
I'm all for health insurance for major medical stuff, as long as the premiums are reasonable.  But when the premium for health insurance is more than I spend per month on FOOD, when it's more than I spend per month on TRANSPORTATION, when it's more than the payment and interest was on my MORTGAGE, things have gotten out of control.  Priorities need rearranging.  It's time to take control back and opt out of that fear-based system.
 
Just my $0.02.  Your mileage may vary.
 
 
 
Sarah Vetault
Tucson, AZ
www.ComplineGroup. com
 
When making your choices in life, do not forget to live.  -Samuel Johnson
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 12:34 PM
Subject: [WinTOTAL Group] Health Insurance

 

Hi all – hope you have a pleasant Thanksgiving.

My health insurance premium increased 14% - to nearly $500 per month (!)

I am hoping to find out if there is a more affordable option.

I am insured through Keizer as a 53 year old self employed individual – who joined the local Board of Realtors to get in “The Groupâ€. (My wife is disabled so she has her own plan through the state). I have good coverage (I think) and a $30 or $35 co-pay.

The Appraisal Institute insurer turned me down decades ago – due to a bogus pre-existing condition that has zero impact on my life.   Am I alone in this situation? Are there more affordable options out there?

Thanks for your input.

Gary Hovanian, SRA

Long Beach, Calif.



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#124733 From: Candace Cooke <rpctexas@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:41 pm
Subject: Re: [WinTOTAL Group] Health Insurance
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Mike,
 
That's awesome.
 
Candy Cooke
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Buchanan Dam, TX
512-925-7329



From: Mike Lawton <valleyappraisal@...>
To: Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 24, 2009 8:30:59 PM
Subject: RE: [WinTOTAL Group] Health Insurance

 

OK, so I have been able to cut my premiums by more than half.  The plan that I had in the past was going through the roof, up to $1,200 (I’m 52), so, with the help of a agent that I met in a networking group, I now have a Kaiser plan that has $20 co-pay for office visits, and $2,700 deductible for each my wife and I, and a max out of pocket $5,400. Premium is $520.00 per month for both of us!   My prior plan with Blue Cross was $1,200 with a $5,000 deductible per person (due to pre-existing conditions) and an 80 / 20 after that.  I spent 36 hours in the hospital with IV fluids and 2 CAT scans and my portion was $11,000???  Great insurance, right?

 

If anyone wants the same kind of coverage that I now have, send me a private email and I will forward it to the agent.

 

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

 

Mike Lawton

Valley Appraisal

Valley Center, CA

mike@vcappraisal. com

www.vcappraisal. com


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I am with you John…..the plan for my wife and I from Anthem Blue Cross is $1342 per month. That’s a $1500 deductible per person.  I hate to say it but I can’t wait until Medicare….just 18 more months.

 

 

Mike Hurn

Tustin, CA

 


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Wish ours was only $500 …. Our family plan (my wife & I) just went up to a little over $1,100 per month.

 

Thank You ....

 

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Hi all – hope you have a pleasant Thanksgiving.

 

My health insurance premium increased 14% - to nearly $500 per month (!)

I am hoping to find out if there is a more affordable option.

 

I am insured through Keizer as a 53 year old self employed individual – who joined the local Board of Realtors to get in “The Groupâ€. (My wife is disabled so she has her own plan through the state). I have good coverage (I think) and a $30 or $35 co-pay.

 

The Appraisal Institute insurer turned me down decades ago – due to a bogus pre-existing condition that has zero impact on my life.   Am I alone in this situation? Are there more affordable options out there?

 

Thanks for your input.

 

Gary Hovanian, SRA

Long Beach , Calif.

 



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#124734 From: "Ben Baggett" <baggettb@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:56 pm
Subject: Re:What Form when H&BU Change from Multi- to Single
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Brent,
 
For many non-mortgage assignments I still use the old 1004 in many cases.
 
It gives you room to briefly explain your H&BU decision.
 
You can make a simple sentence statements like "The subject neighborhood life cycle is transitional. Original use primarily SFR, moved to MFR conversions, and presently transitioning back to SFR. Thus, H&BU considered SFR as supported by PSF & Cost to cure estimates for converting back to SFR."
 
In an addendum you do need a CYA statement of some sort.
 
Remember, most forms are summary forms, and none have adequate room for comprehensive comments. However, I have found reports that state things repetitively do flow in a very consistent manner.
 
Example: Simply state in the "Neighborhood" section that the neighborhood is transitional. in the "Site" section make a simple comment about H&BU (like part of that above). In the "Improvement" section comment on cost to cure of converting back to single family. In the "Sales Comparison Comments" section state that "x" comps are of converted MFR back to SFR. Make sure in the "Sales history" you report the historic sales prices of your MFR to SFR comps. I always put the last sales date and sales price. You do have to look it so why not put in the blanks?. Then in the "Reconciliation" section make on simple comment (sentence) that ties this all together. I always make a correlation statement. It usually begins with "Correlate to C#1 due to X and Y...".
 
As you can see each section contains a logical and consistent  progression ending with a final correlation comment. This report flow should have been what you were taught in "Appraisal Report Writing." It is what I was taught 20+ years ago. If you present all your reports, in this manner, you will have little if any future trouble. Also, if you use this type of flow you also will "highly-likely" (a term I'm using more & more these days), meet or exceed any USPAP standards. Remember it is not the form that was developed to meet USPAP requirements, it is what you the appraiser put in the form that is the measure of whether you meet those "minimum" standards. Think of it this way, if you were buying a new house, would you want to live in a house that JUST meets building codes? I wouldn't, I want my house to be built to exceed "Minimum" codes. Shouldn't our appraisal reports "exceed" minimum USPAP requirements? I indent for all my reports to exceed the minimums. This is a profession it needs professionals, not money-making schemers. Today's appraisers are on one side or the other. There is no middle ground, really never has been.   
 
Hope this helps.
 
Ben Baggett
Nashville, TN

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#124736 From: "Jeffrey D. North" <jdnorth@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 3:33 pm
Subject: RE: [WinTOTAL Group] Re:What Form when H&BU Change from Multi- to Single
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Ben,

 

Question - Since Brent's client is non lender wouldn’t some of his questions be directed to the client? Obviously the H & BU he must determine and explain regardless of the clients need but as far as  weather to appraise it as a SFR or Multi Family wouldn’t the clients intended use of the property be the primary influence , once again since it is a non lender assignment?

 

Brent, I think you need to consult with your client to determine your scope of work which should dictate the most adequate form. One obstacle I believe you may have to contend with is if your client intends on converting it back to SFR do they want an "as is" value or a value based on "as repaired" or "as converted".  

 

If the client informed me that they intended on converting it to SFR I would probably use the old 1004.  I recommend that you consult with your client for a clear understanding of their need and then prepare a thorough scope of work.

 

Jeff North

Kansas City, MO

 

 

 

 

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Brent,

 

For many non-mortgage assignments I still use the old 1004 in many cases.

 

It gives you room to briefly explain your H&BU decision.

 

You can make a simple sentence statements like "The subject neighborhood life cycle is transitional. Original use primarily SFR, moved to MFR conversions, and presently transitioning back to SFR. Thus, H&BU considered SFR as supported by PSF & Cost to cure estimates for converting back to SFR."

 

In an addendum you do need a CYA statement of some sort.

 

Remember, most forms are summary forms, and none have adequate room for comprehensive comments. However, I have found reports that state things repetitively do flow in a very consistent manner.

 

Example: Simply state in the "Neighborhood" section that the neighborhood is transitional. in the "Site" section make a simple comment about H&BU (like part of that above). In the "Improvement" section comment on cost to cure of converting back to single family. In the "Sales Comparison Comments" section state that "x" comps are of converted MFR back to SFR. Make sure in the "Sales history" you report the historic sales prices of your MFR to SFR comps. I always put the last sales date and sales price. You do have to look it so why not put in the blanks?. Then in the "Reconciliation" section make on simple comment (sentence) that ties this all together. I always make a correlation statement. It usually begins with "Correlate to C#1 due to X and Y...".

 

As you can see each section contains a logical and consistent  progression ending with a final correlation comment. This report flow should have been what you were taught in "Appraisal Report Writing." It is what I was taught 20+ years ago. If you present all your reports, in this manner, you will have little if any future trouble. Also, if you use this type of flow you also will "highly-likely" (a term I'm using more & more these days), meet or exceed any USPAP standards. Remember it is not the form that was developed to meet USPAP requirements, it is what you the appraiser put in the form that is the measure of whether you meet those "minimum" standards. Think of it this way, if you were buying a new house, would you want to live in a house that JUST meets building codes? I wouldn't, I want my house to be built to exceed "Minimum" codes. Shouldn't our appraisal reports "exceed" minimum USPAP requirements? I indent for all my reports to exceed the minimums. This is a profession it needs professionals, not money-making schemers. Today's appraisers are on one side or the other. There is no middle ground, really never has been.   

 

Hope this helps.

 

Ben Baggett

Nashville, TN





#124737 From: "Don Lee" <lee@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:13 pm
Subject: VERY FUNNY Gotta get them to write my resume!!! - Thanksgiving Humor
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It just all depends on how you look at some  things...

Judy Wallman, a professional  genealogy researcher in southern   California , was doing some personal  work on her own family tree. She discovered that Congressman Harry Reid's  great-great uncle, Remus Reid, was hanged for horse stealing and train  robbery in   Montana in 1889. Both Judy and Harry  Reid share this common ancestor.

The only known photograph of Remus  shows him standing on the gallows  in   Montana territory:  


On the  back of the picture Judy obtained during her research is this inscription:  'Remus Reid, horse thief, sent to Montana Territorial Prison 1885, escaped  1887, robbed the Montana Flyer six times. Caught by Pinkerton detectives,  convicted and hanged in 1889.'

So Judy recently e-mailed  Congressman Harry Reid for information about their great-great uncle.  
Harry Reid:
 



Believe it or not, Harry Reid's staff sent back the  following biographical sketch for her genealogy research:
 

"Remus Reid was a famous  cowboy in the   Montana   Territory . His business empire grew  to include acquisition of valuable equestrian assets and intimate dealings  with the   Montana railroad. Beginning in 1883, he  devoted several years of his life to government service, finally taking  leave to resume his dealings with the railroad. In 1887, he was a key  player in a vital investigation run by the renowned Pinkerton Detective  Agency. In 1889, Remus passed away during an important civic function held  in his honor when the platform upon which he was standing  collapsed."



NOW THAT's how it's done, Folks!  
That's real POLITICAL SPIN


 

 

 


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#124738 From: "Jeffrey D. North" <jdnorth@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:28 pm
Subject: RE: [WinTOTAL Group] VERY FUNNY Gotta get them to write my resume!!! - Thanksgiving Humor
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Wow, that is great……Thanks for sharing Don.

 

 

Jeff North

Kansas City, MO

 

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Don M. Lee, IFA

Lee appraisals

Belleville, IL 62223

Ph. 618 397-1082

Fax 618 397-1092

lee@...

 

 

It just all depends on how you look at some  things...

Judy Wallman, a professional  genealogy researcher in southern   California , was doing some personal  work on her own family tree. She discovered that Congressman Harry Reid's  great-great uncle, Remus Reid, was hanged for horse stealing and train  robbery in   Montana in 1889. Both Judy and Harry  Reid share this common ancestor.

The only known photograph of Remus  shows him standing on the gallows  in   Montana territory:  


On the  back of the picture Judy obtained during her research is this inscription:  'Remus Reid, horse thief, sent to Montana Territorial Prison 1885, escaped  1887, robbed the Montana Flyer six times. Caught by Pinkerton detectives,  convicted and hanged in 1889.'

So Judy recently e-mailed  Congressman Harry Reid for information about their great-great uncle.  
Harry Reid:
 



Believe it or not, Harry Reid's staff sent back the  following biographical sketch for her genealogy research:
 

"Remus Reid was a famous  cowboy in the   Montana   Territory . His business empire grew  to include acquisition of valuable equestrian assets and intimate dealings  with the   Montana railroad. Beginning in 1883, he  devoted several years of his life to government service, finally taking  leave to resume his dealings with the railroad. In 1887, he was a key  player in a vital investigation run by the renowned Pinkerton Detective  Agency. In 1889, Remus passed away during an important civic function held  in his honor when the platform upon which he was standing  collapsed."



NOW THAT's how it's done, Folks!  
That's real POLITICAL SPIN


 

 

 


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#124739 From: "Greg Klingler" <greg.klingler@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:38 pm
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Just wanted to wish everybody a HAPPY THANKSGIVING!

 

Greg in Glens Falls

 


#124740 From: Richard Brotzman <brotzman@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:44 pm
Subject: Re: [WinTOTAL Group] VERY FUNNY Gotta get them to write my resume!!! - Thanksgiving Humor
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That's a great little bit of humor, but just so everybody knows, the story is a complete fabrication and has circulated the net several times with various names like Clinton, Gore, Ted Stevens, and even one Canadian politician substituted for Reid.

Richard Brotzman
Harlingen, TX



Jeffrey D. North wrote:
 

Wow, that is great……Thanks for sharing Don.

 

 

Jeff North

Kansas City, MO

 

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Don M. Lee, IFA

Lee appraisals

Belleville, IL 62223

Ph. 618 397-1082

Fax 618 397-1092

lee@compu-type.net

 

 

It just all depends on how you look at some  things...

Judy Wallman, a professional  genealogy researcher in southern   California , was doing some personal  work on her own family tree. She discovered that Congressman Harry Reid's  great-great uncle, Remus Reid, was hanged for horse stealing and train  robbery in   Montana in 1889. Both Judy and Harry  Reid share this common ancestor.

The only known photograph of Remus  shows him standing on the gallows  in   Montana territory:  


On the  back of the picture Judy obtained during her research is this inscription:  'Remus Reid, horse thief, sent to Montana Territorial Prison 1885, escaped  1887, robbed the Montana Flyer six times. Caught by Pinkerton detectives,  convicted and hanged in 1889.'

So Judy recently e-mailed  Congressman Harry Reid for information about their great-great uncle.  
Harry Reid:
 



Believe it or not, Harry Reid's staff sent back the  following biographical sketch for her genealogy research:
 

"Remus Reid was a famous  cowboy in the   Montana   Territory . His business empire grew  to include acquisition of valuable equestrian assets and intimate dealings  with the   Montana railroad. Beginning in 1883, he  devoted several years of his life to government service, finally taking  leave to resume his dealings with the railroad. In 1887, he was a key  player in a vital investigation run by the renowned Pinkerton Detective  Agency. In 1889, Remus passed away during an important civic function held  in his honor when the platform upon which he was standing  collapsed."



NOW THAT's how it's done, Folks!  
That's real POLITICAL SPIN


 

 

 


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#124741 From: "Jeffrey D. North" <jdnorth@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:51 pm
Subject: RE: [WinTOTAL Group] VERY FUNNY Gotta get them to write my resume!!! - Thanksgiving Humor
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Shoot, Richard you took the wind out of my sail……I was getting ready to forward it to all of my buddies.

 

Jeff North

 

 

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That's a great little bit of humor, but just so everybody knows, the story is a complete fabrication and has circulated the net several times with various names like Clinton, Gore, Ted Stevens, and even one Canadian politician substituted for Reid.

Richard Brotzman
Harlingen, TX



Jeffrey D. North wrote:

 

Wow, that is great……Thanks for sharing Don.

 

 

Jeff North

Kansas City, MO

 

From: Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Lee
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:13 AM
To: WTUG
Subject: [WinTOTAL Group] VERY FUNNY Gotta get them to write my resume!!! - Thanksgiving Humor

 





 

 

Don M. Lee, IFA

Lee appraisals

Belleville, IL 62223

Ph. 618 397-1082

Fax 618 397-1092

lee@...

 

 

It just all depends on how you look at some  things...

Judy Wallman, a professional  genealogy researcher in southern   California , was doing some personal  work on her own family tree. She discovered that Congressman Harry Reid's  great-great uncle, Remus Reid, was hanged for horse stealing and train  robbery in   Montana in 1889. Both Judy and Harry  Reid share this common ancestor.

The only known photograph of Remus  shows him standing on the gallows  in   Montana territory:  


On the  back of the picture Judy obtained during her research is this inscription:  'Remus Reid, horse thief, sent to Montana Territorial Prison 1885, escaped  1887, robbed the Montana Flyer six times. Caught by Pinkerton detectives,  convicted and hanged in 1889.'

So Judy recently e-mailed  Congressman Harry Reid for information about their great-great uncle.  
Harry Reid:
 



Believe it or not, Harry Reid's staff sent back the  following biographical sketch for her genealogy research:
 

"Remus Reid was a famous  cowboy in the   Montana   Territory . His business empire grew  to include acquisition of valuable equestrian assets and intimate dealings  with the   Montana railroad. Beginning in 1883, he  devoted several years of his life to government service, finally taking  leave to resume his dealings with the railroad. In 1887, he was a key  player in a vital investigation run by the renowned Pinkerton Detective  Agency. In 1889, Remus passed away during an important civic function held  in his honor when the platform upon which he was standing  collapsed."



NOW THAT's how it's done, Folks!  
That's real POLITICAL SPIN


 

 

 


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#124742 From: "vaklein" <vaklein@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 6:51 pm
Subject: Thanksgiving
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Hello from a lurker......

I would like to say just how much this forum has meant to me over the years that
I have been a member. I rarely post, but I read every digest that I get, and I
always glean good information from each one.

At this time to give thanks, I thank you all for your words and wisdom and wish
you all a Happy Thanksgiving holiday.

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>> Dear Ladies and Gentlemen,

Happy Thanksgiving from the Corcoran Family.

God bless and good luck in all your endeavors!

Sincerely,
George L. Corcoran <<

#124743 From: "Patrick E" <lvreqa@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:27 pm
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The last few years have brought with them many changes for me, professionally and personally. I think the same can be said for most, if not all of you. For me, thanksgiving marks the beginning of the holiday season, a time when we can reflect on the year we are leaving and consider the possibilities of the year we are about to enter, surrounded by the spirit of friends and family.

Thanksgiving is so appropriately named. Throughout the holiday season, I hope we'll take the time to consider all that we have to be thankful for, despite the challenges that we face or the obstacles we have overcome this year, to enter next year with a renewed sense of purpose and a rekindled spirit.

Happy Thanksgiving to all …

Patrick Egger

Las Vegas, NV

 

 


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#124744 From: "james_so_cal" <T2KUG@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:28 pm
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Now Jeff don't let a little thing like it may not be true get in the way. 
Truth, justice, fairness when have they been a factor in government.  Go ahead &
send it so they can enjoy it also after all isn't the point of the political
spin more important.

Anyway it really is a good story true or not and thanks for the post.

James SoCal
Belmont Shore, CA

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#124745 From: Barb Iverson <golfisme@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:42 pm
Subject: Re: [WinTOTAL Group] Re: Thanksgiving
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Very well said Patrick - as usual.

I have had a very good year and for that I am totally grateful and thankful, but the last couple of weeks I have heard of so many friends and relatives that have major things wrong with them this holiday season is going to be tough for a lot of people for a lot of different reasons.

I was saying in an e-mail today that I need some good news - really soon.

The only thing that has been fun for me in the last few days was Donnie Osmond winning Dancing With the Stars last night.  Ya, I know I'm shallow, but he is such a nice man and even though not the best dancer probably had the biggest heart and the largest fan base of all of the competitors.

Anyway - I add my wishes to all for a Happy Turkey Day from here in the woods of MN.

Barbara A. Iverson
Iverson Appraisals
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Patrick E wrote:
 

The last few years have brought with them many changes for me, professionally and personally. I think the same can be said for most, if not all of you. For me, thanksgiving marks the beginning of the holiday season, a time when we can reflect on the year we are leaving and consider the possibilities of the year we are about to enter, surrounded by the spirit of friends and family.

Thanksgiving is so appropriately named. Throughout the holiday season, I hope we'll take the time to consider all that we have to be thankful for, despite the challenges that we face or the obstacles we have overcome this year, to enter next year with a renewed sense of purpose and a rekindled spirit.

Happy Thanksgiving to all …

Patrick Egger

Las Vegas, NV

 

 


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> It has been a pleasure reading all of your posts and I wish everyone a very happy thanksgiving.
>
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#124746 From: "Jeffrey D. North" <jdnorth@...>
Date: Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:24 am
Subject: RE: [WinTOTAL Group] VERY FUNNY Gotta get them to write my resume!!! - Thanksgiving Humor
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James,

Like my great uncle Pat who was a heavy drinker used to say, "Jeff don't
ever let the truth get in the way of a good story".


Jeff North
Kansas City, MO


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resume!!! - Thanksgiving Humor

Now Jeff don't let a little thing like it may not be true get in the way.
Truth, justice, fairness when have they been a factor in government.  Go
ahead & send it so they can enjoy it also after all isn't the point of the
political spin more important.

Anyway it really is a good story true or not and thanks for the post.

James SoCal
Belmont Shore, CA

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#124747 From: Candace Cooke <rpctexas@...>
Date: Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:53 am
Subject: Re: [WinTOTAL Group] Re: Thanksgiving
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 Patrick -
 
Even though I hadn't put it into words my thoughts were much the same.  Happy Thanksgiving to all on the list.  
 
My family and I are celebrating my one year clear!
 
Candy Cooke
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Sent: Wed, November 25, 2009 2:27:59 PM
Subject: [WinTOTAL Group] Re: Thanksgiving

 

The last few years have brought with them many changes for me, professionally and personally. I think the same can be said for most, if not all of you. For me, thanksgiving marks the beginning of the holiday season, a time when we can reflect on the year we are leaving and consider the possibilities of the year we are about to enter, surrounded by the spirit of friends and family.

Thanksgiving is so appropriately named. Throughout the holiday season, I hope we'll take the time to consider all that we have to be thankful for, despite the challenges that we face or the obstacles we have overcome this year, to enter next year with a renewed sense of purpose and a rekindled spirit.

Happy Thanksgiving to all …

Patrick Egger

Las Vegas, NV

 

 


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> It has been a pleasure reading all of your posts and I wish everyone a very happy thanksgiving.
>
> Tillman Smith
> M&S Realty and Appraisal Company
> 117 Harding St.
> Chapin, SC 29036
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#124748 From: "bmartin8742004" <brentleymartin@...>
Date: Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:56 pm
Subject: [WinTOTAL Group] Re:What Form when H&BU Change from Multi- to Single
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Thanks for the responses so far; they have been very helpful. The client is
itself capable of self-financing but also has the ability to leverage their
funds with conventional financing so they can be both lender or borrower, but
the appraisal is not for that. The appraisal is a pre-cursor to their bid on a
property they've identified. They are allowed to bid no more than 99% of the
appraised value. They have identified intentions of converting primarily
multi-family properties that they have in their sights into SF's as they have
recognized the reversionary trend back to SF's due to the shortage (at the lower
end of the market).

My charting literally shows a break-even in PSF for the market segment of this
subject with both the similar segment of SF's and the overall market
(coincidence), so I went with current use as MF. The complex issue is that they
are initially benefited with the MF appraisal as it allows a comparison of both
the "one-unit" and multi-comparisons to be displayed. In knowing the intended
use and cost to convert could bring greater value, it makes for an interesting
discussion in the addenda between "current use" and "intended use" with
comparisons to one and two units in the grid.  As I expect more orders in the
future and as I've now discoved three other conversions in the immediate
vicinity, I've stuck with the GP MF form to be safe, though I anticipate
transitioning to the GP form for SF as the data becomes more reliable and I see
follow through on their intended use.

Brent
On Call
Maine

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> Ben,
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>
>
> Question - Since Brent's client is non lender wouldn't some of his questions
> be directed to the client? Obviously the H & BU he must determine and
> explain regardless of the clients need but as far as  weather to appraise it
> as a SFR or Multi Family wouldn't the clients intended use of the property
> be the primary influence , once again since it is a non lender assignment?
>
>
>
> Brent, I think you need to consult with your client to determine your scope
> of work which should dictate the most adequate form. One obstacle I believe
> you may have to contend with is if your client intends on converting it back
> to SFR do they want an "as is" value or a value based on "as repaired" or
> "as converted".
>
>
>
> If the client informed me that they intended on converting it to SFR I would
> probably use the old 1004.  I recommend that you consult with your client
> for a clear understanding of their need and then prepare a thorough scope of
> work.
>
>
>
> Jeff North
>
> Kansas City, MO
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> From: Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben Baggett
> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 8:57 AM
> To: Jack Smith
> Subject: [WinTOTAL Group] Re:What Form when H&BU Change from Multi- to
> Single
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Brent,
>
>
>
> For many non-mortgage assignments I still use the old 1004 in many cases.
>
>
>
> It gives you room to briefly explain your H&BU decision.
>
>
>
> You can make a simple sentence statements like "The subject neighborhood
> life cycle is transitional. Original use primarily SFR, moved to MFR
> conversions, and presently transitioning back to SFR. Thus, H&BU considered
> SFR as supported by PSF & Cost to cure estimates for converting back to
> SFR."
>
>
>
> In an addendum you do need a CYA statement of some sort.
>
>
>
> Remember, most forms are summary forms, and none have adequate room for
> comprehensive comments. However, I have found reports that state things
> repetitively do flow in a very consistent manner.
>
>
>
> Example: Simply state in the "Neighborhood" section that the neighborhood is
> transitional. in the "Site" section make a simple comment about H&BU (like
> part of that above). In the "Improvement" section comment on cost to cure of
> converting back to single family. In the "Sales Comparison Comments" section
> state that "x" comps are of converted MFR back to SFR. Make sure in the
> "Sales history" you report the historic sales prices of your MFR to SFR
> comps. I always put the last sales date and sales price. You do have to look
> it so why not put in the blanks?. Then in the "Reconciliation" section make
> on simple comment (sentence) that ties this all together. I always make a
> correlation statement. It usually begins with "Correlate to C#1 due to X and
> Y...".
>
>
>
> As you can see each section contains a logical and consistent  progression
> ending with a final correlation comment. This report flow should have been
> what you were taught in "Appraisal Report Writing." It is what I was taught
> 20+ years ago. If you present all your reports, in this manner, you will
> have little if any future trouble. Also, if you use this type of flow you
> also will "highly-likely" (a term I'm using more & more these days), meet or
> exceed any USPAP standards. Remember it is not the form that was developed
> to meet USPAP requirements, it is what you the appraiser put in the form
> that is the measure of whether you meet those "minimum" standards. Think of
> it this way, if you were buying a new house, would you want to live in a
> house that JUST meets building codes? I wouldn't, I want my house to be
> built to exceed "Minimum" codes. Shouldn't our appraisal reports "exceed"
> minimum USPAP requirements? I indent for all my reports to exceed the
> minimums. This is a profession it needs professionals, not money-making
> schemers. Today's appraisers are on one side or the other. There is no
> middle ground, really never has been.
>
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
>
> Ben Baggett
>
> Nashville, TN
>

#124749 From: "Charles Baker" <mail@...>
Date: Thu Nov 26, 2009 7:43 pm
Subject: Happy Thanksgiving
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At the age of 80, my mother is writing a book of poetry.  She sent this along in celebration of Thanksgiving.  (for those who can view the image at the bottom, it’s one of her paintings dating back to 1988.)

____________

 

 

Hi everyone, this is a Breakfast Exercise in Gratitude              November 18, 2009

 

I’m grateful for

Water, friends, smiles

Color, body, snow, ice

And telescopes

And all the other scopes out scoping about.

 

I’m grateful for

The Internet, healers, and pianos

And for the people who play them.

 

Radio, paperbacks and sunlight

What is light anyway?

 

I don’t want to forget animals, puddles, and paint.

What an amazing invention paint is.

 

I like words, imagination and fire.

What is fire? Where and how does it occur naturally?

Does it have to have something to burn?

 

I’m grateful for my home, my family, this coming feast,

My parents, my teachers, endless ideas,

The sciences, the arts and you my dears.

 

7 Cypress card

 

Charles Baker, SRA


#124750 From: Janice McNally <janmacappraisers@...>
Date: Thu Nov 26, 2009 8:13 pm
Subject: Re: [WinTOTAL Group] Happy Thanksgiving
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loved this
 
"Mac"
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From: Charles Baker <mail@...>
To: InlandCAAppraisersForum@yahoogroups.com; Total2000UsersGroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, November 26, 2009 11:43:30 AM
Subject: [WinTOTAL Group] Happy Thanksgiving

 

At the age of 80, my mother is writing a book of poetry.  She sent this along in celebration of Thanksgiving.  (for those who can view the image at the bottom, it’s one of her paintings dating back to 1988.)

____________

 

 

Hi everyone, this is a Breakfast Exercise in Gratitude              November 18, 2009

 

I’m grateful for

Water, friends, smiles

Color, body, snow, ice

And telescopes

And all the other scopes out scoping about.

 

I’m grateful for

The Internet, healers, and pianos

And for the people who play them.

 

Radio, paperbacks and sunlight

What is light anyway?

 

I don’t want to forget animals, puddles, and paint.

What an amazing invention paint is.

 

I like words, imagination and fire.

What is fire? Where and how does it occur naturally?

Does it have to have something to burn?

 

I’m grateful for my home, my family, this coming feast,

My parents, my teachers, endless ideas,

The sciences, the arts and you my dears.

 

7 Cypress card

 

Charles Baker, SRA



#124751 From: "jimshoe40" <jimshoe40@...>
Date: Thu Nov 26, 2009 8:35 pm
Subject: Re: detached condo question
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Mike,

I was just reading the FHA Mortgagee Letter 2009-46 B and discovered something
very interesting. Under the heading, "Loan Approval", item VI on page 13, "Site
Condominiums" are covered.  It says, "Appraisal data is collected and reported
on Fannie Mae form 1004, in accordance with Valuation Protocols, Appendix D of
HUD Handbook 4150.2."

"Site Condominiums" are defined on page 2 as, "... single family totally
detached dwellings (no shared garages or any other attached buildings)
encumbered by a declaration of condominium covenants or condominium form of
ownership."

Again, this is an FHA requirement but I still find it very odd since form 1004
is really not suited to appraisal of a condominium.

By the way, anyone doing FHA appraisals should review this letter closely. 
Specifically, one should review "Environmental Review Reqirements" on page 3...

...the lender must avoid or determine that there are mitigants to address the
following conditions before completing its review process:

1. The project is located in a Special Flood Hazard Area designated on a Federal
Emergency Management Agency flood map.
2. Potential noise issues, where the property is located within 1000 feet of a
highway, freeway, or heavily traveled road, within 3000 feet of a railroad, or
within one mile of an airport or five miles of a military airfield.
3. The property has an unobstructed view, or is located within 2000 feet, of any
facility handling or storing explosive or fire-prone materials.
4. The property is located within 3000 feet of a dump or landfill, or of a site
on an EPA Superfund (NPL) list or equivalent state list, or a Phase I
Environmental Site Assessment indicates the presence of a Recognized
Environmental Condition or recommends further (Phase II) assessment for the
presence of contaminants that could affect the site.
5. The property has any hazards or adverse conditions listed in Section 1.f. of
the Builder's Certification, including, but not limited to, high ground water
levels, unstable soils, or earth fill.
6. The project is located in a wetland designated on National Wetlands Inventory
maps or designated by State or local authorities.
7. The project is on the National Register of Historic Places or is within a
historic district listed on the Register.
8. The appraiser or DE lender is aware of any other condition that could
adversely affect the health or safety of the residents of the project.

James Shoe
Laguna Niguel, CA

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> I have a client that I completed a 1073 for on a detached condo.  Client now
> says they want it on a 1004 because it is a site condo. Can I do that
> without it being misleading?  I guess I can put all the condo data in an
> addendum.  Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Mike Lawton
>
> Valley Appraisal
>
> Valley Center, CA
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#124752 From: Barb Iverson <golfisme@...>
Date: Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:27 pm
Subject: Re: [WinTOTAL Group] Happy Thanksgiving
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Oh how precious!!!!

Thanks so much for sending this along to those of us who are alone on this holiday.

It it a beautiful poem and painting.

Barb from MN

Charles Baker wrote:
 

At the age of 80, my mother is writing a book of poetry.  She sent this along in celebration of Thanksgiving.  (for those who can view the image at the bottom, it’s one of her paintings dating back to 1988.)

____________

 

 

Hi everyone, this is a Breakfast Exercise in Gratitude              November 18, 2009

 

I’m grateful for

Water, friends, smiles

Color, body, snow, ice

And telescopes

And all the other scopes out scoping about.

 

I’m grateful for

The Internet, healers, and pianos

And for the people who play them.

 

Radio, paperbacks and sunlight

What is light anyway?

 

I don’t want to forget animals, puddles, and paint.

What an amazing invention paint is.

 

I like words, imagination and fire.

What is fire? Where and how does it occur naturally?

Does it have to have something to burn?

 

I’m grateful for my home, my family, this coming feast,

My parents, my teachers, endless ideas,

The sciences, the arts and you my dears.

 

7 Cypress card

 

Charles Baker, SRA



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