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Re: [UKBotany] Small Downland Plant (unidentified)

Hi Andy

No it isn't Autumn Gentian, it is a labiate, I suspect a late flowering,
hard growing (almost de rigeur on bare chalk slopes), white Ground Ivy.
I can't quite see the leaf shape.

John

British Marine Life Study Society wrote:

>Hello
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>Thanks for the reply Tina. Looking for white Autumn Gentian now!
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>I knew I was tired, but I forgot to put in the link to the photograph:
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>http://www.glaucus.org.uk/Flora385.jpg
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>The leaves are wrong for Autumn Gentian (=Felwort). I expect the above is a
>very common plant and I am having a "blind spot".
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>That is the trouble with putting up IDs as I should really know the answer,
>but I don't!
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>Although, I learnt some names as a child, these names often do not
>correspond to the book names, probably because the names given were the
>wrong plant. A rather limited selection of books were available in those
>days.
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>Mill Hill 2005
>http://www.glaucus.org.uk/MillHill2005.html
>Shoreham Bank 2005
>http://www.glaucus.org.uk/VetchTrail2005.htm
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>Cheers
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>Andy Horton
>glaucus@...
>Adur Valley Nature Notes (including Shoreham-by-Sea, West Sussex)
>http://www.glaucus.org.uk/Adur2003.htm
>http://www.glaucus.org.uk/Adur2004.html
>http://www.glaucus.org.uk/Adur2005.html
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Hello, This small plant was discovered on 16 August 2005 amongst the short herbs and Horseshoe Vetch on the lower slopes of Mill Hill, Old Shoreham. ...
British Marine Life S...
glaucus25 Offline Send Email
Aug 25, 2005
12:31 am

Hello, Addenda At the risk of being embarrassed with failing to identify a common plant because it is in an incongruous location, I still cannot think what it...
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glaucus25 Offline Send Email
Aug 25, 2005
1:17 am

Autumn gentian can be white - that's probably what it was. Tina ... From: UKBotany@yahoogroups.com [mailto:UKBotany@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of British...
Tina Teearu
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Aug 25, 2005
10:08 am

Hello Thanks for the reply Tina. Looking for white Autumn Gentian now! I knew I was tired, but I forgot to put in the link to the photograph: ...
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glaucus25 Offline Send Email
Aug 25, 2005
10:41 am

Hi Andy No it isn't Autumn Gentian, it is a labiate, I suspect a late flowering, hard growing (almost de rigeur on bare chalk slopes), white Ground Ivy. I...
John Peacock
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Aug 25, 2005
11:13 am

Hard to be sure, but it doesn't look much like Ground Ivy to me - the leaves look too hoary and the habit just doesn't look quite right. My money would go on...
Martin Rand
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Aug 25, 2005
4:42 pm

... Can't agree with that one - Nepeta and Glechoma alike have obviously toothed leaves and conspicuous petioles. My money would be on Ajuga reptans (Bugle),...
philophyte Offline Send Email Aug 25, 2005
8:56 pm

You're right to challenge me on the Nepeta. But you're wrong about the Ajuga. Ajugas have a very short upper lip to the corolla. - Martin...
Martin Rand
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Aug 27, 2005
5:17 am

Thanks John I think you are right. It was on the top of my list, but I appreciate confirmation. I double-checked the leaves texture from other photographs ...
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glaucus25 Offline Send Email
Aug 25, 2005
11:24 am

Hello Martin, Thanks for the alternative suggestion. Notes: Ground Ivy occurs and is prevalent on the chalk downs lower slopes of Mill Hill and is prevalent...
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glaucus25 Offline Send Email
Aug 25, 2005
8:12 pm

Hello, The file has been uploaded now http://www.glaucus.org.uk/Flora385.htm The sepals seem to indicate Ground Ivy. It is just the colour of the flowers and...
glaucus25 Offline Send Email Aug 25, 2005
8:50 pm

You're all wrong, this is Stachys annua, not a native plant but one which occurs casually from time to time. There was one last year on a chalk slope where...
Rodney Burton
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Aug 26, 2005
9:56 pm

Rodney, having blown my credibility with the Nepeta suggestion, I'm still going to be rash enough to take you up on this one. Surely Stachys annua has narrowly...
Martin Rand
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Aug 27, 2005
5:12 am

Martin, I'm still holding out for Stachys annua. The plant is extremely variable, flowers white (or sometimes yellow), leaves narrowly elliptical (or...
Rodney Burton
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Aug 29, 2005
8:42 pm

Rodney, Your knowledge of Stachys annua is greater than mine and I think I should defer to you on flower colour, leaf shape and so on. I'm still having trouble...
Martin Rand
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Aug 31, 2005
9:19 am

Martin, You've really shaken me! Has Andy sent us two different sets of pictures? I'm sure the right-hand picture at the address below wasn't among the ones I...
Rodney Burton
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Aug 31, 2005
8:33 pm

Stachys annua seems to be turning up quite a lot in the last couple of years - warmer summers perhaps? Eric Clement had no post 1970 records for it in Surrey...
clarelcoleman Offline Send Email Aug 27, 2005
11:31 am

Hello, The file has been uploaded now http://www.glaucus.org.uk/Flora385.htm The sepals seem to indicate Ground Ivy. It is just the colour of the flowers and...
glaucus25 Offline Send Email Aug 25, 2005
10:32 pm

Hi. How about Calaminta nepeta? Your plant is too wooly / hairy for Glechoma hederacea and the flowers seem too large for Nepeta cataria. cheers Eva Ekeblad...
Eva Ekeblad
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Aug 26, 2005
7:47 am

Hi Looks like a stunted Echium vulgare to me. Andy...
Andy Shaw
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Aug 26, 2005
11:37 am

Hello, As the weekend approaches, I am inclined to think it is a blind spot on my part and it is: Clinopodium vulgare L. (wild basil) ...
glaucus25 Offline Send Email Aug 26, 2005
4:55 pm

I think this is the best suggestion yet. As far as I can see it has the characteristic calyx shape of Clinopodium (=Calamintha) - two long teeth in one lip at...
Martin Rand
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Aug 27, 2005
5:37 am

Hello, This is typical of the ID problems with close species. Wild Basil (must be favourite?) is in the same family (or quite close?) as the Catmints so the ID...
glaucus25 Offline Send Email Aug 27, 2005
9:42 am

Forget that... it was a BAADDD suggestion. I don't know what I was thinking of. Nepeta cataria has a much shorter corolla tube than that. - Martin ... slopes...
Martin Rand
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Aug 27, 2005
4:56 am

Hello, This all assumes I have correctly identified Wild Basil on the first occasion: http://www.glaucus.org.uk/Basil146.jpg Mill Hill 2005 ...
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glaucus25 Offline Send Email
Aug 27, 2005
10:26 am

Hello, Has anybody got a photograph of Stachys annua, Annual Yellow-woundwort, please? It looks a bit like a Stachys in my book which does not have this...
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glaucus25 Offline Send Email
Aug 27, 2005
2:40 pm

Hello, The last message was sent before editing (a mistake really). Stachys annua, Annual Yellow-woundwort ...
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glaucus25 Offline Send Email
Aug 27, 2005
2:43 pm

Hello, This one was not expected anything other than straightforward! The plant: http://www.glaucus.org.uk/Flora385.htm The plants was noticed by chance, and I...
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glaucus25 Offline Send Email
Aug 30, 2005
12:05 am

Hello Martin, I am glad you revived this mystery plant. I went looking for it yesterday, but I could not find the particular plant. Calyces on the same plant...
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glaucus25 Offline Send Email
Aug 31, 2005
9:47 am

Hello, Thanks for the replies. I only took one picture, the very first one on: http://www.glaucus.org.uk/Flora385.htm The two subsequent pictures are simply...
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glaucus25 Offline Send Email
Aug 31, 2005
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