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Re: Willowherb

Stem squareness isn't even a feature in the Stace key and yes it's nothing like
as clear cut as say the square-stemmed St John's Wort.

In case it helps I have put a blow-up of my stem picture at
http://www.floralimages.co.uk/pepilotetra1.htm in the John Crellin photo folder
here.

I was probably using the older Rose book at the time but can stil believe my ID
from the Stace multi-access key - apart from seeds bit. (And according to that
key club-shaped stigma and adpressed hairs clinches it.)

BUT who was saying only recently that Willowherbs are mostly hybrids ? - might
have been on this forum.

Has anyone else read the introduction to Sell and Murrell on species variation ?

John

--- In UKBotany@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Luke" <Phil@...> wrote:
>
> I have had a go at Gill's Ryenats Willowherb key and worked out one to be E.
> tetragonum: stem and leaves rather downy and soft to the touch; stem red;
> leaves 50 X 10mm, greyish-green, slightly toothed and sessile; seed pods
> 80 - 90mm long on 20mm stalks; petals pink and cleft c.1/4 of length; stigma
> club-shaped; habitat - dry waste ground. However, I have 2 problems, a) the
> square-stalked epithet - the stalk just has raised lines running down from
> the lower leaves and, b) hairs on stem not apparently appressed. Looks very
> like John Crellin's image in British Wild Flowers, but looking a 'greyer'
> green. Have I got it right or not - any ideas?
>
> Phil
>





Mon Jul 6, 2009 8:43 pm

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I have had a go at Gill's Ryenats Willowherb key and worked out one to be E. tetragonum: stem and leaves rather downy and soft to the touch; stem red; leaves...
Phil Luke
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Jul 6, 2009
7:55 pm

I'd agree that the "squareness" isn't very helpful - that is why I don't use it (or number of lines on the stem! From the habitat I'd say it almost has to be...
ryenats
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Jul 6, 2009
8:27 pm

Stem squareness isn't even a feature in the Stace key and yes it's nothing like as clear cut as say the square-stemmed St John's Wort. In case it helps I have...
John Crellin
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Jul 6, 2009
8:43 pm

Thanks for response. I'm pretty sure it's tetragonum on the basis that the flowers on all of the 3 plants I have looked at are 'not opening wide and flat' and...
Phil Luke
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Jul 7, 2009
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The fact that you say it is "rather downy and soft to the touch", greyish-green, and looking at the detailed pics I suspect you have a hybrid with some E....
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Jul 9, 2009
12:29 pm

Thanks Gill. The softness is rather akin to Holcus mollis; it did go through my mind that it could be a hybrid re. an earlier comment by John Crellin that...
Phil Luke
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